1Sasha said:

Where did these detailed results come from? Frankly, they look like he swallowed a whole bottle, but then Fentanyl is deadly in small amounts. But those numbers give me great pause, if they are accurate.

Because when they make the fake Watson's or whatever. The way they mix the drugs, doesn't come out equal. Some may have a little, some may have a lot, some may not even have any. That's why these street drugs are so dangerous. Heck for all we know they could mix rat poison in.

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He could've taken 1 fake pill and it didn't have the fentanyl in it, the next pill he took, could've been nothing but the fentanyl.

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The fact is he had these illegal drugs in his possession. In several different places in PP.

PennyPurple said:

kmama07 said:

zenarose said:

Documents can be falsified just the same as verbal statements. There have been and continue to be many contradictions. From witness statements to LE reports to court filings. We cannot just accept things at face value. We are lied to every day about many things and we are expected to just accept it and move on without question, we are expected to keep on walking and ignore everything happening around us. I'm NOT going to do that. I am not going to live in a "dumbed down" state. I'm not believing the lies and deception. The Prince was a drug addict and had drugs hid all over his house, just ain't gettin' it for me. That is exactly what we are expected to believe.

I understand what you are getting at. So the frustration, if that is true , is:
Why then aren't his people/camp saying otherwise...and going out of their way to make sure people know that wasn't the case?

zenarose said:

kmama07 said:

I understand what you are getting at. So the frustration, if that is true , is: Why then aren't his people/camp saying otherwise...and going out of their way to make sure people know that wasn't the case?

The fact is that we have no facts about anything. We don't KNOW if he was addicted to drugs. We don't KNOW if he had drugs hidden all over PP. We don't KNOW if he committed suicide. We don't KNOW if he was murdered. We don't KNOW if he is dead. We don't KNOW ANYTHING. All we can do is accept what has been reported as the truth and move on or question everything and uncover the truth, whatever it is, good bad or ugly. It is very evident that we cannot rely on media that gives false information and never retracts anything and officially unofficial unknown sources that are never named. I'm not being difficult I just want to find the truth. So far nothing is believable.

It's believable that he was in pain. It's believable that he then took pain killers. It's believable that he then needed higher doses to combat that pain. It's believable that he became dependant on those pills and couldn't kick them. It's belivable that in order to get enough of them to cover the tolerance he got hold of some illegal pills. It's believable that some of those were from a bad batch and laced with fentanyl.

Is it the truth? I don't know 100% but it's certainly believable.

Last night, I was home, listening to the Hits and B-sides set, and it hit me that Prince was really dead. I know that sounds strange, but it felt for me like the first time in the past 13 months that I actually physically felt his absence. I haven't been in denial, but I think all of the questions surrounding his death have kept me unbalanced, if you will. I just want to know the truth. I don't care what it is. Just give it to me - and to us - straight.

kmama07 said:

Right. Which is why it is frustrating that for all the "no way would he do that, someone is setting him up, etc" talk, there is no one in his family/friends camp trying to prove otherwise which leads me to believe those around him absolutely knew the deal. Perhaps not the fentanyl being in the drugs, but the fact he was dependent and had been for quite some time.

Yes, I also believe the family knew as well as the close co-workers.

zenarose said:

kmama07 said:

I understand what you are getting at. So the frustration, if that is true , is: Why then aren't his people/camp saying otherwise...and going out of their way to make sure people know that wasn't the case?

The fact is that we have no facts about anything. We don't KNOW if he was addicted to drugs. We don't KNOW if he had drugs hidden all over PP. We don't KNOW if he committed suicide. We don't KNOW if he was murdered. We don't KNOW if he is dead. We don't KNOW ANYTHING. All we can do is accept what has been reported as the truth and move on or question everything and uncover the truth, whatever it is, good bad or ugly. It is very evident that we cannot rely on media that gives false information and never retracts anything and officially unofficial unknown sources that are never named. I'm not being difficult I just want to find the truth. So far nothing is believable.

Well we do have facts, he is dead, he did have illegal pills all over PP and his death wasn't ruled a suicide.

I agree. They knew.

TheEnglishGent said:

zenarose said:

kmama07 said: The fact is that we have no facts about anything. We don't KNOW if he was addicted to drugs. We don't KNOW if he had drugs hidden all over PP. We don't KNOW if he committed suicide. We don't KNOW if he was murdered. We don't KNOW if he is dead. We don't KNOW ANYTHING. All we can do is accept what has been reported as the truth and move on or question everything and uncover the truth, whatever it is, good bad or ugly. It is very evident that we cannot rely on media that gives false information and never retracts anything and officially unofficial unknown sources that are never named. I'm not being difficult I just want to find the truth. So far nothing is believable.

