PeteSilas said:

pupa, i should warn you, it gets very nasty in here so it's up to you what you reveal/don't reveal but you might want to duck out at some point.

fortuneandserendipity said:

I wish you'd reveal who you are? do you know Morris Hayes by any chance... roadie member... one of the sound engineers?

Thank you for the advice, i don't like the spot light, I always kept everything for myself, now he is gone, sometimes i visit here and took the occasion to give my vision...I see so many people with a lot of unanswered questions.. i was trying to help discussion..

Thank you for your answer. When I read he dated more than one woman at the same time, I

just had to think about them, how much every woman would want to be the number one, the rivalry amongst them - at that time perhaps girls. That Prince was playing with fire! Maybe one pretty woman gave him a deadly pill; people who are driven by anger and jealousy may act strange.

My reaction to your post was a bit too rude, I admit, but I have an alibi. I just ended my relationship with a man, because he fucked another woman. It is just grose.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

Andrew arrived AROUND 9 am. The body was discovered AROUBD 9:45. Just keeping it real. There is a lot of room for variance there. Stay in your own lane. (Gosh i've been waiting for a chance to say that too.)

--Are you on something? You just repeated what is in the damm search warrant. No variance it is about 45 minutes.

^^ Says the person who inferred the idea that 'P couldn't have stopped breathing' in the 20 min+ timeline between falling ill and being taken off the plane (Moline incident). Inferring a drug OD so severe he stopped breathing... for like 20 minutes.

HELLO NOBODY EVER SAID THAT! lmao. Just to be clear - if you're not breathing for 20 minutes or so, you're dead!

NO matter (to quote herb4) "I'll wait for the Prince.org substance abuse expert to chime in on the matter" with her response.

pupa1 said:

PeteSilas said:

pupa, i should warn you, it gets very nasty in here so it's up to you what you reveal/don't reveal but you might want to duck out at some point.

Thank you for the advice, i don't like the spot light, I always kept everything for myself, now he is gone, sometimes i visit here and took the occasion to give my vision...I see so many people with a lot of unanswered questions.. i was trying to help discussion..

MMJas said:

kmama07 said:

They are called "FUNCTIONING addicts" for a reason.

.

Yes, they function until they don't.

And this case is about a aupposed addict dying because of his addiction.

So did he function?

I could make a case that he and the people around him did not function very well.

Especially in the last few days before he was declared dead.

All this 'tragic' this and that aside: people did not care enough.

This made a 'rich' person like mr. Prince die this way.

Rich? Perhaps.

But not rich enough to properly care for things like his `estate`.

I read an article today on MSN's site that was from the Washington Post that indicates the DEA is now also going after the doctors who blatantly overprescribe opiods. The link is below.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-doctor-prescribed-so-many-painkillers-she%E2%80%99s-been-charged-with-murdering-her-patients-authorities-say/ar-BBD7jIV?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

fortuneandserendipity said:

kmama07 said:

leec1 said:

leec1 said:

I read an article today on MSN's site that was from the Washington Post that indicates the DEA is now also going after the doctors who blatantly overprescribe opiods. The link is below.

Great. Let's throw some fire on the heroin epidemic because that's all this is going to accomplish. People who genuinely need pain meds will struggle to get them and people who are addicted will turn to the blakc market and cheaper stuff, like heroin. Our nation's approach to drug usage is so fucking stupid.

herb4 said:

I have said this before - but I stand by it, and it seems as though more people might be coming round to the possibility:
.
Not a 'conventional' suicide - because that would fly in the face of his faith - but a 'deliberate accident' which would absolutely tie in with his belief that 'what will be, will be, and is God's will'. In other words, he decided to throw his lot in with God (or fate), mix his pills, and just take pot luck as to what he consumed that night: my feeling is that he had a pretty good idea that some of them may not be as innocent as they appeared but had reached a point where he decided to let the fates (God) decide what the outcome would be.

.

We have plenty of evidence that Prince was approaching such a point. It is again my belief that he was preparing for just such a time. There are many suggestions that his health wasn't great - I still have my suspicions that his liver was compromised - not least because of the jaundiced-looking complexion. A compromised liver is not unexpected in someone who may well have been dependent on pharmaceutical pain relief for some time - and this doesn't mean he was using them for any other reason than chronic physical pain issues - for those, we DO have lots of reports, from many / varied sources (not least our own eyes - who wouldn't have been in pain after all that dancing / jumping in heels???) Indeed, there is no reason to think any of his pain medications were illicit at all - at least not until recent times, and what has been revealed per the warrants, etc.

.

If one reads his own lyrics carefully - and, remember again, he himself - and those close to him - repeatedly said his lyrics were very revealing as to his circumstances and state of mind - it seems that illness, death, and saying goodbye were playing on his mind over the course of the last 2-3 years of his life.

