While we don't know what exactly is going on with Prince's investigation, in Minnesota, "whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree."

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So basically if the drugs that killed Prince were illegally supplied to him in Minn., whoever supplied them could be charged with 3rd-degree murder (even if Prince knowingly accepted the drugs and the person supplying them didn't know they contained deadly fentanyl doses).

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What happens in other states would depend on those states' laws (the Minn. law isn't specific to fentanyl and I don't know if othe states have fentanyl-specific laws, or if fed. laws apply in some circumstances.)

1Sasha said:

Bassette said:

Something I wondered about this opoïd epidemic in America: Is every fentanyl-related death treated like a homicide? If It's not, it means police/ or law inforcement, whatever, must have found serious clues to actually call this a homicide( investigation) . Not that I didn't Read about stacked pills, but I think there have to Be more clues- we don't know about.

I don't know what they do. Maybe the best they can do - if any pills are lying around the body - is to take the pills and analyze them to see if such a batch showed up elsewhere.

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Thank you, Disch.

Bassette said:

Laydown said:

Its no wonder why P wanted this site shut down.

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For real!!

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He probably laughed his ass off at most of this nonsense, but I'm sure some of it pissed him off too!

DD55 said:

Laydown said:

Its no wonder why P wanted this site shut down.

Laydown, I'm starting to totally agree.

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Oh good gosh! Could we all stop with the ‘I had, I needed, I took’ comments! We are all different at different times of our lives, depending on where we are, how healthy we feel and what’s going on in our lives.

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No one can really compare themselves to anyone else in the same or equal situation even with the same medical condition.

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At the risk of contradicting myself, i’ve had two children with one child I had an epidural and I took Tylenol w/ Codeine for at least a full week to ten days after the birth, with the other birth it was completely natural, I had a midwife, and didn’t as much as take a Tylenol. Go figure. Different mindset, preparedness, health, awareness, time of day (one was afternoon and i was well rested, the other 8am where I was up all night and tired), etc.

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We have to stop with the comparisons of ‘what we did’ or 'what we took,' etc. at any particular time. It all depends on how well we were prepared, how healthy we were prior to the medical incident and numerous other factors. So what one person needs at one particular time of an illness is not necessarily what another needs/wants.

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So please, we have to stop making judgments about another people and comparing what we think is appropriate in a similar situation, because we simply don't know what was going on in their lives or how they were/felt at the time or the circumstances. JMHO ~~DD55

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I don't think people are necessarily comparing themselves to the level of pain that Prince was in; just sharing our own personal experiences with pain and meds. It's natural for people to share stories with no intent to harm the other persons feelings.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I did not say it was not okay for her to have them I said there is a possibility that she was abusing them. I love how you make this women out to be infallible. Prince was of course abusing his meds but it is impossible that she was? Think about how ridiculous that sounds as she is a person capable of abusing her meds like anyone else. In fact I do not understand why anyone would be down on either one of them if they were abusing meds or drinking. They lost their child and then those two stupid nannies tried to sell the baby pics to the tabloids and Prince was accused of killing the child. I would have been living in a Rum bottle if it was me in that situation. [Edited 6/12/17 4:41am] [Edited 6/12/17 4:43am]

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Yes, and Mayte did post videos on YT and she was clearly under the influence of alcohol. She was acting dopey and slurring her words. This was after Prince died. I understand she was in a lot of emotional pain, but putting that on YT for the world to see??

sonshine said:

Not sure this is the right place to share these thoughts but im going to anyway. As someone who works in a clinical setting every day i am keenly aware of the current opioid epidemic and its a special interest of mine keeping up with the latest news. I dont think its a coincidence that in the last year there has been a deliberate and focused effort on many fronts to combat the issue. While every one of the lives lost due to this crisis is of extreme value i do believe that Prince's death has played a role in the increased awareness of the existence and seriousness of opiate abuse and addiction. Whatever the outcome of the investigation it gives me a bit of comfort knowing his death will not be totally in vain. Its still a tragedy that should never have happened, but the lessons learned from his death and so many others will surely save lives in the future. Still heartbreaking and senseless it had to come to this and that help was just a little too late for him. The opiate epidemic i believe will historically go down as the biggest tragedy (and set back) of modern medicine. It's hard to wrap my head around such an idea when I live in a country that is world renowned for it's quality of healthcare. Its going to take time, money, and effort but i believe we will eventually conquer this disasterous period. Thanks in part to Prince and many others who paid the ultimate price.

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It's a terrible epidemic and it is truly sad how Prince is being used as the poster boy for opiod addiction. I've read countless articles about the Fentanyl epidemic and pain pill addiction and Prince's name is always being thrown in there. I think it's a travesty, considering Prince's death is still an ongoing investigation and we still do not know how he obtained those illegal (street drugs) Fentanyl pills, which he most-likely did not know he was taking.

Still selective memory, or as they call it these days, alternate facts. YOU did indeed say, that Mayte didn't need any pain pills prescribed to her after having Amiir. YOU said that, and it was on the Mayte thread that was deleted. You said that she shouldn't have been prescribed anything for pain, that having a C-section doesn't require take home pain meds. Again you are back tracking. You said that Prince needed the pain pills because he had an invasive surgery, and that anyone who has invasive surgery should have pain pills, but that totally contradicted what you said about Mayte having a prescription for pain pills.

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I think you post so much you forget what you say, or you just don't want to stand behind your words. I think you truly hate this woman that you've never met.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

NO Laura, again...you did say that she didn't need the pain pills and don't know why she would've even been sent home with her. That is exactly what you said on the Mayte thread that had been deleted. Everyone jumped down your throat about it, too. You seem to have a selective memory & now you're back tracking. You make these idiotic statements, and think that nobody remembers what you really said.

I do not have a selective memory. I even say on t his thread I do not think she needed know weeks supply of pain meds. I even said I got one pill and another person said they only received a few. I think you get more if you ask for more and I am doubting she needed them for weeks and I have never and will never back down from that thought.

Here it is again for you so you get in in your head.

1) I do not think Mayte needed weeks of pain pills. ( Obvisouly she had more than a few days supply if she was taking them at home)

2) I think she abused the meds she received.

3) I think from her own comments she had post partum depression and medicated with those pills.

4) I find it odd that some of you think it is okay for her to have a supply of pain pills for a C-Section which is not anywhere near as invasive as any joint pain surgery but chastise Prince as abusing pills for grins and laughs.

5) I have had two kids and two very invasive surgeries and I did not get a big supply of pain meds for the C-section compared to what I received for the two surgeries.( In fact Gallbladder surgery you are put out of the hospital the same day and my supply of pills was small with no refill. I know other people who have had C-Section who did not get a big supply of pain pills to take home. I find her comments about it to be suspect and that is my opinion.

I hope this was clear enough for you and maybe one day you will actually answer my questions which are far from idiotic.

Why do you think that women is incapable of tellling tall tales to put money in her pocket, in capable of having abused pills or just some angel with wings flying out of her backside? Because to me that is idiotic.

laurarichardson said:

We do not know if her husband took any of her pills and in fact she does not even know if he took any.

I am saying she did not need to take a large quanity of pills home in the first place and if she had not taken a quanity home she would not be confused about where they went.

If you are going to make an accusation be fucking factual. Which she is not. Must have been all that hoku smoking and drunk youtube video filming.

PennyPurple said:

I guess she wouldn't have needed to get weeks of pain pills, had her husband not have been taking hers.....

You are no Dr. and don't know shit.

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ATTN MODS: Can we please have the deleted Mayte thread back, so Laura can see where she said Mayte didn't need meds after her C-Section and shouldn't have been prescribed them???

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

We do not know if her husband took any of her pills and in fact she does not even know if he took any.

I am saying she did not need to take a large quanity of pills home in the first place and if she had not taken a quanity home she would not be confused about where they went.

If you are going to make an accusation be fucking factual. Which she is not. Must have been all that hoku smoking and drunk youtube video filming.

You are no Dr. and don't know shit.

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ATTN MODS: Can we please have the deleted Mayte thread back, so Laura can see where she said Mayte didn't need meds after her C-Section and shouldn't have been prescribed them???

Mods. Yes I also support and second Penney's request. Thank you.

delete. wrong post.

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This makes me sad.

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I'm not a moderator. Though I do play one on T.V.…

PHAT You're back.

M.m.mwwaa! D.a.a.h.h.h.ling! ;¬)

PennyPurple said:

Still selective memory, or as they call it these days, alternate facts. YOU did indeed say, that Mayte didn't need any pain pills prescribed to her after having Amiir. YOU said that, and it was on the Mayte thread that was deleted. You said that she shouldn't have been prescribed anything for pain, that having a C-section doesn't require take home pain meds. Again you are back tracking. You said that Prince needed the pain pills because he had an invasive surgery, and that anyone who has invasive surgery should have pain pills, but that totally contradicted what you said about Mayte having a prescription for pain pills.

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I think you post so much you forget what you say, or you just don't want to stand behind your words. I think you truly hate this woman that you've never met.

laurarichardson said:

I do not have a selective memory. I even say on t his thread I do not think she needed know weeks supply of pain meds. I even said I got one pill and another person said they only received a few. I think you get more if you ask for more and I am doubting she needed them for weeks and I have never and will never back down from that thought.

Here it is again for you so you get in in your head.

1) I do not think Mayte needed weeks of pain pills. ( Obvisouly she had more than a few days supply if she was taking them at home)

2) I think she abused the meds she received.

3) I think from her own comments she had post partum depression and medicated with those pills.

4) I find it odd that some of you think it is okay for her to have a supply of pain pills for a C-Section which is not anywhere near as invasive as any joint pain surgery but chastise Prince as abusing pills for grins and laughs.

5) I have had two kids and two very invasive surgeries and I did not get a big supply of pain meds for the C-section compared to what I received for the two surgeries.( In fact Gallbladder surgery you are put out of the hospital the same day and my supply of pills was small with no refill. I know other people who have had C-Section who did not get a big supply of pain pills to take home. I find her comments about it to be suspect and that is my opinion.

I hope this was clear enough for you and maybe one day you will actually answer my questions which are far from idiotic.

Why do you think that women is incapable of tellling tall tales to put money in her pocket, in capable of having abused pills or just some angel with wings flying out of her backside? Because to me that is idiotic.

I said she did not need to take any home fool. Everyone gets an upper epirdual in the hospital and you might be offered a pain pill or two in the hospital but I find it odd she would need to take any home and I still do. I do not see why it would be needed as I already explained why based on other surgeries I had. I am not going to explain it anymore because you seem to be the only one that is not getting the picture.

I do not hate her I just do not believe all the words coming out her mouth like you do. I also do not believe in double standards. She can be drunk off her ass after Prince's death and he was the devil for being distraught maybe drinking or drugging ( who knows with her constantly changing her story ) over his child's death. I do not hate her I feel sorry for her and people like yourself who keep beliving her nonsense.

What is your point. I am questioning her need to take home vicoden because you usually have some in the hospital and there is no reason to take any home. I am still questioning it because I do not anyone that needed to this.

phatphuk said:

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

We do not know if her husband took any of her pills and in fact she does not even know if he took any.

I am saying she did not need to take a large quanity of pills home in the first place and if she had not taken a quanity home she would not be confused about where they went.

If you are going to make an accusation be fucking factual. Which she is not. Must have been all that hoku smoking and drunk youtube video filming.

PennyPurple said:

I guess she wouldn't have needed to get weeks of pain pills, had her husband not have been taking hers.....

You are no Dr. and don't know shit.

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ATTN MODS: Can we please have the deleted Mayte thread back, so Laura can see where she said Mayte didn't need meds after her C-Section and shouldn't have been prescribed them???

I'm not a moderator. Though I do play one on T.V.…

PennyPurple said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

laurarichardson said:

--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs.

Wow! That's low...even for you. I personally know a few women that were given Vicodin after their C-sections. Hell, I know a couple that were given the stronger pain-killer Percocet. So clearly you really don't know what the hell you are talking about and are just trying to vilify that woman by any means necessary. Shame on you!

Yes, it is pretty low of her & I agree with you, it shows she doesn't know what she's talking about.

cloveringold85 said:

sonshine said:

Not sure this is the right place to share these thoughts but im going to anyway. As someone who works in a clinical setting every day i am keenly aware of the current opioid epidemic and its a special interest of mine keeping up with the latest news. I dont think its a coincidence that in the last year there has been a deliberate and focused effort on many fronts to combat the issue. While every one of the lives lost due to this crisis is of extreme value i do believe that Prince's death has played a role in the increased awareness of the existence and seriousness of opiate abuse and addiction. Whatever the outcome of the investigation it gives me a bit of comfort knowing his death will not be totally in vain. Its still a tragedy that should never have happened, but the lessons learned from his death and so many others will surely save lives in the future. Still heartbreaking and senseless it had to come to this and that help was just a little too late for him. The opiate epidemic i believe will historically go down as the biggest tragedy (and set back) of modern medicine. It's hard to wrap my head around such an idea when I live in a country that is world renowned for it's quality of healthcare. Its going to take time, money, and effort but i believe we will eventually conquer this disasterous period. Thanks in part to Prince and many others who paid the ultimate price.

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It's a terrible epidemic and it is truly sad how Prince is being used as the poster boy for opiod addiction. I've read countless articles about the Fentanyl epidemic and pain pill addiction and Prince's name is always being thrown in there. I think it's a travesty, considering Prince's death is still an ongoing investigation and we still do not know how he obtained those illegal (street drugs) Fentanyl pills, which he most-likely did not know he was taking.

I read an article today in the Washington Post Express and his name was not mentioned at all.
So all you people who want his connected to the pain epidemic your wishes may not happen.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Still selective memory, or as they call it these days, alternate facts. YOU did indeed say, that Mayte didn't need any pain pills prescribed to her after having Amiir. YOU said that, and it was on the Mayte thread that was deleted. You said that she shouldn't have been prescribed anything for pain, that having a C-section doesn't require take home pain meds. Again you are back tracking. You said that Prince needed the pain pills because he had an invasive surgery, and that anyone who has invasive surgery should have pain pills, but that totally contradicted what you said about Mayte having a prescription for pain pills.

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I think you post so much you forget what you say, or you just don't want to stand behind your words. I think you truly hate this woman that you've never met.

I said she did not need to take any home fool. Everyone gets an upper epirdual in the hospital and you might be offered a pain pill or two in the hospital but I find it odd she would need to take any home and I still do. I do not see why it would be needed as I already explained why based on other surgeries I had. I am not going to explain it anymore because you seem to be the only one that is not getting the picture.

I do not hate her I just do not believe all the words coming out her mouth like you do. I also do not believe in double standards. She can be drunk off her ass after Prince's death and he was the devil for being distraught maybe drinking or drugging ( who knows with her constantly changing her story ) over his child's death. I do not hate her I feel sorry for her and people like yourself who keep beliving her nonsense.

You are the one who is throwing the double standard out there. You know where P had major surgery and he should've been on pain pills, anyone who has major surgery should be on pain pills, then you make a statement like this about Mayte;

I am not questioning why she had them in the hospital I am question why she a an Rx to take home. You know I read this part of the book have you?

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^That in bold is your words exactly. Fool.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It's a terrible epidemic and it is truly sad how Prince is being used as the poster boy for opiod addiction. I've read countless articles about the Fentanyl epidemic and pain pill addiction and Prince's name is always being thrown in there. I think it's a travesty, considering Prince's death is still an ongoing investigation and we still do not know how he obtained those illegal (street drugs) Fentanyl pills, which he most-likely did not know he was taking.

I read an article today in the Washington Post Express and his name was not mentioned at all.
So all you people who want his connected to the pain epidemic your wishes may not happen.

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Prince's name keeps getting mentioned a lot with regard to the Fentanyl epidemic. It's really unfair, not to mention disrespectful, especially when Prince's death is still an active homicide investigation. I am not a part of the clan who wants to label Prince as a "druggie".

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This article got me upset......just one example of the ignorance out there:

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https://rheumatoidarthrit.../dear-mom/

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[Edited 6/12/17 18:30pm]

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

I read an article today in the Washington Post Express and his name was not mentioned at all.
So all you people who want his connected to the pain epidemic your wishes may not happen.

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Prince's name keeps getting mentioned a lot with regard to the Fentanyl epidemic. It's really unfair, not to mention disrespectful, especially when Prince's death is still an active homicide investigation. I am not a part of the clan who wants to label Prince as a "druggie".

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This article got me upset......just one example of the ignorance out there:

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https://rheumatoidarthrit.../dear-mom/

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[Edited 6/12/17 18:30pm]

Just someone being as asshole because they are making an assumption he had no pain when they have pain management themselves. That is something is it not for the lack of compassion that some people have.

laurarichardson said:

If he had physical injuries and surgery he would have to take drugs. No one can have an invasive surgery and not have pain medication.

No one is going to be abusing these drugs for 20 years and do the stuff he did. I firmly believe he had an Rx at some point and time. I would not be surprised to protect his privacy if was not written out under an assumed name.

Somethimg or some reason made things go sideways and I believe it was recent.

Surgery is normally invasive. So are C-sections. All of these quotes are from you. Woman up and stop back tracking. Own up to your words.

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I am not questioning why she had them in the hospital I am question why she a an Rx to take home. You know I read this part of the book have you?

--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs.

This is a serious question are you slow? I said she should not have needed to take home any pain pills from the hospital as you are given some in the hospital and that should be enough. You do realize that most people do have upper epidural? Are you having a mental health issue or something or cannot you not read what I typed below.Read the yellow part I heard that helps people with reading problems.

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I really think you need to seek help for this Mayte worship. Now let us go back to Prince.org.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs.

I get it Laura. By your own words, no on can have invasive surgery and not have pain medication. Right? It's all good, unless it's Mayte who has the invasive surgery, and then she shouldn't be allowed to come home with pain medication.

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And another thing, you have the epidural when you are having the baby or a C-Section, you can't take the epidural home with you..... And it's a lower epidural. The higher eidural would be for the shoulder and neck, and you still can't take it home with you.

How this has turned into a debtate about c-section pain management I have no idea, but there's this handy thing called Google:

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From BabyCenter: "You'll likely be given a prescription for more painkillers and a stool softener before you leave the hospital. You may need prescription painkillers for up to a week after surgery, gradually transitioning to over-the-counter pain relievers."

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From Healthline: "Depending on the level of your discomfort, the doctor might prescribe a pain reliever or advise you to take an over-the-counter NSAID (Advil, Motrin) or acetaminophen (Tylenol)"

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From AmericanPregnancy.org: "Talk with your health care provider about dealing with pain after the surgery. If medication is something you think you might want, get a prescription"

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SO: It sounds like, as with other surgeries, different people have different pain levels and they and their doctors work out an appropriate treatment plan for this which can include prescription pain killers.

laurarichardson said:

This is a serious question are you slow? I said she should not have needed to take home any pain pills from the hospital as you are given some in the hospital and that should be enough. You do realize that most people do have upper epidural? Are you having a mental health issue or something or cannot you not read what I typed below.Read the yellow part I heard that helps people with reading problems.

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laurarichardson said:

--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs.

I really think you need to seek help for this Mayte worship. Now let us go back to Prince.org.

PennyPurple said: