LBrent said:

Who you hidin from, and why you splainin yourself to people?
You don't have to appease nobody.

Back to the original question. That guitar.

[Edited 6/20/17 7:51am]

One can't help but speculate. He wrote so many songs about looking for love, finding love, and loosing love, and then starting all over again.

I never thought for a moment that either he nor Andy Allo were in love with one another. Her response to his death was more of the response of hearing that someone you had worked with in the far past had died then hearing that a past lover died.

Before her was Bria Valente and she seemed to want him badly, the more visible that was the more he seemed to push her away.

There were just so many "girls of the moment" like Liza and such. I don't even remember Liza's last name. She was a dancer from Panama who bore a resemblance to Beyonce in the same way that Andy Allo looks a bit like Esperenza.

I think after Manuela he wasn't giving anyone a real chance.

My guess was that he loved cute women much younger then he and he liked to be in charge all the time. The problem is that they were no match for his energy or his dark side. He could mop the floor with them, it was like a wolf dating sheep. They were bound to get the short end of the stick. Thos is my analyses only. Never met the man so really it is just observation.

Some powerful people like to suround themselves with other strong people and feel that the push back makes them stronger. Others don't want any challenges at all. They want followers; they are the prophet and everyone else is a disciple who can learn from them.

My other GUESS is that that is what did him in. Nobody challenged him on how he was taking care of his health. Everyone allowed him his complete privacy. If he had a shewolf type of women she'd have gone into his bottles of pills, questioned him and not given a care that he complained about having his privacy violated. She would not have taken "none of your business" as an answer.

Deadflow3r said:

My guess was that he loved cute women much younger then he and he liked to be in charge all the time. The problem is that they were no match for his energy or his dark side. He could mop the floor with them, it was like a wolf dating sheep. They were bound to get the short end of the stick. Thos is my analyses only. Never met the man so really it is just observation.

Good observation. But the matches to his dark side existed too, he just couldn't deal with the mirror effect, that's why he kept turning to the light ones who didn't challenge him to mature and self-reflect. It was safe for the control freak in him but he never realized that this was the reason why he ended up lonely and not understood time and time again.

CatB said:

I believe the young people around could keep up with him better which is one reason he chose them. Another is that they didn't have histories and weren't "jaded" yet...they were positive, which he liked.
The downside of this I believe (when it comes to romance) is that simply put, they weren't ready for a relationship yet.

CatB said:

You want to name some names?

anangellooksdown said:

CatB said:

Good observation. But the matches to his dark side existed too, he just couldn't deal with the mirror effect, that's why he kept turning to the light ones who didn't challenge him to mature and self-reflect. It was safe for the control freak in him but he never realized that this was the reason why he ended up lonely and not understood time and time again.

I believe the young people around could keep up with him better which is one reason he chose them. Another is that they didn't have histories and weren't "jaded" yet...they were positive, which he liked. The downside of this I believe (when it comes to romance) is that simply put, they weren't ready for a relationship yet.

There were such who were young and deep but true about the positivity.

fortuneandserendipity said:

This penguin lady needs to take several seats. She tweets acceptance speeches thanking the Purple Army like she's his widow.

She's bat shit crazy.

:nono:

clairew1975 said:

Oh lord. That crazy lady.
She came into my mentions on Twitter and tried to have a full debate on Prince's favorite food. It was hilarious and random.

That settles it...my next lifetime I'm coming back as a damned man...

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LBrent said:

You always crack me up, LBrent.

sharpieheartz said:

clairew1975 said:

This penguin lady needs to take several seats. She tweets acceptance speeches thanking the Purple Army like she's his widow. She's bat shit crazy.

Oh lord. That crazy lady. She came into my mentions on Twitter and tried to have a full debate on Prince's favorite food. It was hilarious and random.

Someone exposed her fake DM between her and Prince on Twitter recently and it was hilarious. Prince asked if it was "a recent picture". She said it was taken recently on way back from The Mall.

https://twitter.com/iamLexieLo/status/872479071820763136

In January 2016 J posted the exact same picture saying it was a "Selfie" on way to P&M gig at Paisley Park.

https://twitter.com/iamLexieLo/status/872479724727140354

She was already dating him before the January gig according to her tweets the day he died.

Very odd he was asking if it was a recent picture. Did he drive her to Dairy Queen with his eyes shut????? ROFLMAO.

She's not the full ticket.

anangellooksdown said:

CatB said:

Good observation. But the matches to his dark side existed too, he just couldn't deal with the mirror effect, that's why he kept turning to the light ones who didn't challenge him to mature and self-reflect. It was safe for the control freak in him but he never realized that this was the reason why he ended up lonely and not understood time and time again.

I believe the young people around could keep up with him better which is one reason he chose them. Another is that they didn't have histories and weren't "jaded" yet...they were positive, which he liked. The downside of this I believe (when it comes to romance) is that simply put, they weren't ready for a relationship yet.

When I say "energy" I don't mean "energetic", lively spirit. You are right youth is lively you can see the difference in a kitten vs a cat, a colt vs a mare. What I mean by energy is that strong energy that forceful people have that gets them their way every time. The man had fought with record companies, lawyers, and anybody else that didn't see things his way. He had plenty of practice; tiny in size but T-Rex size in spirit he most likely ALWAYS got his way in a relationship with a younger women who didn't have his fame or fortune. Being young doesn't mean your naive or silly. I don't think they were, certainly not Manuela, but I do think his control issues and persistance ( traits he'd admit he had) could wear any woman down. I honestly think that he was a difficult person to relax around. Again, never met him and clearly I could be off track.

Deadflow3r said:

anangellooksdown said:

CatB said: I believe the young people around could keep up with him better which is one reason he chose them. Another is that they didn't have histories and weren't "jaded" yet...they were positive, which he liked. The downside of this I believe (when it comes to romance) is that simply put, they weren't ready for a relationship yet.

When I say "energy" I don't mean "energetic", lively spirit. You are right youth is lively you can see the difference in a kitten vs a cat, a colt vs a mare. What I mean by energy is that strong energy that forceful people have that gets them their way every time. The man had fought with record companies, lawyers, and anybody else that didn't see things his way. He had plenty of practice; tiny in size but T-Rex size in spirit he most likely ALWAYS got his way in a relationship with a younger women who didn't have his fame or fortune. Being young doesn't mean your naive or silly. I don't think they were, certainly not Manuela, but I do think his control issues and persistance ( traits he'd admit he had) could wear any woman down. I honestly think that he was a difficult person to relax around. Again, never met him and clearly I could be off track.

Well, I did and I witnessed this exactly. His energy was demanding and he had something very compelling. So much so that you trusted him more than yourself and followed him, no matter how old, how smart or grounded you were.

It was like he knew more about you than you knew yourself which made it so easy for him to lure you in and so difficult for you to get out again.

CatB said:

Deadflow3r said:

When I say "energy" I don't mean "energetic", lively spirit. You are right youth is lively you can see the difference in a kitten vs a cat, a colt vs a mare. What I mean by energy is that strong energy that forceful people have that gets them their way every time. The man had fought with record companies, lawyers, and anybody else that didn't see things his way. He had plenty of practice; tiny in size but T-Rex size in spirit he most likely ALWAYS got his way in a relationship with a younger women who didn't have his fame or fortune. Being young doesn't mean your naive or silly. I don't think they were, certainly not Manuela, but I do think his control issues and persistance ( traits he'd admit he had) could wear any woman down. I honestly think that he was a difficult person to relax around. Again, never met him and clearly I could be off track.

Well, I did and I witnessed this exactly. His energy was demanding and he had something very compelling. So much so that you trusted him more than yourself and followed him, no matter how old, how smart or grounded you were.

It was like he knew more about you than you knew yourself which made it so easy for him to lure you in and so difficult for you to get out again.

Well Jill Jones did say he could read minds....

gullahgirl said:

CatB said:

Well, I did and I witnessed this exactly. His energy was demanding and he had something very compelling. So much so that you trusted him more than yourself and followed him, no matter how old, how smart or grounded you were.

It was like he knew more about you than you knew yourself which made it so easy for him to lure you in and so difficult for you to get out again.

