Bodhitheblackdog said:

RJOrion said:

Kirk Johnson

Certainly the closest, most constant relationship of his life....

How so there is a period of time when this dude was not even around and he did not show up until PR and then did not reappear until D&P. You are putting a lable on him.

I actually think it may have been Andy Allo.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Certainly the closest, most constant relationship of his life....

How so there is a period of time when this dude was not even around and he did not show up until PR and then did not reappear until D&P. You are putting a lable on him.

I actually think it may have been Andy Allo.

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Oh yeah! He definitely had a thang for Andy Allo.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

luvparade said:

For the record....... at Prince's Piano & Microphone Show in Toronto he said: "I Love U Mary." I wondered if he was speaking about Mary J Blige. Her song "I Love You" made me think of Prince the first time I heard it. Or was there another Mary? The odd thing to me was that when a friend sent a link of that show to me awhile ago, I mentioned hearing this in a private message to a few friends. When I went back to watch it aqain, those words had been deleted out of the video................. Strange, I wonder why.

You think he was telling Mary J. Blige he loved? Lord

I'd prefer to think he was talking about Mary Sharon. He wanted to take her away from here...forever!

laurarichardson said:

luvparade said:

For the record....... at Prince's Piano & Microphone Show in Toronto he said: "I Love U Mary." I wondered if he was speaking about Mary J Blige. Her song "I Love You" made me think of Prince the first time I heard it. Or was there another Mary? The odd thing to me was that when a friend sent a link of that show to me awhile ago, I mentioned hearing this in a private message to a few friends. When I went back to watch it aqain, those words had been deleted out of the video................. Strange, I wonder why.

You think he was telling Mary J. Blige he loved? Lord

No, I'm wondering which Mary he was singing that too. And the first Mary that I thougt of was Mary J Blige not for any reason other than her name is Mary. And they always seemed to have a close relationship & love for one another. IDK, I keep forgetting that if I post anything here someone usually has a problem with it, without really understanding where I'm coming from or that it's just a guess. I thought this was a public forum for Prince fans to discuss ideas. Why so serious, can't I post a suggestion without an automatic repremand? Obviously not.

No worries, for me it's all about Prince and the love he gave to so many and all those magnificent masterpieces he created. Forgive me for thinking I should be able to make a guess about which Mary he said he loved just before he passed. Strange days.

laurarichardson said:

RJOrion said:

Kirk Johnson

they both hurt each other deeply

So, who is this Judy person? Apparently some ex of Prince's?

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And, Carmen Electra had a song titled "Good Judy Girlfriend".

Mayte. Ms Lewis was his last muse/girlfriend. Muse sounds more sophisticated than girlfriend.

I dont like speculating on topics like this cos who knows except Prince,my two cents says Mayte.

Prince (so obvious)..besides music.

Laydown said:

Mayte. Ms Lewis was his last muse/girlfriend. Muse sounds more sophisticated than girlfriend.

I dont like speculating on topics like this cos who knows except Prince,my two cents says Mayte.

Prince is reported to have said (paraphrasing here) 'you'll learn more about me from my music than anything I'll say'...so let's believe him. IMO, the glory and depth of his love songs to Mayte (especially those on Emancipation) leave every other love song he wrote after they split in the dust. After Mayte, he was just going through the motions. His world-view of never-looking-back, leaving everythig to God, pushing forward at all costs, denying and distancing himself from every uncomfortable little truth kept him IMO from processing and healing from their shared tragedy and and moving foward together. In essence, he got stuck in the nadir of his life, it showed in his music and I believe his drug use started around that time. Flame away, Org., I've lived a long time and this is what my gut, heart and stereo tell me.

laurarichardson said:

RJOrion said:

laurarichardson said:

How so there is a period of time when this dude was not even around and he did not show up until PR and then did not reappear until D&P. You are putting a lable on him.

I actually think it may have been Andy Allo.

throughout his long career, when P was done with someone, it was permanent....the fact that Kirk "left", and "came back", and stayed till the VERY end, only certifies the undying love/trust that P had for him...and what "lable" are u referring to?

Yup...point of clarification re my post this a.m., I believe Mayte was the truest, deepest heterosexual love of P's life...and she, like all the other women, only lasted a few years in the flesh. Fire away, Org.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Laydown said:

Mayte. Ms Lewis was his last muse/girlfriend. Muse sounds more sophisticated than girlfriend.

I dont like speculating on topics like this cos who knows except Prince,my two cents says Mayte.

Prince is reported to have said (paraphrasing here) 'you'll learn more about me from my music than anything I'll say'...so let's believe him. IMO, the glory and depth of his love songs to Mayte (especially those on Emancipation) leave every other love song he wrote after they split in the dust. After Mayte, he was just going through the motions. His world-view of never-looking-back, leaving everythig to God, pushing forward at all costs, denying and distancing himself from every uncomfortable little truth kept him IMO from processing and healing from their shared tragedy and and moving foward together. In essence, he got stuck in the nadir of his life, it showed in his music and I believe his drug use started around that time. Flame away, Org., I've lived a long time and this is what my gut, heart and stereo tell me.

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No flame from me. I agree with you. His music tells us a lot about him.

122884 said:

edit, wrong thread

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Why would anyone do that? He has other guitars and breaks his own. Now, if they stole one of his songs--that would be different.

rdhull said:

If someone broke Prince's guitar, y'all would ask for his head.

edit-wrong thread

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cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Prince is reported to have said (paraphrasing here) 'you'll learn more about me from my music than anything I'll say'...so let's believe him. IMO, the glory and depth of his love songs to Mayte (especially those on Emancipation) leave every other love song he wrote after they split in the dust. After Mayte, he was just going through the motions. His world-view of never-looking-back, leaving everythig to God, pushing forward at all costs, denying and distancing himself from every uncomfortable little truth kept him IMO from processing and healing from their shared tragedy and and moving foward together. In essence, he got stuck in the nadir of his life, it showed in his music and I believe his drug use started around that time. Flame away, Org., I've lived a long time and this is what my gut, heart and stereo tell me.

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No flame from me. I agree with you. His music tells us a lot about him.

who knows except Prince

Laydown said:

Mayte. Ms Lewis was his last muse/girlfriend. Muse sounds more sophisticated than girlfriend.

I dont like speculating on topics like this cos who knows except Prince,my two cents says Mayte.

Despite the fact that he got remarried and appears to only have spoken to Mayte once in 20 years while communicating and staying friends with mere jumpoffs for years.

RJOrion said:

laurarichardson said:

How so there is a period of time when this dude was not even around and he did not show up until PR and then did not reappear until D&P. You are putting a lable on him.

I actually think it may have been Andy Allo.

throughout his long career, when P was done with someone, it was permanent....the fact that Kirk "left", and "came back", and stayed till the VERY end, only certifies the undying love/trust that P had for him...and what "lable" are u referring to?

You can say the same thing about Sheila E but no one on this board believes anything she has to say about their relationship at all.

You know what lable I am refering to. Many people have said Prince did not even get along with men that well yet you have him ready to marry Kirk GTFO.

laurarichardson said:

RJOrion said:

laurarichardson said: throughout his long career, when P was done with someone, it was permanent....the fact that Kirk "left", and "came back", and stayed till the VERY end, only certifies the undying love/trust that P had for him...and what "lable" are u referring to?

You can say the same thing about Sheila E but no one on this board believes anything she has to say about their relationship at all.

You know what lable I am refering to. Many people have said Prince did not even get along with men that well yet you have him ready to marry Kirk GTFO.

Joint To Joint

PS Love to Sheila. I believe her when she wrote that P was her "musical soul mate."

@laurarichardson

...i never said anything about "marriage" to Kirk...you are implying things...and possibly projecting things...Sheila E. was NEVER Paisly Park Manager/Superintendent...Sheila E. never made it past backup drummer/part-time jump-off...Kirk graduated from backup dancer to keeper of Prince's most prized possesions...which were Paisley Park and Prince himself...now, whatever else their relationship entailed, is none of your knowledge or mine...im just doing the math...

laurarichardson said~

"many people said he didnt get along with men that well"

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but he lived with Andre Cymone for years (in a musty basement filled with millipedes and flooding)

he gave Morris Day a career...

gave youngsters like Mononeon and Harts complete access to Paisley Park studios, including personal mentoring...

fronted different incarnations of his own band, which all included men, who still to this day swear by his coolness, brotherhood, generosity, intelligence, and sense of humor

friends with countless A- list MALE (and female) celebrities who have spent time with him, and swear by his coolness, brotherhood, generosity, intelligence, and sense of humor...

and of course the omni-present Kirk J...

so how is it that Prince didnt get along well with men?

by whose account?

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RJOrion said:

@laurarichardson

...i never said anything about "marriage" to Kirk...you are implying things...and possibly projecting things...Sheila E. was NEVER Paisly Park Manager/Superintendent...Sheila E. never made it past backup drummer/part-time jump-off...Kirk graduated from backup dancer to keeper of Prince's most prized possesions...which were Paisley Park and Prince himself...now, whatever else their relationship entailed, is none of your knowledge or mine...im just doing the math...

'Certainly the closest, most constant relationship of his life....'

You typed that so what do you think anyone would think by that statement?

I never said Sheila E held a role like "Paisly Park Manager/Superintendent" not that much was going on when Kirk took over.

Sheila E was a drummer, band director, co-writer, and talent scout. To me those are a lot of roles and she was responsible for bringing in the Oakland/SF bay area people to his band.

The average person outside of the Prince community would not know Kirk if they saw him walking down the street.

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RJOrion said:

laurarichardson said~

"many people said he didnt get along with men that well"

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but he lived with Andre Cymone for years (in a musty basement filled with millipedes and flooding)

he gave Morris Day a career...

gave youngsters like Mononeon and Harts complete access to Paisley Park studios, including personal mentoring...

fronted different incarnations of his own band, which all included men, who still to this day swear by his coolness, brotherhood, generosity, intelligence, and sense of humor

friends with countless A- list MALE (and female) celebrities who have spent time with him, and swear by his coolness, brotherhood, generosity, intelligence, and sense of humor...

and of course the omni-present Kirk J...

so how is it that Prince didnt get along well with men?

by whose account?

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1. He was a child when he went to live with Andre’s family not Andre. In fact he moved to the basement to get away from Andre’s sloppy behavior and he had and Andrea had problems by Dre’s own admission.
2. Him and Morris had differences. They got into a physical fight on the set of Purple Rain.
3. He always had women around in his bands as musicians or dancers. Even Dez said he calmed down when women were around. Just think about the disastrous times he had with the The Time to point of having to back out of a room rather then turn his back on these guys.
4. Plenty of stories of him not getting along as well with men and he did women. Does not mean he was ready to knock dudes out or was giving them a hard time.

laurarichardson said:

RJOrion said:

@laurarichardson

...i never said anything about "marriage" to Kirk...you are implying things...and possibly projecting things...Sheila E. was NEVER Paisly Park Manager/Superintendent...Sheila E. never made it past backup drummer/part-time jump-off...Kirk graduated from backup dancer to keeper of Prince's most prized possesions...which were Paisley Park and Prince himself...now, whatever else their relationship entailed, is none of your knowledge or mine...im just doing the math...

'Certainly the closest, most constant relationship of his life....'

You typed that so what do you think anyone would think by that statement?

I never said Sheila E was "Paisly Park Manager/Superintendent" not that much was going on when Kirk took over and he came off as a moron on CBS.

Sheila E was a drummer, band director, co-writer, and talent scout. To me those are a lot of roles and she was responsible for bringing in the Oakland/SF bay area people to his band.

The average person outside of the Prince community would not know Kirk if they saw him walking down the street.

just becuase Kirk Johnson didnt meet your, or the "average person's, criteria for celbrity status, doesnt disprove the trust and loyalty Prince had for him...

'Certainly the closest, most constant relationship of his life" was not my comment (scroll back)..you spend so much time and energy online bickering about stuff you dont know for sure, that youre confusing screen names...but no harm, no foul...

Sheila E?...please...i dont even know why you brought her into the conversation...i never said you said she was NEVER paisley park manager (like Kirk is/was)...slow down, Laura, you're zeal to blindly defend P are clouding your vision

laura, you keep quoting "plenty of stories about him not getting along with men" and ignoring actual facts and rendering excuses, based on your own personal projections... there are also "plenty of stories" about him not getting along with women too, in fact there was a couple of movies about the same shit (in case you missed them whilst typing)... please stop acting like you are the foremost authority on Prince's life and dick manuevers...its not a good look...the whole org has taken notice...

laurarichardson said:

RJOrion said:

@laurarichardson

...i never said anything about "marriage" to Kirk...you are implying things...and possibly projecting things...Sheila E. was NEVER Paisly Park Manager/Superintendent...Sheila E. never made it past backup drummer/part-time jump-off...Kirk graduated from backup dancer to keeper of Prince's most prized possesions...which were Paisley Park and Prince himself...now, whatever else their relationship entailed, is none of your knowledge or mine...im just doing the math...

'Certainly the closest, most constant relationship of his life....'

You typed that so what do you think anyone would think by that statement?

I never said Sheila E held a role like "Paisly Park Manager/Superintendent" not that much was going on when Kirk took over.

Sheila E was a drummer, band director, co-writer, and talent scout. To me those are a lot of roles and she was responsible for bringing in the Oakland/SF bay area people to his band.

The average person outside of the Prince community would not know Kirk if they saw him walking down the street.

[Edited 6/12/17 8:51am]

Actually, I wrote that, Laura, pay attention. And as food for thought let me paint you an imperfect picture of a time when it wasn't safe, cool, accepted or considered even remotely 'normal' for a man to be attracted to other men. Once upon a time those men frequently, almost reflexively, surrounded thmselves with women to deflect 'talk' and held back from any closeness to men to perhaps avoid temptation and help control their attractions/urges. This closeted dance was greatly intensified in communities of color...and when you stir in adherence to the more extreme strains of conservative Christianity you have a toxic brew of denial, isolation and pain.

However, I agree with OJOrion's observations re P and men and would add that fame, money (and its attendant control over others) and already being 'out there' with his clothing, makeup and overall presentation gave Prince more latitude than others in the black/religious comunity and an almost perfect protective coloration re the yearnings of his heart. A 30 plus year relationship/association is no small thing. Have some compassion...and respect.