1Sasha said:

Laydown said:

Maybe it was suicide,accidental overdose just doesnt cut it for me cos evryone who takes drugs know how much. If anyone is gonna argue my opinion,save your time and energy,I could care less.

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'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way'

It is hard for me to believe what I am writing here, but maybe he - in that moment - just like Chris Cornell - in that moment - he was just "done." Do you know what I mean? He had no one. He was a bank to essentially everyone in his circle. He was getting older. Maybe the music wasn't spilling out of him like it had before. His popularity outside of his core fanbase was pretty much non-existent. Everything he had worked for and lived for seemed to be falling away. And there might have been medical issues, on top of drug use.

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Sasha,I kinda think a lil different,He had everything,He achieved evrything and all his problems got to him so much that he thought to himself "Look at me,Im King,I got evrything Ive done evrything and now Ive had enough,im gone".

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'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way' RIP P

Can I just ask... did anyone assess whether that TMZ pic of Prince on that parking lot is really a Wallgreen's? Read somewhere that it was actually taken elsewhere.:

" The photo above is not the parking lot of Walgreens. Its most likely the back parking lot of the DMV office located at 4100 Lakeview Ave North, ..., MN 55422, where Prince recently got his updated drivers license. You can search that address on Google and see it for yourself."

You know, I had a relative who lived in the area until later in June 2016. She said the talk changed from accidental to deliberate in May, about a month after he passed away.

1Sasha said:

You know, I had a relative who lived in the area until later in June 2016. She said the talk changed from accidental to deliberate in May, about a month after he passed away.

People like Prince wont wait,they make things happen. They take control and they decide,MJ too. No one can tell me Prince didnt know he had taken too much. Im not saying this in disrepect or ill manner. Hes everything to me and so was Mj. Kings take their life,its life and its the truth. Death before dishonour. Mj couldnt do 50 shows in UK. Prince had enough.

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'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way' RIP P

MMJas said:

Can I just ask... did anyone assess whether that TMZ pic of Prince on that parking lot is really a Wallgreen's? Read somewhere that it was actually taken elsewhere.:

" The photo above is not the parking lot of Walgreens. Its most likely the back parking lot of the DMV office located at 4100 Lakeview Ave North, ..., MN 55422, where Prince recently got his updated drivers license. You can search that address on Google and see it for yourself."

Even if it was Walgreens he was not doing anything illegal by going to Walgreens. If he had been going there for over a year picking up Rx like it was said it is obvious he was dealing with something and was not afraid to be on camera in that store picking something up.

Like I said for a guy dealing with a drug habit and actually commiting a crime by having drugs he sure was out in the open a lot. Make no sense does it.

laurarichardson said:

paulludvig said:

There's no such thing as Norwegian countries. Perhaps you mean Scandinavian contries of which Norway is one of them?

Someone thinks there are see the following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegians

Norwegians (Norwegian: nordmenn) are a Germanic ethnic group native to Norway.^{[11][12][13][14]} They share a common culture and speak the Norwegian language. Norwegian people and their descendants are found in migrant communities worldwide, notably in the United States, Canada, Australia, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico, New Zealand, United Kingdom and South Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries

The Nordic countries or Nordics^[1] are a geographical and cultural region in Northern Europe and the North Atlantic, where they are most commonly known as Norden (lit.: The North). They consist of Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden, including the associated territories of Greenland, the Faroe Islands, and the Åland Islands.

I was pretty sure I did not make this word up.

What is Norway and where is it? What is the EU? What is Prince's bald spot and importantly where?

Why can't anyone who seen it on facebook, just summarize what it said?

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Someone thinks there are see the following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegians

Norwegians (Norwegian: nordmenn) are a Germanic ethnic group native to Norway.[11][12][13][14] They share a common culture and speak the Norwegian language. Norwegian people and their descendants are found in migrant communities worldwide, notably in the United States, Canada, Australia, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico, New Zealand, United Kingdom and South Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries

The Nordic countries or Nordics[1] are a geographical and cultural region in Northern Europe and the North Atlantic, where they are most commonly known as Norden (lit.: The North). They consist of Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden, including the associated territories of Greenland, the Faroe Islands, and the Åland Islands.

I was pretty sure I did not make this word up.

What is Norway and where is it? What is the EU? What is Prince's bald spot and importantly where?

The bald spot is on top of Prince's head but from your post there must be one in your mind as well. I will get the pic on someday but I am pretty sure life will go on for you if you do not get to see Prince's bald spot. Take up Norwegians with the whole of the American speaking world. It is not a word I made up and you can see that for yourself. Some of you are so caught up with wanting me or anyone who disagrees with you to be wrong you can't see past that.

When I figure out how to get my pics on the board and viewable I will gladly post them.

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Laydown said:

1Sasha said:

It is hard for me to believe what I am writing here, but maybe he - in that moment - just like Chris Cornell - in that moment - he was just "done." Do you know what I mean? He had no one. He was a bank to essentially everyone in his circle. He was getting older. Maybe the music wasn't spilling out of him like it had before. His popularity outside of his core fanbase was pretty much non-existent. Everything he had worked for and lived for seemed to be falling away. And there might have been medical issues, on top of drug use.

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Sasha,I kinda think a lil different,He had everything,He achieved evrything and all his problems got to him so much that he thought to himself "Look at me,Im King,I got evrything Ive done evrything and now Ive had enough,im gone".

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'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way' RIP P

1Sasha, it poured off the screen how hard this was for you to write...my heart breaks...but I think you and Laydown are uttering a truth that years from now we will be able to accept with peace and equinimaty. Perhaps not now...but eventually we will understand that he was determined to be in control of his last moments on earth.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

Welcome2daRevolution said: Why won't the origonal posters answer this simple question??? [Edited 6/21/17 3:08am]

I would like to post the actual screen shots and I am waiting for one of the mods to give me some instruction on how to get the screen shots on the board. If I cannot do that I will go ahead and provide the link but this is from a Facebook page and the group is closed. You will not see anything unless you joint the group.

I would be hesitant to posts screenshot from a closed group as the poster would believe their comments are intended only for those who belong to the group. This would also be true for the other commenters/members of the closed group.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

I would like to post the actual screen shots and I am waiting for one of the mods to give me some instruction on how to get the screen shots on the board. If I cannot do that I will go ahead and provide the link but this is from a Facebook page and the group is closed. You will not see anything unless you joint the group.

I would be hesitant to posts screenshot from a closed group as the poster would believe their comments are intended only for those who belong to the group. This would also be true for the other commenters/members of the closed group.

I would only do this if I can get the actual picture. I would not post anyone's comments about this screen shot on this board and if I cannot get the pic without the comments I will not post anything.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I would be hesitant to posts screenshot from a closed group as the poster would believe their comments are intended only for those who belong to the group. This would also be true for the other commenters/members of the closed group.

I would only do this if I can get the actual picture. I would not post anyone's comments about this screen shot on this board and if I cannot get the pic without the comments I will not post anything.

Transfer the pic to tinypic or photobucket and then upload here.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I would be hesitant to posts screenshot from a closed group as the poster would believe their comments are intended only for those who belong to the group. This would also be true for the other commenters/members of the closed group.

Exactly this. This info is posted in a closed group. The reason closed groups exist is because the general public is not intended to see what is being posted and commented on. I will not bring screenshots of conversations in a closed group to the org.

Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I would be hesitant to posts screenshot from a closed group as the poster would believe their comments are intended only for those who belong to the group. This would also be true for the other commenters/members of the closed group.

Exactly this. This info is posted in a closed group. The reason closed groups exist is because the general public is not intended to see what is being posted and commented on. I will not bring screenshots of conversations in a closed group to the org.

Then the member of the closed group should have never mentioned it here on the Org, which is open. The member wants to respect the closed group, but references it here in an open forum?

nelcp777 said:

Then the member of the closed group should have never mentioned it here on the Org, which is open. The member wants to respect the closed group, but references it here in an open forum?

Someone asked why there had been no response to requests for info. I gave my answer. I did not bring this subject up initially. But do keep in mind, that saying whatever one wants to say also comes with an open forum. Don't be petty.

nelcp777 said:

One of the two groups I am in is now listed as "secret" because people were posting videos and the admin didn't want FB to shut it down. It is now really tame. What has been said in the closed groups - I think we've probably posted it here before.

Mumio said:

nelcp777 said:

Then the member of the closed group should have never mentioned it here on the Org, which is open. The member wants to respect the closed group, but references it here in an open forum?

Someone asked why there had been no response to requests for info. I gave my answer. I did not bring this subject up initially. But do keep in mind, that saying whatever one wants to say also comes with an open forum. Don't be petty.

Petty? Then my comment falls under your bolded.

moonsister said:

It makes them feel important that's all. Whatever is on that closed group is bound to be a bunch of bull.

Agree moonsister!

1Sasha said:

One of the two groups I am in is now listed as "secret" because people were posting videos and the admin didn't want FB to shut it down. It is now really tame. What has been said in the closed groups - I think we've probably posted it here before.

Laydown said:

1Sasha said:

It is hard for me to believe what I am writing here, but maybe he - in that moment - just like Chris Cornell - in that moment - he was just "done." Do you know what I mean? He had no one. He was a bank to essentially everyone in his circle. He was getting older. Maybe the music wasn't spilling out of him like it had before. His popularity outside of his core fanbase was pretty much non-existent. Everything he had worked for and lived for seemed to be falling away. And there might have been medical issues, on top of drug use.

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Sasha,I kinda think a lil different,He had everything,He achieved evrything and all his problems got to him so much that he thought to himself "Look at me,Im King,I got evrything Ive done evrything and now Ive had enough,im gone".

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'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way' RIP P

I haven't seen many fans talking about the possibility of suicide, it's a possibility that I'm seeing from the non-fans a lot more on different message boards, maybe people here are just too close to see that. I think it was a good possiblity myself.

Laydown said:

1Sasha said:

You know, I had a relative who lived in the area until later in June 2016. She said the talk changed from accidental to deliberate in May, about a month after he passed away.

People like Prince wont wait,they make things happen. They take control and they decide,MJ too. No one can tell me Prince didnt know he had taken too much. Im not saying this in disrepect or ill manner. Hes everything to me and so was Mj. Kings take their life,its life and its the truth. Death before dishonour. Mj couldnt do 50 shows in UK. Prince had enough.

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'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way' RIP P

i don't know if michael was up to it or not. I tend to think he would have been fine. Even if he wasn't 25 anymore, Elvis gave horrible shows and people still loved him, they would have loved Mike too. So, I don't think MJ took his life at all, that was what murray tried to say but they said it would have been impossible for him to do it the way they found the drip settup.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

Search my posts. I've posted about it too much. It has something to do with coverups, murder, unanswered questions, Warner Bros, the Illuminatti...bullshit basically. Mostly, I think it has to do with some people's natural tendency to project infallibility onto their heroes, a lack of understanding and acceptance, a certain amount of straight up ignornace, a bit of denial and, in some cases, straight up crazy. To some, "official evidence reports" are just another part of the cover upand somehow "raise more questions then they answer", and adding to the suspicion. Because they haven't got the WHOLE story, they think something is being hidden which poonts to somethign more nefarious.

Basically, (and to paraphrase because I don't speak for them) it comes down to people's ignorance about the nature of addiction and what they think a "drug user" is like, near as I can tell anyways. Because, you know, NOBODY EVER wrote great music or created wonderful art while high. Please.

This whole horrible thing is a lesson on Occam's Razor and there's some real Alex Jones shit going on in these threads. For whatever reason, a lot of people here simply refuse to face the fact that Prince, in all likelihood, had a prescription pain medicine addiction that worsened over time and got out of control. It's basically "not MY PRince. Not the Prince that I KNEW!" As if they knew him.

Hey herb4, thanks for your point of view and patience in elucidating it ad infinitum. I agree totally, especially the bolded above. A little theory of mine is that BC Prince 'changed up' his appearance and music so frequently , and was around for so long, he was able convince numerous and diverse groups of fans that they 'knew' the real Prince. Hell, Prince didn't know the real Prince! Yet each era of fandom is heavily invested in protecting 'their' Prince...so on the org. we get this echo chamber of denial, lack of logic, sheer ignorance and those who are bullied into submission by LR, etc.whose life is selling the not-my-Prince party line. I'm in Occam's Gang and being much older than the average org. member I've seen, done, experienced and survived A LOT. So, when I hear of someone being found dead in an elevator with their clothes on backwards and their vitamin bottles filled with street drugs...my first thought isn't that a car hit them.

Well, thanks for lending a tone of much needed brevity to the board. Prince was a tremendously private individual; very controlling, domineering and often withdrawn. I doubt that anyone really got to truly know him totally, and certainly not LR, who seems to think that simply having the mosts posts on this board equates to being the most enlightened.

I don't pretend to know everything but I'm not fucking stupid and have been around the block a few times with drugs; personally, familially as well as socially and nothing I've seen or read jumps out at me as especially mysterious or conspiratorial. It's all right there unless you have a personal obsessive interest in Prince posthumous image, a skewed view of his "tarnished" legacy, a touch of hero worship that somehow affects you personally and/or a genuine ignorance of the nature of addiction and drug use.


It's like knowing someone died in a car wreck and had a BAC of .15 but they were driving someone else's car for some reason, we don't where the person was going, how fast they were travelling or exactly what time they crashed so therefore, since those are unanswered questions, There Must Be More to the Story ergo, a cover up involving WB or the Illuminatti or some crap. It's bullshit of course and mostly it's amusing, sometimes it's angering and it's always frustrating. It's lke the 9/11 "Loose Change" nonsense. I honeslty don;t know how some of the people posting here tie their shoes and function on a day to day to basis if they can truly entertain their nutty perspectives as being based in reality.

I feel confident that I know about 98% of what transpired and comfortable that I'll probably never know the other 2% but 98% is enough of anything. Only thing I don't know is where Prince got the drugs, but I think I know that too.

If strong evidence ever surfaces that Prince was murdered, I'll post a publlic apology to the board and never post here again.

fortuneandserendipity said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40318604/ant-mcpartlin-checks-into-rehab-for-alcohol-and-drug-problem

^^Article on celeb whose opiate addiction issues started with an injury and prescribed painkillers. Same thing happened to Jamie Lee Curtis but she managed to quit.

There is a consistent theme here, that if you take opiates for whatever reason - whether for pain or recreationally - the nervous system responds to them in the same way.

So someone taking them for pain will be just as likely to become addicted to them - and probably even more so - as the recreational user. Taken longer than a month at a time, and the body will be physiologically addicted to them, and in the very same way, the user will

become psychologically addicted to them. Pain issues or no. I don't see what's so difficult about this for people to grasp?

Because he was PRRRIIINNNNCE! Larger than life, above it all and superhuman. If i read "He could not have been along term abuser of these drugs and acheive at the level he did" one more fucking time, I'm going to do my detractors a favor and rip my fucking eyeballs out. I've posted numerous examples of very high functioning drug users who dabbled in things for more nefarious than what finally did Prince in but people seem to want to plug their fingers in their ears and go "nu-uh".

It's astonishing to read and when it's not funny, it's fucking depressing and infuriating. Knowing that some of the people here might some day wind in my jury box gives me the shudders.

People I respect who are sober now and/or who treat/counsel people with abuse issues have said he used for decades, probably. You are right about those who put him on a pedestal and slaughter anyone who says a word that knocks him down a little bit.

sonshine said:

The saddest part with some orgers and posters here is that they don't realize its because of people like them and their attitudes that prevent people like Prince getting the help they desperately need and want. The fierce denial here that Prince struggled with addiction is glaring proof how despicable they find such a condition. The ignorance is mind-blowing. I'm heartbroken that his "fans" would get in the way of what he needed to survive. Instead he and so many others battling substance abuse live in fear of being found out. They fear the humiliation and ostracizing. They fear losing their jobs, their homes, their families, their friends, their fans, THEIR EVERY REASON TO EXIST. Think about this: It was announced this evening on the national news that OPIOID OVERDOSES ARE NOW THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN AMERICANS UNDER AGE 50.

This is a great point (but can you cite that statistic please? Not sure I buy it.). I'm certain that's part of what kept Prince from reaching out for help (the maintenence of his public and personal image, etc.) That and his wealth, his means, the private world he'd created for himself and the empire he'd built staffed by yes men. Dude could do whatever he wanted since, what, 1983 or so and always insisted on doing everything himself (or "with God").

People say he was surrounded by enablers, and certainly he was, and posit that "i would have done this or done that" but I call bullshit. You would have done exactly as Prince asked/demanded and that's what you had to do to live in the Purple Kingdom. If you didn't, you were banished. Three wives, countless band members, business associates, etc. And the people posting that shit here, of ALL people, CERTAINLY would have done it because they seem obsessed with being a part of Prince's life and really knowing him.

They would have brought him a bag of heroin for a chance to live in Paisley Park.

It wouldn't be difficult at all for someone in Prince's position to gradually build up a rather pedestrian pain pill habit into a full blown addiction over time, which was likely decades. Shit, in a lot of ways (and I was thinking about this yesterday) it actually explains some of the more bizarre, contradictary, abrupt and outlandish things he'd done over the years; the name change, the seemingly short attention span and lack of follow through on projects, etc.

Meh...I'm ranting again. And hungry. Bye.

ooooo....secret Facebook Boards and insider information. The hallmark of reliable information and where gossip certainly goes to die. "you'll have to join the FB club to know the REAL story!"

Jesus Christ has it come to this? That's just fucking embarrassing.

herb4 said:

ooooo....secret Facebook Boards and insider information. The hallmark of reliable information and where gossip certainly goes to die. "you'll have to join the FB club to know the REAL story!"

Jesus Christ has it come to this? That's just fucking embarrassing.

There are more cranks and conspiracy wackos on facebook, trust me.

herb4 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40318604/ant-mcpartlin-checks-into-rehab-for-alcohol-and-drug-problem

^^Article on celeb whose opiate addiction issues started with an injury and prescribed painkillers. Same thing happened to Jamie Lee Curtis but she managed to quit.

There is a consistent theme here, that if you take opiates for whatever reason - whether for pain or recreationally - the nervous system responds to them in the same way.

So someone taking them for pain will be just as likely to become addicted to them - and probably even more so - as the recreational user. Taken longer than a month at a time, and the body will be physiologically addicted to them, and in the very same way, the user will

become psychologically addicted to them. Pain issues or no. I don't see what's so difficult about this for people to grasp?

Because he was PRRRIIINNNNCE! Larger than life, above it all and superhuman. If i read "He could not have been along term abuser of these drugs and acheive at the level he did" one more fucking time, I'm going to do my detractors a favor and rip my fucking eyeballs out. I've posted numerous examples of very high functioning drug users who dabbled in things for more nefarious than what finally did Prince in but people seem to want to plug their fingers in their ears and go "nu-uh".

It's astonishing to read and when it's not funny, it's fucking depressing and infuriating. Knowing that some of the people here might some day wind in my jury box gives me the shudders.

You put into words everything I was thinking.

"If i read "He could not have been along term abuser of these drugs and acheive at the level he did" one more fucking time, I'm going to do my detractors a favor and rip my fucking eyeballs out."

THANK YOU. This is the most annoying shit ever and makes it painfully obvious that whoever's saying it hasn't really done drugs and lacks a real knowledge of it outside what they read about it (which isn't shit). I know the public perception is that 'druggies' act slow, incoherent, and unable to get anything done but get their next fix. These people don't understand how pills work. For many people, they enhance the quality of their life if taken right. For people who need pills, the pills don't make them stumble around like idiots especially after tolerance is built. It helps them accomplish daily things and way more so why is it hard for some posters to believe Prince used medication? He spoke of having depression twice before and had chronic pain so yeah the news he became addicted to opiates isn't hard to believe. It's sad, but just the way it ended. But that doesn't change the fact that, if taken in moderate doses by a healthy person (and P was VERY health-conscious and athletic) responsibly, then it is very possible to go a few decades strong getting shit done. And no one's even saying he was abusing since the 80s (there's no evidence) we're just logically stating that if P's been taking painkillers since 01 or so then there's a chance he used drugs beforehand too. Nothing wrong with that. It's just a sad FACT that near the end, his dependency became addiction and cost him his life

herb4 said:

It wouldn't be difficult at all for someone in Prince's position to gradually build up a rather pedestrian pain pill habit into a full blown addiction over time, which was likely decades. Shit, in a lot of ways (and I was thinking about this yesterday) it actually explains some of the more bizarre, contradictary, abrupt and outlandish things he'd done over the years; the name change, the seemingly short attention span and lack of follow through on projects, etc.

Meh...I'm ranting again. And hungry. Bye.

Agreed. I believe Prince, one of the most disciplined and in-control performer of all time, balanced his pill intake successfully for a long time. It's really not as rare as people make it out to be, folks in our every day lives may be on them but are just quiet about it because it's not even important at that point. Now if he was using coke in the mid 1990s like some say, is a little harder to pinpoint. I tend to think he was doing something because his turn-of-the-century change in his life and strict Jehovah's leanings make me think there was more going on behind the scenes then he cared to share. I know a lot don't like Mayte but she wasn't THAT bad.

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