herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: Prince was not like Rick James he was not throwing joints into the audience and promoting drugs use. Not sure why people want destroy his legacy with this nonsense.

Why do you keep posting this like you have a personal stake in Prince's reputation? Nobody is doing that (except for some shitty tabloids but that's what they do). If anything, Prince's death has not only helped call attention to the opiod problem but his legacy and reputation have actually gained in stature.

Herb 4: Rumor has it that LR has been arrogant and insufferabe ever since Prince named that album in honor of her/him...you know the one...Chaos and Disorder.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I think we can all rest easy about the idea that his "legacy will be/has been ruined" by his struggle with addiction.

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he was the #1 selling artist last year, the purple rain LP seems to be doing well so far, and the tributes have poured in for him -- not just on award shows and the like, but from individuals -- have been incredibly respectful and heartfelt.

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As has been discussed many times here, the idea that the general public rejects and adandons rock musician who have addiction struggles is just not borne out by history, and it's not borne out by what's happened with Prince over the past year.

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: Prince was not like Rick James he was not throwing joints into the audience and promoting drugs use. Not sure why people want destroy his legacy with this nonsense.

Why do you keep posting this like you have a personal stake in Prince's reputation? Nobody is doing that (except for some shitty tabloids but that's what they do). If anything, Prince's death has not only helped call attention to the opiod problem but his legacy and reputation have actually gained in stature.

disch said:

I think we can all rest easy about the idea that his "legacy will be/has been ruined" by his struggle with addiction.

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he was the #1 selling artist last year, the purple rain LP seems to be doing well so far, and the tributes have poured in for him -- not just on award shows and the like, but from individuals -- have been incredibly respectful and heartfelt.

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As has been discussed many times here, the idea that the general public rejects and adandons rock musician who have addiction struggles is just not borne out by history, and it's not borne out by what's happened with Prince over the past year.

herb4 said:

Why do you keep posting this like you have a personal stake in Prince's reputation? Nobody is doing that (except for some shitty tabloids but that's what they do). If anything, Prince's death has not only helped call attention to the opiod problem but his legacy and reputation have actually gained in stature.

Thank you for this...and I will repeat until I drop...if Prince were here he would want us to be compassionate to those struggling with physical and emotional pain. The best way to honor him is to practice what he preached: Love4OneAnother.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Sadly, for LR, Prince didn’t vaporize into heaven at the height of his physical beauty, artistic achievements and global popularity so we are left to process what DID happen, in all its shocking, messy, humanity.

To insist that Prince should be remembered only for his work ethic, creativity and the joy he brought countless millions is ignoring reality. We all wish the narrative was different, but in fact, Prince was the only one who could have made the story end differently.

Rather than deny and banish the image of Prince choosing to put deadly street drugs into his body, we should strive to lovingly put that act in context so it doesn’t overwhelm the true and uplifting arc of his prolific genius.

That way, his art will not have been in vain…and neither will his death.

This type of crap proves my point. Do you know he sold out the Oracle arena in Feb 2016 there was nothing wrong about his popularity but you do not know that because you want to carry on about pain pills all day. Here is s news flash maybe he was using them because he had pain. Just a thought he had gone to see a doctor and obtained a legit RX. That Doctor is still practicing medicine and the person who helped him get the legit script is free as a bird. Don't you think that might give you a clue that something else is going on with investigation beyond drugged out rock star. A can count a half dozen laws have been broken and yet no charges. Think about it for a minute. [Edited 6/26/17 9:27am]

Prince was a functioning addict. He was in pain for many years. He had surgery in late 2009 on one hip only because of a situation. He does not have a credit card. Someone got those drugs for him and I doubt he knew they were illegal or fentanyl. He would take a lot of pills to manage pain. He may have stashed if he forgot where he put them. PP is a large place. Doubtful it was suicide or anything else but someone getting the wrong stuff. On accident or on purpose.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

Why do you keep posting this like you have a personal stake in Prince's reputation? Nobody is doing that (except for some shitty tabloids but that's what they do). If anything, Prince's death has not only helped call attention to the opiod problem but his legacy and reputation have actually gained in stature.

