Laura, as I posted before with links to reputable sites, some women have more pain that you (or your friend) apparently had from this surgery and they get prescribed pain medication. Period.

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Can you either stop discussing this person or -- if you find yourself unable to stop talking about her -- take it to the Associated Artists section?

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

At this point I am glad I never had children so I cannot participate in the conversation ...

Having a C-section is not that bad. Some people on here are just as mellow dramatic as Mayte.

She was dealing with other issues then physical pain and people on here are not open to understanding that at all.

What on Earth are you talking about, hun? Antics!?! I'm sitting behind your picture of Jack Nicholson. And you're sitting behind my picture of Shelley Duvall. A perfect match! Right?

Now then. Can you simply answer my simple questions? Pretty please?

1. What're your thoughts on people like Van Jones and his work with Advocates For Opioid Recovery?
   
   
2. Do you think it's a bad thing if somebody like Van Jones talks about Prince's accidental overdose when he's rallying to recruit more advocates for opioid recovery?

I am sincerely curious to know what your thoughts are on those two questions. What could be simpler?

Purplestar88 said:

herb4 said:

SAying this every single day doesn't make it true.

I wrote a long post about the escalating nature of addiction and several others about highly functioning drug addicts but, for whatever reason, you seem to enjoy discounting provable facts to conform with your predetermined conclusions. A 5, 10, 20 or even 40 or 50 mg per day Vicodin habit would in no way inhibit a person from functioning at a high level and, again, it ESCALATES over time. Do you READ other people's posts?

Do you even know what building tolerance means? If Prince started taking these as prescribed 2 decades ago and gradually built up a tolerance, then he'd have to take more for them to have THE EXACT SAME EFFECT as when he first started. I've used the alcohol example before also and, again, for some reason you ignore that too, along with anything else anyone writes that doesn't jib with you predetermined narrative.

A heavy drinker doesn't start out downing a fifth of scotch every day.

No one knows what was the nature of his "addiction" to claim anything as fact.

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I think we know enough to understand what happened.

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I have no problem with responding to your questions. If you have a question for someone, it's much easier to ask nicely, instead of provoking them.

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So, to answer your question. I was not talking about Van Jones work with advocates for opioid recovery. What I was saying that I do not approve of how Prince's name is being trashed in the media and he is being labled as a "drug addict", and that is what I was addressing in my other posts and provided links to some articles where Prince was being labeled as a "drug addict". I've expressed my views on this many times and I think it's disrespectful to Prince's name and legacy for people to be labeling him as such. That is all I was trying to say. Please, do not misconstrue my words.

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Being an advocate for drug addiction/dependency is one thing, but defamation of character is something completely different. I was not judging Van Jones or said anything about him with regards to Prince's "alleged" drug use.

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Like I said numerous times here, Prince's death is still an ongoing investigation, and we do not know how he obtained the illegal Fentanyl, or if he was even a long-time user of the drug, so it's really unfair for people to be calling Prince a "drug addict", when we just do not have all the facts.

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phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

PHATPHUK: ARE YOU SPEAKING TO ME? BE DIRECT IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ME. Don't be a coward and a bully; it's not attractive and speaks in volumes about your level of maturity. We know your history of trolling antics here.?

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It's easy to sit behind a computer screen and act all tough, arrogant, pompous, when there is no accountability for your actions, right?

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phatphuk said:

sonshine said:

phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

sonshine said:

Not sure this is the right place to share these thoughts but im going to anyway. As someone who works in a clinical setting every day i am keenly aware of the current opioid epidemic and its a special interest of mine keeping up with the latest news. I dont think its a coincidence that in the last year there has been a deliberate and focused effort on many fronts to combat the issue. While every one of the lives lost due to this crisis is of extreme value i do believe that Prince's death has played a role in the increased awareness of the existence and seriousness of opiate abuse and addiction. Whatever the outcome of the investigation it gives me a bit of comfort knowing his death will not be totally in vain. Its still a tragedy that should never have happened, but the lessons learned from his death and so many others will surely save lives in the future. Still heartbreaking and senseless it had to come to this and that help was just a little too late for him. The opiate epidemic i believe will historically go down as the biggest tragedy (and set back) of modern medicine. It's hard to wrap my head around such an idea when I live in a country that is world renowned for it's quality of healthcare. Its going to take time, money, and effort but i believe we will eventually conquer this disasterous period. Thanks in part to Prince and many others who paid the ultimate price.

It's a terrible epidemic and it is truly sad how Prince is being used as the poster boy for opiod addiction. I've read countless articles about the Fentanyl epidemic and pain pill addiction and Prince's name is always being thrown in there. I think it's a travesty, considering Prince's death is still an ongoing investigation and we still do not know how he obtained those illegal (street drugs) Fentanyl pills, which he most-likely did not know he was taking.

What're your thoughts on people like Van Jones and his work with Advocates For Opioid Recovery?

Do you think it's a bad thing if somebody like Van Jones talks about Prince's accidental overdose when he's rallying to recruit more advocates for opioid recovery?

Not sure who you are asking but to your second question - No, I do not think it's a bad thing.

Sorry sonshine. I thought it was obvious to whom my reply was addressed.

Whatsamatta, cloveringShellyDuvallold85? Bat gotta U tongue?

What on Earth are you talking about, hun? Antics!?! I'm sitting behind your picture of Jack Nicholson. And you're sitting behind my picture of Shelley Duvall. A perfect match! Right?

Now then. Can you simply answer my simple questions? Pretty please?

1. What're your thoughts on people like Van Jones and his work with Advocates For Opioid Recovery?
   
   
2. Do you think it's a bad thing if somebody like Van Jones talks about Prince's accidental overdose when he's rallying to recruit more advocates for opioid recovery?

I am sincerely curious to know what your thoughts are on those two questions. What could be simpler?

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

SAying this every single day doesn't make it true.

I wrote a long post about the escalating nature of addiction and several others about highly functioning drug addicts but, for whatever reason, you seem to enjoy discounting provable facts to conform with your predetermined conclusions. A 5, 10, 20 or even 40 or 50 mg per day Vicodin habit would in no way inhibit a person from functioning at a high level and, again, it ESCALATES over time. Do you READ other people's posts?

Do you even know what building tolerance means? If Prince started taking these as prescribed 2 decades ago and gradually built up a tolerance, then he'd have to take more for them to have THE EXACT SAME EFFECT as when he first started. I've used the alcohol example before also and, again, for some reason you ignore that too, along with anything else anyone writes that doesn't jib with you predetermined narrative.

A heavy drinker doesn't start out downing a fifth of scotch every day.

I do not care to read your nonsense.I do not give a crap about what you or anyone else thinks. My opinion is based on logic not personal experiences with drugs that makes me make assumptions.

But we should read yours?

That's what I'm talking about. You argue in circles, repeat yourself constantly, ignore substantive things that others write (while telling over half of us that we can't read) and posit yourself as an authority on matters you clearly know little about. You're "not interested in what anyone else thinks"? Seriously? Actually, that checks out and it explains a lot about the way you engage people because you only seem interested in reading the words you yourself type. I guess we should all just check out of the thread and let you post in a vacuous echo chamber feedback loop inhabited by you alone until you yourself magically unravel this "mystery".

You don't care what anyone else thinks yet post on this message board 10 or 20 times a day? What for then?

Lastly, see if you can spot the inherent contradition and the crumbled logic in that humdinger of a last sentence you wrote. Paraphrasing: "I'll apply logic to this thing I've never experienced."

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and tell someone about what it's like to fight in a war even though I've never been in the military. I did kill a few Nazis on Xbox though so listen to me...

All you have to do is Google: "Prince Drug Addict" and dozens upon dozens of stories will come up, and they're not all from tabloid rags.

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https://www.google.com/se...mp;bih=950

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http://prince.org/msg/7/437778

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cloveringold85 said:

moonsister said:

cloveringold85 said:

All you have to do is Google: "Prince Drug Addict" and dozens upon dozens of stories will come up, and they're not all from tabloid rags.

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https://www.google.com/se...mp;bih=950

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http://prince.org/msg/7/437778

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Now why would I google that?? I don't poke myself in the eye with sticks, and it would never occur to me to google ugly crap about Prince!!

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Well, I guess you don't pay attention to the news then. I was only showing that as an example. No, I don't go out of my way to google "Prince Drug Addict".

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Oh, nevermind.

herb4 said:

Purplestar88 said:

No one knows what was the nature of his "addiction" to claim anything as fact.

[Edited 6/11/17 5:05am]

I think we know enough to understand what happened.

Not in my opinion. You can not say your opinion is fact. How do you know if he was a "functioning drug addict" or "had tolerance"? How do you know these things?

Very good! Very good! Thanks.

Now. This is a snippet of the mission statement from AOR's 'About' page…

So. Your thoughts, please…

1. From reading and understanding that snippet, do you agree that AOR's core concern is stamping out opioid addiction?
   
   
2. Did you know that Van Jones and Prince were best buds?
   
   
3. What do you imagine are the reasons that compelled Van Jones — immediately after Prince's death — to get involved with an organization whose core concern is stamping out opioid addiction? Try to keep your answer simple.
   
   
4. Do you imagine it was just a coincidence that Van Jones all of a sudden felt compelled to dedicate his energies to an organization that supports the recovery of people who are addicted to opioids, so soon after his best bud dies?
   
   
5. Please explain what you understand to be the difference between "opioid addiction" and "drug addiction"?

Thanks in advance.

I think Phat may be on to something with Vans sudden interest in the opioid addiction epidemic.

Thanks Penny. I'm also of the opinion that it's equally noteworthy what Van Jones — and other's that were closest to Prince — are not putting any energies into…

1. Advocating For The American Cancer Society
   
   
2. Advocating For The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
   
   
3. Accusing "The Media" of spreading misinformation
   
   
4. Pointing fingers at Paisley Park employees and Prince's relatives

Like I always say: Just like when playing a musical instrument — a lot of the time, it is what is not said, that's the most important thing.

That is very true Phat. I wish Prince's family would throw some energy into backing what ever caused his death. He was very high profile, and they might be able to make a difference in somebody's life.

phatphuk said:

PennyPurple said:

I think Phat may be on to something with Vans sudden interest in the opioid addiction epidemic. ?

Thanks Penny. I'm also of the opinion that it's equally noteworthy what Van Jones — and other's that were closest to Prince — are not putting any energies into…

1. Advocating For The American Cancer Society
   
   
2. Advocating For The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
   
   
3. Accusing "The Media" of spreading misinformation
   
   
4. Pointing fingers at Paisley Park employees and Prince's relatives

Like I always say: Just like when playing a musical instrument — a lot of the time, it is what is not said, that's the most important thing.

1Sasha said:

I have to say I didn't like Tyka's song/video. Too much of her. I mean, really? JMO

Not trying to sound arrogant but here goes,I wouldnt even bother checking the track out.

disch said:

phatphuk said:

Well there goes our short lived break.

PennyPurple said:

I think Phat may be on to something with Vans sudden interest in the opioid addiction epidemic.

Let's see. He got knocked out of being a personal representative of certain heirs. His claim-to-fame buddy is gone. Oh yes ... let's get on the opioid bandwagon now. As you can tell, I do not care for this man at all.

1Sasha said:

PennyPurple said:

I think Phat may be on to something with Vans sudden interest in the opioid addiction epidemic.

Let's see. He got knocked out of being a personal representative of certain heirs. His claim-to-fame buddy is gone. Oh yes ... let's get on the opioid bandwagon now. As you can tell, I do not care for this man at all.

Van is ok, not one of my favs either, but he's not one of the worst ones.

"…did anyone say that Prince was not using these drugs?" Yup. They sure have. More to the point. Several people here feel compelled to repeat several dozen times a day — every day of the week; week in and week out — that Prince was not addicted to opioids.

You'll have to excuse me, L⁰, for not knowing who "Pheadra" is. I'm not that kind of Prince fan¹. I'll assume s/he's a former Prince associate.

But yeah. Fair enough. A former Prince associate advocating for awareness of, and improved treatment for Alzheimers, could be construed to mean Prince had Alzheimers. Sure. Why not?

Would I make such a stretch of the imagination myself personally?

Well. When I ask myself — "Does that mean Prince had Alzheimers?" — what instinctually pops into my head, are these other questions…

1. "How straighforward would it be to infer a conclusion that Prince had Alzheimers based on what is publicly known?"
   
   
2. "How straightforward would it be to infer a conclusion that Prince nursed an opioid addiction based on what is publicly known?"

So, the best answer I can give you, La-La, is: It is way simpler to infer that Prince was nursing a long-time opioid addiction. But it would take too many convoluted mental gymnastics to arrive at the Alzheimers conclusion. So since I'm a long-time practitioner of Occam's Razor, I would tend to rule out Alzheimers and conclude — based on inference — that it is more likely that Prince was nursing a long-time opioid addiction; versus any other medical condition.

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¹I did not know who Van Jones was either, until I saw him on CNN reports right after Prince died. And in the HLN "How It Really Happened" documentary.

1Sasha said:

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

Let's see. He got knocked out of being a personal representative of certain heirs. His claim-to-fame buddy is gone. Oh yes ... let's get on the opioid bandwagon now. As you can tell, I do not care for this man at all.

Van is ok, not one of my favs either, but he's not one of the worst ones.

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My answers to your questions are as follows:

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1. Yes, I do agree.

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2. Yes, I know Prince and Van Jones were good friends.

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3. He was obviously aware that Prince had a dependency on opioids, and wanted to bring awareness.

