Last June, I read a really insighful op-ed piece written by the Kornfeld kid. It was published shortly after Prince's autopsy results were made public.

But I'd forgotten to bookmark it back then. So a few months later, when I wanted to quote something from it, I couldn't. Because I'd forgotten on what news site I had first saw it.

Thanks to the google search link you posted, I found it again in your search result hits! Woo.Hoo! Thanks!

Also, there's something important you need to try to understand about Google's search algorithm: It uses a kind of Inference.

What that means in the context of search results, is that although you typed in the word "addict", the results include hits for words like "addiction", "dependence" and so forth.

So your google link doesn't prove your point as well as you probably hoped it would. Sorry.

Awesome, cloveringold85! I'm genuinely interested in grokking as many different points of view as I can. Thanks for answering!

I know that you never set out to "judge Van Jones" in any of your posts. That's not the reason I mentioned him. For my part, I never set out to declare any emotional investment in Van Jones. Because I have none. I am totally ambivalent about the guy, since I know practically nothing about him apart from having seen him speak for 20 or 30 minutes in total, on CNN and such.

The only reason I mentioned Van Jones, was to hopefully get you — and others — to get your heads around the idea that people that utter Prince's name in close proximity to the words "drug" and "addiction", are not necessarily doing so out of an intentionally malicious attempt to "trash Prince's name".

That is all I was trying to say by mentioning Van Jones.

The CNN op-ed piece written by the Kornfeld kid is another case in point where the words "Prince", "drug" and "addiction" are used in the same article. Do you suspect Andrew Kornfield or CNN of "labelling Prince as a drug addict"?

Would you be less suspicious of "The Media" if instead of using the words, "drug addiction" when they talk about Prince, that they substitute those words with, "opioid addiction" instead?

Do you think it is a bad thing that Chaka Khan reportedly sought out help with her own opioid addiction as a direct result of learning from Prince's mistake?

Is it possible that "The Media" might be trying to spread a similar lesson to the man and woman on the street, by leveraging Prince's story? If their ultimate intention in doing that is to save lives, why do you feel so strongly about that being such a bad thing?

Is it because you perceive "The Poster Boy For Drug Addiction" thing as some kind of racial profiling or anything like that?

Thanks in advance for answering, cloveringold85.

phatphuk said:

Take the time to read up on Kornfeild and his clinic before you cheerlead.

PennyPurple said:

You will never get a break.

cloveringold85 said:

Co-sign.

herb4 said:

No you do not know much of anything.

laurarichardson said:

I was talking to an awesomely hip 84 year old lady a few days ago, we have never talked about prince ever, something came up about him, and we talked for a few minutes mostly about how much I love him, and then she said "too bad he was a terrible drug addict" I told her that we really don't know about his drug use and he died from the accidental fentanyl overdose etc etc, and asked her why she thought that, and she said it was all over the tv, just a sad observation from the world...
[Edited 6/14/17 18:10pm]

Proof positive that when you get to be "all growed up", your hipness, your wisdom, your deductive powers, and your inferrence abilities will all eventually improve.

Gives ya something to look forward to! Don't it, hun? ;¬)

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Well there goes our short lived break.

You will never get a break.

Bet? I'm not the one skating on thin ice.

PennyPurple said:

How sad you have to power trip over a message board.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Bet? I'm not the one skating on thin ice.

How sad you have to power trip over a message board.

Me? Power trip? I think you are confused.

Chill and listen to Prince

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"I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way' RIP P

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign.

I was talking to an awesomely hip 84 year old lady a few days ago, we have never talked about prince ever, something came up about him, and we talked for a few minutes mostly about how much I love him, and then she said "too bad he was a terrible drug addict" I told her that we really don't know about his drug use and he died from the accidental fentanyl overdose etc etc, and asked her why she thought that, and she said it was all over the tv, just a sad observation from the world... [Edited 6/14/17 18:10pm]

Well, that's how society goes, there's nothing we can do about it. And that's why Prince hid his addiction problems, knowing that he would be judged. Hence the bike ride, the party and going to that concert, all in the week immediately after the plane incident. The pain he must have been is dreadful to imagine, coupled with the fact that he went the extra mile to hide his fragility from the world and from us. It was so not worth it...
His death made me aware of the fentanyl epidemic, and the same applies to most of us, I guess. So he will always be associated with opioid dependency because that's what caused his death. We have to live with that knowledge and use it towards the enlightenment of society, by correcting people like that old lady and telling them it is, in fact, a terrible problem. Society as a whole still treats drug addicts and alcoholics as marginals and refuses to acknowlege it as ilnesses. Opioid addiction and any other legal medication addiction, like anxiety pills, for instance, should rapidly be added as ilnesses of sorts.

PennyPurple said:

--I am not the one stating that some nonsense about "skating on thin ice". That would be you. Don't worry I will let you enjoy your delusion of power. 🙄

MMJas said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said: I was talking to an awesomely hip 84 year old lady a few days ago, we have never talked about prince ever, something came up about him, and we talked for a few minutes mostly about how much I love him, and then she said "too bad he was a terrible drug addict" I told her that we really don't know about his drug use and he died from the accidental fentanyl overdose etc etc, and asked her why she thought that, and she said it was all over the tv, just a sad observation from the world... [Edited 6/14/17 18:10pm]

Well, that's how society goes, there's nothing we can do about it. And that's why Prince hid his addiction problems, knowing that he would be judged. Hence the bike ride, the party and going to that concert, all in the week immediately after the plane incident. The pain he must have been is dreadful to imagine, coupled with the fact that he went the extra mile to hide his fragility from the world and from us. It was so not worth it...
His death made me aware of the fentanyl epidemic, and the same applies to most of us, I guess. So he will always be associated with opioid dependency because that's what caused his death. We have to live with that knowledge and use it towards the enlightenment of society, by correcting people like that old lady and telling them it is, in fact, a terrible problem. Society as a whole still treats drug addicts and alcoholics as marginals and refuses to acknowlege it as ilnesses. Opioid addiction and any other legal medication addiction, like anxiety pills, for instance, should rapidly be added as ilnesses of sorts.

Thank you for this. I posted a link yesterday on this thread to an amazing article in The New Yorker, "The Addicts Next Door" which delves into the same themes but it instantly got moved to the Politics & Religion thread (?) where I fear very few people struggling with P's death due to opoids will see it. The New Yorker piece also touched on how amazingly effective opoids are for instantly and powerfully relieveing emotional/psychic pain which I believe P suffered with as well as his physical injuries. There should be no shame in suffering from emotional pain...we all knew he had it from listening to his music, knowing of his traumatic losses of loved ones, the 'social anxiety' he felt forever which has been written about for decades, his numerous interviews about the cruelty he suffered as a child because of his small stature, which continued throughout his life as never was an article written about him where words such as pint-sized, diminutive or tiny weren't used as gratitutiously unnecessary descriptions. If we can't learn to be more compassionate to our brothers and sisters who are struggling with all manner of pain than what the hell does Love 4 One Another mean anyway?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

That is super interesting I'm going to find that link and read it.

phatphuk said:

The voice of reason prevails! Nice to have you back.

Awwww! Shucks! You're ony saying that 'cause it's true ;¬)

Great analysis of the Google search results, Phatphuk! I think taking that closer look is really helpful (as is separating stuff written by randos on their facebook pages or their personal blogs -- places where people write all kinds of stuff about all kinds of people -- from stories in legit media outlets).

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The funny thing is, Google tailors a person's search results to their behavioral history, so when I first clicked on the link to the Google "Prince drug addict" search-result page, a thread from Prince.org was among the results. And that thread didn't come up because anyone on it was calling Prince a "drug addict" (no one on the thread did); rather, it's because some people were insisting that other people/places were using that term.

phatphuk said:

kmama07 said:

cloveringold85 said:

NotACleverName said:

I cosign what moonsister said. I, too, have read the blah, blah, blah and then the "Fentanyl epidemic which Prince died from as a result of an accidental overdose" articles. Nothing flammable or disrespectful about that statement. It is only truth and I can handle the truth. Having said that, can someone please share some links in which a news outlet labels Prince "a drugged out rock star"? Or a "long time drug addict"? Or names him as the "poster boy for drug addiction"? Because I have just not read this kind of reporting. And yes, I want those exact words in the article (not threads from this site or a google page of potential options....the actual article) because that is the claim some are making.

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I provided several links in several posts. If you don't have the attention-span to read or click on them, then that's no one's fault but yours.

The voice of reason prevails! Nice to have you back.

Awwww! Shucks! You're ony saying that 'cause it's true ;¬)

Thanks disch

I'd forgoten about Google's privacy eroding practice of tailoring individual search results based on previous browsing behavior. Good call!

That explains why I got different results when I used a different less-hardened browser. Thank phuk for Tor ;¬)

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MMJas said:

Well, that's how society goes, there's nothing we can do about it. And that's why Prince hid his addiction problems, knowing that he would be judged. Hence the bike ride, the party and going to that concert, all in the week immediately after the plane incident. The pain he must have been is dreadful to imagine, coupled with the fact that he went the extra mile to hide his fragility from the world and from us. It was so not worth it...
His death made me aware of the fentanyl epidemic, and the same applies to most of us, I guess. So he will always be associated with opioid dependency because that's what caused his death. We have to live with that knowledge and use it towards the enlightenment of society, by correcting people like that old lady and telling them it is, in fact, a terrible problem. Society as a whole still treats drug addicts and alcoholics as marginals and refuses to acknowlege it as ilnesses. Opioid addiction and any other legal medication addiction, like anxiety pills, for instance, should rapidly be added as ilnesses of sorts.

Thank you for this. I posted a link yesterday on this thread to an amazing article in The New Yorker, "The Addicts Next Door" which delves into the same themes but it instantly got moved to the Politics & Religion thread (?) where I fear very few people struggling with P's death due to opoids will see it. The New Yorker piece also touched on how amazingly effective opoids are for instantly and powerfully relieveing emotional/psychic pain which I believe P suffered with as well as his physical injuries. There should be no shame in suffering from emotional pain...we all knew he had it from listening to his music, knowing of his traumatic losses of loved ones, the 'social anxiety' he felt forever which has been written about for decades, his numerous interviews about the cruelty he suffered as a child because of his small stature, which continued throughout his life as never was an article written about him where words such as pint-sized, diminutive or tiny weren't used as gratitutiously unnecessary descriptions. If we can't learn to be more compassionate to our brothers and sisters who are struggling with all manner of pain than what the hell does Love 4 One Another mean anyway?

We do not know any of the things you are discussing about him because we did not know him on a personal level. Now he had emotional and psychic pain! This is an exact example of what I posted before about people projecting their personal issues on to Prince.

The only thing we know from his own mouth is that he got picked on ( Who had not had that happend especially in a tough neighborhood) It happens you rise above it and you move on.

He was not happy with his homelife. ( Who is as a teen) He even changed his story later and said he was glad he was parents were strict.

Opoids are effective at helping people who have pain managed their lives. The problems started when big pharm realized how much money they could make if the meds were more powerful then needed or prescribed for everything from a broken arm to a tooth ache.

Drug dealers than saw that they had a new market.

There are plenty of articles about this but you can see the mainstream media is not interested in this story and people on this board are not interested either. As I have posted articles about it as well.

Ah! Yes! The old self-fulfilling prophesy!

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

I provided several links in several posts. If you don't have the attention-span to read or click on them, then that's no one's fault but yours.

Which post? Because I only saw one for moonsister. And the links provided directed one to this very message board and to a general list of options for a "prince+drug+addict". That later option is going to pull any and all articles with those three words dispersed among them. That is why I asked for a direct link to a specific article. And, you are always quick to admonish anyone for their (perceived) rude behavior when addressing you; so, I ask you, is your "attention span" comment directed at me necessary?

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Okay, so you did in fact see my post to Moonsister, where I posted links, so why then are you asking me for links?

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Please refer to my posts #654 & 727

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Also, I'm sure you are aware that the term "drug addict" and "drug addiction/addicted" is the same thing.

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drug addiction

Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus, Legal, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
Related to drug addiction: drug abuse

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What??!!

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It's pretty much self-explanatory. Sorry you didn't see it as such.

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phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

All you have to do is Google: "Prince Drug Addict" and dozens upon dozens of stories will come up, and they're not all from tabloid rags.?

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https://www.google.com/se...mp;bih=950?

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http://prince.org/msg/7/437778?

Last June, I read a really insighful op-ed piece written by the Kornfeld kid. It was published shortly after Prince's autopsy results were made public.

But I'd forgotten to bookmark it back then. So a few months later, when I wanted to quote something from it, I couldn't. Because I'd forgotten on what news site I had first saw it.

Thanks to the google search link you posted, I found it again in your search result hits! Woo.Hoo! Thanks!

Also, there's something important you need to try to understand about Google's search algorithm: It uses a kind of Inference.

What that means in the context of search results, is that although you typed in the word "addict", the results include hits for words like "addiction", "dependence" and so forth.

So your google link doesn't prove your point as well as you probably hoped it would. Sorry.

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Here's a question for you, PhatPhuk: Why are you trolling me? There are tons of other people on the Org who feel the same way as I do about the drug issue, so why aren't you asking all the other Orgers the same questions? Why are you grilling me about Van Jones? I honestly have no interest in what Van Jones has to say. I didn't sign up for a drug seminar! smh

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P.S. If you are quoting me for a book or some other publication, please Org note me so that I can be properly compensation for my time. Thanks in advance.

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I have been very kind to you and answered all your questions. Now you are asking me more questions and I feel that I have already explained myself thoroughly concerning this matter.

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I don't remember signing-up for a drug seminar.

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phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

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My answers to your questions are as follows:

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1. Yes, I do agree.

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2. Yes, I know Prince and Van Jones were good friends.

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3. He was obviously aware that Prince had a dependency on opioids, and wanted to bring awareness.

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4. (see #3).

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5. Opioid addicition happens when the body builds a tolerance to the drug and becomes dependent on it. Dependence on opioids can cause withdrawals, thus you cannot stop taking the drug (you keep wanting more), which causes addiction, thus has detrimential affects on one's daily life. Professional treatment and counseling is necessary to help them manage their pain and lead a healthy life.

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Hope that was simple enough.

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Awesome, cloveringold85! I'm genuinely interested in grokking as many different points of view as I can. Thanks for answering!

I know that you never set out to "judge Van Jones" in any of your posts. That's not the reason I mentioned him. For my part, I never set out to declare any emotional investment in Van Jones. Because I have none. I am totally ambivalent about the guy, since I know practically nothing about him apart from having seen him speak for 20 or 30 minutes in total, on CNN and such.

The only reason I mentioned Van Jones, was to hopefully get you — and others — to get your heads around the idea that people that utter Prince's name in close proximity to the words "drug" and "addiction", are not necessarily doing so out of an intentionally malicious attempt to "trash Prince's name".

That is all I was trying to say by mentioning Van Jones.

The CNN op-ed piece written by the Kornfeld kid is another case in point where the words "Prince", "drug" and "addiction" are used in the same article. Do you suspect Andrew Kornfield or CNN of "labelling Prince as a drug addict"?

Would you be less suspicious of "The Media" if instead of using the words, "drug addiction" when they talk about Prince, that they substitute those words with, "opioid addiction" instead?

Do you think it is a bad thing that Chaka Khan reportedly sought out help with her own opioid addiction as a direct result of learning from Prince's mistake?

Is it possible that "The Media" might be trying to spread a similar lesson to the man and woman on the street, by leveraging Prince's story? If their ultimate intention in doing that is to save lives, why do you feel so strongly about that being such a bad thing?

Is it because you perceive "The Poster Boy For Drug Addiction" thing as some kind of racial profiling or anything like that?

Thanks in advance for answering, cloveringold85.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign.

I was talking to an awesomely hip 84 year old lady a few days ago, we have never talked about prince ever, something came up about him, and we talked for a few minutes mostly about how much I love him, and then she said "too bad he was a terrible drug addict" I told her that we really don't know about his drug use and he died from the accidental fentanyl overdose etc etc, and asked her why she thought that, and she said it was all over the tv, just a sad observation from the world... [Edited 6/14/17 18:10pm]

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There ya go! Another perfect example!

cloveringold85 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said: I was talking to an awesomely hip 84 year old lady a few days ago, we have never talked about prince ever, something came up about him, and we talked for a few minutes mostly about how much I love him, and then she said "too bad he was a terrible drug addict" I told her that we really don't know about his drug use and he died from the accidental fentanyl overdose etc etc, and asked her why she thought that, and she said it was all over the tv, just a sad observation from the world... [Edited 6/14/17 18:10pm]

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There ya go! Another perfect example!

Exactly what a few of us have been saying.

phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

All you have to do is Google: "Prince Drug Addict" and dozens upon dozens of stories will come up, and they're not all from tabloid rags.?

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https://www.google.com/se...mp;bih=950?

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http://prince.org/msg/7/437778?

Last June, I read a really insighful op-ed piece written by the Kornfeld kid. It was published shortly after Prince's autopsy results were made public.

But I'd forgotten to bookmark it back then. So a few months later, when I wanted to quote something from it, I couldn't. Because I'd forgotten on what news site I had first saw it.

Thanks to the google search link you posted, I found it again in your search result hits! Woo.Hoo! Thanks!

Also, there's something important you need to try to understand about Google's search algorithm: It uses a kind of Inference.

What that means in the context of search results, is that although you typed in the word "addict", the results include hits for words like "addiction", "dependence" and so forth.

So your google link doesn't prove your point as well as you probably hoped it would. Sorry.

And to further back up your point! prince+harry+drug+addict=...ry&od?

I'm not "trolling you", cloveringold85. And my posts weren't a drug seminar. They were a list of questions. Not rhetorical questions. Real questions! Borne of genuine, sincere curiousity.

And like I've already said. My most recent set of questions are not about Van Jones. Read them carefully. You'll see.

My posts weren't preaching to you, hun. They were pleading with you. Pleading with you to help me understand whatever the reason is that compels you to post "Prince Is The Media's Poster Boy For Drug Addiction!" over and over. 6 and 7 threads in a row. One thread immediately after another. Several times a day. Every day of the week. For several weeks running!

That kind of pathologically repetitive behavior is bound to cause a compassionate, nurturing person like myself, to be concerned for your stability and try to help you regain your composure. At the very least, such extaordinarily repetitious behavior is naturally gonna pique any level-headed, reasonable person's curiousity. Hence my list of questions.

If you want to be perceived as a mature adult who is capable of holding your own in a public forum converstion with other mature adults, then resorting to playing the "troll" card just because someone asks you questions that would clarify your assertions, isn't a very grown up way to present yourself. Calling somebody a "troll" as a means to end a converstion you're uncomfortable with, is the online forum-equivalent of the smarmy politician who's caught embezzling pension funds and his only defense is to squirm his way out of the situation with diversionary tactics to make the scrutiny go away.

Of course you're not a smarmy, squirming politician are you, hun? So I don't see why you don't just do the grown up thing and answer my above list of questions. Pretty please?

Even though my questions were directed to cloveringold85 — as she requested that I do a few posts back — since this is a public discussion forum anybody else who feels the same way as cloveringold85 does about the drug issue should please feel free to speak for her and help me to understand the issue from either cloveringold85's perspective and/or your own perspective.

Thanks in advance — again — for answering, cloveringold85 (or any other grown up orger speaking on her behalf).