Yes I think he committed suicide, he knew he wasn't ok, the emergency plane landing one week before was a big signal and Prince was so many things but not stupid at all, or probably his first attempt was on the plane..more, after knowing his physical condition why he took some pills without knowing exactly which ones....and so many other details..the elevator..the clothes..

pupa1 said:

pupa1 said:

Yes I think he committed suicide, he knew he wasn't ok, the emergency plane landing one week before was a big signal and Prince was so many things but not stupid at all, or probably his first attempt was on the plane..more, after knowing his physical condition why he took some pills without knowing exactly which ones....and so many other details..the elevator..the clothes..

Exactly what are you referring to when you mention physical condition?

He had visited his doctor the same day he died and tests were run.

pupa1 said:

Since 1990 I have seen so many things..none can know for sure what happened that day, at least with the infos we have been told, but i can only say what i have witnessed and what i have been told from people I really trust:

Prince had hundreds of women during his life, he had multiple relathionhips ( just for a night or months) even during his marriages. He was the only one taking the decision about meeting a woman and he could change his mind at the last moment. It's always been that way with everybody, obviously he had a deeper relation with some girls more than others, but no way you could stop him from doing what he wanted. he could choose a girl in a club, during a show, at a party wherever he had occasion, usually he had an offical girlfriend most of the time waiting for him in an hotel room while he was looking around..

I have never had the impression he was under any drug, so until his death I had no idea of it.

After his death a person I really trust told me he had an addiction he was trying to keep under control giving somebody else the pills he had to take so even if he ask for more somebody else was in charge not to give him too much. But the last years the ones in charge were yes man so the person I know was expecting something bad could happen.

My deep feeling is he decided to leave this world that way and knowing him a little I understand why..

Year after year I knew more about him, but i always loved him more. I didn't care all the people around, band members and so on.., telling around he was an asshole, they are the same people who only say good words about him now and are making money with his music and his fans.

He was so special in so many ways and I didn't really cared abot the rest

Man, I would love to see all those women together! Maybe the police should follow thát trail (chlamydia-trail?).

pupa1 said:

Yes I think he committed suicide, he knew he wasn't ok, the emergency plane landing one week before was a big signal and Prince was so many things but not stupid at all, or probably his first attempt was on the plane..more, after knowing his physical condition why he took some pills without knowing exactly which ones....and so many other details..the elevator..the clothes..

ok so help me along with your thinking. when you say the elevator... and the clothes... can you

tell me exactly what you mean so i don't put in what "I think" you mean.

If i was going to take the suicide train, i really don't see him choosing the elevator. But please, i want

your thoughts on your reasoning. thx.

paisleypearl said:

pupa1 said:

Yes I think he committed suicide, he knew he wasn't ok, the emergency plane landing one week before was a big signal and Prince was so many things but not stupid at all, or probably his first attempt was on the plane..more, after knowing his physical condition why he took some pills without knowing exactly which ones....and so many other details..the elevator..the clothes..

No no no nope he would have made a will, he had too many assets and reasons to live. There is no way he would have had on yesterday's clothes for the biggest exit of his life.

He left a LLC and he had his masters. He had contracts in place to license and distrube the music. He made provisions outside of a will because wills can be contested. He tied up loose ends, made admends with people and was closing down his studio.

I do not think the clothes mean anything about a suicide. I think he knew he is end was coming.

laurarichardson said:

You are unfucking belivable. If someone is abusing drugs and alcohol it is noticeable. You do not have to be some expert to tell.

I didn't say "abusing". I said "using" and "under the influence". And you (typically) glossed over the part where I mentioned "depending on the the amount", meaning, yes, in excess it's quite noticeable but in moderation and "as prescribed" not so much, but I've come to expect that from you and the manner in which you "engage" through your black and white lenses. Your head is like an impenetrable fucking block of granite.

You seem to think that a person in a chemically altered state of mind is "fall down mumbling Keith Richards/Slash/Amy Winehouse/Tiger Woods" or "completly coherent". I can flat out guarantee you with 100% percent certaintly that in the last two to three days, if you left the house, you have interacted with someone under the influence of SOMETHING and never noticed. Xanax, pain pills, weed, anti depressants, alchohol...There are degrees to being under the influence but you seem to view the matter like...well...I'm not sure exactly how you view it beyond describing it as "binary".

Meaning that it seems you still cling to the stubborn belief that someone is either on nothing at all or otherwise is an inchorent, incompetent, stumbling retard who mumbles constantly, crashes cars into shopping malls, can't write thier name on a piece of paper and is too dysfunctional to hold a job. What you're pointing out and trying to claim the high ground as an expert on is when someone is obviously WAY out of thier fucking minds and assuming that everyone acts like that when they take a pill, have a drink or smoke a joint or something. IN short, you're claiming that it's "obvious" when someone is using something but you're missing the fact that MOST PEOPLE ONLY NOTICE IT WHEN IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS. Get it now? In what sense is this difficult? Prince's drug use wasn't like that. Obviously.

You're delusional and dense, with a brain wrapped in concrete and whose CNS seems to blocked iwth some sort of road tar. You have no idea what you're talking about but I'm sure that won't stop you from doing it more than anyone else on the board and owning the record of Most Posts. You continue to gloss over relevant and thoughtful posts that call you out, point out the holes and flaws in your arguments and kick and scream like a child. Shit, you even managed to get temporarily banned from a message board known for its loss tolerance, unless I'm mis-remembering that. Read more. Post less. Educate yourself.

What I'm saying is I think you're an idiot pretending to be smart on the internet who knows next to nothing about drug use, legal or otherwise, and that you seem to think that posting about it the most makes you correct somehow. Shit I don't need to point it out. Keep posting and let everyone read your ignorance.

I bolded the relevant parts since it's obvious you don't like to read.

laurarichardson said:

Bassette said:

pupa1 said:

Since 1990 I have seen so many things..none can know for sure what happened that day, at least with the infos we have been told, but i can only say what i have witnessed and what i have been told from people I really trust:

Prince had hundreds of women during his life, he had multiple relathionhips ( just for a night or months) even during his marriages. He was the only one taking the decision about meeting a woman and he could change his mind at the last moment. It's always been that way with everybody, obviously he had a deeper relation with some girls more than others, but no way you could stop him from doing what he wanted. he could choose a girl in a club, during a show, at a party wherever he had occasion, usually he had an offical girlfriend most of the time waiting for him in an hotel room while he was looking around..

I have never had the impression he was under any drug, so until his death I had no idea of it.

After his death a person I really trust told me he had an addiction he was trying to keep under control giving somebody else the pills he had to take so even if he ask for more somebody else was in charge not to give him too much. But the last years the ones in charge were yes man so the person I know was expecting something bad could happen.

My deep feeling is he decided to leave this world that way and knowing him a little I understand why..

Year after year I knew more about him, but i always loved him more. I didn't care all the people around, band members and so on.., telling around he was an asshole, they are the same people who only say good words about him now and are making money with his music and his fans.

He was so special in so many ways and I didn't really cared abot the rest

Man, I would love to see all those women together! Maybe the police should follow thát trail (chlamydia-trail?).

forgive me for not remembering correctly i have read so many Prince books they are starting to run together, but i believe it was AH"S or devin's. At a memorial get together for vanity. JJ was with Apples and a few more of the purple harem. and JJ says to Prince(per the book) "thank you

for giving me all these ladies" and Prince's reply was "Oh so your ok with it now". that just cracks

me up his scarcastic self. probably didnt feel so great to share him at the time but the chain of events did give all those women a bond, that from my point of view, i would want if i were one of them.

herb4 said:

It is reported he had clothes bacward and inside out, it was his choice to me, like an hidden message

The elevator take me to the let' go crazy lyrics, the day after he had to see a doctor coming from California... anyway this is my opinion i respect any other view..

purplefam99 said:

Bassette said:

Man, I would love to see all those women together! Maybe the police should follow thát trail (chlamydia-trail?).

forgive me for not remembering correctly i have read so many Prince books they are starting to run together, but i believe it was AH"S or devin's. At a memorial get together for vanity. JJ was with Apples and a few more of the purple harem. and JJ says to Prince(per the book) "thank you

for giving me all these ladies" and Prince's reply was "Oh so your ok with it now". that just cracks

me up his scarcastic self. probably didnt feel so great to share him at the time but the chain of events did give all those women a bond, that from my point of view, i would want if i were one of them.

Would you than be a yes-woman or a no-woman?

DD55 said:

purplefam99 said:

Chris's death was ruled suicide correct? cause of the way he was found.

Sheeish, Take a step back and think about sitting and watching TV. Almost every night…. how many drug commercials end with the disclaimer ‘may cause suicidal thoughts’? So sad on so many levels.

This is a good example of what I'm talking about in my occasional rants.

Obviously, Cornell was using SOMETHING over the years; anti depressants, benzos, weed, booze...whatever....He was 5 years younger than Prince when he went out and on the record as having WAY more substance abuse issues than anyone suspects Prince of having. Can anyone cite an interview or a performance where he was completely out out of it and where it was "Obvious" he was on drugs and fucked up? I'm not a huge fan but can anyone say he wasn't prolific and creative at an above average level for his entire professional life?

I'll wait for the Prince.org substance abuse expert to chime in on the matter.

pupa1 said:

It is reported he had clothes bacward and inside out, it was his choice to me, like an hidden message

The elevator take me to the let' go crazy lyrics, the day after he had to see a doctor coming from California... anyway this is my opinion i respect any other view..

ok thanks for helping me along pupa1. i respect your feelings.

i feel perhaps he was in his boxers and when found they just didnt want him seen like that and

quickly dressed him out of respect. i would hope if i was found like that my loved ones would dress

me too, especially if was a celebrity. thx.

paisleypearl said:

herb4 said:

I didn't say "abusing". I said "using" and "under the influence". And you (typically) glossed over the part where I mentioned "depending on the the amount", meaning, yes, in excess it's quite noticeable but in moderation and "as prescribed" not so much, but I've come to expect that from you and the manner in which you "engage" through your black and white lenses. Your head is like an impenetrable fucking block of granite.

You seem to think that a person in a chemically altered state of mind is "fall down mumbling Keith Richards/Slash/Amy Winehouse/Tiger Woods" or "completly coherent". I can flat out guarantee you with 100% percent certaintly that in the last two to three days, if you left the house, you have interacted with someone under the influence of SOMETHING and never noticed. Xanax, pain pills, weed, anti depressants, alchohol...There are degrees to being under the influence but you seem to view the matter like...well...I'm not sure exactly how you view it beyond describing it as "binary".

Meaning that it seems you still cling to the stubborn belief that someone is either on nothing at all or otherwise is an inchorent, incompetent, stumbling retard who mumbles constantly, crashes cars into shopping malls, can't write thier name on a piece of paper and is too dysfunctional to hold a job. What you're pointing out and trying to claim the high ground as an expert on is when someone is obviously WAY out of thier fucking minds and assuming that everyone acts like that when they take a pill, have a drink or smoke a joint or something. IN short, you're claiming that it's "obvious" when someone is using something but you're missing the fact that MOST PEOPLE ONLY NOTICE IT WHEN IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS. Get it now? In what sense is this difficult? Prince's drug use wasn't like that. Obviously.

You're delusional and dense, with a brain wrapped in concrete and whose CNS seems to blocked iwth some sort of road tar. You have no idea what you're talking about but I'm sure that won't stop you from doing it more than anyone else on the board and owning the record of Most Posts. You continue to gloss over relevant and thoughtful posts that call you out, point out the holes and flaws in your arguments and kick and scream like a child. Shit, you even managed to get temporarily banned from a message board known for its loss tolerance, unless I'm mis-remembering that. Read more. Post less. Educate yourself.

What I'm saying is I think you're an idiot pretending to be smart on the internet who knows next to nothing about drug use, legal or otherwise, and that you seem to think that posting about it the most makes you correct somehow. Shit I don't need to point it out. Keep posting and let everyone read your ignorance.

I bolded the relevant parts since it's obvious you don't like to read.

BRAVO!

herb4...there's like a race car burnin' rubber in your pants...HOT...GO...Don't stop now!

purplefam99 said:

pupa1 said:

It is reported he had clothes bacward and inside out, it was his choice to me, like an hidden message

The elevator take me to the let' go crazy lyrics, the day after he had to see a doctor coming from California... anyway this is my opinion i respect any other view..

ok thanks for helping me along pupa1. i respect your feelings.

i feel perhaps he was in his boxers and when found they just didnt want him seen like that and

quickly dressed him out of respect. i would hope if i was found like that my loved ones would dress

me too, especially if was a celebrity. thx.

Mumio said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4, THANKS for the brilliant recap about drugs that everyone on this thread should read slowly and internalize. I also think the bolded above is the alpha and omega re Prince and drugs. For his hip pain he had many choices: yoga, massage, acupuncture/pressure, replacement, physical therapy, non-addictive drugs, etc. For never feeling comfortable in his own skin he had fewer options, and once therapy is off the table, you're pretty much left with self-medicating and denial=death.

We have heard many many times here about the drug addict theory and for many of us, it doesn't hold water in regard to Prince. So there is nothing to read slowly and internalize. As a matter of fact, you saying that implies the rest of us who think differently about the drug addict theory are stupid. Don't be so foolish to make assumptions like that. You aren't dealing with idiots here, many are professionals and can read and understand very clearly and think differently about this scenario.

oooooooooo.....so mysterious.

I haven't read one single thing you've contributed to any of these dicsussions/threads beyond cryptic "behind the scenes" innuendo, hints at "insider information", suggestions to "read between the lines" and a sort of weird, off putting Puppet Master style of disseminating "information", such as it is. By which I mean "no information or ideas at all" and "complete nonsense" disguised as hipster chic. If you have posted anything relevant, I've certainly missed it so maybe you can climb down off the purple throne you built for yourself, descend from the paisley clouds and share it with us?

Or dig through your post history and tell us what we should be looking at? I've already done it and, aside from being way cooler than me, you fundamentally have added only two things (by my count) relevant to this discussion:

1.Jack
2.Shit

At least from what I've been able to find but maybe I missed a golden nugget somewhere. Enlighten us, wise one. It's been over a year and you're still trying to be mystic by posting in riddles.

laurarichardson said:

things

You need to read slowly and stop assuming we are a bunch of morons.

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[Edited 6/23/17 12:27pm]

No one's saying there's a BUNCH of morons.

edit: redacted.

[Edited 6/23/17 13:32pm]

purplefam99 said:

pupa1 said:

Yes I think he committed suicide, he knew he wasn't ok, the emergency plane landing one week before was a big signal and Prince was so many things but not stupid at all, or probably his first attempt was on the plane..more, after knowing his physical condition why he took some pills without knowing exactly which ones....and so many other details..the elevator..the clothes..

ok so help me along with your thinking. when you say the elevator... and the clothes... can you

tell me exactly what you mean so i don't put in what "I think" you mean.

If i was going to take the suicide train, i really don't see him choosing the elevator. But please, i want

your thoughts on your reasoning. thx.

There's no reasoning suicide.

pupa1 said:

It is reported he had clothes bacward and inside out, it was his choice to me, like an hidden message

The elevator take me to the let' go crazy lyrics, the day after he had to see a doctor coming from California... anyway this is my opinion i respect any other view..

Maybe. I haven't entirely ruled out suicide (it seems unlikely to me). There's some really cryptic elements on AOA that bug me, and that would be Prince's style if he were planning it but I honestly think it was an accident. The backwards clothes and all that sound like someone half out of their gourd overdosing on "enough fentanyl to kill 50 people" or whatever it was. Anxiously awaiting the posters who write "Well, if I were overdosing on anough drugs to kill an elephant, I would have done THIS".

It certainly makes way more sense than someone trying to dress him to "stage" a suicide, an overdose, cover up a murder of whatever the hell it is people think is "mysterious" about this shit. In fact, quite the opposite. If someone went to the trouble of shutting off the security cams, making sure he was alone, planting or switching pills, slowly adding crap into his food and went to the trouble of dragging the poor guy into the elevator, odds are Prince would have been dressed very carefully to increase the appearance of normalcy. God knows they had time if they needed it.

And on top of it, all this after a failed so called "first attempt" in Moline? When anything untowards would be cast in suspicous light? It's absurd and ridiculous but some people won't let go.

DD55 said:

purplefam99 said:

ok thanks for helping me along pupa1. i respect your feelings.

i feel perhaps he was in his boxers and when found they just didnt want him seen like that and

quickly dressed him out of respect. i would hope if i was found like that my loved ones would dress

me too, especially if was a celebrity. thx.

Org members are coming-out now and discussing possibilities, without fear of being bullied away (not saying you). It’s time to let all voices be heard and people allowed to really discuss the issue without fear of being put down by the naysayers and deniers.

.

In addition, some org’er,s myself included, have been circling around the possibility that Prince’s death wasn’t accidental, that perhaps it was his own personal decision.

.

I personally have a very close family member who attempted to take her own life, luckily she made it and is whole and happy today. It was a struggle for the entire family. When someone is in such a dark place, nothing matters, what you have, what you own, what you’re wearing, you just want the pain to end. You actually think people will be happier with you gone! You think are doing them a favor. It is a very dark place. I don’t know that’s where he was mentally, but he sure as heck didn’t look well, whether by disease, depression or drug use, hopefully someday we will know the truth.

.

Whatever happened, no one thinks or will think less of him as a man or musician. We all still love him and will always love him. But after all these months, private org notes and hints by those close to him, many org’ers are tired, have cried too many tears, and simply just want the truth, whatever it may be.

.

Respectfully open to discussion and different opinions.

.

Peace,

DD55

thanks for writing this. I sent you an org note so as not to derail. Still not buying that Prince intentionally checked out but I think it's at least more possible than he was intentionally killed. I can't entirely rule it out but maybe my vision is clouded by recent developments.

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

DD55 said:

Org members are coming-out now and discussing possibilities, without fear of being bullied away (not saying you). It’s time to let all voices be heard and people allowed to really discuss the issue without fear of being put down by the naysayers and deniers.

.

In addition, some org’er,s myself included, have been circling around the possibility that Prince’s death wasn’t accidental, that perhaps it was his own personal decision.

.

I personally have a very close family member who attempted to take her own life, luckily she made it and is whole and happy today. It was a struggle for the entire family. When someone is in such a dark place, nothing matters, what you have, what you own, what you’re wearing, you just want the pain to end. You actually think people will be happier with you gone! You think are doing them a favor. It is a very dark place. I don’t know that’s where he was mentally, but he sure as heck didn’t look well, whether by disease, depression or drug use, hopefully someday we will know the truth.

.

Whatever happened, no one thinks or will think less of him as a man or musician. We all still love him and will always love him. But after all these months, private org notes and hints by those close to him, many org’ers are tired, have cried too many tears, and simply just want the truth, whatever it may be.

.

Respectfully open to discussion and different opinions.

.

Peace,

DD55

thanks for writing this. I sent you an org note so as not to derail. Still not buying that Prince intentionally checked out but I think it's at least more possible than he was intentionally killed. I can't entirely rule it out but maybe my vision is clouded by recent developments.

Sharing ones' thoughts/feelings in a gentle and respectful way is so healing and important. Thank you for writing this. Lately, I have been musing a lot about 'fandom' and how it distorts both the fan and the object of adoration. Prince 'carefully curated' himself (in Wendy's words) so as to have all the important components necessary to rally the fans: the physical beauty, the look, the mystique, the moves, his own color! , talent up the wazoo and adorable genetalia on display with some frequency to keep things spicy. However, it seems that being a fan comes with a cost...the surrender of logic/clear vision? and the cost to Prince was, well, everything.

leec1 said:

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

You are unfucking belivable. If someone is abusing drugs and alcohol it is noticeable. You do not have to be some expert to tell.

I didn't say "abusing". I said "using" and "under the influence". And you (typically) glossed over the part where I mentioned "depending on the the amount", meaning, yes, in excess it's quite noticeable but in moderation and "as prescribed" not so much, but I've come to expect that from you and the manner in which you "engage" through your black and white lenses. Your head is like an impenetrable fucking block of granite.

You seem to think that a person in a chemically altered state of mind is "fall down mumbling Keith Richards/Slash/Amy Winehouse/Tiger Woods" or "completly coherent". I can flat out guarantee you with 100% percent certaintly that in the last two to three days, if you left the house, you have interacted with someone under the influence of SOMETHING and never noticed. Xanax, pain pills, weed, anti depressants, alchohol...There are degrees to being under the influence but you seem to view the matter like...well...I'm not sure exactly how you view it beyond describing it as "binary".

Meaning that it seems you still cling to the stubborn belief that someone is either on nothing at all or otherwise is an inchorent, incompetent, stumbling retard who mumbles constantly, crashes cars into shopping malls, can't write thier name on a piece of paper and is too dysfunctional to hold a job. What you're pointing out and trying to claim the high ground as an expert on is when someone is obviously WAY out of thier fucking minds and assuming that everyone acts like that when they take a pill, have a drink or smoke a joint or something. IN short, you're claiming that it's "obvious" when someone is using something but you're missing the fact that MOST PEOPLE ONLY NOTICE IT WHEN IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS. Get it now? In what sense is this difficult? Prince's drug use wasn't like that. Obviously.

You're delusional and dense, with a brain wrapped in concrete and whose CNS seems to blocked iwth some sort of road tar. You have no idea what you're talking about but I'm sure that won't stop you from doing it more than anyone else on the board and owning the record of Most Posts. You continue to gloss over relevant and thoughtful posts that call you out, point out the holes and flaws in your arguments and kick and scream like a child. Shit, you even managed to get temporarily banned from a message board known for its loss tolerance, unless I'm mis-remembering that. Read more. Post less. Educate yourself.

What I'm saying is I think you're an idiot pretending to be smart on the internet who knows next to nothing about drug use, legal or otherwise, and that you seem to think that posting about it the most makes you correct somehow. Shit I don't need to point it out. Keep posting and let everyone read your ignorance.

I bolded the relevant parts since it's obvious you don't like to read.

herb4 you are a joy!

herb4 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

herb4 said:

I didn't say "abusing". I said "using" and "under the influence". And you (typically) glossed over the part where I mentioned "depending on the the amount", meaning, yes, in excess it's quite noticeable but in moderation and "as prescribed" not so much, but I've come to expect that from you and the manner in which you "engage" through your black and white lenses. Your head is like an impenetrable fucking block of granite.

You seem to think that a person in a chemically altered state of mind is "fall down mumbling Keith Richards/Slash/Amy Winehouse/Tiger Woods" or "completly coherent". I can flat out guarantee you with 100% percent certaintly that in the last two to three days, if you left the house, you have interacted with someone under the influence of SOMETHING and never noticed. Xanax, pain pills, weed, anti depressants, alchohol...There are degrees to being under the influence but you seem to view the matter like...well...I'm not sure exactly how you view it beyond describing it as "binary".

Meaning that it seems you still cling to the stubborn belief that someone is either on nothing at all or otherwise is an inchorent, incompetent, stumbling retard who mumbles constantly, crashes cars into shopping malls, can't write thier name on a piece of paper and is too dysfunctional to hold a job. What you're pointing out and trying to claim the high ground as an expert on is when someone is obviously WAY out of thier fucking minds and assuming that everyone acts like that when they take a pill, have a drink or smoke a joint or something. IN short, you're claiming that it's "obvious" when someone is using something but you're missing the fact that MOST PEOPLE ONLY NOTICE IT WHEN IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS. Get it now? In what sense is this difficult? Prince's drug use wasn't like that. Obviously.

You're delusional and dense, with a brain wrapped in concrete and whose CNS seems to blocked iwth some sort of road tar. You have no idea what you're talking about but I'm sure that won't stop you from doing it more than anyone else on the board and owning the record of Most Posts. You continue to gloss over relevant and thoughtful posts that call you out, point out the holes and flaws in your arguments and kick and scream like a child. Shit, you even managed to get temporarily banned from a message board known for its loss tolerance, unless I'm mis-remembering that. Read more. Post less. Educate yourself.

What I'm saying is I think you're an idiot pretending to be smart on the internet who knows next to nothing about drug use, legal or otherwise, and that you seem to think that posting about it the most makes you correct somehow. Shit I don't need to point it out. Keep posting and let everyone read your ignorance.

I bolded the relevant parts since it's obvious you don't like to read.

herb4 you are a joy!

Herb, everyone, don't let her bait you. When you see the name, just scroll on by or we'll end up with this thread locked as well. Do not respond to any posts or engage. Let's keep the discussion going and open to all ideas. Thank you!

I don’t think he committed suicide. It just doesn’t add up for me. I can’t see this as suicide just because there was a lot of fentanyl in his system.

If it was suicide, the medical examiner would have found evidence of it and also L.E. would have seen signs of this. Until I read that authorities have reached a different conclusion, I will view this as the overdose tragedy it has been deemed to be.

I have posted before that in my lifetime I have been around many drug users. All of these drug users who did not enter rehab are dead. Many of the users that I have known who survived, have gone through rehab multiple times.

From various articles, Prince tried to solve his drug issues on an outpatient basis, which was a sure set-up for failure.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

I am going to stick to my script here ... I think he had been self-medicating for some time for both physical and emotional pain. Whether his death was accidental or deliberate, none of us knows. I think the ME should go back and rescind the "accidental" finding on her report. If the toxicology results are accurate, I think we are dealing with something other than an accident. JMO

It's almost as though a dank, dark fog is slowly lifting and we can see/feel more clearly what we probably knew in our hearts the instant we heard about the elevator and the clothes. I think it's taken all this time to process the truth that we really knew very little about Prince because we wanted so very badly to be enveloped in his vision of love, juicy sex, no inhibitions and dancing till the dawn. But, even though his pathological control of his image/public persona was total and unrelenting somewhere long the line, IMO, HE lost the thread of the glorious Prince-genius-new Mozart narrative and now we are in Jimi, Janis, Amy, MJ, Elvis and Jim Morrison territory and we have to come to grips with this reality. RIP.

It might be easy to say now but I think Prince should really have semi-retired for his own good, at least for a few years, the same as Beethoven and Miles Davis did - who themselves were thought to have health issues.

If only to focus his entire energy on beating the problem. The rock 'n' roll generation of artists all slowed right down, and even more prolific ones like Ray Charles, James Brown knew when to wind down.

Flipside, considering bone pain issues are said to never improve, and given that recording and performing was his typical way of distracting himself from anything of concern, maybe he concluded there was no other way of dealing with it.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

This is a good example of what I'm talking about in my occasional rants.

Obviously, Cornell was using SOMETHING over the years; anti depressants, benzos, weed, booze...whatever....He was 5 years younger than Prince when he went out and on the record as having WAY more substance abuse issues than anyone suspects Prince of having. Can anyone cite an interview or a performance where he was completely out out of it and where it was "Obvious" he was on drugs and fucked up? I'm not a huge fan but can anyone say he wasn't prolific and creative at an above average level for his entire professional life?

I'll wait for the Prince.org substance abuse expert to chime in on the matter.

--If he had way more abuse issues than Prince had ( how the hell would you know )...

From Chris Cornell's own admissions about his heavy substance abuse.