djThunderfunk said:

thx185 said:

It might just be your tape player(s) that are playing it faster. I think it's pretty common to find some variation in playback speeds.

I have 1999 on vinyl, cass, CD & 180gm vinyl. I did an A/B(/C/D) test on a couple songs and noticed no speed differences. Wondering if Pete experienced a song sped up or the whole album?

Interestingly, being a double album, it would not be unusual for cassettes of this album to drag, and play slow, on some players. I would think if the deck was playing too fast it would be noticed on all albums, not just 1999.

someone should know, i remember a thread about it years ago, but i can't find it. I still have my cassettes too and they played the same whether on stereo or on walkman, i'm pretty sure the cassette was sped up slightly to fit on one tape, the album was a double one so there was no need. Anyway, not that important, just bringing it up to mention how irate we would have been at the time. Or even about the demo quality on his 2 and 3 albums, we'd tear it apart.

PeteSilas said:

djThunderfunk said:

I have 1999 on vinyl, cass, CD & 180gm vinyl. I did an A/B(/C/D) test on a couple songs and noticed no speed differences. Wondering if Pete experienced a song sped up or the whole album?

Interestingly, being a double album, it would not be unusual for cassettes of this album to drag, and play slow, on some players. I would think if the deck was playing too fast it would be noticed on all albums, not just 1999.

someone should know, i remember a thread about it years ago, but i can't find it. I still have my cassettes too and they played the same whether on stereo or on walkman, i'm pretty sure the cassette was sped up slightly to fit on one tape, the album was a double one so there was no need. [snip]

One more tangent thought - as a teen in the 80s sometimes my walkman & even car tape deck seemed to play things slower at times. Certain songs would sound slower than usual. It never occurred to me at the time, but looking back I wonder if changing battery strength in the walkman could cause that - and in the car, comparable electrical system variation. Sometimes it seemed like the louder I played it, the slower it went.

jtfolden said:

macaylasdad said:

so my question is this...if Prince oversaw the remastering of this and delivered it to WB...how didn't anyone know this?

Know what? That he delivered it? We did.... Prince tweeted about it, saying it was in their hands.

with the poor sound quality....

SchlomoThaHomo said:

KingSausage said:

I'm afraid we're gonna need your Prince card, sir. It's been nice knowing you. I have faith that Katy Perry and shitty iPhone earbuds will treat you well.

You ain't takin shit!! And fuck Katy Perry!

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.

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Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.

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Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...

honer said:

This is why remasters are bollocks, nothing wrong with the original in the first place and no frigger is happy when they do it!

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Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

PurpleMedley122 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

The quality of the tracks on that set were excellent despite tbe differing ages of the tracks, so someone knew what they were doing.

[Edited 6/27/17 11:28am]

Crystal Ball was mastered by Brian Gardener at Bernie Grudmann Mastering, in other words, a professional who knows what he's doing.

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CB was already brickwalled to hell before it reached the mastering stage.

BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.

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Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.

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Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...

That is very interesting indeed!

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

If this was the first round of The Apprentice, I doubt Prince nor WB would make it to round two!!

darkroman said:

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.

BartVanHemelen said:

darkroman said:

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.

Yes for sure!!

It's sad the partnership didn't end up being one of respect and collaboration - then everyone wins.

Oh well

BartVanHemelen said:

honer said:

This is why remasters are bollocks, nothing wrong with the original in the first place and no frigger is happy when they do it!

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Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

And I have heard a proper one, don't assume things

PurpleMedley122 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

The quality of the tracks on that set were excellent despite tbe differing ages of the tracks, so someone knew what they were doing.

[Edited 6/27/17 11:28am]

Crystal Ball was mastered by Brian Gardener at Bernie Grudmann Mastering, in other words, a professional who knows what he's doing.

That explains it, they should book him out for 6/12 months to complete the rest then!

honer said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

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Stop making stuff up. You obviously don't know what a remaster is.

I think that Prince had a impaired ear after all this time playing loud music on a daily basis. I am sure the mastering sounded fine to him. I liked the master because i heard some sounds i had never noticed before, but it does have lots of sonic flaws.

[Edited 6/28/17 13:06pm]

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

7salles said:

I this that Prince had a impaired ear after all this time playing loud music on a daily basis. I am sure the mastering sounded fine to him. I liked the master because i heard some sounds i had never noticed before, but it does have lots of sonic flaws.

that's what i wondered, it's actually just an occupational hazard in that business, hell, i probably incurred damage from just going to two of his concerts. Lots of folks in the business are deaf.

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

luvsexy4all said:

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

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How 'bout Googling?

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/review-princes-purple-rain-deluxe-edition-reissues-w489147

rs gave it five stars, i'm gonna check amazon now and see if they are as pissed as you guys are.

here's amazon, generally, it's well rated but it's hard to know how serious the fanship is on there:https://www.amazon.com/Purple-Rain-Deluxe-Expanded-1DVD/product-reviews/B0718ZCS6B/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_paging_btm_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=CXXZZT3TAXCD7YM2047H&pageNumber=2

BartVanHemelen said:

luvsexy4all said:

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

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How 'bout Googling?

Just tried to Google this and can't find any information.

Discogs mentions a 2013 FLAC release from Rhino... Is that it? Is that actually available anywhere?

BartVanHemelen said:

honer said:

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

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Stop making stuff up. You obviously don't know what a remaster is.

[Edited 6/29/17 11:11am]

This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.

BartVanHemelen said:

for my money, nothing was wrong with the first version of purple rain, cassette, vinyl, whatever. I bought the deluxe for the extras and they are worth it for the prince. edit (freudian slip, i meant Price, not Prince, but same difference).

[Edited 6/29/17 18:25pm]

see this thread:

http://prince.org/msg/3/444136

jdcxc said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.

You find any way to give WBR an excuse and have been kissing their ass for 25 years.

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I haven't, they've done plenty wrong.

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Put aside the enhanced PR, there is no excuse for the "vault" album to have the level of errors, weird choices, omissions and general shoddiness.

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Yes there is: for instance the sorry state the estate is in, or the apparent utter mess Prince's vault is in, etc. Prince had 20 years to collaborate with them to deliver a great package, and instead he sabotaged them after signing a deal in 2014 and delivered a rubbish remaster.

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Blaming this solely on one company is ridiculous: in the end there's only so much they can do. That said, they've not done themselves any favors here and missed a ton of opportunities.

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This is a multi-national corporation that will make millions off Prince and us forever. They allowed their disdain for Prince to creep into the completion of this project. Hopefully a lot of loud voices will embarrass them into a proper SOTT remaster. And if they don't will you still blame Prince?

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Without proper cooperation from the estate and without decent budgets to work with (and those are likely dependent on the success of PR Deluxe), I fear it will be disappointment all the way.

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But this thread is solely about disc one, and quite frankly Warners can only work with what Prince gave them.