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Reply #30 posted 06/07/17 10:19am

BartVanHemelen

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BoraBora said:

According to Princevault, "Into The Light" and "I Will" were recorded in February 1996, and we know C&D was released in July 1996.

I think this tracklist have to be of February/March 1996, not later.


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But that's odd, since the sessions in March and early April obviously were for C&D which he was planning as one of the two final albums he'd deliver to WBR on 26 April. Plus those songs are combined on C&D. He seems to have been rather focused on those "parting gifts"/"contractual obligations" back then, yet here we see three C&D tracks on an Emancipation tracklist...

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Reply #31 posted 06/07/17 10:27am

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djThunderfunk said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Late 1995, most likely, considering C&D was compiled in late January 1996. Earlier configurations of Eman were single discs from mid-1995 and later.


hmmm This is correct. Bart's got it narrowed down pretty close. Anyone else? cool


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Hmm, the timeline doesn't make complete sense, though. http://www.princevault.co...d_Disorder says:

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the album was worked on further and assembled in late January 1996 (at the same time The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale was compiled).

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Yet several/most of C&D's tracks were apparently recorded later.

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C&D: re-recorded in March/April

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DWD: April.

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RTW: re-recorded March/April.

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Zannalee: worked on in April.

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IRTIA: March.

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ITL: March.

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IW: March.

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HU: February/March.

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So perhaps all of those "new" recordings were re-recordings?

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Reply #32 posted 06/07/17 10:30am

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Thanks. I wonder what Gut Bucket sounds like?

it is not even on prince vault!

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Reply #33 posted 06/07/17 10:30am

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While y'all are fussin' over dates, did no one decide to publish Parke's caption on this? It's half the story.

Here it is:


I remember after Emancipation had its release party and had heard the ENTIRE album, Prince was walking to his apartment just down the hall ( in striped yellow and red pants ) and I hopped up from my desk, catching up with him as he was unlocking his door. Of course I couldn't say ... " hey Prince" so I made sure to approach loudly ( on carpeting ) and started to speak as I walked "...I just wanted to tell you ( now he's turned and I'm right up on him ) how awesome your new album is. I am proud to be part of it. "

He blinked for a second and said very low and quiet "Thank you. I'm happy too." Gave me a nod, and disappeared through the door.

I'm glad that raw motivation overrode the occasional "why would he care what I think" inside voice.

I've always been grateful for the opportunity and that I actually told him stuff like this.
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Reply #34 posted 06/07/17 10:31am

djThunderfunk

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BartVanHemelen said:

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Hmm, the timeline doesn't make complete sense, though. http://www.princevault.co...d_Disorder says:

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the album was worked on further and assembled in late January 1996 (at the same time The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale was compiled).

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Yet several/most of C&D's tracks were apparently recorded later.

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C&D: re-recorded in March/April

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DWD: April.

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RTW: re-recorded March/April.

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Zannalee: worked on in April.

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IRTIA: March.

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ITL: March.

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IW: March.

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HU: February/March.

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So perhaps all of those "new" recordings were re-recordings?


doh! Okay, now my head hurts. lol

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Reply #35 posted 06/07/17 10:33am

OnlyNDaUsa

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Gut Bucket may be an old blues song "gutbucket blues" Louis Armstrong did it


Oh more likely the James Brown song

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Reply #36 posted 06/07/17 10:45am

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2Freaky'stheshit, another lost trak.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #37 posted 06/07/17 11:03am

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I love seeing this written out in Prince's handwriting, with some similarities to how he wrote out the tracklist of Sign O' The Times on the album art.

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It's a small, simple thing visually, but it helps to tie Emancipation-era Prince to the same guy as SoTT-era Prince. For me, at the time of Emancipation, they seemed like 2 totally different people in terms of music quality & my perception as a fan. Seeing this helps bridge that mental gap.

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This is all part of my ongoing rehabilitation towards the post-WB years, and appreciating them more and more.

[Edited 6/8/17 12:21pm]

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Reply #38 posted 06/07/17 11:45am

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databank said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


Wow! Closing the album with a throwaway like Funky Design?! That could have been the worst closing track of all time.



It was already supposed to close Exodus (seconf config)



That would seem slightly more appropriate. The backwards writing has me thinking it was a hidden track.
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Reply #39 posted 06/07/17 11:52am

nelcp777

SchlomoThaHomo said:

databank said:

It was already supposed to close Exodus (seconf config)

That would seem slightly more appropriate. The backwards writing has me thinking it was a hidden track.

Nice logic on the backwards writing.