Well Jill Jones did say he could read minds....

Yeah, I talked about it with her as I've experienced it too. Telepathy, knowing my whereabouts even when I didn't know his. He had powers.

[Edited 6/24/17 2:08am]

I don't quite agree with this statement at all. But, everybody has a version.

CatB said:

Deadflow3r said:

When I say "energy" I don't mean "energetic", lively spirit. You are right youth is lively you can see the difference in a kitten vs a cat, a colt vs a mare. What I mean by energy is that strong energy that forceful people have that gets them their way every time. The man had fought with record companies, lawyers, and anybody else that didn't see things his way. He had plenty of practice; tiny in size but T-Rex size in spirit he most likely ALWAYS got his way in a relationship with a younger women who didn't have his fame or fortune. Being young doesn't mean your naive or silly. I don't think they were, certainly not Manuela, but I do think his control issues and persistance ( traits he'd admit he had) could wear any woman down. I honestly think that he was a difficult person to relax around. Again, never met him and clearly I could be off track.

Well, I did and I witnessed this exactly. His energy was demanding and he had something very compelling. So much so that you trusted him more than yourself and followed him, no matter how old, how smart or grounded you were.

It was like he knew more about you than you knew yourself which made it so easy for him to lure you in and so difficult for you to get out again.

Is it like extreme empathy (almost to the point of possession)??

CatB said:

gullahgirl said:

Well Jill Jones did say he could read minds....

Yeah, I talked about it with her as I've experienced it too. Telepathy, knowing my whereabouts even when I didn't know his. He had powers.

[Edited 6/24/17 2:08am]

Who are you?

prizefight said:

I don't quite agree with this statement at all. But, everybody has a version.

CatB said:

Well, I did and I witnessed this exactly. His energy was demanding and he had something very compelling. So much so that you trusted him more than yourself and followed him, no matter how old, how smart or grounded you were.

It was like he knew more about you than you knew yourself which made it so easy for him to lure you in and so difficult for you to get out again.

purplerabbithole said:

Is it like extreme empathy (almost to the point of possession)??

CatB said:

Yeah, I talked about it with her as I've experienced it too. Telepathy, knowing my whereabouts even when I didn't know his. He had powers.

[Edited 6/24/17 2:08am]

Perhaps. I really can't tell. And sometimes it feels like he still does it.

LBrent said:

Just tidying up this post cuz it looked like I said that when it was petalthecat.

Don't mind me, I"m getting out of the way...

anangellooksdown said:

Who you hidin from, and why you splainin yourself to people? You don't have to appease nobody.

When folks hit the reply button it doesn't distribute the previous replies and the accompanying nams of the posters of those replies in the correct position so that it's clear who posted what...

I always clean mine up cuz otherwise it sometimes looks like the wrong person posted something that's problematic...and frankly, I'd rather not get splattered by someone else's blame...

Carry on...

purplerabbithole said:

Who are you?

prizefight said:

I don't quite agree with this statement at all. But, everybody has a version.

Just trying to be a voice of reason.

prizefight said:

I don't quite agree with this statement at all. But, everybody has a version.

CatB said:

Well, I did and I witnessed this exactly. His energy was demanding and he had something very compelling. So much so that you trusted him more than yourself and followed him, no matter how old, how smart or grounded you were.

It was like he knew more about you than you knew yourself which made it so easy for him to lure you in and so difficult for you to get out again.

My experience certainly doesn't need your agreement

CatB said:

prizefight said:

I don't quite agree with this statement at all. But, everybody has a version.

My experience certainly doesn't need your agreement

I would agree with that. Which is why I phrased my comment the way I did. It is an open forum, no?

CatB said:

My experience certainly doesn't need your agreement

Did you previously post on LSA?

prizefight said:

I don't quite agree with this statement at all. But, everybody has a version.

CatB said:

Well, I did and I witnessed this exactly. His energy was demanding and he had something very compelling. So much so that you trusted him more than yourself and followed him, no matter how old, how smart or grounded you were.

It was like he knew more about you than you knew yourself which made it so easy for him to lure you in and so difficult for you to get out again.

I just read this post of yours on the other thread and I could be wrong but what you state there seems to be very much in agreement with my experience

prizefight said:

You have to remember he was also masterful at manipulating. And if others on the outer of end of the ring sensed something, they may have been concerned but probably not confident to say anything but almost everyone knew. If they didn't know intimately they knew via rumors in the camp and word spreads fast.

To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed.

And just for the record, I appreciate your insightful posts, I just don't appreciate your wording on my experience as a "version". You are referring to him in the recent years, I was there in the 90s and met him here in Europe.

CatB said:

prizefight said:

I don't quite agree with this statement at all. But, everybody has a version.

I just read this post of yours on the other thread and I could be wrong but what you state there seems to be very much in agreement with my experience

prizefight said:

You have to remember he was also masterful at manipulating. And if others on the outer of end of the ring sensed something, they may have been concerned but probably not confident to say anything but almost everyone knew. If they didn't know intimately they knew via rumors in the camp and word spreads fast.

To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed.

And just for the record, I appreciate your insightful posts, I just don't appreciate your wording on my experience as a "version". You are referring to him in the recent years, I was there in the 90s and met him here in Europe.

I ask that you wouldn't take offense as there no dig in that statement. A version of events, your truth, how you perceive is how you perceive.

In order to explain myself, manipulating is lying. He would lie to people all the time. He could not be trusted. Thats what I meant by disagreeing with your statement. Never did the option to trust him appear to me. I hope that makes it clear.

prizefight said:

I ask that you wouldn't take offense as there no dig in that statement. A version of events, your truth, how you perceive is how you perceive.

In order to explain myself, manipulating is lying. He would lie to people all the time. He could not be trusted. Thats what I meant by disagreeing with your statement. Never did the option to trust him appear to me. I hope that makes it clear.

No offense taken at all, and thanks for clarifying. As I said, I appreciate your insightful posts. In some regards we are very much on the same page. Your first reply to my post here just read as a judging and negating of my personal experience, which you wouldn't have a basis for.


Yes, he was manipulating, his lies sometimes downright blatant, almost childlike. However, those were words. What we were talking about on this thread before was his energy, his essence. That was enticing, compelling. It's what cannot be explained and why he was so successful. How many times have I heard people say, Oh, I would have refused him, or I would have stuck around and saved him. And I say, No, you wouldn't. No matter how old, smart or educated you were. Before I met him I was also one of those who said, Never ever... and in hindsight I have many things that I still feel anger about and that I would like to tell him now but then again there is that other side to him that just made you feel love and that was very powerful.


Anyway, it's all good. I completely understand your perception.

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[Edited 6/27/17 16:13pm]

NO I mean literally, who are you? I wasn't being snarky. YOu seem to know a lot. But credentials, please.

prizefight said:

purplerabbithole said:

Who are you?

Just trying to be a voice of reason.

CatB said:

Deadflow3r said:

When I say "energy" I don't mean "energetic", lively spirit. You are right youth is lively you can see the difference in a kitten vs a cat, a colt vs a mare. What I mean by energy is that strong energy that forceful people have that gets them their way every time. The man had fought with record companies, lawyers, and anybody else that didn't see things his way. He had plenty of practice; tiny in size but T-Rex size in spirit he most likely ALWAYS got his way in a relationship with a younger women who didn't have his fame or fortune. Being young doesn't mean your naive or silly. I don't think they were, certainly not Manuela, but I do think his control issues and persistance ( traits he'd admit he had) could wear any woman down. I honestly think that he was a difficult person to relax around. Again, never met him and clearly I could be off track.

Well, I did and I witnessed this exactly. His energy was demanding and he had something very compelling. So much so that you trusted him more than yourself and followed him, no matter how old, how smart or grounded you were.

It was like he knew more about you than you knew yourself which made it so easy for him to lure you in and so difficult for you to get out again.

I keep saying that someone should write a book interviewing tons of women that spent time with Prince. He was always looking for his next protege. I keep thinking of another genius, Pablo Picasso who both loved women and could also destroy them. I live in Massachusetts so meeting his ex's would be difficult. I just feel like there is a book there.