laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Who said he wasn't? He cancelled one show, had an emergency plane landing around the same time, was admitted to the hospital and seemed to have an intervention in the works being planned by his closest confidants.

Honest to God, I think a lot of people are either conveniently forgetting or failing to understand just How Prince Rolled. He was tremendously private, very demanding of his firends, employees and associates and didn't let anyone into his inner circle unless they did what he said when he said to do it. He was "large" and in charge in that way and if you didn't do what Prince wanted you were let out.

Ask any of his wives, chefs or former band members.

It's the same thing with the "how could they LEAVE HIM ALONE?!?" argument. They left him alone in all likelihood because Prince demanded it and if u didn't do what Prince demanded you were cut out. Period.

This really, really really is not complicated at all and 99% of What Happened has been explained and is very easy to see.

If he was suffering from withdrawals how did he throw a party, go to the record store,ride a bike,and go Out to a jazz club. Numerous people spoke to him and looked in his face and noticed nothing the withdrawals should have him bed ridden. [Edited 5/31/17 18:51pm]

Logic tells me he took some opiods.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

Agreed. Maybe Tyka knew her brother's drug dependency was spiraling out of control 2-years ago, and she knew that he would eventually die from an accidental overdose. This seems plausible, but don't you think that he would have overdosed on Fentanyl a long time ago if that was the case?

No, not necessarily. I believe that the pain pills that were found at PP after his demise that were cut with Fentanyl are the first and only time he was ever in possession of something so dangerously lethal. And, unfortunately, Prince was not privy to this info. Maybe it was a new supplier and this supplier was not aware they were lethal. I think this is where it gets murky. With the dealer and the individual responsible for procuring them. I do think Kirk played a very prominent role in this, though. But, he has made sure to cover his ass because of the flip flopping statements he's made. I think that is where some very important, revelatory answers can be found and any and all questions would be cleared up.....with Kirk.

Fentanyl is realtively new phenomenon, correlating directly with DEA crackdown and rescheduling of pain meds and leading to the rise in counterfeit drugs.

herb4 said:

NotACleverName said:

When the DEA got the information from the toxicology report it sent them into a immediate search of Paisley Park ..... why? If this was just a open and shut case of OD ,which is happening all the time why did they go and immediately search PP?

The reason is these pills found in PP have not been seen anywhere else since April 21,2017. Fentanyl deaths have 5-30 milligrams according to what this ME told me when I asked my best friend who is also a ME he said the same thing . Prince had 68.9. This is way above what has been seen by toxicologists.

THAT's why I said last year Prince didn't have a need to get street drugs when he was getting prescriptions via Kirk. If the Dr the night before made prescriptions why did he need these street drugs when he had bottles from April 10th and April 20 that were found.

Another thing is they found pills broken into halves and fourths in these pill bottles. Addicts don't break pills in halves and fourths.

muleFunk said:

When the DEA got the information from the toxicology report it sent them into a immediate search of Paisley Park ..... why? If this was just a open and shut case of OD ,which is happening all the time why did they go and immediately search PP?

The reason is these pills found in PP have not been seen anywhere else since April 21,2017. Fentanyl deaths have 5-30 milligrams according to what this ME told me when I asked my best friend who is also a ME he said the same thing . Prince had 68.9. This is way above what has been seen by toxicologists.

THAT's why I said last year Prince didn't have a need to get street drugs when he was getting prescriptions via Kirk. If the Dr the night before made prescriptions why did he need these street drugs when he had bottles from April 10th and April 20 that were found.

Another thing is they found pills broken into halves and fourths in these pill bottles. Addicts don't break pills in halves and fourths.

Yes, they do. I'm guessing you are/have not been exposed in real life to someone dependent/addicted to opiates?

precioux said:

muleFunk said:

When the DEA got the information from the toxicology report it sent them into a immediate search of Paisley Park ..... why? If this was just a open and shut case of OD ,which is happening all the time why did they go and immediately search PP?

The reason is these pills found in PP have not been seen anywhere else since April 21,2017. Fentanyl deaths have 5-30 milligrams according to what this ME told me when I asked my best friend who is also a ME he said the same thing . Prince had 68.9. This is way above what has been seen by toxicologists.