.
At the point where he was singing about all of this, he was telling his sister he had 'completed all he needed to do', so that she was prepared; he was looking up old friends / acquaintances and making peace (and for one who professed NEVER to look back, this is significant); he was writing memoirs (more 'looking back'); he was making apparently oblique yet subsequently revealing comments and confessions at his gigs from 2014 onwards; he was making plans for his beloved Paisley Park to be a museum, and his songs to be protected via a specially created entity...No, he didn't write a will - but, for me, that is absolutely as I'd expect from one who cared little for money and even less for 'contracts'.

.

Subsequently, Prince chose the night of his death to be a time where he could ensure nobody was around; the clothes and elevator seem so 'him', as per his tendency to leave hints and clues - but 'you gotta look' (the song lyrics in his suitcase). I think he was poorly and there was no getting away from it; he had nothing else he wanted to achieve but his health was suffering - this proud man didn't want to wither away; he wanted God to take him home whilst he was still on top of his creative game - and so he put his faith in his Creator to do what was right by him. And so, here we are.
.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

^^ Says the person who inferred the idea that 'P couldn't have stopped breathing' in the 20 min+ timeline between falling ill and being taken off the plane (Moline incident). Inferring a drug OD so severe he stopped breathing... for like 20 minutes.

HELLO NOBODY EVER SAID THAT! lmao. Just to be clear - if you're not breathing for 20 minutes or so, you're dead!

NO matter (to quote herb4) "I'll wait for the Prince.org substance abuse expert to chime in on the matter" with her response.

Whatever it is you on you should just say no. I went back and looked at the time line from the time the call went out to the control tower to the time the plane landed. I was trying to determine how long he was unresponsive as their are ideas out that he may have had a seziure and not an o.d and their were rumors he flat lined twice in the ambulance. I am fully aware that he would have been dead if he was not breathing go 20 minutes but if you look at the time line it is about 20 minutes before he got off that plane. Also remember this was before we had the search warrant information. So we did not have a lot of info at the time. Do your self a favor and stop typing on this board just to exercise your fingers.

A medical emergency which required (allegedly) two Narcan shots - we know Narcan is used basically on anyone who is unconscious these days because the EMTs don't know if the cause is drug-related. We have previously discussed that he would have been dead if drug-related because it took so long to get down on the ground. Also, if he had stopped breathing, wouldn't he have incurred brain damage (lack of oxygen to the brain)? That did not happen. I am not an expert on these things but perhaps a medical condition unknown to the public caused him to pass out.

1Sasha said:

Agreed, LR.

Dibblekins said:

I have said this before - but I stand by it, and it seems as though more people might be coming round to the possibility:
.
Not a 'conventional' suicide - because that would fly in the face of his faith - but a 'deliberate accident' which would absolutely tie in with his belief that 'what will be, will be, and is God's will'. In other words, he decided to throw his lot in with God (or fate), mix his pills, and just take pot luck as to what he consumed that night: my feeling is that he had a pretty good idea that some of them may not be as innocent as they appeared but had reached a point where he decided to let the fates (God) decide what the outcome would be.

.

We have plenty of evidence that Prince was approaching such a point. It is again my belief that he was preparing for just such a time. There are many suggestions that his health wasn't great - I still have my suspicions that his liver was compromised - not least because of the jaundiced-looking complexion. A compromised liver is not unexpected in someone who may well have been dependent on pharmaceutical pain relief for some time - and this doesn't mean he was using them for any other reason than chronic physical pain issues - for those, we DO have lots of reports, from many / varied sources (not least our own eyes - who wouldn't have been in pain after all that dancing / jumping in heels???) Indeed, there is no reason to think any of his pain medications were illicit at all - at least not until recent times, and what has been revealed per the warrants, etc.

.

If one reads his own lyrics carefully - and, remember again, he himself - and those close to him - repeatedly said his lyrics were very revealing as to his circumstances and state of mind - it seems that illness, death, and saying goodbye were playing on his mind over the course of the last 2-3 years of his life.

.
At the point where he was singing about all of this, he was telling his sister he had 'completed all he needed to do', so that she was prepared; he was looking up old friends / acquaintances and making peace (and for one who professed NEVER to look back, this is significant); he was writing memoirs (more 'looking back'); he was making apparently oblique yet subsequently revealing comments and confessions at his gigs from 2014 onwards; he was making plans for his beloved Paisley Park to be a museum, and his songs to be protected via a specially created entity...No, he didn't write a will - but, for me, that is absolutely as I'd expect from one who cared little for money and even less for 'contracts'.

.

