DD55 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

herb4 you are a joy!

Herb, everyone, don't let her bait you. When you see the name, just scroll on by or we'll end up with this thread locked as well. Do not respond to any posts or engage. Let's keep the discussion going and open to all ideas. Thank you!

You're welcome I guess. I'm bored, depressed and in a meandering mood - not seeking praise - and sometimes LR is a perfect foil. But, yeah, this board could use an "ignore" button for sure. Might be funny to see LR shouting down an empty digital hallway wondering why no one's paying attention to her and her "insights" while rational people continue a civil discussion and she wonders why no one is responding to her.

The next substantial point I raise that she legitimatly addresses will be the first I think.

herb4 said:

DD55 said:

Sheeish, Take a step back and think about sitting and watching TV. Almost every night…. how many drug commercials end with the disclaimer ‘may cause suicidal thoughts’? So sad on so many levels.

This is a good example of what I'm talking about in my occasional rants.

Obviously, Cornell was using SOMETHING over the years; anti depressants, benzos, weed, booze...whatever....He was 5 years younger than Prince when he went out and on the record as having WAY more substance abuse issues than anyone suspects Prince of having. Can anyone cite an interview or a performance where he was completely out out of it and where it was "Obvious" he was on drugs and fucked up? I'm not a huge fan but can anyone say he wasn't prolific and creative at an above average level for his entire professional life?

I'll wait for the Prince.org substance abuse expert to chime in on the matter.

~

Herb4, that is a good example indeed. I too believe Prince was dependant of medication for many years and I've even made the comparison with my mother in law before, who's an alcoholic for many years and NOBODY knows except us. She does her job perfectly and we only notice it because we see the vacant look in her eyes. Most people don't recognize it nor see it. The amount she drinks daily would put me in a coma, but her body has developed a tolerance of sorts over the years. Her hands don't even shake and I've seen her cook whole meals and handle knives with no hint of anything being wrong.
I think that's what happened to Prince throughout the years. Only in recent years did people start seeing signs of abuse/ilness and it could very well be a combination of both.

herb4 said:

DD55 said:

Herb, everyone, don't let her bait you. When you see the name, just scroll on by or we'll end up with this thread locked as well. Do not respond to any posts or engage. Let's keep the discussion going and open to all ideas. Thank you!

You're welcome I guess. I'm bored, depressed and in a meandering mood - not seeking praise - and sometimes LR is a perfect foil. But, yeah, this board could use an "ignore" button for sure. Might be funny to see LR shouting down an empty digital hallway wondering why no one's paying attention to her and her "insights" while rational people continue a civil discussion and she wonders why no one is responding to her.

The next substantial point I raise that she legitimatly addresses will be the first I think.

DD55...perfect way to deal with LR...when I scroll on by I have more energy, feel better...even my nails grow longer (just kidding) and as for you herb4...keep up the good, no, GREAT work! xoxo WE ALL NEED A DNR ORDER POSTED: DO NOT RESPOND!!!!!

fortuneandserendipity said:

I think he had addictive brain issues and he used playing music, sex, and drugs to try and quiet the "noise" in his head. I think there is no way he could do without these things. He had a funny shapely young girlfriend right up until the end, and fans who loved him.

leec1 said:

I don’t think he committed suicide. It just doesn’t add up for me. I can’t see this as suicide just because there was a lot of fentanyl in his system.

If it was suicide, the medical examiner would have found evidence of it and also L.E. would have seen signs of this. Until I read that authorities have reached a different conclusion, I will view this as the overdose tragedy it has been deemed to be.

I have posted before that in my lifetime I have been around many drug users. All of these drug users who did not enter rehab are dead. Many of the users that I have known who survived, have gone through rehab multiple times.

From various articles, Prince tried to solve his drug issues on an outpatient basis, which was a sure set-up for failure.

Agree, but I COULD see him going out on his terms, the same way he lived. If he had a liver issue or something I could easily picture him saying "fuck no" instead of turning into a sickly, frail, ugly old man who could no longer play. That would probably be worse than death for him as vain as he was.

