PurpleDiamonds1 said:

So the Watson 353 could have come from Dr S or Andrews backpack... Whoever brought those to P had to have known they were bad pills and was careful handling them because no one else was sick or dead except Prince.

So you think Andrew wanted to murder a man he never met, face the death penalty for premeditated murder, and get caught red handed at the murder scene?

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

zenarose said:

Im wondering the same thing. Whatever they were....they were not prescribed to Prince. In the search warrants re items found does not mention any scripts with P's name on them whether or not controlled substances. Dr S stated that he prescribed "to Prince scripts that were not controlled to be picked up at Walgreens". Where are those scripts? They were not found.

Yes ... Agree where were those scripts? Nothing is on the warrants stating they were found

If they were not controlled substances there would be no need for the police to confiscate them, and there would be no reason to list them in a search warrant.

There is no indication KirkyJ was given a script on the 20th.

The search warrant states they could only find 1 script for KirkyJ in the Minnesota registry.

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes ... Agree where were those scripts? Nothing is on the warrants stating they were found

If they were not controlled substances there would be no need for the police to confiscate them, and there would be no reason to list them in a search warrant.

There is no indication KirkyJ was given a script on the 20th.

The search warrant states they could only find 1 script for KirkyJ in the Minnesota registry.

[/quote Ok ISLUJAG Humor me for just my thought. For my reasoning on this I have to put my"investigator hat"on. If I were a detective working on this case, I would gather all the meds,ect because I don't know how they relate to this case but they may have some bearing and might be a clue as to what happened. Finding and gathering all information would put me ahead of the game when it comes to interviewing/interrogating suspects and witnesses and it would aid in determining the deception or straight forwardness of each person. I know that I have to be thorough, overly so as I can't go back it's my one shot while it's hot! If LE did not collect all the evidence I'd like to know why. There is nothing in the SW....but why?? Maybe Im just too meticulous, I just build my cases strong and once Im finished...."I own them". Just a different perspective. 😊

But Dr. S went so far as to issue a press releash stating that he wrote pain meds for Kirk. Kirk said Dr. S wrote the pain med for Prince. We did not get a date on when this pain med Rx was written by I am going to assume this all took place on the 20th when the doctor said he wrote those other Rxs for Prince under Kirk's name even if the pain pills were written on the 7th why did Prince have problems on the plane and supposely tell the doctors in Moline he took two percocets.

Would two percocets make a person with ( orger words not mine) with such a high tolerence o.d?

Why did he not take the real pills if he had them on the plane and if they were really for Kirk what is wrong with him that he needs to take pain pills?

It does not make any sense and I am sure the police have looked at all pills, assumed names and medical files to piece the story together.

PennyPurple said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said: Penny ...if Andrew brought the laced pills and planted them in PP they would no longer be in his backpack. Remember they don't know who or how those pills got placed where they did.

OH for God's sake. Stop accusing innocent people. This is the kind of crap that ruins an innocents person career.

Andrew is guilty of bringing controlled substances across state lines. He is not a doctor and if Dr. S did not have the creditials to give Prince the suboxone who was going to do it? Andrew I assume so he would have been in even more trouble.

Not to mention no one in that building would have known what Prince ingested the night before. Just incompetence on everybody's part for being involved.

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

If they were not controlled substances there would be no need for the police to confiscate them, and there would be no reason to list them in a search warrant.

There is no indication KirkyJ was given a script on the 20th.

The search warrant states they could only find 1 script for KirkyJ in the Minnesota registry.

[/quote Ok ISLUJAG Humor me for just my thought. For my reasoning on this I have to put my"investigator hat"on. If I were a detective working on this case, I would gather all the meds,ect because I don't know how they relate to this case but they may have some bearing and might be a clue as to what happened. Finding and gathering all information would put me ahead of the game when it comes to interviewing/interrogating suspects and witnesses and it would aid in determining the deception or straight forwardness of each person. I know that I have to be thorough, overly so as I can't go back it's my one shot while it's hot! If LE did not collect all the evidence I'd like to know why. There is nothing in the SW....but why?? Maybe Im just too meticulous, I just build my cases strong and once Im finished...."I own them". Just a different perspective. 😊

But Dr. S went so far as to issue a press releash stating that he wrote pain meds for Kirk. Kirk said Dr. S wrote the pain med for Prince. We did not get a date on when this pain med Rx was written by I am going to assume this all took place on the 20th when the doctor said he wrote those other Rxs for Prince under Kirk's name even if the pain pills were written on the 7th why did Prince have problems on the plane and supposely tell the doctors in Moline he took two percocets.

Would two percocets make a person with ( orger words not mine) with such a high tolerence o.d?

Why did he not take the real pills if he had them on the plane and if they were really for Kirk what is wrong with him that he needs to take pain pills?

It does not make any sense and I am sure the police have looked at all pills, assumed names and medical files to piece the story together.

Bolded:
1. Exactly-the script could've been written at an earler date even, but not filled until the 20th (it's possible), fact is we don't know when the script WAS FILLED

2.To clarify: KJ is the one who stated Prince "took one or two pills"

3. NO! ...actually, hell no. ESPECIALLY if Prince supposedly had a high tolerance. Which gives me pause and I have a reason to believe what he OD'd on the plane was not the Percocet prescribed by Dr.S, but possibly the Fentanyl laced pills. We don't know the amounts of Fentanyl that was in the tested pills. We don't know how many pills P took to quantify the absurd amount of Fentanyl found in his system, either.

But that brings me to a point I made here some time ago: if Prince ingested Fentanyl at all on the plane, he would have been dead by the time the plane landed. I don't care that he got two Narcan doses on the tarmac - if there is someone here with a medical background who can dispute that, please do. I am willing to listen to anything at this point. That plane didn't land immediately, and he was out cold.

moonsister said:

disch said:

That seems the most likely scenario based on the facts that are publicly known (at least on the state level)

Thank you Perry Mason.

That is what you can do if you can read.

1Sasha said:

But that brings me to a point I made here some time ago: if Prince ingested Fentanyl at all on the plane, he would have been dead by the time the plane landed. I don't care that he got two Narcan doses on the tarmac - if there is someone here with a medical background who can dispute that, please do. I am willing to listen to anything at this point. That plane didn't land immediately, and he was out cold.

Not necessarily. Again, we don't know the amounts of Fentanyl that were in each pill.

1Sasha said:

But that brings me to a point I made here some time ago: if Prince ingested Fentanyl at all on the plane, he would have been dead by the time the plane landed. I don't care that he got two Narcan doses on the tarmac - if there is someone here with a medical background who can dispute that, please do. I am willing to listen to anything at this point. That plane didn't land immediately, and he was out cold.

If you listen to the distress call it took 20 minutes for the time the call was made to the tower to come down and land. We have no idea how long it took to bring him around by 20 minutes is a long time to be unreponsive in a life threating manner. I have asked before could he have been unreponsive with from a seizure and just given the Narcan because people on the plane believed he had taken something and told the EMT what they belived they knew.

Thanks for your answers.

PennyPurple said:

I am thinking back to a rock star who ODed on heroin in 2001 - he was in a coma for two weeks, woke up and apparently did not suffer any terrible side effects. Narcan wasn't available back then. He plays to this day. So Prince did not stop breathing - he was "simply" unconscious - and the Narcan brought him out of whatever had happened. He also suffered no apparent side effects. If he had had a seizure, why didn't he come out of it without Narcan? Again, I do not have a medical background so these questions might seem stupid to some, but I can only reconcile what happened with a drug reaction.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes ... Agree where were those scripts? Nothing is on the warrants stating they were found

If they were not controlled substances there would be no need for the police to confiscate them, and there would be no reason to list them in a search warrant.

There is no indication KirkyJ was given a script on the 20th.

The search warrant states they could only find 1 script for KirkyJ in the Minnesota registry.

[/quote Ok ISLUJAG Humor me for just my thought. For my reasoning on this I have to put my"investigator hat"on. If I were a detective working on this case, I would gather all the meds,ect because I don't know how they relate to this case but they may have some bearing and might be a clue as to what happened. Finding and gathering all information would put me ahead of the game when it comes to interviewing/interrogating suspects and witnesses and it would aid in determining the deception or straight forwardness of each person. I know that I have to be thorough, overly so as I can't go back it's my one shot while it's hot! If LE did not collect all the evidence I'd like to know why. There is nothing in the SW....but why?? Maybe Im just too meticulous, I just build my cases strong and once Im finished...."I own them". Just a different perspective. 😊

I messed up in my response above Zena.

They did list on the search warrant a Vitamin D2 script in Kirk's name, and a script for Ondansetron in Kirk's name. Those were probably the non controlled scripts.

[Edited 5/25/17 12:25pm]

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney who represented the musician’s half-brother and half-sister in litigation previously – some against Prince himself.

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“The way it was described to me was that, yes, it was something that was consistent use,” Padden said.

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Prince’s siblings had mentioned his drug use in the course of conversation, unrelated to litigation, suggesting he had used cocaine and Percocet since the 1980s.

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“It wasn’t just casual,” Padden said. “Something I want to make clear: Prince used because it’d make him a better performer; he wasn’t doing it just for kicks.”

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http://www.irishtimes.com...-1.2631019

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

The "Kirk is a murderer because he wanted Judith" theory" is

-- Nobody say that was a theory on why someone would kill. People kill people all the time for nut so reason as killing people is nuts. Throw in a lady and all sorts of things can happen.

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If you recall the singer, Selena who was murdered by her assistant. She never saw it coming; she was good friends with her. Sometimes people will do terrible things in a fit of rage, whether it is stemmed from jealousy/fame/wealth or whatever......a split-second fit or rage; meaning it was not pre-meditated. I happens every day in this world.

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[Edited 5/25/17 12:32pm]

cloveringold85 said:

It is quite possible that Prince's dependency on pain pills only began to worsen in the last couple of years of his life. If that's the case, then no one would have noticed something was "off" with him. Prince admitted to taking one or two pain pills that night when they had the emergency in Moline, according to reports for the Time Tribune. Prince did not have an Rx for Percocet, but KJ did. First KJ says he did not know Prince had any addiction to opiates, then he changes his story.

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Witnesses at Prince’s death scene told investigators that the musician had been struggling with opioid abuse and withdrawal. Johnson, who was also the head of Paisley Park security, told authorities that Prince reported “not feeling well” in the hours before he died. But Johnson, despite being close to the singer since the 1980s, told investigators that he didn’t know that Prince was addicted to pain medication.

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http://www.startribune.co...419614143/

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

It is quite possible that Prince's dependency on pain pills only began to worsen in the last couple of years of his life. If that's the case, then no one would have noticed something was "off" with him. Prince admitted to taking one or two pain pills that night when they had the emergency in Moline, according to reports for the Time Tribune. Prince did not have an Rx for Percocet, but KJ did. First KJ says he did not know Prince had any addiction to opiates, then he changes his story.

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Witnesses at Prince’s death scene told investigators that the musician had been struggling with opioid abuse and withdrawal. Johnson, who was also the head of Paisley Park security, told authorities that Prince reported “not feeling well” in the hours before he died. But Johnson, despite being close to the singer since the 1980s, told investigators that he didn’t know that Prince was addicted to pain medication.

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http://www.startribune.co...419614143/

That was KJs word not Princes. KJ s word is all we have heard after Prince died and he has been inconsistent with his statements too. Saying the pills were all for P and saying He had no idea P took anything.

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Yes. Difficult to believe someone when they are always changing their story.

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Now, how does that saying go......."Telling the truth is easy because you don't have to remember what you said".........When you tell lies, you better have a good memory!!

cloveringold85 said:

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

But Dr. S went so far as to issue a press releash stating that he wrote pain meds for Kirk. Kirk said Dr. S wrote the pain med for Prince. We did not get a date on when this pain med Rx was written by I am going to assume this all took place on the 20th when the doctor said he wrote those other Rxs for Prince under Kirk's name even if the pain pills were written on the 7th why did Prince have problems on the plane and supposely tell the doctors in Moline he took two percocets.

Would two percocets make a person with ( orger words not mine) with such a high tolerence o.d?

Why did he not take the real pills if he had them on the plane and if they were really for Kirk what is wrong with him that he needs to take pain pills?

It does not make any sense and I am sure the police have looked at all pills, assumed names and medical files to piece the story together.

Bolded:
1. Exactly-the script could've been written at an earler date even, but not filled until the 20th (it's possible), fact is we don't know when the script WAS FILLED

2.To clarify: KJ is the one who stated Prince "took one or two pills"

3. NO! ...actually, hell no. ESPECIALLY if Prince supposedly had a high tolerance. Which gives me pause and I have a reason to believe what he OD'd on the plane was not the Percocet prescribed by Dr.S, but possibly the Fentanyl laced pills. We don't know the amounts of Fentanyl that was in the tested pills. We don't know how many pills P took to quantify the absurd amount of Fentanyl found in his system, either.

I went back and re-read the 6/8 search warrant and it indicated that the doctor who treated Prince stated that it was an opiate overdose so it isn't just KJ saying that the plane incident involved opiod use.

cloveringold85 said:

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney who represented the musician’s half-brother and half-sister in litigation previously – some against Prince himself.

.

“The way it was described to me was that, yes, it was something that was consistent use,” Padden said.

.

Prince’s siblings had mentioned his drug use in the course of conversation, unrelated to litigation, suggesting he had used cocaine and Percocet since the 1980s.

.

“It wasn’t just casual,” Padden said. “Something I want to make clear: Prince used because it’d make him a better performer; he wasn’t doing it just for kicks.”

.

http://www.irishtimes.com...-1.2631019

Please understand that Duane and Lornia Nelson had outstanding debt to Michael Padden and he is using Prince's death to recoup losses. He also was a main contributor to the book Possessed which has very little credibility to many.

In other words he is a lawyer who used Prince's dead siblings to cash in on Prince's death.

Everything that has been given to the media in regards to a drug addicted Prince has been through Michael Padden who is also a regular visitor to Prince.org.

muleFunk said:

cloveringold85 said:

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney who represented the musician’s half-brother and half-sister in litigation previously – some against Prince himself.

.

“The way it was described to me was that, yes, it was something that was consistent use,” Padden said.

.

Prince’s siblings had mentioned his drug use in the course of conversation, unrelated to litigation, suggesting he had used cocaine and Percocet since the 1980s.

.

“It wasn’t just casual,” Padden said. “Something I want to make clear: Prince used because it’d make him a better performer; he wasn’t doing it just for kicks.”

.

http://www.irishtimes.com...-1.2631019

Please understand that Duane and Lornia Nelson had outstanding debt to Michael Padden and he is using Prince's death to recoup losses. He also was a main contributor to the book Possessed which has very little credibility to many.

In other words he is a lawyer who used Prince's dead siblings to cash in on Prince's death.

Everything that has been given to the media in regards to a drug addicted Prince has been through Michael Padden who is also a regular visitor to Prince.org.

You are correct MuleFunk and I am surprised he is being quoted on the org.

What is his handle on the org?

leec1 said:

What happened on that plane and April 21,2017 was two seperate incidents .

This must be understood as such.

muleFunk said:

cloveringold85 said:

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney who represented the musician’s half-brother and half-sister in litigation previously – some against Prince himself.

.

“The way it was described to me was that, yes, it was something that was consistent use,” Padden said.

.

Prince’s siblings had mentioned his drug use in the course of conversation, unrelated to litigation, suggesting he had used cocaine and Percocet since the 1980s.

.

“It wasn’t just casual,” Padden said. “Something I want to make clear: Prince used because it’d make him a better performer; he wasn’t doing it just for kicks.”

.

http://www.irishtimes.com...-1.2631019

Please understand that Duane and Lornia Nelson had outstanding debt to Michael Padden and he is using Prince's death to recoup losses. He also was a main contributor to the book Possessed which has very little credibility to many.

In other words he is a lawyer who used Prince's dead siblings to cash in on Prince's death.

Everything that has been given to the media in regards to a drug addicted Prince has been through Michael Padden who is also a regular visitor to Prince.org.

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Yes, I take what he said with a grain of salt.

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said:

I went back and re-read the 6/8 search warrant and it indicated that the doctor who treated Prince stated that it was an opiate overdose so it isn't just KJ saying that the plane incident involved opiod use.

Do you think two percocets caused a overdose?

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I was interested also, so I looked it up:

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The vast majority of drug poisoning deaths are unintentional. There are a lot of different reasons why someone might accidentally overdose on Percocet. First, the oxycodone in Percocet creates a physical tolerance over time. After taking Percocet for an extended period, you may no longer be getting adequate pain relief from your prescribed dose and need more to achieve analgesic effect. But it only takes one or two extra pills to overdose on the acetaminophen in Percocet, even thought the amount of oxycodone is likely to still be safe. So, increasing the frequency or amount of medication each day is an easy way to unintentionally overdose on Percocet.

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http://prescription-drug....cet-to-od/