Herb 4: Rumor has it that LR has been arrogant and insufferabe ever since Prince named that album in honor of her/him...you know the one...Chaos and Disorder.

It is my opinion. You do not have to like it. It does not make me arrogant because you do not like my point of view. In fact you should think about how that makes you look.

prizefight said:

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Prince was a functioning addict. He was in pain for many years. He had surgery in late 2009 on one hip only because of a situation. He does not have a credit card. Someone got those drugs for him and I doubt he knew they were illegal or fentanyl. He would take a lot of pills to manage pain. He may have stashed if he forgot where he put them. PP is a large place. Doubtful it was suicide or anything else but someone getting the wrong stuff. On accident or on purpose.

I thought he had more than one scar. On purpose you mean someone slipped them to him because you need to be careful that is not the narrative some people on this board want to hear. In their mind all was sunny in Princeland.

laurarichardson said:

prizefight said:

I thought he had more than one scar. On purpose you mean someone slipped them to him because you need to be careful that is not the narrative some people on this board want to hear. In their mind all was sunny in Princeland.

just one scar on one hip. i think his other hip went out

prizefight said:

laurarichardson said:

just one scar on one hip. i think his other hip went out

I thought he had one scar down his right leg and another going down his left and a scar from his knee down to his ankle. I will have to go back and check. It just seemed pretty extensive too me.

In addtion, Scott Baldwin his engineer said Prince was in a lot of pain during the Musicology tour. Kind of takes me back to him being dependent on these meds while eveyone just skips over his medical problems.

The autopsy summary listed 2 scars: "scar, left hip; scar, right lower leg"

laurarichardson said:

prizefight said:

just one scar on one hip. i think his other hip went out

I thought he had one scar down his right leg and another going down his left and a scar from his knee down to his ankle. I will have to go back and check. It just seemed pretty extensive too me.

In addtion, Scott Baldwin his engineer said Prince was in a lot of pain during the Musicology tour. Kind of takes me back to him being dependent on these meds while eveyone just skips over his medical problems.

laurarichardson said:

prizefight said:

just one scar on one hip. i think his other hip went out

I thought he had one scar down his right leg and another going down his left and a scar from his knee down to his ankle. I will have to go back and check. It just seemed pretty extensive too me.

In addtion, Scott Baldwin his engineer said Prince was in a lot of pain during the Musicology tour. Kind of takes me back to him being dependent on these meds while eveyone just skips over his medical problems.

Yes. He was in great pain. and it seems it got worse again in 2013/14

Been wondering about the right lower leg because Kevin Smith said he told him he could not stand up because of his knee when Kevin was working on the Rainbow Children doc.

I just think he was dealing with muliple issues.

disch said:

The autopsy summary listed 2 scars: "scar, left hip; scar, right lower leg"

laurarichardson said:

I thought he had one scar down his right leg and another going down his left and a scar from his knee down to his ankle. I will have to go back and check. It just seemed pretty extensive too me.

In addtion, Scott Baldwin his engineer said Prince was in a lot of pain during the Musicology tour. Kind of takes me back to him being dependent on these meds while eveyone just skips over his medical problems.

laurarichardson said:

Been wondering about the right lower leg because Kevin Smith said he told him he could not stand up because of his knee when Kevin was working on the Rainbow Children doc.

I just think he was dealing with muliple issues.

disch said:

The autopsy summary listed 2 scars: "scar, left hip; scar, right lower leg"

He sprained his ankle at one point but it's always been the hips and that will mess with knees ankles and the lot. Overcompensation and heels don't help either.

Kevin Smith didn't say Prince couldn't stand up. Kevin quoted Prince as telling him (Kevin) that knee pain would prevent him (Prince) from doing one Q&A for that Rainbow Children doc:

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Here's the quote (you can read the whole thing here):

"So the next day, [Prince's] like, "I'm not gonna be able to do it.
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I've got a show to do at the St. Paul Excel Arena. I'm gonna do a night show and my leg hurts, so I won't do the q and a."
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I said, "Why does your leg hurt?"

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He said, "Something with my knee."

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And I was like, "Do you think it's because you always wear heels?"
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He said , "What?"

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I said , "Maybe your knee wouldn't hurt if you wore sneakers."
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He goes, "It's not about sneakers.""

laurarichardson said:

Been wondering about the right lower leg because Kevin Smith said he told him he could not stand up because of his knee when Kevin was working on the Rainbow Children doc.

I just think he was dealing with muliple issues.

disch said:

The autopsy summary listed 2 scars: "scar, left hip; scar, right lower leg"

[Edited 6/26/17 18:11pm]

sometimes they take bone/tissue from another part of the body to put in the hip.

its all realted though

disch said:

Kevin Smith didn't say Prince couldn't stand up. Kevin quoted Prince as telling him (Kevin) that knee pain would prevent him (Prince) from doing a Q&A for the documentary Prince hired Kevin to film:

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Here's the quote (you can read the whole thing here):

"So the next day, [Prince's] like, "I'm not gonna be able to do it.
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I've got a show to do at the St. Paul Excel Arena. I'm gonna do a night show and my leg hurts, so I won't do the q and a."
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I said, "Why does your leg hurt?"

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He said, "Something with my knee."

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And I was like, "Do you think it's because you always wear heels?"
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He said , "What?"

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I said , "Maybe your knee wouldn't hurt if you wore sneakers."
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He goes, "It's not about sneakers.""

laurarichardson said:

Been wondering about the right lower leg because Kevin Smith said he told him he could not stand up because of his knee when Kevin was working on the Rainbow Children doc.

I just think he was dealing with muliple issues.

Honestly, when it comes to his physical pain level, particularly in 2016: We don't know. We know that there isn't specific evidence that he was under a doctor's care for physical pain management (and yes, I know that report of $65k medical debt but we don't know anything at all about when or for what that debt came from).

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Those scars were probably from surgery -- and ideally, surgery helps alleviate pain. Surgery doesn't always work as intended, but I also haven't seen good reason to believe it completely failed for him or worsened his problems.

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And no, I'm not interested in debating this, and I'm not "in denial" and I recognize that physical pain can be incredibly debilitating for many, many people (that comment's not directed at you prizefight; it's pre-emptive for comments that others may make). I'm saying that we just don't have any evidence of or facts about what physical pain he was or wasn't dealing with in the final weeks or months of his life.

prizefight said:

sometimes they take bone/tissue from another part of the body to put in the hip.

its all realted though

disch said:

Kevin Smith didn't say Prince couldn't stand up. Kevin quoted Prince as telling him (Kevin) that knee pain would prevent him (Prince) from doing a Q&A for the documentary Prince hired Kevin to film:

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Here's the quote (you can read the whole thing here):

"So the next day, [Prince's] like, "I'm not gonna be able to do it.
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I've got a show to do at the St. Paul Excel Arena. I'm gonna do a night show and my leg hurts, so I won't do the q and a."
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I said, "Why does your leg hurt?"

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He said, "Something with my knee."

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And I was like, "Do you think it's because you always wear heels?"
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He said , "What?"

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I said , "Maybe your knee wouldn't hurt if you wore sneakers."
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He goes, "It's not about sneakers.""

[Edited 6/26/17 18:25pm]

[Snip - luv4u]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I have an idea.

I am not being speculative.

disch said:

Honestly, when it comes to his physical pain level, particularly in 2016: We don't know. We know that there isn't specific evidence that he was under a doctor's care for physical pain management (and yes, I know that report of $65k medical debt but we don't know anything at all about when or for what that debt came from).