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4. (see #3).

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5. Opioid addicition happens when the body builds a tolerance to the drug and becomes dependent on it. Dependence on opioids can cause withdrawals, thus you cannot stop taking the drug (you keep wanting more), which causes addiction, thus has detrimential affects on one's daily life. Professional treatment and counseling is necessary to help them manage their pain and lead a healthy life.

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Hope that was simple enough.

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phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I have no problem with responding to your questions. If you have a question for someone, it's much easier to ask nicely, instead of provoking them.

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So, to answer your question. I was not talking about Van Jones work with advocates for opioid recovery. What I was saying that I do not approve of how Prince's name is being trashed in the media and he is being labled as a "drug addict", and that is what I was addressing in my other posts and provided links to some articles where Prince was being labeled as a "drug addict". I've expressed my views on this many times and I think it's disrespectful to Prince's name and legacy for people to be labeling him as such. That is all I was trying to say. Please, do not misconstrue my words.

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Being an advocate for drug addiction/dependency is one thing, but defamation of character is something completely different. I was not judging Van Jones or said anything about him with regards to Prince's "alleged" drug use.

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Like I said numerous times here, Prince's death is still an ongoing investigation, and we do not know how he obtained the illegal Fentanyl, or if he was even a long-time user of the drug, so it's really unfair for people to be calling Prince a "drug addict", when we just do not have all the facts.

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Very good! Very good! Thanks.

Now. This is a snippet of the mission statement from AOR's 'About' page…

Together we are rewriting the prescription for opioid addiction treatment.

Advocates for Opioid Recovery is a nonprofit organization dedicated to advancing a science-based, evidence-based treatment system that can reduce death and suffering from opioid addiction, and produce more long-term opioid addiction survivors who are positively engaged in their families and communities

So. Your thoughts, please…

1. From reading and understanding that snippet, do you agree that AOR's core concern is stamping out opioid addiction?
   
   
2. Did you know that Van Jones and Prince were best buds?
   
   
3. What do you imagine are the reasons that compelled Van Jones — immediately after Prince's death — to get involved with an organization whose core concern is stamping out opioid addiction? Try to keep your answer simple.
   
   
4. Do you imagine it was just a coincidence that Van Jones all of a sudden felt compelled to dedicate his energies to an organization that supports the recovery of people who are addicted to opioids, so soon after his best bud dies?
   
   
5. Please explain what you understand to be the difference between "opioid addiction" and "drug addiction"?

Thanks in advance.

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He knows those things because he's better than the average person at inferring things from all the information that is publicly available.

Inference is the trick that makes it possible for Watson to destroy humans in the game of Jeopardy.

Like it or not — not everybody is good at inferring stuff. That's not something everybody will grok. But it's a fact, nonetheless.

On one end of the spectrum of inferrence ability, is Watson. On the opposite end of that spectrum is the proverbiasl "two short planks" ;¬).

Everybody's ability to infer stuff, lies somewhere in between those two extremes. Strange. But true!

NotACleverName said:

I cosign what moonsister said. I, too, have read the blah, blah, blah and then the "Fentanyl epidemic which Prince died from as a result of an accidental overdose" articles. Nothing flammable or disrespectful about that statement. It is only truth and I can handle the truth. Having said that, can someone please share some links in which a news outlet labels Prince "a drugged out rock star"? Or a "long time drug addict"? Or names him as the "poster boy for drug addiction"? Because I have just not read this kind of reporting. And yes, I want those exact words in the article (not threads from this site or a google page of potential options....the actual article) because that is the claim some are making.

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I provided several links in several posts. If you don't have the attention-span to read or click on them, then that's no one's fault but yours.

DD55 said:

PennyPurple said:

Van is ok, not one of my favs either, but he's not one of the worst ones.

Full disclosure I don’t like Van Jones and think is is a phony, opportunist and liar.

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Least we not forget he is a 9/11 conspiracy ‘truth’ believer, he advocates for convicted cop killers, and got his ‘green energy’ credentials under the Obama administration, who later fired him.

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.... I removed his more controversial statements.....

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He is claiming Clinton used her money unwisely in a fiery speech (how does he know and who is he to judge? What position has he ever run for?).

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Now he is praising Trump. wtf ... Van Jones is shooting his mouth off and doing so any way he can to get noticed.

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He is throwing spaghetti at the wall to try to see what sticks, and if using Prince (who is not here to correct him) will get him noticed, he’ll do that too.

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Ok, Van is now onto the opioid bandwagon….

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Peace, ~~DD55

Co-sign

cloveringold85 said: