luvsexy4all said:

who cares when this stuff was recorded..the estate knows it exists so they need to get it out

they might not know yet. no one has catalogued the entire vault yet, which i'm sure will be
quite a long process. after that they will have to find out what recordings belong under which
recordcompany, what recordings belong only to prince, etc etc.

it'll likely be another 10 years before stuff like the unreleased songs on this tracklist will see
the light of day, given that the estate, if they get their shit together will likely focus on more
deluxe remasters of his published albums, together with warners or whomever.

i hope i'm wrong, but i think that's the most likely scenario.

mediumdry said:

is there a list of the original 52 song version??

luvsexy4all said:

is there a list of the original 52 song version??

wasn't that just something mayte mentioned in interviews, in late 1995 or something,
that he'd written about 52 songs for the new project?

so that isn't to say there ever was a version with 52 tracks. he just wrote a whole lot
of songs, as we know now since we have most of the titles known at this stage.

206Michelle said:

How could you possibly exclude The Love We Make, Sex in the Summer, and Holy River? (Holy River isn't even a favorite of mine from this album, but I recognize the high quality of that song.)

Simple... unlike you, I don't like those songs. I think they are bad tracks. Sex in The Summer I wanted to keep, because of the drumbeat, but the song was just too boring.

mediumdry said:

206Michelle said:

How could you possibly exclude The Love We Make, Sex in the Summer, and Holy River? (Holy River isn't even a favorite of mine from this album, but I recognize the high quality of that song.)

Simple... unlike you, I don't like those songs. I think they are bad tracks. Sex in The Summer I wanted to keep, because of the drumbeat, but the song was just too boring.

This is not an imaginary tracklist thread. Please stay on topic (you can always create an Emancipation dream tracklist thread if you feel so inclined).

luvsexy4all said:

who cares when this stuff was recorded.

Seriously?

Well, a lot of us do

IstenSzek said:

OperatingThetan said:

IstenSzek said:

they might not know yet. no one has catalogued the entire vault yet, which i'm sure will be
quite a long process. after that they will have to find out what recordings belong under which
recordcompany, what recordings belong only to prince, etc etc.

it'll likely be another 10 years before stuff like the unreleased songs on this tracklist will see
the light of day, given that the estate, if they get their shit together will likely focus on more
deluxe remasters of his published albums, together with warners or whomever.

i hope i'm wrong, but i think that's the most likely scenario.

They could monetise Prince's later and more obscure work now with a service catered to hardcore fans - really the only way to make revenue from all that material. By the time they actually get round to that though it will probably be too late and there will be few hardcore fans left interested in that time period. How many people will even know or remember albums such as Black is the New Black and Phase 3 in 10-20 years or more? If the Estate don't act soon I fear much of this music will never be heard.

Well, they probably could have done except they went and got themselves into a legal muddle with UMG as they tried to sell off the vault instead of monetising what they could themselves. They managed to get PP catalogued and open for business in no time at all. They could have done the same with the music. Well at least with the music they had very clear rights for. Deliverance was slapped down pretty quickly so the rights of at least some of the recordings are pretty clear even if there are some grey areas such as this Emancipation era. Leave the grey areas alone and use what is clearly legally useable. There is probably enough for several years of releases whilst the grey areas are ironed out. Alas, they decided to try and sell certain rights off instead, putting the entire vault off limits for god knows how long.

Of course, if they sold off whatever rights they were selling openly and transparrently without fraudulently claiming the buyer would have rights to stuff they actually wouldnt have rights to, then we would probably be getting something by now. The family, for whatever reasons, have been surrounded by absolute fuck-tards and vultures, and everything Prince was about, the music, is being raped and forgotten about. If I could slap some of these people I would.

Rebeljuice said:

OperatingThetan said:

IstenSzek said: They could monetise Prince's later and more obscure work now with a service catered to hardcore fans - really the only way to make revenue from all that material. By the time they actually get round to that though it will probably be too late and there will be few hardcore fans left interested in that time period. How many people will even know or remember albums such as Black is the New Black and Phase 3 in 10-20 years or more? If the Estate don't act soon I fear much of this music will never be heard.

Well, they probably could have done except they went and got themselves into a legal muddle with UMG as they tried to sell off the vault instead of monetising what they could themselves. They managed to get PP catalogued and open for business in no time at all. They could have done the same with the music. Well at least with the music they had very clear rights for. Deliverance was slapped down pretty quickly so the rights of at least some of the recordings are pretty clear even if there are some grey areas such as this Emancipation era. Leave the grey areas alone and use what is clearly legally useable. There is probably enough for several years of releases whilst the grey areas are ironed out. Alas, they decided to try and sell certain rights off instead, putting the entire vault off limits for god knows how long.

Of course, if they sold off whatever rights they were selling openly and transparrently without fraudulently claiming the buyer would have rights to stuff they actually wouldnt have rights to, then we would probably be getting something by now. The family, for whatever reasons, have been surrounded by absolute fuck-tards and vultures, and everything Prince was about, the music, is being raped and forgotten about. If I could slap some of these people I would.

What these two said...

Well, listening to the first disc (reconstructed, according to the fact that we have all tracks available in pristine quality) I have to say it's not a bad sequencing.

Interesting in some way, it shares much with the "Emancipation" early 1CD configuration ("The Secret Chapter" SAB, to be clear), makin' me think that probably also that could be the first CD of a 3/4 set and not the only one of that album configuration.

This also could explain probably the choice to release the 2-tracks promo cassette "Slave/New World", as they were the first 2 tracks of the entire set.

Rebeljuice said:

OperatingThetan said:

IstenSzek said: They could monetise Prince's later and more obscure work now with a service catered to hardcore fans - really the only way to make revenue from all that material. By the time they actually get round to that though it will probably be too late and there will be few hardcore fans left interested in that time period. How many people will even know or remember albums such as Black is the New Black and Phase 3 in 10-20 years or more? If the Estate don't act soon I fear much of this music will never be heard.

Well, they probably could have done except they went and got themselves into a legal muddle with UMG as they tried to sell off the vault instead of monetising what they could themselves. They managed to get PP catalogued and open for business in no time at all. They could have done the same with the music. Well at least with the music they had very clear rights for. Deliverance was slapped down pretty quickly so the rights of at least some of the recordings are pretty clear even if there are some grey areas such as this Emancipation era. Leave the grey areas alone and use what is clearly legally useable. There is probably enough for several years of releases whilst the grey areas are ironed out. Alas, they decided to try and sell certain rights off instead, putting the entire vault off limits for god knows how long.

Of course, if they sold off whatever rights they were selling openly and transparrently without fraudulently claiming the buyer would have rights to stuff they actually wouldnt have rights to, then we would probably be getting something by now. The family, for whatever reasons, have been surrounded by absolute fuck-tards and vultures, and everything Prince was about, the music, is being raped and forgotten about. If I could slap some of these people I would.

completely agree, with all of that well said.

scififilmnerd said:

Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife, Let's Have A Baby and One Kiss at A Time were supposedly recorded in early 1996 - like in January. So I guess this configuration was made around then.

I wonder how many of the tracks on this configuration were different from the released versions. Surely Into The Light, I Will and Dig U Better Dead did not feature Rosie Gaines at this point.

But very interesting track list. Who wouldn't love to hear it.

[Edited 6/8/17 10:02am]

Yes, it may be fairly easy to date this as "Friend, Lover..." was written for and unveiled at the wedding (Feb 14); and Prince submitted C & D and The Vault albums to WB (thus giving up I Will, Into the Light, Extraordinary) in April.

OperatingThetan said:

They could monetise Prince's later and more obscure work now with a service catered to hardcore fans - really the only way to make revenue from all that material. By the time they actually get round to that though it will probably be too late and there will be few hardcore fans left interested in that time period. How many people will even know or remember albums such as Black is the New Black and Phase 3 in 10-20 years or more? If the Estate don't act soon I fear much of this music will never be heard.

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Yeah, if only they'd built on Prince's... Oh wait, Prince didn't have anything in place. Didn't even bother to keep his independently releases in print. Didn't even bother to release them all worldwide.

