BartVanHemelen said:

The brickwalling is disappointing, but not surprising.

intha916 said:

This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.

co-sign this.

I bought 2017 LP today and it sounds really great... WB should release this as 5 or 6 LP boxset as the deluxe on vinyl. Maybe I should change the accroym CD to something else as in.......

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ya, it's not that bad, i'm not picky though, the earlier versions were still some of the all time great albums

delirious said:

KingSausage said:

rdhull said:

KingSausage said:

rdhull said:

But a certain lot of y'all have only bitched for years no matter what it was.

I can think of only a small number of people who've done nothing but bitch on here for years. Hell, I've praised AOA and started threads about how much I like Rave. Even Bart started a thread about some new soundboard leaks and had positive things to say about one of the shows. Sure, this site can be more negative and nasty than other discussion sites. But that's partially a reaction to people (not you) who only want to hear positive things about Prince and have some disturbing fan worship shit going on.

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

TheAStarr said:

HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im soryy to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. [Edited 7/1/17 14:42pm]

who's on first?

Do u have turntable or do u lie? with an iPod?

TheAStarr said:

HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie. [Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]

Kobe said:

rdhull said:

KingSausage said:

djThunderfunk said:

rdhull said:

jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.

Too bad they didn't use Bill Inglot, his mastering work is almost always superb . I haven't bought this yet, and not I'm not sure I want to

no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.

BartVanHemelen said:

TheAStarr said:

PeteSilas said:

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.

One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.

PeteSilas said:

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.

I'm not an obsessed audiophile, but good sound draws me into the music I love, and heightens my appreciation of the work

good for you, there was a great rock critic who died young who praised the merits of the early rock music heard on crappy speakers and recorded with primitive equipement, quality comes through, on the other hand, nothing can polish a turd.

his name was lester bangs and he mentioned the merits of crappy equipement and pointed to the music of the time, 70's, early 80's as heartless and overproduced. I actually like a lot of 70's music and the groups he mentioned but i could kinda see his points. He said something like how arrogant led zeppelin were and how shitty they played as if the audience didn't deserve to even see them, he also said Plant wasn't as strong a figure as the earlier rock icons. It was very interesting even if i didn't agree with every point, after all, led zeppelin was fucking incredible and so was a lot of the music in that decade.

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PeteSilas said:

jjhunsecker said:

I read a recent review of this set where the author asks has any major artist shown more disrespect to his past work than Prince?

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So true. So sad.

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Maybe someone else has said it (I've been away for a while) - if P had released this set circa 1998-99, he probably would've had Larry Graham remaster it.

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It should be a Geico commercial -- "When you're remastering a classic album, you hire an expert mastering engineer. It's what you do."

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Prince had a non-mastering engineer do it (nothing against Welton, can't blame him for giving it a shot). But what does that really say? Then again, this is the same guy who foisted a bunch of subpar material upon the public in order to fulfill a contract. And sycophantic "fams" actually BOUGHT INTO the anti-Warner Bros. rhetoric. The whole thing beggars belief.

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Back in the mid-'90s when reviewing one or another of those deliberately subpar albums, Rolling Stone called P's career (at the time) a "spectacular slow motion trainwreck."

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Too bad he didn't care enough about his most popular album to hire someone to remaster it who's actual job it is to master music.

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

good for you, there was a great rock critic who died young who praised the merits of the early rock music heard on crappy speakers and recorded with primitive equipement, quality comes through, on the other hand, nothing can polish a turd.

his name was lester bangs and he mentioned the merits of crappy equipement and pointed to the music of the time, 70's, early 80's as heartless and overproduced. I actually like a lot of 70's music and the groups he mentioned but i could kinda see his points. He said something like how arrogant led zeppelin were and how shitty they played as if the audience didn't deserve to even see them, he also said Plant wasn't as strong a figure as the earlier rock icons. It was very interesting even if i didn't agree with every point, after all, led zeppelin was fucking incredible and so was a lot of the music in that decade.

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I pretty much agree with you... the music itself is what matters most. But when I upgraded my speakers a few years back (good but inexpensive), I realized how much of the music I had been missing... there were things I literally had never heard before or noticed in recordings I thought I knew well. One thing that struck me listening to well mastered recordings even from the 1950s- like Elvis or Chuck Berry or Little Richard or Jerry Lee Lewis was how much BASS was actually on these records that crappy speakers or the radio never allowed you to hear

sure, when i listened to the cd versions, or rather the mp3 version of Parade, i loved that i could hear the bass but the album was great even without that.