Subsequently, Prince chose the night of his death to be a time where he could ensure nobody was around; the clothes and elevator seem so 'him', as per his tendency to leave hints and clues - but 'you gotta look' (the song lyrics in his suitcase). I think he was poorly and there was no getting away from it; he had nothing else he wanted to achieve but his health was suffering - this proud man didn't want to wither away; he wanted God to take him home whilst he was still on top of his creative game - and so he put his faith in his Creator to do what was right by him. And so, here we are.
.

Dear Dibblekins: Blessings for saying this in such a kind, gentle and compassionte way. I think one mayor reason there has been such endless debate, theories, discussions re his death is because we loved him so much we just don't want to let him go. But, at some point, we have to let him rest in peace and take our comfort in the music he left us...which will be generating joy long after we'll all gone. xoxo

Dibblekins said:

I have said this before - but I stand by it, and it seems as though more people might be coming round to the possibility:
.
Not a 'conventional' suicide - because that would fly in the face of his faith - but a 'deliberate accident' which would absolutely tie in with his belief that 'what will be, will be, and is God's will'. In other words, he decided to throw his lot in with God (or fate), mix his pills, and just take pot luck as to what he consumed that night: my feeling is that he had a pretty good idea that some of them may not be as innocent as they appeared but had reached a point where he decided to let the fates (God) decide what the outcome would be.

.

We have plenty of evidence that Prince was approaching such a point. It is again my belief that he was preparing for just such a time.

If one reads his own lyrics carefully - and, remember again, he himself - and those close to him - repeatedly said his lyrics were very revealing as to his circumstances and state of mind - it seems that illness, death, and saying goodbye were playing on his mind over the course of the last 2-3 years of his life.

.
At the point where he was singing about all of this, he was telling his sister he had 'completed all he needed to do', so that she was prepared; he was looking up old friends / acquaintances and making peace (and for one who professed NEVER to look back, this is significant); he was writing memoirs (more 'looking back'); he was making apparently oblique yet subsequently revealing comments and confessions at his gigs from 2014 onwards; he was making plans for his beloved Paisley Park to be a museum, and his songs to be protected via a specially created entity...No, he didn't write a will - but, for me, that is absolutely as I'd expect from one who cared little for money and even less for 'contracts'.

Great post (I weeded some of it) but you also left out the officially announced memior he had planned, which was so far out of character for the Prince I knew for 35+ years that I was stunned when I learned of it. That smacks of someone who wants to get a story out before they run out of time.

Agree about the lack of a will too. It's be just like Prince to "let God handle it".

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Dear Dibblekins: Blessings for saying this in such a kind, gentle and compassionte way. I think one mayor reason there has been such endless debate, theories, discussions re his death is because we loved him so much we just don't want to let him go. But, at some point, we have to let him rest in peace and take our comfort in the music he left us...which will be generating joy long after we'll all gone. xoxo

It gives me some semblance of comfort that he had such faith, a willingness to put his trust in 'something else (the after-life)' and just go with it...For me, taking that path would require an amount of courage I don't possess - but for Prince...Well, I envy him; he wouldn't see it as courageous, I'm sure - for him, death / the after-life was just another plane, as natural, normal as our everyday, corporeal world. It's the people left behind who are struggling to make sense of things; for P, with his faith, I'm sure everything made (makes) perfect sense...I'm confident he's as happy as a clam!

herb4 said:

Dibblekins said:

.
At the point where he was singing about all of this, he was telling his sister he had 'completed all he needed to do', so that she was prepared; he was looking up old friends / acquaintances and making peace (and for one who professed NEVER to look back, this is significant); he was writing memoirs (more 'looking back'); he was making apparently oblique yet subsequently revealing comments and confessions at his gigs from 2014 onwards; he was making plans for his beloved Paisley Park to be a museum, and his songs to be protected via a specially created entity...No, he didn't write a will - but, for me, that is absolutely as I'd expect from one who cared little for money and even less for 'contracts'.

Great post (I weeded some of it) but you also left out the officially announced memior he had planned, which was so far out of character for the Prince I knew for 35+ years that I was stunned when I learned of it. That smacks of someone who wants to get a story out before they run out of time.

Agree about the lack of a will too. It's be just like Prince to "let God handle it".

I didn't leave it out - you missed it amidst my meanderings.

Dibblekins said:

I have said this before - but I stand by it, and it seems as though more people might be coming round to the possibility:
.
Not a 'conventional' suicide - because that would fly in the face of his faith - but a 'deliberate accident' which would absolutely tie in with his belief that 'what will be, will be, and is God's will'. In other words, he decided to throw his lot in with God (or fate), mix his pills, and just take pot luck as to what he consumed that night: my feeling is that he had a pretty good idea that some of them may not be as innocent as they appeared but had reached a point where he decided to let the fates (God) decide what the outcome would be.

.