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Those scars were probably from surgery -- and ideally, surgery helps alleviate pain. Surgery doesn't always work as intended, but I also haven't seen good reason to believe it completely failed for him or worsened his problems.

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And no, I'm not interested in debating this, and I'm not "in denial" and I recognize that physical pain can be incredibly debilitating for many, many people (that comment's not directed at you prizefight; it's pre-emptive for comments that others may make). I'm saying that we just don't have any evidence of or facts about what physical pain he was or wasn't dealing with in the final weeks or months of his life.

prizefight said:

sometimes they take bone/tissue from another part of the body to put in the hip.

its all realted though

[Edited 6/26/17 18:25pm]

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Here is the thing that people are missing. He has 110 pills I am told that people who are prescribed these pills get a 90 day supply so he did not have an outragerous amount of pills.

The pills were found in his living quarters which I am assuming includes the laundry area. He could have left some in there mistakenly it does not mean that was a stash area.

If they said they found pills in the studios or other locations in Paisley Park I would say yes he stashing all over the place. It appears he just had pills in his living quarters. Nothing weird about that or strange. What is strange is that the police did not have to look to hard to find them especially since he had been involved in the Moline incident. The police could have come knocking at anytime on his door so I find the fact that the pills were not hidden better to be odd. It is a 65k foot facility he could hide stuff in that place that nobody could find.

You're so delusional it's untrue

https://www.theguardian.c...g-overdose !!!

For the record, the "laundry room" is next door to the room he converted to his room/spa bath. So it would have served like an additional room adjacent.

Actually, I should be more specific. You are right. I do not have first hand knowledge of last year. But if history repeats itself.....

prizefight said:

I have an idea.

I am not being speculative.

disch said:

Honestly, when it comes to his physical pain level, particularly in 2016: We don't know. We know that there isn't specific evidence that he was under a doctor's care for physical pain management (and yes, I know that report of $65k medical debt but we don't know anything at all about when or for what that debt came from).

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Those scars were probably from surgery -- and ideally, surgery helps alleviate pain. Surgery doesn't always work as intended, but I also haven't seen good reason to believe it completely failed for him or worsened his problems.

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And no, I'm not interested in debating this, and I'm not "in denial" and I recognize that physical pain can be incredibly debilitating for many, many people (that comment's not directed at you prizefight; it's pre-emptive for comments that others may make). I'm saying that we just don't have any evidence of or facts about what physical pain he was or wasn't dealing with in the final weeks or months of his life.

[Edited 6/26/17 18:25pm]

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

From Chris Cornell's own admissions about his heavy substance abuse.

But you and none of us know what Prince's issues were and once again Chris did not have a enough drugs in system to o.d and he could barely stand on that stage how does an experience drug users hardly stand loaded on drugs yet someone with Prince's high tolerence ( at least that is what you keep going on about ) do whole shows with no problems.

Prince did have a high tolerance and was able to perform with no problems.

prizefight said:

laurarichardson said:

But you and none of us know what Prince's issues were and once again Chris did not have a enough drugs in system to o.d and he could barely stand on that stage how does an experience drug users hardly stand loaded on drugs yet someone with Prince's high tolerence ( at least that is what you keep going on about ) do whole shows with no problems.

Prince did have a high tolerance and was able to perform with no problems.

Functioning addict.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MMJas said:

IMO we are disputing facts and information we know nothing about in terms of Prince. We have no idea what we took, when he took it, why he took it and if he took anything what it might have contributed toward his death. I certainly am no expert regarding opioid use, but I can say that he looked increasingly bad over the last six months of his life. Yes, he could perform, and yes he could seemingly function, but this is someone who for 40 years lived the credo "the show must go on." No matter what, he was "on." How do we know what we saw - what he presented to us - was not a continuation of the facade he had built up over decades?

DD55 said:

Lovejunky said:

In my world Laundry room is where clothes are washed....

Do you mean that in the documents outlining where the pills were found they made a mistake and meant WARDROBE ?

Or Does Laundry room MEAN Wardrobe in America....?

Where Im looking at things from...keeping pills where other people are likely to find them is ...well....something in the water if you get my drift.

Lovejunky you are so right. Back to basics. Sometimes I think we get our definitions crossed, and confusions takes hold. Sheesh, how can we discuss something went we’re not even speaking of the same thing?

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And Kudos to people who are participating in ‘US’ English when it’s not your first language. Even UK and US english can have differences, due to culture.

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I think even the most simple words need to be defined. Sounds sacrastic and I don’t mean it to be, different languages translated can be misleading, heck in fact different parts of the Untiled states use different slang terms for the same thing. To me, in the north east US the ‘wardrobe room’ is just a walk-in closet where you keep your clothes, shoes, handbags, stuff like that.

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As for the the laundry room, in the northeast US, it’s a room often in different areas of the house with a washer and dryer. In newer houses, they are located around the bedroom areas, my house is older and it's located downstairs, as wtih many older homes.

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Also, I don't know about you guys, but there are a bunch of odds and ends in my laundry room on the shelf above the washer... coins, chap stick, papers with phone numbers, etc. Before doing a load of wash I check all the pockets to make sure the pickets are empty. (I once left a chap stick, it went through the wash, but melted in the dryer staining everything!)

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It wold be easy to take a bottle of meds out of a garmet pocket prior to putting them in the wash. That to me doesn’t sound like ‘all over’ … it makes perfect sense to me emptying pockets prior to washing clothes.

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DD55

Thanks for your input Disch

Only thing is Prince rarely had pockets in his pants and even if he did i just cant see him taking them off without removing the Pils bottle , nor is it likely that he himself was EVER in the Laundry , sorting his clothes for wash...

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

In my world Laundry room is where clothes are washed....

Do you mean that in the documents outlining where the pills were found they made a mistake and meant WARDROBE ?

Or Does Laundry room MEAN Wardrobe in America....?

Where Im looking at things from...keeping pills where other people are likely to find them is ...well....something in the water if you get my drift.

Here is the thing that people are missing. He has 110 pills I am told that people who are prescribed these pills get a 90 day supply so he did not have an outragerous amount of pills.

The pills were found in his living quarters which I am assuming includes the laundry area. He could have left some in there mistakenly it does not mean that was a stash area.

If they said they found pills in the studios or other locations in Paisley Park I would say yes he stashing all over the place. It appears he just had pills in his living quarters. Nothing weird about that or strange. What is strange is that the police did not have to look to hard to find them especially since he had been involved in the Moline incident. The police could have come knocking at anytime on his door so I find the fact that the pills were not hidden better to be odd. It is a 65k foot facility he could hide stuff in that place that nobody could find.

Yes Laura..hence my reference to "Something in the Water"

1Sasha said:

IMO we are disputing facts and information we know nothing about in terms of Prince. We have no idea what we took, when he took it, why he took it and if he took anything what it might have contributed toward his death. I certainly am no expert regarding opioid use, but I can say that he looked increasingly bad over the last six months of his life. Yes, he could perform, and yes he could seemingly function, but this is someone who for 40 years lived the credo "the show must go on." No matter what, he was "on." How do we know what we saw - what he presented to us - was not a continuation of the facade he had built up over decades?

Not sure about decades but Scott the engineer said Prince was having serious problems with pain doing the Musicology shows. See the pic below. Remember the laughter from people on this board when we first saw him in the scotter.

I wasn't on the org then, but I recall seeing this photo elsewhere. Maybe it's just me today, but this is all a miserable state of affairs. I am fighting for his truth, but will it ever come out? I think it is important that it does, but I just don't know if it will.