He also seemed oddly cryptic towards the end (more so than usual) and talked about "music belonging to the young", "save your prayers FOR A FEW DAYS", posting the "look how good I look" passport photo and shit like that. AoA still haunts me sometimes, especially in restrospect. Great record. If you dig too deep into some of it, sometimes it resonates a little bit more than I'd like but that could just be coincidence, projection and 20/20 hindsight. He spoke A LOT about heaven and the afterworld and seemed in somewhat of a hurry to get there, but suicide doesn't jibe much with his ever increasing religous beliefs so there's that too.

I honestly don't know.

Dude was a living, breathing, walking contradiction - and a beautiful, magnificant one at that. One of a kind. I can still feel the vaccum his departure left not only in my life but in the artistic world in general. It's absolutely collossal. He left one tough void to fill and it might take a fucking army. The man was singularly talented, driven, energetic, brave, orginal and unique in a way that's hard to entirely wrap your head around; to me anyway. God bless him and rest in peace.

As far as not leaving a will and all that and the lack of planning as an argument against suicide, this was a person who refused medical treatment for his wife and unborn son, leaving it "in God's hands", so I can see him cashing out with none of that figured out too, believing that God would handle it and that he'd sown enough seeds for all of us to work it out together. Before anyone jumps on me for positing unsubstantiated theories, NO, I don't think he checked out intentionally and I'm not suggesting it, but I CAN see it.

MMJas said:

herb4 said:

This is a good example of what I'm talking about in my occasional rants.

Obviously, Cornell was using SOMETHING over the years; anti depressants, benzos, weed, booze...whatever....He was 5 years younger than Prince when he went out and on the record as having WAY more substance abuse issues than anyone suspects Prince of having. Can anyone cite an interview or a performance where he was completely out out of it and where it was "Obvious" he was on drugs and fucked up? I'm not a huge fan but can anyone say he wasn't prolific and creative at an above average level for his entire professional life?

I'll wait for the Prince.org substance abuse expert to chime in on the matter.

~

Herb4, that is a good example indeed. I too believe Prince was dependant of medication for many years and I've even made the comparison with my mother in law before, who's an alcoholic for many years and NOBODY knows except us. She does her job perfectly and we only notice it because we see the vacant look in her eyes. Most people don't recognize it nor see it. The amount she drinks daily would put me in a coma, but her body has developed a tolerance of sorts over the years. Her hands don't even shake and I've seen her cook whole meals and handle knives with no hint of anything being wrong.
I think that's what happened to Prince throughout the years. Only in recent years did people start seeing signs of abuse/ilness and it could very well be a combination of both.

Indeed. Tolerance. I've spoken of it before so I won't repeat myself but, yeah, that's how addiction works. I had an uncle who was the same way and his alcohol intake was positively astonishing. Pretty sure he didn't start out chugging pints of Seagrams at 11am and chasing it with Pepto but that's where he was last time I saw him (I still have a bruise on my chin from it hitting the floor) and dude was functional beyond belief. Beat me at chess and cards that same afternoon.

Bassette said:

purplefam99 said:

forgive me for not remembering correctly i have read so many Prince books they are starting to run together, but i believe it was AH"S or devin's. At a memorial get together for vanity. JJ was with Apples and a few more of the purple harem. and JJ says to Prince(per the book) "thank you

for giving me all these ladies" and Prince's reply was "Oh so your ok with it now". that just cracks

me up his scarcastic self. probably didnt feel so great to share him at the time but the chain of events did give all those women a bond, that from my point of view, i would want if i were one of them.

Would you than be a yes-woman or a no-woman?

bassette i love that you asked!! i would be soooooooooo a no woman. i would have sooooooo

been in his hair. it would have been "black love" to the nth degree!!!!!!!!! if you have ever had a touch of black love you know what i mean. And since we all hail from the mother land, dig

deep you will find it.

i really don't think there is an easy answer for pain. Massage and chiropracters and acupuncture seem potentially harmful to me. There was a model a year or two ago who died after seeing her chiropracter, somehow a vein got ruptured. I've had my back put back in alignment before and it definitely relieves pain but I could see a huge risk of getting fucked up doing those things. Sheila E had a punctured lung from some acupuncture didn't she? And just a couple months ago, I seriously hurt my back and I believe it was because I used a massage chair and did some heavy lifting a day or so later. I'm pretty sure it was because i was grinding into my muscles and spine the day before with that damn chair. Like I say, I think it's risky.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4, THANKS for the brilliant recap about drugs that everyone on this thread should read slowly and internalize. I also think the bolded above is the alpha and omega re Prince and drugs. For his hip pain he had many choices: yoga, massage, acupuncture/pressure, replacement, physical therapy, non-addictive drugs, etc. For never feeling comfortable in his own skin he had fewer options, and once therapy is off the table, you're pretty much left with self-medicating and denial=death.

You need to read slowly and stop assuming we are a bunch of morons.

yoga, massage, acupuncture/pressure, replacement, physical therapy, non-addictive drugs

These alternatives do not have a good track record of sloving pain problems and a simple internet search will tell you this. Why are you assuming that Prince a financially well off person did not try all avenues.

What non-addictive drugs= sprouts?

How do you know he did not feel comfortable in his own skin? Are you a phsycologist and if so are you evaluating him via the internet and via the lens of the entertainment industry?

Was Prince every on your couch? Once again we have someone making wild assumptions with no evidence to back up these ideas.

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paisleypearl said:

pupa1 said:

Yes I think he committed suicide, he knew he wasn't ok, the emergency plane landing one week before was a big signal and Prince was so many things but not stupid at all, or probably his first attempt was on the plane..more, after knowing his physical condition why he took some pills without knowing exactly which ones....and so many other details..the elevator..the clothes..

No no no nope he would have made a will, he had too many assets and reasons to live. There is no way he would have had on yesterday's clothes for the biggest exit of his life.

you ever wonder if maybe someone dressed him before the medics came?

pupa1 said:

Yes I think he committed suicide, he knew he wasn't ok, the emergency plane landing one week before was a big signal and Prince was so many things but not stupid at all, or probably his first attempt was on the plane..more, after knowing his physical condition why he took some pills without knowing exactly which ones....and so many other details..the elevator..the clothes..

oh yeah, sorry for asking, some of the people hear get angry no matter what conclusion one comes to. I should have warned you when I asked.

pupa1 said:

It is reported he had clothes bacward and inside out, it was his choice to me, like an hidden message

The elevator take me to the let' go crazy lyrics, the day after he had to see a doctor coming from California... anyway this is my opinion i respect any other view..

ya, that seems too coincidental to be an accident. What I'm curious about is what would the time window be from ingestion to incapacitation and how quickly would he be incapacitated? You know, in the cosby thing, the women are damn near instantly unable to control themselves. So, If it were to happen anywhere near that fast, he had to have been in the elevator when he did it.

I never saw Cornell perform, I haven't watched too many clips but some people have said he was pretty fucked up on that last night. Last week, I watched a brilliant docu on a band called the Gits, the word was, they were ready to kick out the lead singer, mia zapata if she didn't get her drinking under control, i thought that was ironic as hell for a punk band. With Cornell, i've read different things, I've read he got big headed after the fame hit and it caused problems with his band and the rifts were still there so I don't know if that was why he may not have gelled too well on the last performance or not. I tend to think he probably had a manipulative wife who drove him crazy, that's fairly common with musicians. They tore me a new asshole when i first said it on the thread over there, but then other people came out and said that was most likely the case.

herb4 said:

DD55 said:

Sheeish, Take a step back and think about sitting and watching TV. Almost every night…. how many drug commercials end with the disclaimer ‘may cause suicidal thoughts’? So sad on so many levels.

This is a good example of what I'm talking about in my occasional rants.

Obviously, Cornell was using SOMETHING over the years; anti depressants, benzos, weed, booze...whatever....He was 5 years younger than Prince when he went out and on the record as having WAY more substance abuse issues than anyone suspects Prince of having. Can anyone cite an interview or a performance where he was completely out out of it and where it was "Obvious" he was on drugs and fucked up? I'm not a huge fan but can anyone say he wasn't prolific and creative at an above average level for his entire professional life?

I'll wait for the Prince.org substance abuse expert to chime in on the matter.

herb4 said:

DD55 said:

Herb, everyone, don't let her bait you. When you see the name, just scroll on by or we'll end up with this thread locked as well. Do not respond to any posts or engage. Let's keep the discussion going and open to all ideas. Thank you!

You're welcome I guess. I'm bored, depressed and in a meandering mood - not seeking praise - and sometimes LR is a perfect foil. But, yeah, this board could use an "ignore" button for sure. Might be funny to see LR shouting down an empty digital hallway wondering why no one's paying attention to her and her "insights" while rational people continue a civil discussion and she wonders why no one is responding to her.

The next substantial point I raise that she legitimatly addresses will be the first I think.

laura is useful, whenever i can't remember a tidbit of info, or where it came from, she's my girl friday.

it is bizarre how some people can function like that and others get all sloppy. I have a theory, as a Native American, the alcohol only uncovers whats really in a person, if a person has all kinds of trauma like most natives have, it just makes it all the more obvious, it's the only way i can understand it, it's like it brings out who they really are unconsciously, I been around too many alcoholics, I guess many of them are highly functioning, I think that maybe they aren't as scarred as these others. But, I still think there are signs, I usually notice everything. I noticed when my ma first started showing signs of dementia from drinking, I didn't know what the problem was, she just did lots of wierd shit all of the sudden, adopted two cats for in an apartment where we already had two, and you really couldn't talk to her about anything in a rational way. I have been around enough older people also, and i can tell when and how their thinking seems to become stuck, antiquated and just wierd, nothing to do with drugs there. Older people , i'm not even talking elderly, get wierd. I know I'm changing the older i get.

MMJas said:

herb4 said:

This is a good example of what I'm talking about in my occasional rants.

Obviously, Cornell was using SOMETHING over the years; anti depressants, benzos, weed, booze...whatever....He was 5 years younger than Prince when he went out and on the record as having WAY more substance abuse issues than anyone suspects Prince of having. Can anyone cite an interview or a performance where he was completely out out of it and where it was "Obvious" he was on drugs and fucked up? I'm not a huge fan but can anyone say he wasn't prolific and creative at an above average level for his entire professional life?

I'll wait for the Prince.org substance abuse expert to chime in on the matter.

~

Herb4, that is a good example indeed. I too believe Prince was dependant of medication for many years and I've even made the comparison with my mother in law before, who's an alcoholic for many years and NOBODY knows except us. She does her job perfectly and we only notice it because we see the vacant look in her eyes. Most people don't recognize it nor see it. The amount she drinks daily would put me in a coma, but her body has developed a tolerance of sorts over the years. Her hands don't even shake and I've seen her cook whole meals and handle knives with no hint of anything being wrong.
I think that's what happened to Prince throughout the years. Only in recent years did people start seeing signs of abuse/ilness and it could very well be a combination of both.

PeteSilas said:

paisleypearl said:

pupa1 said: No no no nope he would have made a will, he had too many assets and reasons to live. There is no way he would have had on yesterday's clothes for the biggest exit of his life.

you ever wonder if maybe someone dressed him before the medics came?

petesilas, that is what is was kinda thinking. they might have just quickly dressing him in what he last had on and was

lying around perhaps the clothes were already inside out cause that was how he took them off. plus

the item were black would have been an easy error not to notice. especially if your concern is for him to not be undressed. if i were a confidante i probably would have dressed him too.

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

you ever wonder if maybe someone dressed him before the medics came?

petesilas, that is what is was kinda thinking. they might have just quickly dressing him in what he last had on and was

lying around perhaps the clothes were already inside out cause that was how he took them off. plus

the item were black would have been an easy error not to notice. especially if your concern is for him to not be undressed. if i were a confidante i probably would have dressed him too.

ya, people do move things in a death scene, especially in an od scene, generally, any drugs are gotten rid of, that's a pretty consistent thing. Elvis' people flushed everything, Sonny Liston, who was rumoured to have been murdered with a heroin overdose which people still believe, use the lack of any drug paraphenalia in the house as proof that he wasn't a drug user, and they also say he was deathly afraid of needles. Some of you people think it's prince that leaves unanswered questions but it's pretty common to leave lots of mystery. How many times has someone "seemed just fine" and killed himself shortly after? With public figures there is often murder conspiracy, one of my favorite boxers shot himself in the chest, many, many fans to this day think he was murdered because they think he'd have shot himself in the head and he had some bruises about the face, his own wife who was there said he killed himself though so that's pretty convincing to me.

PeteSilas said:

paisleypearl said:

pupa1 said: No no no nope he would have made a will, he had too many assets and reasons to live. There is no way he would have had on yesterday's clothes for the biggest exit of his life.

you ever wonder if maybe someone dressed him before the medics came?

regards, DD55

DD55 said:

PeteSilas said:

you ever wonder if maybe someone dressed him before the medics came?