We have plenty of evidence that Prince was approaching such a point. It is again my belief that he was preparing for just such a time. There are many suggestions that his health wasn't great - I still have my suspicions that his liver was compromised - not least because of the jaundiced-looking complexion. A compromised liver is not unexpected in someone who may well have been dependent on pharmaceutical pain relief for some time - and this doesn't mean he was using them for any other reason than chronic physical pain issues - for those, we DO have lots of reports, from many / varied sources (not least our own eyes - who wouldn't have been in pain after all that dancing / jumping in heels???) Indeed, there is no reason to think any of his pain medications were illicit at all - at least not until recent times, and what has been revealed per the warrants, etc.

.

If one reads his own lyrics carefully - and, remember again, he himself - and those close to him - repeatedly said his lyrics were very revealing as to his circumstances and state of mind - it seems that illness, death, and saying goodbye were playing on his mind over the course of the last 2-3 years of his life.

.
At the point where he was singing about all of this, he was telling his sister he had 'completed all he needed to do', so that she was prepared; he was looking up old friends / acquaintances and making peace (and for one who professed NEVER to look back, this is significant); he was writing memoirs (more 'looking back'); he was making apparently oblique yet subsequently revealing comments and confessions at his gigs from 2014 onwards; he was making plans for his beloved Paisley Park to be a museum, and his songs to be protected via a specially created entity...No, he didn't write a will - but, for me, that is absolutely as I'd expect from one who cared little for money and even less for 'contracts'.

.

Subsequently, Prince chose the night of his death to be a time where he could ensure nobody was around; the clothes and elevator seem so 'him', as per his tendency to leave hints and clues - but 'you gotta look' (the song lyrics in his suitcase). I think he was poorly and there was no getting away from it; he had nothing else he wanted to achieve but his health was suffering - this proud man didn't want to wither away; he wanted God to take him home whilst he was still on top of his creative game - and so he put his faith in his Creator to do what was right by him. And so, here we are.
.

Very well written and expressed. There is a great deal here to believe

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

You might want to take your own advice since you admit to giving credit to rumors, unofficial reports, and even forming opinions without the benefit of real information (see bolded).

I was looking at the time frame to explore a theory. It is called thinking and believing everything that is on TMZ. The 20 minutes time frame is troubling and we have no access to his health files so we have a huge chunk of info that is missing. Aren't you one if those people who do not want to know anything anyway. If so you can bounce. Get back to making Prince the poster boy for pain pill abuse.

I break a personal vow by bouncing into LR territory but let's theorize that OUR Prince did become the 'poster boy for pain pill abuse': we would still love and appreciate him madly and those whose lives he may be saving in the future by focusing awareness on this problem would be grateful... even if not to Prince specifically, hopefully for their own lives . Is there something WRONG with having your life resonate to the good in mysterious ways? Isn't that the Prince myth?: poor, Black teen from the Twin Cities conquers the world with his sexy moves and a guitar and when he dies the world turns purple in mourning. Who woulda thunk it? History will never let anyone forget how he died. It will forever be a part of the story, even though we may never really know 'why'... So, the 'poster boy' narrative that saves lives and works toward compassion for those in all kinds of pain is more glorious, to me, than the truth which is that the last warm lips to touch his belonged to the Chanhassen fire chief and the last women to see his naked form and touch his body was a medical examiner.

not to split hairs but was cpr administered? I thought it wasn't.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said: I was looking at the time frame to explore a theory. It is called thinking and believing everything that is on TMZ. The 20 minutes time frame is troubling and we have no access to his health files so we have a huge chunk of info that is missing. Aren't you one if those people who do not want to know anything anyway. If so you can bounce. Get back to making Prince the poster boy for pain pill abuse.

I break a personal vow by bouncing into LR territory but let's theorize that OUR Prince did become the 'poster boy for pain pill abuse': we would still love and appreciate him madly and those whose lives he may be saving in the future by focusing awareness on this problem would be grateful... even if not to Prince specifically, hopefully for their own lives . Is there something WRONG with having your life resonate to the good in mysterious ways? Isn't that the Prince myth?: poor, Black teen from the Twin Cities conquers the world with his sexy moves and a guitar and when he dies the world turns purple in mourning. Who woulda thunk it? History will never let anyone forget how he died. It will forever be a part of the story, even though we may never really know 'why'... So, the 'poster boy' narrative that saves lives and works toward compassion for those in all kinds of pain is more glorious, to me, than the truth which is that the last warm lips to touch his belonged to the Chanhassen fire chief and the last women to see his naked form and touch his body was a medical examiner.

I think the funniest thing LR says are her frequent accusations that some orgers (namely, any supporting theory 'P had drug addiction problems') are projecting their own drug issues onto Prince. wtf!

It's funny bc, from what I can tell, those same orgers convey impression of being good at reading people and situations. Which you can't really do well if you're off your face on drugs.

Personally, I'm teetotal atm and haven't taken anything for longer than I can remember, including anything prescription based.

said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: