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Reply #30 posted 06/27/17 7:08am

BoraBora

Militant said:

People like Eye Records are several steps removed from that, so they don't care. It's not affecting their personal relationships or friendships. And let me be clear, if you've ever had a mail out from a company like Eye, you know they are selling thousands of copies at $50+ a pop. Do the math.


True.


But let me say that I have to give thanks to Eye Records simply because I finally listened (and can listen when I want) to the complete Flesh Sessions.

If it was for the "elected inner circle" we never had access to something so beautiful.



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Reply #31 posted 06/27/17 7:25am

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BoraBora said:


True.


But let me say that I have to give thanks to Eye Records simply because I finally listened (and can listen when I want) to the complete Flesh Sessions.

If it was for the "elected inner circle" we never had access to something so beautiful.



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Yes, but they got this from someone. If that someone had put the songs up online, you could thank that person and not thank a 'company' profiting.

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That's the point. Support people sharing bootlegs, don't support people proffiting from bootlegs when there's no need other than greed.

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[Edited 6/27/17 7:28am]

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Reply #32 posted 06/27/17 7:27am

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tbokris said:

BoraBora said:


True.


But let me say that I have to give thanks to Eye Records simply because I finally listened (and can listen when I want) to the complete Flesh Sessions.

If it was for the "elected inner circle" we never had access to something so beautiful.



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Yes, but they got this from someone. If that someone had put the songs up online, you could thank that person and not thank a 'company' profiting.

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That's the point. Support people sharing bootlegs, don't support people proffiting from bootlegs when there's no need other than greed.

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[Edited 6/27/17 7:26am]

RIGHT ON!!!

"I like to watch."
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Reply #33 posted 06/27/17 7:29am

BoraBora

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Yes, but they got this from someone. If that someone had put the songs up online, you could thank that person and not thank a 'company' profiting.

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That's the point. Support people sharing bootlegs, don't support people proffiting from bootlegs when there's no need other than greed.

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[Edited 6/27/17 7:26am]



Absolutely yes.

But if that "someone" didn't, my thanks goes to Eye, even if they do it for greed and not for generosity.



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Reply #34 posted 06/27/17 7:39am

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Do fans of any other artist operate the way fans of Prince's do with regard to boots / unreleased music?

"I like to watch."
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Reply #35 posted 06/27/17 7:41am

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sulls said:

Do fans of any other artist operate the way fans of Prince's do with regard to boots / unreleased music?


I would say that they almost certainly do.

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Reply #36 posted 06/27/17 7:41am

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sulls said:

Thankfully, I don't know much about 'rare' stuff out there. I'd settle for better/best quality versions of already circulating stuff like ATWIAD (bass), Take Me With U extended, Euphoria Highway, etc...

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Elite collectors often hoard those pristine recordings, while selling tagged and diluted material to labels.

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Reply #37 posted 06/27/17 7:46am

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sulls said:

I get it. The bottom-feeders should just shut up about it. I can't figure out why you would want to come down and walk among the unclean. I realize I'm being a total dick here, but I am frustrated as hell with all this cloak and dagger stuff. I mean, is it REALLY necessary to publicly post that you have "Wally" and state you have rarer stuff than "Wally"? All that does is stir the shit.

[Edited 6/27/17 6:19am]

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Sigh... Look, these people are doing you a huge favor: they're informing you that legendary unheard track X does actually exist and is circulating amongst a select few. And that there is even more stuff doing the rounds, sometimes tracks not even cataloged anywhere.

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That YOU get jealous of that, is YOUR problem.

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Reply #38 posted 06/27/17 7:48am

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BartVanHemelen said:

sulls said:

I get it. The bottom-feeders should just shut up about it. I can't figure out why you would want to come down and walk among the unclean. I realize I'm being a total dick here, but I am frustrated as hell with all this cloak and dagger stuff. I mean, is it REALLY necessary to publicly post that you have "Wally" and state you have rarer stuff than "Wally"? All that does is stir the shit.

[Edited 6/27/17 6:19am]

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Sigh... Look, these people are doing you a huge favor: they're informing you that legendary unheard track X does actually exist and is circulating amongst a select few. And that there is even more stuff doing the rounds, sometimes tracks not even cataloged anywhere.

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That YOU get jealous of that, is YOUR problem.

I guess.

"I like to watch."
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Reply #39 posted 06/27/17 7:51am

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sulls said:

Do fans of any other artist operate the way fans of Prince's do with regard to boots / unreleased music?

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Depends on the artist. Some years ago a bunch of NIN fans collected an amount of money and paid that to a musician who'd said in interviews that he'd worked on unreleased remixes for a NIN track back in the early 1990s and that he still had it on DAT. The money convinced him to liberate said tracks. The result: http://www.nin.wiki/Recoiled (check the "Uncoiled" section at the bottom).

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But Reznor has always been cool about boots etc. and has even provided sources (e.g. GBs of raw footage from three concerts). They've even had press releases that linked to fan captures of gigs etc.

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Reply #40 posted 06/27/17 8:00am

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BartVanHemelen said:

sulls said:

I get it. The bottom-feeders should just shut up about it. I can't figure out why you would want to come down and walk among the unclean. I realize I'm being a total dick here, but I am frustrated as hell with all this cloak and dagger stuff. I mean, is it REALLY necessary to publicly post that you have "Wally" and state you have rarer stuff than "Wally"? All that does is stir the shit.

[Edited 6/27/17 6:19am]

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Sigh... Look, these people are doing you a huge favor: they're informing you that legendary unheard track X does actually exist and is circulating amongst a select few. And that there is even more stuff doing the rounds, sometimes tracks not even cataloged anywhere.

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That YOU get jealous of that, is YOUR problem.

How are they doing anyone a favour if we aren't ever going to hear them? Even if it I did classify it as a favour, it's nowhere near a huge one. I'm not jealous, it's good for those guys, I just don't see how the community at large is helped by this information.

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Reply #41 posted 06/27/17 8:00am

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BartVanHemelen said:

sulls said:

Do fans of any other artist operate the way fans of Prince's do with regard to boots / unreleased music?

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Depends on the artist. Some years ago a bunch of NIN fans collected an amount of money and paid that to a musician who'd said in interviews that he'd worked on unreleased remixes for a NIN track back in the early 1990s and that he still had it on DAT. The money convinced him to liberate said tracks. The result: http://www.nin.wiki/Recoiled (check the "Uncoiled" section at the bottom).

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But Reznor has always been cool about boots etc. and has even provided sources (e.g. GBs of raw footage from three concerts). They've even had press releases that linked to fan captures of gigs etc.

That's cool. Thanks for your comments and info, Bart.

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Reply #42 posted 06/27/17 8:20am

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sulls said:

I get it. The bottom-feeders should just shut up about it. I can't figure out why you would want to come down and walk among the unclean. I realize I'm being a total dick here, but I am frustrated as hell with all this cloak and dagger stuff. I mean, is it REALLY necessary to publicly post that you have "Wally" and state you have rarer stuff than "Wally"? All that does is stir the shit.

[Edited 6/27/17 6:19am]




There's definitely people who would rather that we share info, than not. Folks like BorisFishpaw, T, BigChick, Neversin, Revolution81, Mindbells9 and others have shared tons and tons of info about uncirculating stuff over the years.

I get not everyone feels that way, and it's different without Prince here. "Wally" has such hype around it thanks to the backstory of it, that it's a bit different, I guess. But there are still people that want to learn.

One of the main problems is misinformation. It's laughable how much misinformation there is.

If you search through the org archives for information about that song, it's absolutely ridiculous, and you can see how chronologically, speculation gets repeated and taken as truth. Some people even stated that they thought the song was probably a myth, or it became a different song that we probably already knew. And loads of other nonsense.

Even when the clip leaked, people started just plain making stuff up. More than one person said "oh, it's just the same song as Billy's Sunglasses" - no it's not. It has nothing in common with that except for the the reference to sunglasses. Musically the two songs have ZERO in common. Neither lyrically, other than that line.

I hate misinformation, and I will correct it when I see it.

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Reply #43 posted 06/27/17 8:31am

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By the way, if the Estate start fucking with people, you WILL see shit leak. See the recent Jill Jones leaks.

Tupac was as prolific as Prince in terms of the amount of material he would record. Lots of people were sitting on material because they were at odds with the Estate after he passed. Musicians and producers sold songs and footage to fans, actually. Some of them deliberately didn't hand stuff over because they didn't want to see it get remixed and turned to shit. Some songs built up huge legendary status just like "Wally" - there's a track Tupac wrote for the entry of the Mike Tyson match that he attended just before his murder, called "Road To Glory" that for years only existed as a shitty PA recording from the fight. Eventually, it leaked. That track, for Tupac fans, was probably the "Wally" equivalent in terms of status. Same situation applied back then, possibly even worse because you used to see Tupac bootleg CDs at every market and mom and pop store in major cities and sharing music online wasn't as common back them (I'm talking the years immediately after his death, so the late 90s and early 00s). There's about a million different layers of politics to it and getting mad about it doesn't solve anything. There's plenty of stuff other traders have that I haven't heard. And vice versa. That's just how it goes.

If folks want to harass someone about boots, go and harass Questlove. He played like 10 unreleased songs at the fucking First Avenue club night lol


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Reply #44 posted 06/27/17 8:35am

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maceoparker007 said:

I reckon Ian Boxhill should have remastered Purple Rain.....his release of Deliverance from a quality perspective was impressive.

Well Josh and Prince did that...so

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #45 posted 06/27/17 8:36am

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Militant said:

sulls said:

I get it. The bottom-feeders should just shut up about it. I can't figure out why you would want to come down and walk among the unclean. I realize I'm being a total dick here, but I am frustrated as hell with all this cloak and dagger stuff. I mean, is it REALLY necessary to publicly post that you have "Wally" and state you have rarer stuff than "Wally"? All that does is stir the shit.

[Edited 6/27/17 6:19am]




There's definitely people who would rather that we share info, than not. Folks like BorisFishpaw, T, BigChick, Neversin, Revolution81, Mindbells9 and others have shared tons and tons of info about uncirculating stuff over the years.

I get not everyone feels that way, and it's different without Prince here. "Wally" has such hype around it thanks to the backstory of it, that it's a bit different, I guess. But there are still people that want to learn.

One of the main problems is misinformation. It's laughable how much misinformation there is.

If you search through the org archives for information about that song, it's absolutely ridiculous, and you can see how chronologically, speculation gets repeated and taken as truth. Some people even stated that they thought the song was probably a myth, or it became a different song that we probably already knew. And loads of other nonsense.

Even when the clip leaked, people started just plain making stuff up. More than one person said "oh, it's just the same song as Billy's Sunglasses" - no it's not. It has nothing in common with that except for the the reference to sunglasses. Musically the two songs have ZERO in common. Neither lyrically, other than that line.

I hate misinformation, and I will correct it when I see it.

Point taken. To be honest, I don't think you're a jerk or anything. This whole boot-thing has me extremely frustrated and pissed off. But like Bart said, that's on me.

"I like to watch."
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Reply #46 posted 06/27/17 8:50am

BoraBora



Just talkin' for me, but it is simple.....

I love P for the delight his music give to my ears and heart.

Is it really "Knowledge" that essential, when ears and heart can't be delighted?!?!!?

I knew titles and descriptions of the Flesh tracks since mid 90s but I finally can "feel" them just two months ago.

That was important. That was feeling P again.

Just my opinion.



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Reply #47 posted 06/27/17 10:17am

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BoraBora said:



Just talkin' for me, but it is simple.....

I love P for the delight his music give to my ears and heart.

Is it really "Knowledge" that essential, when ears and heart can't be delighted?!?!!?

I knew titles and descriptions of the Flesh tracks since mid 90s but I finally can "feel" them just two months ago.

That was important. That was feeling P again.

Just my opinion.





If everyone felt like that, we wouldn't have PrinceVault, or a good chunk of Per Nilsen's research, or Duane's upcoming book.....

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Reply #48 posted 06/27/17 10:59am

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EddieC said:

djThunderfunk said:


I understand that it sucks when you share for love and someone else turns that into a profit. But this is inevitable as long as some people are willing to spend money on a pressed disc of bootleg material that they could get digital copies of for free.

What I don't understand is why those that have the material don't just release intentionally inferior material, let the bootleggers print it up, then release the pristine copies for free right as the pressed discs are being released. Do this a few times and the labels will get a reputation for selling copies that are inferior to the free copies and even fewer people would be willing to buy their product.

Just an idea.

Or another idea--just send everything to me. Then I'll decide what to do. lol

No - send it to ME lol

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Reply #49 posted 06/27/17 11:21am

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sulls said:

EddieC said:

Or another idea--just send everything to me. Then I'll decide what to do. lol

No - send it to ME lol

I don't care whoever they send it to, so long as that person then sends it to me. biggrin

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Reply #50 posted 06/27/17 11:24am

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TheEnglishGent said:

sulls said:

No - send it to ME lol

I don't care whoever they send it to, so long as that person then sends it to me. biggrin

I promise not to share with or sell to that ol' Slugworth lol

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Reply #51 posted 06/27/17 5:51pm

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Question to the elitists......DO U have better quality of the tracks released on 2nd disc of the PR remaster???????????????

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Reply #52 posted 06/27/17 7:55pm

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80's Ampex stock tape doesn't age well

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Reply #53 posted 06/27/17 7:58pm

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woul
If you search through the org archives for information about that song, it's absolutely ridiculous, and you can see how chronologically, speculation gets repeated and taken as truth. Some people even stated that they thought the song was probably a myth, or it became a different song that we probably already knew. And loads of other nonsense.

Even when the clip leaked, people started just plain making stuff up. More than one person said "oh, it's just the same song as Billy's Sunglasses" - no it's not. It has nothing in common with that except for the the reference to sunglasses. Musically the two songs have ZERO in common. Neither lyrically, other than that line.

I hate misinformation, and I will correct it when I see it.

It sounds like you have Wally...that Wally actually exists.

I now offer whatever I have to those that are serious fans. I feel my job is to share this amazing gift especially now that he is gone. I ask that the bootleggers do it b/c they would have the means and motivation to do so. What do I care if they make money ...i would much rather give Prince's estate the money..mainly to preserve his legacy and keep Paisley Park afloat. However, if the estate can not get their stuff together, I do not see why anyone should object...I have ).

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Reply #54 posted 06/28/17 1:08am

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JoeyCococo said:

woul
If you search through the org archives for information about that song, it's absolutely ridiculous, and you can see how chronologically, speculation gets repeated and taken as truth. Some people even stated that they thought the song was probably a myth, or it became a different song that we probably already knew. And loads of other nonsense.

Even when the clip leaked, people started just plain making stuff up. More than one person said "oh, it's just the same song as Billy's Sunglasses" - no it's not. It has nothing in common with that except for the the reference to sunglasses. Musically the two songs have ZERO in common. Neither lyrically, other than that line.

I hate misinformation, and I will correct it when I see it.

It sounds like you have Wally...that Wally actually exists.

I now offer whatever I have to those that are serious fans. I feel my job is to share this amazing gift especially now that he is gone. I ask that the bootleggers do it b/c they would have the means and motivation to do so. What do I care if they make money ...i would much rather give Prince's estate the money..mainly to preserve his legacy and keep Paisley Park afloat. However, if the estate can not get their stuff together, I do not see why anyone should object...I have ).

Yes Wally exists and is real, at least, the re-recorded version is. I don't have it but the 'elites' do. There was a small snippet released a few months ago though.

RIP sad
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Reply #55 posted 06/28/17 9:39am

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JoeyCococo said:


woul
If you search through the org archives for information about that song, it's absolutely ridiculous, and you can see how chronologically, speculation gets repeated and taken as truth. Some people even stated that they thought the song was probably a myth, or it became a different song that we probably already knew. And loads of other nonsense.



Even when the clip leaked, people started just plain making stuff up. More than one person said "oh, it's just the same song as Billy's Sunglasses" - no it's not. It has nothing in common with that except for the the reference to sunglasses. Musically the two songs have ZERO in common. Neither lyrically, other than that line.

I hate misinformation, and I will correct it when I see it.




It sounds like you have Wally...that Wally actually exists.

I now offer whatever I have to those that are serious fans. I feel my job is to share this amazing gift especially now that he is gone. I ask that the bootleggers do it b/c they would have the means and motivation to do so. What do I care if they make money ...i would much rather give Prince's estate the money..mainly to preserve his legacy and keep Paisley Park afloat. However, if the estate can not get their stuff together, I do not see why anyone should object...I have ).






I agree, Joey. The only thing I charge for sharing is a smile. 😊
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Reply #56 posted 06/28/17 12:36pm

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tmcjb said:

SteveWask said:

Quite frankly its not that simple! You want the music then shut down lables like Eye records & Sabotoge! The reason collectors dont put there stuff out is there sick of lables running with it and selling it! When they didnt obtain it on there own in the first place!

I'm sorry, I don't buy this...I've been involved in other trading circles, mostly those without bootleg collections/companies. Most of these people still hoard the tracks, they don't share freely, only trade, even if they could leak them without fear of repercussion. Plus, in this day and age where song leaks can easily be shared in public places (hell, even the Eye/Sabotage bootlegs can be somewhat easily found with a simple Google search), it's not that difficult to post something somewhere and say, "hey, download this here! Don't encourage the bootleggers!"

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After reading the whole thread, this is still the most salient point. Leaks can be shared anonymously.

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I reasonably ask elite traders to liberate their treasures, anonymously, for the simple reason of sharing Prince's unique talent with all the rest of us - his fans.

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Elite traders have the opportunity now, with the state of the estate, to play a unique role in deepening the legacy of Prince. Music is life - elite traders have an opportunity to enhance the lives of fellow fans immeasurably.

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Eternal thanks to all the people who have leaked the things we common collectors have access to. You are the actual life blood of Prince's serious fandom, and you have allowed me to see a picture of Prince far, far deeper than his commercial releases portrayed.

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Elite traders.. won't you help continue this? And take it to a whole other level by sharing at least some of the treasures you have?

"..free to change your mind"
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Reply #57 posted 06/28/17 2:22pm

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thx185 said:

tmcjb said:

I'm sorry, I don't buy this...I've been involved in other trading circles, mostly those without bootleg collections/companies. Most of these people still hoard the tracks, they don't share freely, only trade, even if they could leak them without fear of repercussion. Plus, in this day and age where song leaks can easily be shared in public places (hell, even the Eye/Sabotage bootlegs can be somewhat easily found with a simple Google search), it's not that difficult to post something somewhere and say, "hey, download this here! Don't encourage the bootleggers!"

[Edited 6/26/17 16:23pm]

After reading the whole thread, this is still the most salient point. Leaks can be shared anonymously.

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I reasonably ask elite traders to liberate their treasures, anonymously, for the simple reason of sharing Prince's unique talent with all the rest of us - his fans.

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Elite traders have the opportunity now, with the state of the estate, to play a unique role in deepening the legacy of Prince. Music is life - elite traders have an opportunity to enhance the lives of fellow fans immeasurably.

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Eternal thanks to all the people who have leaked the things we common collectors have access to. You are the actual life blood of Prince's serious fandom, and you have allowed me to see a picture of Prince far, far deeper than his commercial releases portrayed.

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Elite traders.. won't you help continue this? And take it to a whole other level by sharing at least some of the treasures you have?

As much as I agree with you, your comments are falling on deaf ears. It'll be business as usual until Eye or Sab get some goodies and release a boot. Then it will be all 'f**k Eye' and 'f**k Sab'.

[Edited 6/28/17 14:23pm]

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Reply #58 posted 06/28/17 4:24pm

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I'd like to see more unreleased stuff all over the place 4 free....thanks 2 those who shared this stuff by the past and in the future maybe but I can't see the point why collectors who paid a lot of dollars to get this rare stuff would share it 4 free and the pleasure of all...4 a collector it is a normal reflex 2 keep this rare stuff 4 his private pleasure ?

I think collectors should share all of the rare shit with everyone and stop keeping it amongst the "elite fans". What makes you guys so special anyway?

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Reply #59 posted 06/29/17 1:29pm

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sulls said:

Do fans of any other artist operate the way fans of Prince's do with regard to boots / unreleased music?


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