THAT's why I said last year Prince didn't have a need to get street drugs when he was getting prescriptions via Kirk. If the Dr the night before made prescriptions why did he need these street drugs when he had bottles from April 10th and April 20 that were found.

Another thing is they found pills broken into halves and fourths in these pill bottles. Addicts don't break pills in halves and fourths.

Yes, they do. I'm guessing you are/have not been exposed in real life to someone dependent/addicted to opiates?

Exactly right Precioux.

I don't apologize for believing that this case is unique - it is not a simple OD, it is not a simple death, and it was, in my opinion, not handled appropriately from that first April 21 911 call. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I think I am a logical person, but nearly 15 months on and I do not believe a word of the spin coming from any camp.

muleFunk said:

When the DEA got the information from the toxicology report it sent them into a immediate search of Paisley Park ..... why? If this was just a open and shut case of OD ,which is happening all the time why did they go and immediately search PP?

The reason is these pills found in PP have not been seen anywhere else since April 21,2017. Fentanyl deaths have 5-30 milligrams according to what this ME told me when I asked my best friend who is also a ME he said the same thing . Prince had 68.9. This is way above what has been seen by toxicologists.

THAT's why I said last year Prince didn't have a need to get street drugs when he was getting prescriptions via Kirk. If the Dr the night before made prescriptions why did he need these street drugs when he had bottles from April 10th and April 20 that were found.

Another thing is they found pills broken into halves and fourths in these pill bottles. Addicts don't break pills in halves and fourths.

Again, the search warrants show there was only ONE controlled substance script in Kirk's name in the Minnesota registry and that was the one from April 14th. The doc did not give Kirk another controlled substance script the night before P was found.

There was only ONE pill broken in half, and ONE pill broken in 1/4 = 2 pills broken.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

muleFunk said:

When the DEA got the information from the toxicology report it sent them into a immediate search of Paisley Park ..... why? If this was just a open and shut case of OD ,which is happening all the time why did they go and immediately search PP?

The reason is these pills found in PP have not been seen anywhere else since April 21,2017. Fentanyl deaths have 5-30 milligrams according to what this ME told me when I asked my best friend who is also a ME he said the same thing . Prince had 68.9. This is way above what has been seen by toxicologists.

THAT's why I said last year Prince didn't have a need to get street drugs when he was getting prescriptions via Kirk. If the Dr the night before made prescriptions why did he need these street drugs when he had bottles from April 10th and April 20 that were found.

Another thing is they found pills broken into halves and fourths in these pill bottles. Addicts don't break pills in halves and fourths.

Again, the search warrants show there was only ONE controlled substance script in Kirk's name in the Minnesota registry and that was the one from April 14th. The doc did not give Kirk another controlled substance script the night before P was found.

There was only ONE pill broken in half, and ONE pill broken in 1/4 = 2 pills broken.

ISLIJAG,

I'm aware there was only 2 pills broken in 1/2 or 1/4's. I'm pretty sure Muley does as well. I think Mulefunk is under the impression that if someone is dependent or an addict, they are not going to be miserly and break any pill into portions, rather, take an entire pill whole and not play around(?) I think that's the point Mule was making and I contradicted that, simply becaue I know for a fact that whether dependent or addicted (not all, but many) will break their supply up, as was seconded by Penny. That's all.

muleFunk said:

When the DEA got the information from the toxicology report it sent them into a immediate search of Paisley Park ..... why? If this was just a open and shut case of OD ,which is happening all the time why did they go and immediately search PP?

The reason is these pills found in PP have not been seen anywhere else since April 21,2017. Fentanyl deaths have 5-30 milligrams according to what this ME told me when I asked my best friend who is also a ME he said the same thing . Prince had 68.9. This is way above what has been seen by toxicologists.

THAT's why I said last year Prince didn't have a need to get street drugs when he was getting prescriptions via Kirk. If the Dr the night before made prescriptions why did he need these street drugs when he had bottles from April 10th and April 20 that were found.

Another thing is they found pills broken into halves and fourths in these pill bottles. Addicts don't break pills in halves and fourths.

"They" were making sure they were taking P out!

kmama07 said:

precioux said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Again, the search warrants show there was only ONE controlled substance script in Kirk's name in the Minnesota registry and that was the one from April 14th. The doc did not give Kirk another controlled substance script the night before P was found.

There was only ONE pill broken in half, and ONE pill broken in 1/4 = 2 pills broken.

ISLIJAG,

I'm aware there was only 2 pills broken in 1/2 or 1/4's. I'm pretty sure Muley does as well. I think Mulefunk is under the impression that if someone is dependent or an addict, they are not going to be miserly and break any pill into portions, rather, take an entire pill whole and not play around(?) I think that's the point Mule was making and I contradicted that, simply becaue I know for a fact that whether dependent or addicted (not all, but many) will break their supply up, as was seconded by Penny. That's all.

Most people on these type of meds, don't break a pill in 1/2 or 1/4 to take less, usually it's to take more.

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In fact when oxycontin 1st came out, people would cut them in 1/2 to get more of a high, chew the, or grind them up. Big Pharma then put a special coating on them to try to hinder them being, chewed, crushed or cut.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

Agreed. Maybe Tyka knew her brother's drug dependency was spiraling out of control 2-years ago, and she knew that he would eventually die from an accidental overdose. This seems plausible, but don't you think that he would have overdosed on Fentanyl a long time ago if that was the case?

No, not necessarily. I believe that the pain pills that were found at PP after his demise that were cut with Fentanyl are the first and only time he was ever in possession of something so dangerously lethal. And, unfortunately, Prince was not privy to this info. Maybe it was a new supplier and this supplier was not aware they were lethal. I think this is where it gets murky. With the dealer and the individual responsible for procuring them. I do think Kirk played a very prominent role in this, though. But, he has made sure to cover his ass because of the flip flopping statements he's made. I think that is where some very important, revelatory answers can be found and any and all questions would be cleared up.....with Kirk.

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I concur. I believe a lot of the answers lead to KJ.

moonsister said:

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

herb4 said:

Perhaps he didn't go back to taking "massive doses of pain pills" (who ever declared he was taking "massive doses," anyway?) but took enough just to cut the withdrawal symptoms down to a manageable level.

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Maybe he "looked and acted fine" during those relatively brief times he was in public but was a mess at other times (something caused his camp to make a 6am phone call on April 20, him to visit Dr. S. that day etc.).

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Regardless of the questions we may not get answers to, we know he did in fact ODed on opiates on the plane due to the doctor statement cited in the warrant.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Logic tells me he took some opiods.

Well logic should tell you that if he the two Narcan shots he would have been in withdrawals and clinging to his bed or if he went back to taking massive doses of pain pills people would not say he looked and acted fine and these are not all people on his payroll. Somethings do not add up about this story and it has nothing to do with conspiracy theories just plain old common sense. That dude was ill with something and it is going to come out sooner or later.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Most people on these type of meds, don't break a pill in 1/2 or 1/4 to take less, usually it's to take more.

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In fact when oxycontin 1st came out, people would cut them in 1/2 to get more of a high, chew the, or grind them up. Big Pharma then put a special coating on them to try to hinder them being, chewed, crushed or cut.

--He was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals perhaps he was trying to withdraw.

Is that a fact, and where can I find this fact? I didn't realize his medical records had been released.

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

--No you keep up she is not spending any money because she has not inheirited any yet. The person who has caused litigation is Londell, Koppelman and Breamer. All of the suits pending are due to these 3. You ignorance on this topic knows no bounds.

Where do you think that money is going to come from?? It is coming from the estate, therefore there will be LESS to inherit. Or maybe she'll figure out a way to use the "charity" money from the tribute concert for her own lawyer bills. Wouldn't surprise me. Ole Tykacrook didnt get what she expected from the tribute so now she's raising a stink.

It seems the only people who got anything $$ from the tribute was the crooked lawyers who made a commission off of it.

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

kmama07 said:

I swear...I am not trying to be an arse or stir the pot! I really would like to know what motive anyone thinks someone may have had to hurt him on purpose. I understand the difference between murder and homicide in terms of a supplier/ manufacturer being charged with unintentional death of a person. But there have been several comments regarding the thought P may have been hurt intentionally. I just don't see a motive for that. I mean, he was supporting people financially, and I would imagine if someone wanted him dead for financial gain he/she would have made darn sure there wouldn't be all the confusion there has been regarding a will, the heirs, etc.

I think it might be more about second hand shame some folks are feeling because they don't want to believe he had an opioid addiction like thousands of other mere mortal Americans have.

I am replying to this having not the time or the constitution to run through the whole thing. I will read about this one day, when we all know the truth, I just said the other day to someone, when Prince comes around next time you have got to go rhe show. And its not denial, I've had interaction with him a couple of times, but flame me because I am sure someone said this, or we might be at the point that this statement doesn't apply... maybe he could have been an addict.

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But an alcoholic can start as an addict but there could come a time where the addict doesn't want it anymore but they have physical dependence. Some people somehow can just throw it away and be done and they are lucky people. Some become really brilliant clear headed day drinkers or really shitty ones. Some end up in stasis... because their body can't funtion well eith or without it but they choose to go wkth the slow drip vs. possibly dying due to seziures, pancratitis, liver problems, etc, but going through detox unless you find the right doctor and team, you could walk in looking for help, they are the professionals, this is their field, and they will stillmpit a stigma on you when they have zero business doing so. They have the job to do the opposite... I, like most people, know people who have gone through this. and instead of a welcoming environment, they were left to writhe and vomit and not get daily lab tests or and iv for hydration or missing nutrients, sleep, and two people i know sought help and almost died because they did.

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Those people weren't addicts. They used to be. Now they detested it but it was physical dependençe because they werent 'seeking' like they did as an addict. It had gone on too long simply. It didn't make them feel good anymore but keeping that substance in the bloodstream and honestly they would have to to funtion. They would have better off fighting on a hard slow and long wean.

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I just had a hip replacement myself, on opiates for 7 months. A lot. After seeing what happened with others I slowly got off them myself and thank god for the doctor who trusted me and didn't tell me to go to pain management or whatever. Because I understood the difference between addiction and dependence and he heard me and said, ok I believe you but I will only do this for so long if you can't do it. And you are Prince. How lost are you and and what path do you choose?

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And I won't lie, Physical dependence PLUS real surgical an residual CHRONIC PAIN... there is no better motivator to screw up than pain. NOTHING. Except dependence plis pain plus the wrong help, and feeling likemyou have lost your way. I'm pretty surprised I did it right but it's hard. Pain is the fucking enemy that is a bomb... you might not know if you still have pain. But you are physically dependent too, how motivated can a person really be to find out if the pain kis stillmthere while going through withdrawal and not being able to be doing or be the person you still are but just.. cant. Then again I am empath.

So forgive me again, I read a few posts in this thread. I'm not up to date. I'll read the book. But whether Prince was an addictive seeker or he got trapped in physical dependence, until the end, he dragged himself out to play his music. Not only for himself playing his own amazing songs to love himself because they are amazing, but to feel the love and give the love to and from the people that felt that special thing. So organic, whatever kind pain he probably didn't feel it for that little while.

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All that said I think what was supposed to be easy became hard and lasted too long. But he was supplsed to have someone there to help that day right? I don'tnthinknhe was in an addictively seeking brain for quite some time. I think he was sick of it.

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And if he ever tried somethingnher or there at various points, jow many of younhave too? Don't read into tnat. I am reading just a few posts about all sorts of connjecture, which is why I didn't click on this thread and I'm out after this post.

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Just remember there is a difference between addiction and physical dependence. I don't know what happened. Maybe take this post on it's own.

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Because whatever is going on as the Prince community we probably understand stigma better than most. When we find ourselves low I hope we always go high. Or as Paul said with an edit, in the end the love you take is... relatively equal to the love WE make. someone orgnote me whwn there is a final concensus and conclusion. I'm going to the drive in on wed and we have a dj playing the jams, Purple Rain followed by the SOTT concert. And a week later The Revolution. And a week later PR Deluxe. So I can't read this, it's time to celebrate. For everyone. PEACE. BE WILD.

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As always I will fix any typos if you ask. I type too fast for this tablet

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Mkilpatrick74 said:

TheAStarr said:

moonsister said:

This is supposition here but when the addiction and withdrawl narrative is taken into consideration with the discovery of fake drugs with Fentanyl and U-47000(sp) you also have to think that the loaded pills led to this so called withdrawals that Prince was experiencing.

If this is a correct assumption then also assume that Prince was taking medications given to him and those medications were loaded then assume that this was done with malace.