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Reply #40 posted 06/07/17 12:26pm

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I wonder what the status is of the songs that did end up on Emancipation. I mean, it's all about the masters, right? While he was under contract with WB, all recordings belonged to them. See also all the tracks now on Purple Rain Deluxe and the problems he had with WB for some of the tracks on the released Crystal Ball.

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Maybe the $100 million contract moved all recordings to Prince already, apart from the tracks he would give for those albums? In any case, there are a lot of tracks here, recorded at roughly the same time. Some ended up on WB albums, some on his first "emancipated" era album. When did his songs start being his? With that last contract with WB? With the end of the WB contract? Prince didn't care and simply used vault tracks as he saw fit?

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That's the stuff that my internal nerd is interested in, as it might have repercussions for future deluxe and vault releases.

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Reply #41 posted 06/07/17 12:32pm

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mediumdry said:

I wonder what the status is of the songs that did end up on Emancipation. I mean, it's all about the masters, right? While he was under contract with WB, all recordings belonged to them. See also all the tracks now on Purple Rain Deluxe and the problems he had with WB for some of the tracks on the released Crystal Ball.

.

Maybe the $100 million contract moved all recordings to Prince already, apart from the tracks he would give for those albums? In any case, there are a lot of tracks here, recorded at roughly the same time. Some ended up on WB albums, some on his first "emancipated" era album. When did his songs start being his? With that last contract with WB? With the end of the WB contract? Prince didn't care and simply used vault tracks as he saw fit?

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That's the stuff that my internal nerd is interested in, as it might have repercussions for future deluxe and vault releases.



that's a very interesting question indeed. hmmm

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Reply #42 posted 06/07/17 12:41pm

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mediumdry said:

I wonder what the status is of the songs that did end up on Emancipation. I mean, it's all about the masters, right? While he was under contract with WB, all recordings belonged to them. See also all the tracks now on Purple Rain Deluxe and the problems he had with WB for some of the tracks on the released Crystal Ball.

.

Maybe the $100 million contract moved all recordings to Prince already, apart from the tracks he would give for those albums?


Think about this. He was recording Emancipation while still under contract to WB, and issuing albums to WB. Emancipation was solely his record. So, all he had to do was not tell them about the songs, or possibly have a stipulation that since he is opting out of a contract renewal that anything from X point forward is his and WB has no claim over the ensuing work. (I would have done both.)

What $100M contract? The one he mentioned on Oprah? That wasn't a lump sum, that's tentative money based on preconditions. Prince had to sell a certain number of records in order to get a bigger advance on the next record, etc, or even get a bonus. The other problem is that as genius as massive as Prince was, his record often sold lower numbers. All this well before the days of Napster and the internet. Over time his records sold more and more of course. Numbers build up. Thriller is a big seller over the course of time, although a large portion of those sales happened 1982-1984. Prince might only sell 3,000,000 of ATWIAD when it comes out, but after 20 years, it might hit 8,000,000. He's not due a bonus 20 years after the fact, or a big advance on his next record (which, by that time he was away from WB anyway). All that has zip to do with the master recordings.

Prince got his existing released masters back in the 2014/2015 deal. WB might have real claim to the vault. They say they do. He was under contract, but there's no way even another $100M would release those back to him. It seems to possibly be trick for the stuff we're seeing here based on the gray area of the time frame.

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Reply #43 posted 06/07/17 12:47pm

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Wow such a different configuration! I love finding out stuff like, thanks for posting this.

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Reply #44 posted 06/07/17 12:52pm

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Come on then everyone, what would your one disc configuration of this be? lol

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Reply #45 posted 06/07/17 12:55pm

TrivialPursuit

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TheEnglishGent said:

Come on then everyone, what would your one disc configuration of this be? lol


I wish to fuck I could find it, but I once (with a former Orger) had whittled down Emancipation to a strong 1 or 2 disk set. I played it often and it was such a stronger set. Filled up the whole CD(s), and cut the fluff. I'm not sure how great Prince's original one disk version was, though. I think he was putting songs on there as he had them, and was trying to come up with something, but knew it could be better.

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Reply #46 posted 06/07/17 12:57pm

IstenSzek

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TheEnglishGent said:

Come on then everyone, what would your one disc configuration of this be? lol





no no no!




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Reply #47 posted 06/07/17 1:05pm

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IstenSzek said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Come on then everyone, what would your one disc configuration of this be? lol





no no no!




lol lol lol

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Reply #48 posted 06/07/17 1:14pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

mediumdry said:

I wonder what the status is of the songs that did end up on Emancipation. I mean, it's all about the masters, right? While he was under contract with WB, all recordings belonged to them. See also all the tracks now on Purple Rain Deluxe and the problems he had with WB for some of the tracks on the released Crystal Ball.

.

Maybe the $100 million contract moved all recordings to Prince already, apart from the tracks he would give for those albums?


Think about this. He was recording Emancipation while still under contract to WB, and issuing albums to WB. Emancipation was solely his record. So, all he had to do was not tell them about the songs, or possibly have a stipulation that since he is opting out of a contract renewal that anything from X point forward is his and WB has no claim over the ensuing work. (I would have done both.)

What $100M contract? The one he mentioned on Oprah? That wasn't a lump sum, that's tentative money based on preconditions. Prince had to sell a certain number of records in order to get a bigger advance on the next record, etc, or even get a bonus. The other problem is that as genius as massive as Prince was, his record often sold lower numbers. All this well before the days of Napster and the internet. Over time his records sold more and more of course. Numbers build up. Thriller is a big seller over the course of time, although a large portion of those sales happened 1982-1984. Prince might only sell 3,000,000 of ATWIAD when it comes out, but after 20 years, it might hit 8,000,000. He's not due a bonus 20 years after the fact, or a big advance on his next record (which, by that time he was away from WB anyway). All that has zip to do with the master recordings.

Prince got his existing released masters back in the 2014/2015 deal. WB might have real claim to the vault. They say they do. He was under contract, but there's no way even another $100M would release those back to him. It seems to possibly be trick for the stuff we're seeing here based on the gray area of the time frame.

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The $100M contract that Prince bragged about at first. It wasn't realistic, but that never mattered to P. smile

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As to him telling WB or not, this picture is as much proof as anything that he recorded the tracks during his WB contract. I'm hoping someone can tell us what the legal status is of those tracks as to ownership/copyrights. I'm sure as soon as he had Paisley Park Studios up and running, it was much easier for Prince to hide recordings from WB, as before they had to pay at least for all those Sunset Sound sessions, so that told them at least about some recordings.

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Since currently (if that Universal deal is actually off now) there is only the estate and WB with claims to the works, I wish that they could get together and work something out. That way the path is finally available to make plans to actually release all those deluxe versions and vault releases. As it is, we're just getting more courtroom drama for the next years.

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Reply #49 posted 06/07/17 2:11pm

mediumdry

TheEnglishGent said:

Come on then everyone, what would your one disc configuration of this be? lol

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Panda's notwithstanding, and in keeping with the 12 songs 1 hour vibe of Emancipation, here's my take. Works better for me, your mileage may vary. Had to work a bit to make the flow work well.

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1

Jam Of The Year

06:09

06:09

2

Courtin’ Time

02:47

08:56

3

White Mansion

04:47

13:43

4

Joint 2 Joint

07:51

21:34

5

In This Bed I Scream

05:40

27:14

6

Dreamin’ About You

03:53

31:07

7

My Computer

04:36

35:43

8

Emale

03:37

39:20

9

One Kiss At A Time

04:41

44:01

10

Let's Have A Baby

04:07

48:08

11

Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife

07:37

55:45

12

Emancipation

04:12

59:57

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Reply #50 posted 06/07/17 2:35pm

IstenSzek

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mediumdry said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Come on then everyone, what would your one disc configuration of this be? lol

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Panda's notwithstanding, and in keeping with the 12 songs 1 hour vibe of Emancipation, here's my take. Works better for me, your mileage may vary. Had to work a bit to make the flow work well.

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1

Jam Of The Year

06:09

06:09

2

Courtin’ Time

02:47

08:56

3

White Mansion

04:47

13:43

4

Joint 2 Joint

07:51

21:34

5

In This Bed I Scream

05:40

27:14

6

Dreamin’ About You

03:53

31:07

7

My Computer

04:36

35:43

8

Emale

03:37

39:20

9

One Kiss At A Time

04:41

44:01

10

Let's Have A Baby

04:07

48:08

11

Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife

07:37

55:45

12

Emancipation

04:12

59:57



oh, rest assured, i'm already tinkering with my own emancipation tracklist again as well lol

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Reply #51 posted 06/07/17 3:02pm

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mediumdry said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Come on then everyone, what would your one disc configuration of this be? lol

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Panda's notwithstanding, and in keeping with the 12 songs 1 hour vibe of Emancipation, here's my take. Works better for me, your mileage may vary. Had to work a bit to make the flow work well.

.

1

Jam Of The Year

06:09

06:09

2

Courtin’ Time

02:47

08:56

3

White Mansion

04:47

13:43

4

Joint 2 Joint

07:51

21:34

5

In This Bed I Scream

05:40

27:14

6

Dreamin’ About You

03:53

31:07

7

My Computer

04:36

35:43

8

Emale

03:37

39:20

9

One Kiss At A Time

04:41

44:01

10

Let's Have A Baby

04:07

48:08

11

Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife

07:37

55:45

12

Emancipation

04:12

59:57


I meant of the new list Parke posted. We've done the single disc of the real Emancipation thing at least 7 million times, so I was kinda taking the piss. wink

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Reply #52 posted 06/07/17 3:24pm

BanishedBrian

SchlomoThaHomo said:

databank said:

It was already supposed to close Exodus (seconf config)

That would seem slightly more appropriate. The backwards writing has me thinking it was a hidden track.


I had the same initial reaction when I read it - definitely a hidden track, as 1996 was still in the era where that was a common thing and Prince had never done it. That song would worked well with a few minutes of spacing after FLSM/W... sort of like Success on Diary of a Mad Band.

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Reply #53 posted 06/07/17 3:34pm

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thx185 said:

I love seeing this written out in Prince's handwriting, with some similarities to how her wrote out the tracklist of Sign O' The Times on the album art.


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It's a small, simple thing visually, but it helps to tie Emancipation-era Prince to the same guy as SoTT-era Prince. For me, at the time of Emancipation, they seemed like 2 totally different people in terms of music quality & my perception as a fan. Seeing this helps bridge that mental gap.


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This is all part of my ongoing rehabilitation towards the post-WB years, and appreciating them more and more.


This is a nice post. I've long rehabilitated the post-WB stuff myself but it didn't happen immediately and I know what you mean about it seeming like almost a different guy entirely until you see the handwriting.
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Reply #54 posted 06/07/17 3:36pm

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TheEnglishGent said:

Come on then everyone, what would your one disc configuration of this be? lol


Stop it now. lol

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Reply #55 posted 06/07/17 3:37pm

IstenSzek

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BanishedBrian said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

databank said: That would seem slightly more appropriate. The backwards writing has me thinking it was a hidden track.


I had the same initial reaction when I read it - definitely a hidden track, as 1996 was still in the era where that was a common thing and Prince had never done it. That song would worked well with a few minutes of spacing after FLSM/W... sort of like Success on Diary of a Mad Band.


as a hidden track it would be funny too. there you are, all mellow and zoned out after the
end of friend, lover, sister, mother/wife - and all of a sudden you hear that

"just when u thought it was safe to go outside, i hit ur ass with another funky design" lol

but i have to agree with schlomo, it would have sucked as the last track on that 3disc set.

although, i always felt that 'emancipation' itself was also a weak track. weak title track and
weak album closer. it's an ok song, nothing bad about it, but it just feels so motr.


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Reply #56 posted 06/07/17 3:48pm

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This is actually a fantastic thing to see on the day of his birthday, thanks to Parke for sharing this and thanks to bluegangsta for posting it here so that I actually got to see it. I'm gonna duck out of the org now for tonight and forget about what a certain someone else has decided to 'share' on Prince's birthday. Gonna listen to a few Prince tunes and go to sleep. Night all.

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Reply #57 posted 06/07/17 3:53pm

IstenSzek

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so what are the songs we know were considered for emancipation at one time or another? these?


Journey 2 The Center Of Ur Heart

Feel Good
20/20
I Am The DJ
She Gave Her Angels

Goodbye

Slave 2 The System

Stone

Heart In My Hand

With God As My Witness

Funky Design

Van Gogh

A Thousand Hugs & Kisses

(If It Ain't) Gut Bucket

Love (Never Has 2 Say Goodbye)

Into The Light

I Will
Extraordinary
Dig U Better Dead
Coincidence Or Fate?

The Divine (?)
Muhammed Ali (?)
Moneyapolis (?)
Good Dick And A Job (?)

i'm also still on the fence regarding "Hypnoparadise" since it's always felt like an emancipation
era song to me. especially now that i've seen "Van Gogh" on this early configuration tracklist,
it makes me think that it was grouped with "instrumental (holy river)" and "van gogh" for a
reason when we got it in edition #6 from the npgmc. princevault doesn't seem to know for
sure when it was recorded but places it, tentatively, around 1998. personally i don't hear that
in the song. it sounds like emancipation to me. anyone know anything more? or has any new
information been mentioned anywhere in the last year? there have been so many interviews
and new bits of information that it's very hard to keep up.

anything else? seems like he had enough songs in the bag to fill another 2 discs, at least.

cool






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Reply #58 posted 06/07/17 5:48pm

luvsexy4all

is this version in the hands of someone?????

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Reply #59 posted 06/07/17 5:54pm

IstenSzek

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luvsexy4all said:

is this version in the hands of someone?????


no it isn't.

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