OperatingThetan said:

1Sasha said:

We still do not know if Prince ingested the drugs laced with Fentanyl accidentally or deliberately. I know what the ME said; I think she should rescind her finding that it was accidental because even she does not know. Look at everything that has come out since she completed her task. Was it bad hips and/or knees? Was it a liver ailment? Was it some type of cancer? Right now he looks like just another rock star druggie whose last days/months were spent in the abyss of addiction. And NO ONE is doing one damn thing to change that perception "officially." That is why the full autopsy report is critical, in my opinion, to determine why the greatest entertainer of our age was found basically tossed in an elevator with his clothes on improperly and a massive amount of a killer drug in his system.

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Prince wasn't improperly dressed. It was his habit to wear his clothes backwards and this has been confirmed by friends. There's no evidence he was 'tossed' into the elevator.

No, it was only said by La La that he sometimes wore his jacket backwards. Who the hell put their socks on backwards? Especially if they are trying to walk or run to get help. Does that make any sense? All we know is the security cameras were turned off in a building that going by the Carver County Logs had people jumping the fence all the time.

Unfortunatly, Tyka already made a crytic comment at this time she should follow up and make her self clear or she should have not have said anything at all.

disch said:

So the family is to be viewed with suspicion and "hiding something" because they don't publicize his full autopsy? If a loved one of mine died, I would personally not publicize their full autopsy, which is full of all kinds of incredibly intimate, gory details. I would let my loved one have some dignity in their death, if the law permits it. The pertinant facts have already been made public. They are not obligated to share this kind of detail and it's not suspicious if they choose not to.

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Perhaps some people don't care to know, and that's okay, but a majority of people do care. Releasing the full autopsy will put an end to all these rumors. What are they hiding? Whatever it is, certainly isn't going to change my opinion, love and respect for Prince.

laurarichardson said:

OperatingThetan said:

1Sasha said: Prince wasn't improperly dressed. It was his habit to wear his clothes backwards and this has been confirmed by friends. There's no evidence he was 'tossed' into the elevator.

No, it was only said by La La that he sometimes wore his jacket backwards. Who the hell put their socks on backwards? Especially if they are trying to walk or run to get help. Does that make any sense? All we know is the security cameras were turned off in a building that going by the Carver County Logs had people jumping the fence all the time.

Perhaps I should have used the word "crumpled." But nothing in this picture adds up. Nothing. I don't care if a billion people think this is a cut-and-dry case. It isn't.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

No, it was only said by La La that he sometimes wore his jacket backwards. Who the hell put their socks on backwards? Especially if they are trying to walk or run to get help. Does that make any sense? All we know is the security cameras were turned off in a building that going by the Carver County Logs had people jumping the fence all the time.

Perhaps I should have used the word "crumpled." But nothing in this picture adds up. Nothing. I don't care if a billion people think this is a cut-and-dry case. It isn't.

If it was a cut and dry case it would have been closed by now or at least sent to the cold case file. The police are still saying it is active and open. Even with the amount of fraud and theft that we know of people still have their head in the sand.

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Agreed.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

OperatingThetan said:

laurarichardson said:

If it was a cut and dry case it would have been closed by now or at least sent to the cold case file. The police are still saying it is active and open. Even with the amount of fraud and theft that we know of people still have their head in the sand.

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It's an open case due to the illegal drugs. Nothing more is required or has been suggested.

The police have used the word active homcide investigation due to the fact that third degree murder charges can result if they arrest anyone. This has been stated by the police. Keep the fuck up.

People O.D. everyday even famous people have O.D. and the cases did not drag on in this manner.

OperatingThetan said:

laurarichardson said:

No, it was only said by La La that he sometimes wore his jacket backwards. Who the hell put their socks on backwards? Especially if they are trying to walk or run to get help. Does that make any sense? All we know is the security cameras were turned off in a building that going by the Carver County Logs had people jumping the fence all the time.

How does someone even wear socks backwards? Inside-out potentially, which is pretty common. It's been confirmed he wore trousers and sweaters backwards and Prince even mentions it himself at the beginning of the 'Something in the Water' video from Manchester, 2014. Prince was likely wearing the same clothing pictured in the Walgreens photograph. No great mystery there. He'd returned from a hospital appointment, which may account for the socks, if this is even verified.

Then he came from the hospital and turned all his clothes inside for grins and giggles.

Is it really common to wear your socks inside out because I seem to be able to put mind on the correct way and was even able to do while sick a few times and calling an ambulance for myself.

laurarichardson said:

OperatingThetan said:

1Sasha said: Prince wasn't improperly dressed. It was his habit to wear his clothes backwards and this has been confirmed by friends. There's no evidence he was 'tossed' into the elevator.

No, it was only said by La La that he sometimes wore his jacket backwards. Who the hell put their socks on backwards? Especially if they are trying to walk or run to get help. Does that make any sense? All we know is the security cameras were turned off in a building that going by the Carver County Logs had people jumping the fence all the time.

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Seems odd that all the security camera's at PP would be turned-off, intentionally or malfunctioned on April 20-21st.

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Prince had the entire premises wired for audio recording at any time. No matter where he was, he could record music.

laurarichardson said:

OperatingThetan said:

laurarichardson said: How does someone even wear socks backwards? Inside-out potentially, which is pretty common. It's been confirmed he wore trousers and sweaters backwards and Prince even mentions it himself at the beginning of the 'Something in the Water' video from Manchester, 2014. Prince was likely wearing the same clothing pictured in the Walgreens photograph. No great mystery there. He'd returned from a hospital appointment, which may account for the socks, if this is even verified.

Then he came from the hospital and turned all his clothes inside for grins and giggles.

Is it really common to wear your socks inside out because I seem to be able to put mind on the correct way and was even able to do while sick a few times and calling an ambulance for myself.

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Unless he undressed for bed, and then got dressed again in a hurry.

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Reports state that Prince was dropped-off around 8PM on April 20th, and I imagine he had things to take care of that evening, and probably went to bed late, and then thats when things went downhill..........did he take that pill and started to feel the effects and then try to get to the elevator?

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I have a hard time believe that is the case, because with the amount of Fentanyl that was in his system, he would not have been able to move, much less get dressed and walk to the elevator.

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Personally, I think it would have been much easier to dial 911, rather than walk to the elevator.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Then he came from the hospital and turned all his clothes inside for grins and giggles.

Is it really common to wear your socks inside out because I seem to be able to put mind on the correct way and was even able to do while sick a few times and calling an ambulance for myself.

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Unless he undressed for bed, and then got dressed again in a hurry.

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Reports state that Prince was dropped-off around 8PM on April 20th, and I imagine he had things to take care of that evening, and probably went to bed late, and then thats when things went downhill..........did he take that pill and started to feel the effects and then try to get to the elevator?

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I have a hard time believe that is the case, because with the amount of Fentanyl that was in his system, he would not have been able to move, much less get dressed and walk to the elevator.

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Personally, I think it would have been much easier to dial 911, rather than walk to the elevator.

Exactly but you and I are not sticking our heads in the sand.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Unless he undressed for bed, and then got dressed again in a hurry.

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Reports state that Prince was dropped-off around 8PM on April 20th, and I imagine he had things to take care of that evening, and probably went to bed late, and then thats when things went downhill..........did he take that pill and started to feel the effects and then try to get to the elevator?

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I have a hard time believe that is the case, because with the amount of Fentanyl that was in his system, he would not have been able to move, much less get dressed and walk to the elevator.

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Personally, I think it would have been much easier to dial 911, rather than walk to the elevator.

Exactly but you and I are not sticking our heads in the sand.

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Nope. There is an old saying that goes something like this.....when something doesn't feel right, then it means something is wrong. Trust your instincts, always.

laurarichardson said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

PennyPurple said:

Just because KJ or Prince told the Dr that he only took 1-2 pills, doesn't mean that he really took 1-2 pills, it was probably more then that for the OD to happen.

I can absolutely tell u it was more than 2 pills. I've taken 2 oxycodone close together like an idiot bc the pain was unbearable and it made me dizzy and sweaty and nauseous and my chest hurt baddddd.....felt like a heart attack. but i didn't lose consciousness. Had i taken 2 more I'm guessing yes i would have. [Edited 5/31/17 13:37pm]

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Well, if Prince took more than the directed dosage, that would be considered an overdose. We also have to consider his stature. Prince was a small-frame man, with a height of around 5'3", and only weighed 112 LBS at his time of death. Someone of that small stature and weight could not handle such a high dose of opioids. And, you don't need to be a doctor or have a PhD. to know that, but just saying.

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I also read about Fentanyl dosage and it states that Fentanyl is only given to a patient when other opioids no longer have any effect/provide pain relief. So, if Prince was taking this without a doctor's supervision (which we now know he was), then that is a deadly combination. Also, I read that Fentanyl overdose causes a heart-attack, which is probably what happened to Prince.

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https://www.drugs.com/pro...blets.html

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

If it was a cut and dry case it would have been closed by now or at least sent to the cold case file. The police are still saying it is active and open. Even with the amount of fraud and theft that we know of people still have their head in the sand.

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Agree with you LR and 1Sasha

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Tell me about it! Just the fraud/theft and deceptive marketing practices alone are shady as hell.

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Prince tried to warn us about these people.

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Prince is not here to speak for himself, so someone has to speak the truth!!

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Well, if Prince took more than the directed dosage, that would be considered an overdose. We also have to consider his stature. Prince was a small-frame man, with a height of around 5'3", and only weighed 112 LBS at his time of death. Someone of that small stature and weight could not handle such a high dose of opioids. And, you don't need to be a doctor or have a PhD. to know that, but just saying.

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I also read about Fentanyl dosage and it states that Fentanyl is only given to a patient when other opioids no longer have any effect/provide pain relief. So, if Prince was taking this without a doctor's supervision (which we now know he was), then that is a deadly combination. Also, I read that Fentanyl overdose causes a heart-attack, which is probably what happened to Prince.

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https://www.drugs.com/pro...blets.html

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Very true that weight plays a role....however, if Percocet is something that P had been taking off and on for pain, it's possible the 1 or 2 pills was no longer controlling the pain and why I'm guessing he took closer to 3 or 4 that night. I could see him losing cosiousness at that point but 1 or 2 of those would not have rendered him needing 1 or even 2 Natcan shots. He would have been sick as a dog yes but not unconscious. There is no way, with how tolerance works in the body over time, that hydrocodone/norco/Vicodin was able to control his pain appropriately any more IF he was battling chronic pain since 2010 after surgery. In my gut that's what I feel based on my experience w pain and narcotics/opioid [Edited 5/31/17 14:21pm]

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My Mom, who has passed gave me a few scares. I can tell you some horror stories of how I could not reach her by phone and had to call 911 because she took too many pain pills. And, she lived in another state, which made it even more stressful. So, I have some experience with addiction/dependency and my sister has issues too, which is too complicated to go into......but, with Prince, I agree with what you are saying regarding the Narcan, because he had to o/d on Percocet for them to give him what was it, TWO Narcan shots? Yes, and he would have been physcially ill and going through withdrawals, as you know.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Well, if Prince took more than the directed dosage, that would be considered an overdose. We also have to consider his stature. Prince was a small-frame man, with a height of around 5'3", and only weighed 112 LBS at his time of death. Someone of that small stature and weight could not handle such a high dose of opioids. And, you don't need to be a doctor or have a PhD. to know that, but just saying.

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I also read about Fentanyl dosage and it states that Fentanyl is only given to a patient when other opioids no longer have any effect/provide pain relief. So, if Prince was taking this without a doctor's supervision (which we now know he was), then that is a deadly combination. Also, I read that Fentanyl overdose causes a heart-attack, which is probably what happened to Prince.

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https://www.drugs.com/pro...blets.html

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That breaks my heart to think he may have had heart attack. I just pray he felt nothing.

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Me too. I pray that he went peacefully.

OperatingThetan said:

Frankly, there's no need for a full autopsy report - the sad circumstances are all too evident. Prince nearly died of an over-dose less than a week before he passed under similar circumstances. The questions that we would like clarification on are more circumstantial, such as how long he'd been in pain, why did he resort to buying painkillers from illegal sources, etc., and wouldn't be answered by such a report.

No doubt. Seriously. But for some reason a lot of people can't accept that and are tilting at windmills, adding "mystery" where there's really very little. The common denominator seems to me to be in the vein of "no way was Prince a drug addict" and people automatically paint that in a negative light instead of something that can happen to anyone. How he died doesn't tarnish how I feel about him and his work one bit but it seems to really bother other folks and the level of ignorance on display in these threads about what constitutes a highly functioning drug addict is a astonishing to me.

Someone a few pages back actually posted "who becomes MORE creative when they're using drugs?" A LOT of people become more creative and artistic under the influence of drugs. A LOT. Why do you suppose there's such a strong correlation between creative types and substance abuse? Some of the most creative artists we've ever seen, read or heard created their best work under the influence of something and to suggest otherwise reveals, to my mind, the logic of someone who's never spent too much time creating artistic things. Hendrix did his entire set at Monterey tripping balls.

And this idea that the family owes us a full autopsy report just because some of us are too dense to see the handwriting on the wall and the facts for what they are flies in the face of many things that Prince stood for: privacy, eschewing the media, keeping his personal life private, etc. Some of us here need to get over ourselves and pretending there's some Big Giant Mystery when there's not.

herb4 said:

206Michelle said:

paulludvig said:

Again - bloodtests showed he had not been taking opioids since the Moline incident. Why wasn't he suffering serious withdrawal symptoms?

That's a great question.

Who said he wasn't? He cancelled one show, had an emergency plane landing around the same time, was admitted to the hospital and seemed to have an intervention in the works being planned by his closest confidants.

Honest to God, I think a lot of people are either conveniently forgetting or failing to understand just How Prince Rolled. He was tremendously private, very demanding of his firends, employees and associates and didn't let anyone into his inner circle unless they did what he said when he said to do it. He was "large" and in charge in that way and if you didn't do what Prince wanted you were let out.

Ask any of his wives, chefs or former band members.

It's the same thing with the "how could they LEAVE HIM ALONE?!?" argument. They left him alone in all likelihood because Prince demanded it and if u didn't do what Prince demanded you were cut out. Period.

This really, really really is not complicated at all and 99% of What Happened has been explained and is very easy to see.

And oh yeah. People keep bringing up the lack of fentanyl in his system as some sort of red flag or contradictory evidence.

8 - 24 hours is enough to clear fentanyl from any drug test.

https://newlifehouse.com/...ur-system/


So the lack of any traces of it in his system really doesn't tell us anything beyond that he hadn't injested it within a day or 2 of the test. I seriously doubt Prince intentionally took fent. The simplest explanation for what happened is that the level of his addiciton, combined with the DEA rescheduling these drugs and making them harder to get (no matter WHO you are), led Prince to the black market where he likely enlisted the aid of a personal friend to help him procure what he needed. These (street level) drugs are not regulated at all and it's incredibly common for people who inadvertantly got hooked on hydro or percs or something to seek out anything to curb the withdrawals. Often it's black market garbage made in China.

The fact that Prince had these things laying around in vitmain bottles and shit only speaks louder to the issue of an addict who's out of control; and imagine how easy it would be to fuel this habit for someone with Prince's means, power and income level.

See also: The dramatic spike in heroin use for further evidence of what I'm talking about, which coincided chronologically with the exact moment in time that the DEA began cracking down on pill mills and Dr. Feelgoods. Like I said, his friends and his employees DID AS THEY WERE TOLD/ASKED. Full stop. Point blank. They were usually asked to sign non disclosure agreements, agree to searches and other odd things to confirm their loyalty to him. It's how he wanted it and and Prince usually got what he wanted.

His inner cirlce did what HE SAID if they wanted to stay in the Purple Party and remain employed in what must have been a pretty cool job. Playing in a tight as hell funk band with one of our generation's greatest talents and songwriters sure as shit must have beat working at WalMart.

Lastly, as "anti drug" as Prince was and proclaimed to be, when it's PRESCRIBED, to a large extent, the stigma is lifted and, in the mind of the addict, it's Not The Same Thing as pushing spikes in your arm or snorting rails off of mirrors. Or even ripping bong hits. But then, once you're hooked, you're hooked and it doesn't really matter. And Prince was hooked. The evidence is clear and it's a fucking shame but it doesn't lessen his accomplishments and we don't have to make up excuses for him nor cast wild aspersions against his friends and employers motivated by some misguided attempt to "protect his image" or his legacy. The sooner the conspiracy minded crowd around here faces up to it, the sooner you'll find peace and closure with what really happened.

Because it's all right there and plain as day.

moonsister said:

cloveringold85 said:

The bottom like folks is that the full autopsy is never going to be released, and the family is not going to request that it be released. As you know, MN law states; full autopsy reports are "sealed" for 30-years!

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Until then, expect more controversy and rumors--this is what we are left with, and we just have to accept it.

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As long as this is still an ongoing homicide investigation, we aren't going to get any real information.

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Releasing the full autopsy report will put a lot of these rumors to rest!

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And for those of you who think keeping his autopsy sealed is respecting his privacy, I beg to differ. A deceased person no longer has any rights!

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Besides, what is the harm if they release the full autopsy, really? So what if we find out he had a terminal illness? That's not going to change the love we had for the man! Sheesh! smh

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What would make a family clam up like this?

Privacy concerns. Respect for the dead? Perhaps money.

Let me put it another way. Do you think your Mother or Father's autopsy report shold be made available to me because I'm curious, regardless of the reason(s)?

laurarichardson said:

OperatingThetan said:

1Sasha said: Prince wasn't improperly dressed. It was his habit to wear his clothes backwards and this has been confirmed by friends. There's no evidence he was 'tossed' into the elevator.

Who the hell put their socks on backwards?

Someone overdosing on heavy narcotics.

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

Who the hell put their socks on backwards?

Someone overdosing on heavy narcotics.

Lemme guess. laurarichardson is now going to accuse you of putting your socks on backwards due to overdosing on heavy narcotics, no?