laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Who has lied, what did they say to the cops and what is the truth? Are there links to the police interview transcripts?

--If you read the search warrants the police caught KJ in a lie. In addition, they mention the inconsitencies in the statements from the associates. They specifically name KJ as one of those associates. The police also note that associates were texting and making phone calls immediatly after Prince's death and this is the reason cell phones were confiscated. It does not matter that their are people on this board cheerleading for Kirk because it does not change his actions or what is in those warrants.

I'm not going to read the warrants, no time for that. I was just curious in what lies were told as I've seen it mentioned but never what was said. I text people immediately after each of my parents died but I didn't kill them. Surely he'd need to let family know what had happened?

TheEnglishGent said:

moonsister said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Who has lied, what did they say to the cops and what is the truth? Are there links to the police interview transcripts?

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-9.pdf This is the warrant that states there were inconsistent and or contradictory statements given by the associates. Kirk is Not named as a liar or THE liar. Could have been any of them or they could have been in shock when giving their statements. I worked in a bank where there was a holdup, the robber walked right by a bunch of us and we all gave differing descriptions, people don't act normal in abnormal situations.

Thanks for the clarification.


So can people stop calling Kirk a liar until there's some hard proof? I'm not saying if he is or isn't, but in the absence of proof aren't people supposed to be given the benefit of the doubt? Innocent until proven guilty and all that?

moonsister said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Who has lied, what did they say to the cops and what is the truth? Are there links to the police interview transcripts?

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-9.pdf This is the warrant that states there were inconsistent and or contradictory statements given by the associates. Kirk is Not named as a liar or THE liar. Could have been any of them or they could have been in shock when giving their statements. I worked in a bank where there was a holdup, the robber walked right by a bunch of us and we all gave differing descriptions, people don't act normal in abnormal situations.

He lied about the stituation with the meds he received from the doctor they even mention it in the warrants.

The police use him and name him as an associate giving inconsistant and coflicting statements, making calls on his cell, and denying he knew anything at all about P's situation despite having worked for him for almost 30 years. The police are the ones casting doubt on him.

No matter how much certain people cheerlead for this guy the police statements are not going to change.

Homeboy also got booted out of his house last week since the property has been sold so I guess the estate managers are not in love with his ass.

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TheEnglishGent said:

laurarichardson said:

TheEnglishGent said: --If you read the search warrants the police caught KJ in a lie. In addition, they mention the inconsitencies in the statements from the associates. They specifically name KJ as one of those associates. The police also note that associates were texting and making phone calls immediatly after Prince's death and this is the reason cell phones were confiscated. It does not matter that their are people on this board cheerleading for Kirk because it does not change his actions or what is in those warrants.

I'm not going to read the warrants, no time for that. I was just curious in what lies were told as I've seen it mentioned but never what was said. I text people immediately after each of my parents died but I didn't kill them. Surely he'd need to let family know what had happened?

One text or a few calls l to Prince's family would be easy to understand multple calls seemed to concern the police enough that got a subpeona to pull phone records they actually mention their concern about it in the warrants.

The police were the ones concerned about this so this is not me making something up and we all need to be careful who we cheerlead for as many people were in rooting for Londell and look how that turned out.

laurarichardson said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I'm not going to read the warrants, no time for that. I was just curious in what lies were told as I've seen it mentioned but never what was said. I text people immediately after each of my parents died but I didn't kill them. Surely he'd need to let family know what had happened?

One text or a few calls l to Prince's family would be easy to understand multple calls seemed to concern the police enough that got a subpeona to pull phone records they actually mention their concern about it in the warrants.

The police were the ones concerned about this so this is not me making something up and we all need to be careful who we cheerlead for as many people were in rooting for Londell and look how that turned out.

I'm not 'cheerleading' anyone. I'm just interested in facts, not speculation. As for the amount of calls, it's not like P had no familhy or close assosciates. There's over half a dozen siblings for starters, multiple calls/texts is hardly surprising. My brother and I made well over a dozen calls each when our parents died. If there was suspicion in their deaths then obviously the police are gonna look at our phone records otherwise they wouldn't be doing their jobs. I think the key point here is that the police have looked, investigated and not made any arrests etc, so we have to trust that they are doing their jobs.

laurarichardson said:

I am inclined to believe LE will not find the supplier of the illicit pills.

nelcp777 said:

I am inclined to believe LE will not find the supplier of the illicit pills.

Not unless some confesses which has no chance of happening.

laytonian said:

. No. Homicide. That means that the drug maker and anyone involved in the supply chain may be complicit in athe death. Do not confuse murder and homicide. Murder is intentional. Homicide may not be. .

Exactly.

PennyPurple said:

laytonian said:

. No. Homicide. That means that the drug maker and anyone involved in the supply chain may be complicit in athe death. Do not confuse murder and homicide. Murder is intentional. Homicide may not be. .

Exactly.

I thought the opposite. Homicide is intentional, manslaughter is not intentional

miamibaby said:

I read this article by Ebony with an interview with Prince back in 2015. Prince stated someone was after his vault and said should he fear for his life. He seemed to say it in a joking way but it makes you wonder now if he was really joking or not. It wouldn't be the first time he told a journalist he feared for his life.

For people interested in this kind of minutia, here are the definitions for various Minnesota statutes (these statues do not use the word "homicide"; they only use "murder" (or manslaughter))

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Murder in the first degree: Intentional, premeditated murder and a few other situations

Murder in the second and third degree: second degree is intentional killing but without premeditation (plus a couple other circumstances); third-degree includes providing illegal drugs that end up killing someone (no matter intent)

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There's also manslaughter: voluntary (first degree) and involuntary (second-degree)

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So the term "murder" can legally cover a range of things that result in someone's death; it doesn't mean it was an intentional or premeditated act.

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disch said:

For people interested in this kind of minutia, here are the definitions for various Minnesota statutes (these statues do not use the word "homicide"; they only use "murder" (or manslaughter))

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Murder in the first degree: Intentional, premeditated murder and a few other situations

Murder in the second and third degree: second degree is intentional killing but without premeditation (plus a couple other circumstances); third-degree includes providing illegal drugs that end up killing someone (no matter intent)

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There's also manslaughter: voluntary (first degree) and involuntary (second-degree)

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So the term "murder" can legally cover a range of things that result in someone's death; it doesn't mean it was an intentional or premeditated act.

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If they charge anyone it will third degree murder.

That seems the most likely scenario based on the facts that are publicly known (at least on the state level)

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

For people interested in this kind of minutia, here are the definitions for various Minnesota statutes (these statues do not use the word "homicide"; they only use "murder" (or manslaughter))

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Murder in the first degree: Intentional, premeditated murder and a few other situations

Murder in the second and third degree: second degree is intentional killing but without premeditation (plus a couple other circumstances); third-degree includes providing illegal drugs that end up killing someone (no matter intent)

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There's also manslaughter: voluntary (first degree) and involuntary (second-degree)

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So the term "murder" can legally cover a range of things that result in someone's death; it doesn't mean it was an intentional or premeditated act.

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If they charge anyone it will third degree murder.

I have an Rx for Xanax and the pills are small & round and white in color with the stamp "027" on one side and "R" stamped on the other side. The shape, size and color varies based on the manufacturer.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

moonsister said:

maybe the murder theory has been debunked now, I hope so.

No...IMO it makes sense someone switched his meds intentionally giving him the wrong ones on the 14th and it caused P to OD. He had no idea he was taking the wrong pills...then on the 20th it happened again... the person that brought in those fake pills for P to take knew that was going to end his life.

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I agree. He took those pills on the 20th, not knowing they were laced with deadly Fentanyl. Like we've discussed here before, makes no sense why Prince would have taken the illegal Fentanyl when he had the Oxy and/or percocets, which he o.d. a few days earlier.

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

No, because the police are looking at it as a murder. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

Murder if they can find the person who gave or sold him the fentanyl laced illicit Vicodin. Some people think someone went into his home clandestinely and place JUST fentanyl laced pills in with his other illicit pills. Understand?

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Prince's death is a "homicide" investigation. That means authorities believe he was murdered (given the bad pills) on purpose. If this was not the case, then the authorities would have shut the case by now, and just ruled it as "accidental", or whatever.

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disch said:

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

TheEnglishGent said: http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-9.pdf This is the warrant that states there were inconsistent and or contradictory statements given by the associates. Kirk is Not named as a liar or THE liar. Could have been any of them or they could have been in shock when giving their statements. I worked in a bank where there was a holdup, the robber walked right by a bunch of us and we all gave differing descriptions, people don't act normal in abnormal situations.

He lied about the stituation with the meds he received from the doctor they even mention it in the warrants.

The police use him and name him as an associate giving inconsistant and coflicting statements, making calls on his cell, and denying he knew anything at all about P's situation despite having worked for him for almost 30 years. The police are the ones casting doubt on him.

No matter how much certain people cheerlead for this guy the police statements are not going to change.

Homeboy also got booted out of his house last week since the property has been sold so I guess the estate managers are not in love with his ass.

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Serious?! Kirk lost his house??!!

miamibaby said:

I read this article by Ebony with an interview with Prince back in 2015. Prince stated someone was after his vault and said should he fear for his life. He seemed to say it in a joking way but it makes you wonder now if he was really joking or not. It wouldn't be the first time he told a journalist he feared for his life.

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Yes, I read that story too. Why would Prince say that unless he really felt threatened, ya know? You probably also heard about the phone calls he got (death threats) at PP shortly before he died, but a source said that Prince wasn't going to be intimidated by anyone, and he wasn't going to let it bother him. Sounds like Prince.

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No it doesn't mean that. No Minnesota statutes use the word homicide, only "murder," and 3rd degree murder doesn't require the person killed someone else on purpose. For example, anyone who supplies someone with illegal drugs that the person ODs on (no matter the supplier's intent) can be charged with 3rd degree murder.

cloveringold85 said:

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said: Murder if they can find the person who gave or sold him the fentanyl laced illicit Vicodin. Some people think someone went into his home clandestinely and place JUST fentanyl laced pills in with his other illicit pills. Understand?

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Prince's death is a "homicide" investigation. That means authorities believe he was murdered (given the bad pills) on purpose. If this was not the case, then the authorities would have shut the case by now, and just ruled it as "accidental", or whatever.

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miamibaby said:

What do authorities say happened?

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Investigators heard plenty from the people at Paisley Park when Prince’s body was discovered. They told investigators that Prince was recently “going through withdrawals, which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication.”

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When authorities later checked a database set up to monitor who’s getting prescriptions for controlled substances, they found nothing for Prince. But there was a prescription for the opioid painkiller oxycodone written for Kirk Johnson, Prince’s bodyguard.

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The prescription was dated April 14, 2016, the same day Prince was revived with an anti-overdose drug after falling ill on a plane. Dr. Michael Schulenberg, who wrote the prescription, told authorities he put the prescription in Johnson’s name to protect Prince’s privacy, according to a detective’s affidavit.

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Schulenberg’s attorney, Amy Conners, said in a statement that Schulenberg never prescribed opioids to Prince directly nor to another person with the intent of giving them to the singer.

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Johnson’s attorney, Clayton Tyler, said Johnson “did not secure nor supply the drugs which caused Prince’s death.” An autopsy showed Prince died of an overdose of fentanyl, another drug in the opioid family.

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http://press-leader.com/n...-addiction

disch said:

No it doesn't mean that. No Minnesota statutes use the word homicide, only "murder," and 3rd degree murder doesn't require the person killed someone else on purpose. For example, anyone who supplies someone with illegal drugs that the person ODs on (no matter the supplier's intent) can be charged with 3rd degree murder.

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince's death is a "homicide" investigation. That means authorities believe he was murdered (given the bad pills) on purpose. If this was not the case, then the authorities would have shut the case by now, and just ruled it as "accidental", or whatever.

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I saw the other post about Minnesota, so I stand corrected. Thanks!

Bassette said:

About six months ago, people wrote about DEA contacting orgers. Does anyone know, whether the results have been made public?

Wasn't it only 1 person that they contacted, who happens to be a member of this forum? That poster decided to call Paisley Park, the day Prince died. They were checking out the calls to and from PP.