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I have been saying the above ABOUT PRINCE, and you lot kept telling me everything was hunky-dory. Couldn't be better. Nothing to improve.

Rebeljuice said:

Well, they probably could have done except they went and got themselves into a legal muddle with UMG as they tried to sell off the vault instead of monetising what they could themselves.

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Except they couldn't. A bunch of amateurs can't do that. You need plans and investments and access to specialists etc. And there's a tax bill coming, so they need money quick.

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They managed to get PP catalogued and open for business in no time at all.

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From all accounts only a fraction, and in case you forgot: they hired outsiders to handle that. And PP is "open for business" because apparently the building needs urgent repairs, thus they need income. Plus there's a tax bill coming.

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Of course, if they sold off whatever rights they were selling openly and transparrently without fraudulently claiming the buyer would have rights to stuff they actually wouldnt have rights to, then we would probably be getting something by now. The family, for whatever reasons, have been surrounded by absolute fuck-tards and vultures, and everything Prince was about, the music, is being raped and forgotten about. If I could slap some of these people I would.

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Except no sane company has any interests in Prince's post-WBR music; at best that's going to be pocket money. The real value is in the 1980s classics and the potential to monetise those by releasing deluxe editions, box sets, etc.

BartVanHemelen said:

Rebeljuice said:

Well, they probably could have done except they went and got themselves into a legal muddle with UMG as they tried to sell off the vault instead of monetising what they could themselves.

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Except they couldn't. A bunch of amateurs can't do that. You need plans and investments and access to specialists etc. And there's a tax bill coming, so they need money quick.

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From all accounts only a fraction, and in case you forgot: they hired outsiders to handle that. And PP is "open for business" because apparently the building needs urgent repairs, thus they need income. Plus there's a tax bill coming.

.

Of course, if they sold off whatever rights they were selling openly and transparrently without fraudulently claiming the buyer would have rights to stuff they actually wouldnt have rights to, then we would probably be getting something by now. The family, for whatever reasons, have been surrounded by absolute fuck-tards and vultures, and everything Prince was about, the music, is being raped and forgotten about. If I could slap some of these people I would.

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Except no sane company has any interests in Prince's post-WBR music; at best that's going to be pocket money. The real value is in the 1980s classics and the potential to monetise those by releasing deluxe editions, box sets, etc.

They want to "monetize" with future Deluxe releases yet there has been no evidence of any serious promo for the PR DELUXE at least in the U.S. With less than 3 weeks till the release... The numbers WILL be interesting to see how much PR DELUXE sells because that will literally set the tone for the future releases to come... If his most POPULAR album fails to sell well posthumously, then what will the future vault and deluxe editions sell...

There's some joke here about shuffling chairs on the Titanic.

[I kid!]

[Edited 6/9/17 16:58pm]

IstenSzek said:

that interview is all over the place with regards to the timeline. at one point she says she
went to a 'batman' party he was throwing and she hadn't seem him for 2 years, since they
broke up. when they toured lovesexy together and she mentions being with him in '88/'89.

etc etc.

Actually, Sheila E stayed around for awhile after Lovesexy - at least through 1989, playing on the December 1989 recording of the song Diamonds And Pearls.

BartVanHemelen said:

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Of course, if they sold off whatever rights they were selling openly and transparrently without fraudulently claiming the buyer would have rights to stuff they actually wouldnt have rights to, then we would probably be getting something by now. The family, for whatever reasons, have been surrounded by absolute fuck-tards and vultures, and everything Prince was about, the music, is being raped and forgotten about. If I could slap some of these people I would.

.

Except no sane company has any interests in Prince's post-WBR music; at best that's going to be pocket money. The real value is in the 1980s classics and the potential to monetise those by releasing deluxe editions, box sets, etc.

Pocket money or not there's money to be made with his post WBR music and well you know it. They'll sell more copies of any Prince album than whatever obscure release funkytowngrooves and cherry red are pushing this week.

jaawwnn said:

OperatingThetan said:

jaawwnn said:

Pocket money or not there's money to be made with his post WBR music and well you know it. They'll sell more copies of any Prince album than whatever obscure release funkytowngrooves and cherry red are pushing this week.

If the post-WBR material is marketed to hardcore fans with some kind of premium or subscriber service designed for them, then yes. The general public and casual fans would be a much harder sell and simply aren't interested or knowledgeable about all the unreleased post-WBR music and projects in the same way we are. A small highly curated selection might work, but it's really the hardcore who'll be keen to hear it all and that is the predominant market that needs to be catered for with some urgency.

In all honesty I don't give much of a damn. Sure I have it all in one way or another.

I'm interested in hearing outtakes and I think the general public would appreciate some well put-together compilations/boxsets covering 1995-2016. Aside from that... all this talk of catering to markets makes me a bit ill. We're here for the the music, not the commerce... right??

[Edited 6/9/17 16:28pm]

jaawwnn said:

OperatingThetan said:

jaawwnn said:

In all honesty I don't give much of a damn. Sure I have it all in one way or another.

I'm interested in hearing outtakes and I think the general public would appreciate some well put-together compilations/boxsets covering 1995-2016. Aside from that... all this talk of catering to markets makes me a bit ill. We're here for the the music, not the commerce... right??

[Edited 6/9/17 16:28pm]

Agreed. But we'll never hear it all if the Estate fails to act on the material properly. For example, it's been reported Prince recorded around 300 new songs with 3RDEYEGIRL alone. Now, I'd like to hear all of them and then some, but I don't think the general public has that kind of appetite. My concern is that those who care about Prince's later material and supported it in his lifetime, will never get the opportunity to hear most of it.

Fingers crossed eh?

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Except no sane company has any interests in Prince's post-WBR music; at best that's going to be pocket money. The real value is in the 1980s classics and the potential to monetise those by releasing deluxe editions, box sets, etc.

They want to "monetize" with future Deluxe releases

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That's not what I said. I said those would be the plans of a sane company. Right now Warners has a contract to do PR Deluxe, but beyond that?

jaawwnn said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Except no sane company has any interests in Prince's post-WBR music; at best that's going to be pocket money. The real value is in the 1980s classics and the potential to monetise those by releasing deluxe editions, box sets, etc.

Pocket money or not there's money to be made with his post WBR music and well you know it. They'll sell more copies of any Prince album than whatever obscure release funkytowngrooves and cherry red are pushing this week.

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The investment Cherry Red et al need to make is nowhere near what would be needed for a Prince release. The company needs to first obtain the rights, a multi-million investment. Then it needs to invest to prepare everything for release, which means compiling the album, mastering it, creating art, writing liner notes, paying for promo,... That's a loooot of time and money to invest into a venture that might earn some money initially, but which might soon turn into "yet another mediocre Prince album from the 1990s/2000s/2010s."

He had so much unreleased music lying around, he could have put a 6 disc set with all the Gold Experience / Come / Exodus leftovers and the Emancipation era stuff.

IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

is there a list of the original 52 song version??

wasn't that just something mayte mentioned in interviews, in late 1995 or something,
that he'd written about 52 songs for the new project?

so that isn't to say there ever was a version with 52 tracks. he just wrote a whole lot
of songs, as we know now since we have most of the titles known at this stage.

prince said that at paisley show in 1995.

luvsexy4all said:

IstenSzek said:

wasn't that just something mayte mentioned in interviews, in late 1995 or something,
that he'd written about 52 songs for the new project?

so that isn't to say there ever was a version with 52 tracks. he just wrote a whole lot
of songs, as we know now since we have most of the titles known at this stage.

prince said that at paisley show in 1995.

ah ok, that's interesting do you remember what he said exactly, or what show it was? (the date)?

IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

prince said that at paisley show in 1995.

ah ok, that's interesting do you remember what he said exactly, or what show it was? (the date)?

Something like "Steve Austin is producing my next album called Emancipation, 52 songs, 80 dollars, save your money".

Marco81 said:

IstenSzek said:

ah ok, that's interesting do you remember what he said exactly, or what show it was? (the date)?

Something like "Steve Austin is producing my next album called Emancipation, 52 songs, 80 dollars, save your money".

Dallas Austin.