Pete,

I did wonder about that, then discounted it. Remember it was April not August, that huge building in MN would be to expensive to heat for him to be comfortable walking around in underwear or less in April.

.

That is what logic tells me, but we are talking about Prince so who knows. What was the thermostat set to? Interesting Question.

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regards, DD55

I don't know, I do know, I've put on my clothes backwards, sorry folks, full disclosure, i've had my clothes on all fucked up a couple times leaving a woman place after some funny business, so I can tell you it does happen when you're not thinking too clearly. the last one had to really insist because i was about to go out with my shit inside out, i said "no i like it like this" not realizing it was inside out, she said "Ok, you are special then" like i was retarded, which, lets face it, women tend to make us guys.

[Edited 6/23/17 16:42pm]

Bassette said:

Man, I would love to see all those women together! Maybe the police should follow thát trail (chlamydia-trail?).

If you are gonna make allegations like this, you need to provide proof. Otherwise, it's just slander and not at all welcome here.

paisleypearl said:

You are wrong, there is no way he would have exited like this, he would not have been at Walgreens, he would not have been detoxing, he would not have been alone.

What are you talking about?

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

You are unfucking belivable. If someone is abusing drugs and alcohol it is noticeable. You do not have to be some expert to tell.

I didn't say "abusing". I said "using" and "under the influence". And you (typically) glossed over the part where I mentioned "depending on the the amount", meaning, yes, in excess it's quite noticeable but in moderation and "as prescribed" not so much, but I've come to expect that from you and the manner in which you "engage" through your black and white lenses. Your head is like an impenetrable fucking block of granite.

You seem to think that a person in a chemically altered state of mind is "fall down mumbling Keith Richards/Slash/Amy Winehouse/Tiger Woods" or "completly coherent". I can flat out guarantee you with 100% percent certaintly that in the last two to three days, if you left the house, you have interacted with someone under the influence of SOMETHING and never noticed. Xanax, pain pills, weed, anti depressants, alchohol...There are degrees to being under the influence but you seem to view the matter like...well...I'm not sure exactly how you view it beyond describing it as "binary".

Meaning that it seems you still cling to the stubborn belief that someone is either on nothing at all or otherwise is an inchorent, incompetent, stumbling retard who mumbles constantly, crashes cars into shopping malls, can't write thier name on a piece of paper and is too dysfunctional to hold a job. What you're pointing out and trying to claim the high ground as an expert on is when someone is obviously WAY out of thier fucking minds and assuming that everyone acts like that when they take a pill, have a drink or smoke a joint or something. IN short, you're claiming that it's "obvious" when someone is using something but you're missing the fact that MOST PEOPLE ONLY NOTICE IT WHEN IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS. Get it now? In what sense is this difficult? Prince's drug use wasn't like that. Obviously.

You're delusional and dense, with a brain wrapped in concrete and whose CNS seems to blocked iwth some sort of road tar. You have no idea what you're talking about but I'm sure that won't stop you from doing it more than anyone else on the board and owning the record of Most Posts. You continue to gloss over relevant and thoughtful posts that call you out, point out the holes and flaws in your arguments and kick and scream like a child. Shit, you even managed to get temporarily banned from a message board known for its loss tolerance, unless I'm mis-remembering that. Read more. Post less. Educate yourself.

What I'm saying is I think you're an idiot pretending to be smart on the internet who knows next to nothing about drug use, legal or otherwise, and that you seem to think that posting about it the most makes you correct somehow. Shit I don't need to point it out. Keep posting and let everyone read your ignorance.

I bolded the relevant parts since it's obvious you don't like to read.

Pay close attention and I will bold it for you. If you are implying that Prince was addicted to pain pills would that not mean he was abusing the pills ( taking them illegally and taking more than a normal dosage) would that not mean he was a no longer dependent on them but addicted to them and out of control ? I am inferring from your repeated comments that “ using “ “under the influence” as coded words for abuse.

You can use all the semantics and coded words you want. “

If he was not using a prescribed dosage for the last 20 years which some people on this board believe it would have been noticeable. I do not think he would have been hiding anything from the public or his associates. He would not have been able to make it thought those tours and he would not have been working no 100 hours a week and getting anything done.

Even at the end he was sitting on a stage by himself with all of the attention on him. No way to hide or cover up abuse. The fact that you do not see a problem with the belief that he was abusing these drugs and doing all the things he was doing is something that you and I do not agree on. It is really that simple.

Here we go with the sematics again. “ Chemically Altered” you mean using drugs and alcohol. Yes, when people drink too much and abuse drugs the effects will take a hold of them eventrully and if this is an everyday occurance it will be noticeable.

I understand that there are levels of intoxication and I know if Prince was abusing these meds eventrully he would have been at the level that people would have noticed as well as audiences. You actually seem to think that no one on the earth has every been around any one that drinks excessively or used drugs. Other people other than you know some things as well.

My belief is he was dealing with illness and it was not all about pain pills. I think he used them for years off and on. Used a normal dosage and then something went sideways with his health. Could have been increasing joint pain or problems from taking these meds in the first place but something made him accelerate and I do not think it was physic pain (whatever the hell that means) emotional problems or stage freight ( he was so afraid of the stage he did double the number of shows he needed to do). Many of these things make no sense and do not jibe with things we have been hearing for years. In addition you have numerous people saying “we do not know he whole story“ would that not mean we are missing some info?

New info has surfaced that he may have been dealing with a serious illness and the ridiculous amount of drugs in his system from the toxicology report leads many of to think this was not an accident. Be it suicide or someone slipping him something. Does not mean he did not play a very large role in making all of this happen but I believe there are reasons that we he public are not aware of because we are missing big chucks

It is not that I do not read well. I am just not really interested in your long drawn out post. I am not going to change what I think and you long drawn out post will not change anything. Now continue your rants. Althought you really need to take it to an A.A meeting

herb4 said:

oooooooooo.....so mysterious.

I haven't read one single thing you've contributed to any of these dicsussions/threads beyond cryptic "behind the scenes" innuendo, hints at "insider information", suggestions to "read between the lines" and a sort of weird, off putting Puppet Master style of disseminating "information", such as it is. By which I mean "no information or ideas at all" and "complete nonsense" disguised as hipster chic. If you have posted anything relevant, I've certainly missed it so maybe you can climb down off the purple throne you built for yourself, descend from the paisley clouds and share it with us?

Or dig through your post history and tell us what we should be looking at? I've already done it and, aside from being way cooler than me, you fundamentally have added only two things (by my count) relevant to this discussion:

1.Jack
2.Shit

At least from what I've been able to find but maybe I missed a golden nugget somewhere. Enlighten us, wise one. It's been over a year and you're still trying to be mystic by posting in riddles.

What I do or don't know isn't something that will ever be directly revealed to you. The last time I reported you for stalking you apparently heard enough feedback to keep your distance. I have not directly engaged you, yet here you are again...coming for me. Step the fuck back Herb4 before I have to report you again. I am not afraid of you nor am I in any way intimidated by you. Don't be bitter because you are being left out of the discussions you are so desperate to hear. You mean nothing to me. What a sad man you are

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

you ever wonder if maybe someone dressed him before the medics came?

petesilas, that is what is was kinda thinking. they might have just quickly dressing him in what he last had on and was

lying around perhaps the clothes were already inside out cause that was how he took them off. plus

the item were black would have been an easy error not to notice. especially if your concern is for him to not be undressed. if i were a confidante i probably would have dressed him too.

There is a 45 minute gap between the time Andrew arrived and he was found. Plenty of time to put his clothes on. One of the things that the police complained about was the inconsistencies in his associates stories and the fact that everyone was on there phone texting and calling people immedialty which is beyond weird to me. Than you have Tyka saying she was called and told " He is gone" what a strange way to tell someone there brother has died.

Things seem to staged to me.

Mumio said:

herb4 said:

oooooooooo.....so mysterious.

I haven't read one single thing you've contributed to any of these dicsussions/threads beyond cryptic "behind the scenes" innuendo, hints at "insider information", suggestions to "read between the lines" and a sort of weird, off putting Puppet Master style of disseminating "information", such as it is. By which I mean "no information or ideas at all" and "complete nonsense" disguised as hipster chic. If you have posted anything relevant, I've certainly missed it so maybe you can climb down off the purple throne you built for yourself, descend from the paisley clouds and share it with us?

Or dig through your post history and tell us what we should be looking at? I've already done it and, aside from being way cooler than me, you fundamentally have added only two things (by my count) relevant to this discussion:

1.Jack
2.Shit

At least from what I've been able to find but maybe I missed a golden nugget somewhere. Enlighten us, wise one. It's been over a year and you're still trying to be mystic by posting in riddles.

What I do or don't know isn't something that will ever be directly revealed to you. The last time I reported you for stalking you apparently heard enough feedback to keep your distance. I have not directly engaged you, yet here you are again...coming for me. Step the fuck back Herb4 before I have to report you again. I am not afraid of you nor am I in any way intimidated by you. Don't be bitter because you are being left out of the discussions you are so desperate to hear. You mean nothing to me. What a sad man you are

Wow, this is some strange shit. I think I need a nap...and I'm not the only one.

pupa1 said:

Yes, this is my view too, I stated my opinion months ago, my feeling that Yes, it was an 'end of life' scenario/ sick and not well, MN has no end of life laws in place like other states, besides, some religious people have extremely strong negative judgements, and really, when you are at the end of knowing the end, heartbreaking, sick, trying to keep face, having it be a 'parade' production, or,
'he wouldn't choose to be at Walgreens, detox, etc.' does not make sense, think about it... no, too ill (with, whatever! Liver fail, HIV, deep opioid addiction, whatever!) you are done holding on! Last energies on making it look okay for everyone else (fans). I think he held on as long as he could, God rest your soul.

laurarichardson said:

Where did you get the 45 minute piece? Thats inaccurate. You post things that aren't true and run with it. I hope finally people see what we've been saying for over a year about the incorrect info you post all over these threads. So much of it is just plain wrong. How do you know what time Andrew arrived? Its not like there is an official record of his arrival. Geesh. You aren't the clever sleuth you try to present as.
[Edited 6/23/17 18:40pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

You're welcome I guess. I'm bored, depressed and in a meandering mood - not seeking praise - and sometimes LR is a perfect foil. But, yeah, this board could use an "ignore" button for sure. Might be funny to see LR shouting down an empty digital hallway wondering why no one's paying attention to her and her "insights" while rational people continue a civil discussion and she wonders why no one is responding to her.

The next substantial point I raise that she legitimatly addresses will be the first I think.

DD55...perfect way to deal with LR...when I scroll on by I have more energy, feel better...even my nails grow longer (just kidding) and as for you herb4...keep up the good, no, GREAT work! xoxo WE ALL NEED A DNR ORDER POSTED: DO NOT RESPOND!!!!!

Get a life for goodness sakes.

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said: --If he had way more abuse issues than Prince had ( how the hell would you know )...

From Chris Cornell's own admissions about his heavy substance abuse.

But you and none of us know what Prince's issues were and once again Chris did not have a enough drugs in system to o.d and he could barely stand on that stage how does an experience drug users hardly stand loaded on drugs yet someone with Prince's high tolerence ( at least that is what you keep going on about ) do whole shows with no problems.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

There is a 45 minute gap between the time Andrew arrived and he was found. Plenty of time to put his clothes on. One of the things that the police complained about was the inconsistencies in his associates stories and the fact that everyone was on there phone texting and calling people immedialty which is beyond weird to me. Than you have Tyka saying she was called and told " He is gone" what a strange way to tell someone there brother has died.

Things seem to staged to me.

Where did you get the 45 minute piece? Thats inaccurate. You post things that aren't true and run with it. I hope finally people see what we've been saying for over a year about the incorrect info you post all over these threads. So much of it is just plain wrong. How do you know what time Andrew arrived? Its not like there is an official record of his arrival. Geesh. You aren't the clever sleuth you try to present as. [Edited 6/23/17 18:40pm]

Andrew arrived around 9:00 am. Prince was found around 9:45am. He was pronounced dead at 10:07 this is in the search warrants. See below.This is the last time you are going to call me liar. Tired of this crap when you can just look things up for yourself. His best friend did not think it was odd that Prince was not at the 9:00 meeting and did not go to his living quarters to look for him for 45 minutes despite the fact that he was ill. Nothing strange about that.

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Index-1.pdf