It's believable that he was in pain. It's believable that he then took pain killers. It's believable that he then needed higher doses to combat that pain. It's believable that he became dependant on those pills and couldn't kick them. It's belivable that in order to get enough of them to cover the tolerance he got hold of some illegal pills. It's believable that some of those were from a bad batch and laced with fentanyl.

Is it the truth? I don't know 100% but it's certainly believable.

Very believable.

Agreed. Plus a number of facts have not been reported by the media but have come directly from official government sources: the medical examiner (autopsy report), law enforcement (the warrant reports), and the state government (the death certificate). If someone rejects these sources, along with all reports so far from journalists, etc., then it's hard for me to picture what source they would find believable or convincing.

PennyPurple said:

TheEnglishGent said:

It's believable that he was in pain. It's believable that he then took pain killers. It's believable that he then needed higher doses to combat that pain. It's believable that he became dependant on those pills and couldn't kick them. It's belivable that in order to get enough of them to cover the tolerance he got hold of some illegal pills. It's believable that some of those were from a bad batch and laced with fentanyl.

Is it the truth? I don't know 100% but it's certainly believable.

Very believable.

TheEnglishGent said:

What's an example of a source of info that you would find convincing, though? All the info we have is mitigated through some source -- whether the government, the media, other associates/friends/witnesses, whatever.

zenarose said:

There is always the question " but what if" ? Things are not always so cut and dried or as they seem to be. My mind is awake and open to many scenarios. I can't make a decision based on facts due to all the contradictions. If there are folks that think they know what has occurred and are happy and satisfied with that, then good for them. If there are folks that question the validity to any or all the information, then they should continue in their pursuit of the truth. It is just a difference of opinion and difference in perspectives. Im glad that there are those that still have questions and are loud about it. Otherwise Prince would be forgotten and labeled forever for being another rock star that od'd and folks would be ok with that. I'm not ok with that and so I ask what if??

zenarose said:

There is always the question " but what if" ? Things are not always so cut and dried or as they seem to be. My mind is awake and open to many scenarios. I can't make a decision based on facts due to all the contradictions. If there are folks that think they know what has occurred and are happy and satisfied with that, then good for them. If there are folks that question the validity to any or all the information, then they should continue in their pursuit of the truth. It is just a difference of opinion and difference in perspectives. Im glad that there are those that still have questions and are loud about it. Otherwise Prince would be forgotten and labeled forever for being another rock star that od'd and folks would be ok with that. I'm not ok with that and so I ask what if??

I've got questions. I was only responding to you saying that 'nothing is believable', by giving a very believable scenario based on the details we've had.

For me, it would start by releasing the full autopsy report. Once that was out, a "ME for hire" - such as Dr. Michael Baden - could state what he thinks the results mean. Then Dr. Drew could weigh in from his perspective. After that, I would want the timeline from Atlanta to Chanhassen - account for everything he did, everyone he came in contact with. Most especially, I would want April 20 detailed basically minute by minute. I don't think he died on the 21st, but if there are communications from him to the outside world early on the 21st, then I am wrong. But there are simply too many questions for me to accept a cut-and-dried scenario of "he od'ed and he died." No, not working for me.

1Sasha said:

For me, it would start by releasing the full autopsy report. Once that was out, a "ME for hire" - such as Dr. Michael Baden - could state what he thinks the results mean. Then Dr. Drew could weigh in from his perspective. After that, I would want the timeline from Atlanta to Chanhassen - account for everything he did, everyone he came in contact with. Most especially, I would want April 20 detailed basically minute by minute. I don't think he died on the 21st, but if there are communications from him to the outside world early on the 21st, then I am wrong. But there are simply too many questions for me to accept a cut-and-dried scenario of "he od'ed and he died." No, not working for me.

Wasn't there an email either to Will Smith, or from Will Smith?

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

For me, it would start by releasing the full autopsy report. Once that was out, a "ME for hire" - such as Dr. Michael Baden - could state what he thinks the results mean. Then Dr. Drew could weigh in from his perspective. After that, I would want the timeline from Atlanta to Chanhassen - account for everything he did, everyone he came in contact with. Most especially, I would want April 20 detailed basically minute by minute. I don't think he died on the 21st, but if there are communications from him to the outside world early on the 21st, then I am wrong. But there are simply too many questions for me to accept a cut-and-dried scenario of "he od'ed and he died." No, not working for me.

Wasn't there an email either to Will Smith, or from Will Smith?

I htought they spoke on the phone.

TheEnglishGent said:

PennyPurple said:

Wasn't there an email either to Will Smith, or from Will Smith?

I htought they spoke on the phone.

That could be, I was just trying to remember back.

I thought it was on the phone, but Will Smith has never said who called whom, what they spoke about, what time the contact was initiated ... no facts given to the public. Maybe he has spoken with investigators, but we don't know that.

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

Where did these detailed results come from? Frankly, they look like he swallowed a whole bottle, but then Fentanyl is deadly in small amounts. But those numbers give me great pause, if they are accurate.

Because when they make the fake Watson's or whatever. The way they mix the drugs, doesn't come out equal. Some may have a little, some may have a lot, some may not even have any. That's why these street drugs are so dangerous. Heck for all we know they could mix rat poison in.

.

He could've taken 1 fake pill and it didn't have the fentanyl in it, the next pill he took, could've been nothing but the fentanyl.

.

The fact is he had these illegal drugs in his possession. In several different places in PP.

They were in his personal living quarters and the lanudry room the building is 65k square foot buidling so pills were not all over. This is the media taking a tidbit of information and blowing out of proportion.

PennyPurple said:

miamibaby said:

Bassette said: You're right basset, it was 3

How would you know? You've not been on here longer then a month...unless you're someone else....

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And then you have to wonder why anybody would call Paisley Park, when Prince died? Did they think they'd get an answer?

Didn't OliviaC call PP? Maybe I had her mixed up with someone else. Who got the call from the investigator?

1Sasha said:

Didn't OliviaC call PP? Maybe I had her mixed up with someone else. Who got the call from the investigator?

It was a poster name justme2u.

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Olivia said she didn't remember if she called PP or not, but she was going to send the detective working on the case a letter..........

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I actually think that here recently Olivia said she called KJ, and left a message on his voicemail, she got his number off of one of the warrants.

[Edited 5/23/17 10:59am]

1Sasha said:

disch said:

kmama07 said:

1Sasha said:

Last night, I was home, listening to the Hits and B-sides set, and it hit me that Prince was really dead. I know that sounds strange, but it felt for me like the first time in the past 13 months that I actually physically felt his absence. I haven't been in denial, but I think all of the questions surrounding his death have kept me unbalanced, if you will. I just want to know the truth. I don't care what it is. Just give it to me - and to us - straight.

I saw the Revolution in Detroit this past weekend. It was the first time I really "felt" it. They are wonderful musicians, and an incredibly tight band. But there was something about Prince that elevated things to the next level. It was difficult at times to watch as It really dawned on me for the first time I'd never see him perform again.

I so wanted to see them, but couldn't get off work to drive the two hours to the closest venue. The finality of losing him ... It is hard to accept.

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

Didn't OliviaC call PP? Maybe I had her mixed up with someone else. Who got the call from the investigator?

It was a poster name justme2u.

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Olivia said she didn't remember if she called PP or not, but she was going to send the detective working on the case a letter..........

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I actually think that here recently Olivia said she called KJ, and left a message on his voicemail, she got his number off of one of the warrants.

[Edited 5/23/17 10:59am]

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

1Sasha said:

Where did these detailed results come from? Frankly, they look like he swallowed a whole bottle, but then Fentanyl is deadly in small amounts. But those numbers give me great pause, if they are accurate.

My thoughts exactly, 1sasha

zenarose said:

kmama07 said:

I understand what you are getting at. So the frustration, if that is true , is: Why then aren't his people/camp saying otherwise...and going out of their way to make sure people know that wasn't the case?

The fact is that we have no facts about anything. We don't KNOW if he was addicted to drugs. We don't KNOW if he had drugs hidden all over PP. We don't KNOW if he committed suicide. We don't KNOW if he was murdered. We don't KNOW if he is dead. We don't KNOW ANYTHING. All we can do is accept what has been reported as the truth and move on or question everything and uncover the truth, whatever it is, good bad or ugly. It is very evident that we cannot rely on media that gives false information and never retracts anything and officially unofficial unknown sources that are never named. I'm not being difficult I just want to find the truth. So far nothing is believable.

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