precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

According to the Star Tribune

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Paramedics scrambled to revive Prince on the tarmac, and he recovered after two shots of naloxone, an overdose antidote increasingly being used and often referred to by its brand name Narcan.

The affidavits said Johnson told doctors in Moline that Prince may have taken Percocet.

Prince was documented as suffering from an opiate overdose, but the musician refused treatment at the hospital.

Later, at a meeting with medical professionals “to assess and address” health concerns, Prince admitted to taking one or two “pain pills” that night.

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Investigators found six people at the death scene, including Andrew Kornfeld, who had arrived in the Twin Cities at 6 a.m. that day to meet with Prince and assess him for a drug dependency program run by his father, Dr. Howard Kornfeld. He told detectives that he had controlled substances in his backpack that he brought to help Prince, but would not have administered them without a doctor present. He said his father didn’t know that he had brought the medications.

Authorities found a pamphlet for Howard Kornfeld’s “Recovery Without Walls” program in Paisley Park’s Purple Rain room.

It’s unclear whether authorities are pursuing a case against Andrew Kornfeld. But William Mauzy, a prominent Minneapolis attorney representing him, said Monday that Andrew Kornfeld is protected from criminal charges by a Minnesota law that generally shields anyone seeking medical assistance for a person overdosing on opioids.

Mauzy said Kornfeld declined to comment Monday because of patient confidentiality.

It’s also uncertain whether investigators are examining the actions of Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, who, according to the warrant affidavits, told detectives that he had treated Prince twice — April 7 and 20 of last year, and had issued a prescription for oxycodone, an opiate, under Johnson’s name to protect the star’s privacy.

But Amy Conners, Schulenberg’s attorney, said Monday that the doctor “never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

Scare in Moline

While the records Monday provided scant new details about the investigation, they did show that Prince, an intensely private person, traveled under the name Peter Bravestrong to help conceal his identity.

That name was on a luggage tag during his trip to Atlanta to perform in concert the week before his death.

It was on the return trip to the Twin Cities that Prince’s private plane made an emergency stop in Moline, Ill., after the musician fell ill and passed out.

Paramedics scrambled to revive Prince on the tarmac, and he recovered after two shots of naloxone, an overdose antidote increasingly being used and often referred to by its brand name Narcan.

The affidavits said Johnson told doctors in Moline that Prince may have taken Percocet.

Prince was documented as suffering from an opiate overdose, but the musician refused treatment at the hospital.

Later, at a meeting with medical professionals “to assess and address” health concerns, Prince admitted to taking one or two “pain pills” that night.

The affidavits also showed that investigators have conducted interviews far and wide, and have pored over cellphone records and e-mail accounts.

Prince didn’t use a cellphone because he’d been hacked years earlier, and communicated by e-mail and by landline.

Authorities also searched the cellphone records of several associates, including Johnson, whose name was on the labels of drug bottles found at Paisley Park. In addition to managing Paisley Park in recent years, Johnson coordinated tour logistics, organized concerts and after-parties, and contacted Schulenberg to help Prince with his hip pain.

Johnson did not did not respond to a phone call Monday seeking comment. However, F. Clayton Tyler, his attorney, issued a statement: “After reviewing the search warrants and affidavits released today, we believe that it is clear that Kirk Johnson did not secure nor supply the drugs which caused Prince’s death.”

Records show investigators also interviewed singer Judith Hill on June 16, and later learned that she had been involved romantically with Prince since fall of 2014.

Hill said she communicated with Prince through an e-mail account set up under the name of one of Prince’s former managers.

Monday’s disclosures come as Prince’s relatives battle in Carver County District Court over his massive estate, which is estimated at $100 million to $300 million before taxes. Prince died without a will, and in the months since, dozens of people have come forward to make claims.

The list of heirs has yet to be finalized, but the judge handling the case has indicated that Prince’s sister and five half-siblings will likely inherit his fortune.

• Read the unsealed Prince...documents

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Penny-I pulled the warrant. Your article is from the ST. The warrant states "according to witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2pills". This was not from the "horses mouth"...this was from KJ, as I stated before. Also in your article it states "the affidavit said Johnson told doctors in Moline that Prince may have taken Percocet". Point being-NONE of this came from Prince...it all came from KJ. I'm not trying to be difficult, just wanting facts out there...and we're assuming the warrant is fact. As I said before- I have doubts pertaining to the pils being labeled Watson 853 on the warrant. It's inconsistencies where there should be none. They even had to scratch out his BIRTHDAY! LOL! They "transposed" those numbers. Originally they put 1978, scratched it out and hand wrote 1958, so this is not a stretch in my thinking

Also,this ST article is apparently where we both read it took 2 Narcan shots to bring Prince back around. This is HIGHLY unusual, but absurd. There is no way in hell it would require 2 save shots because of anyone taking only 1-2 Percocets. Just ridiculous. No one woul OD on that amount anyway. Fentanyl only stays in the system up to 3 days max-SO,if the plane incident was Fentanyl (which yes, you can OD on 1 pill of THAT!), and he was clean until the 20th, the test that have been discussed claiming there was no Fentanyl in his system directly prior to his death would in fact be true because it leaves the system quickly.



Edit to add: read ISLIJAG reply #300 in regards to the warrant....she said the same thing before even checking the warrant. Her quote was "my bad, precioux...I think it (the warrant)said a WITNESS said Prince admitted to taking 1-2 pills." She was basically spot on. Gotta love her


Have a great night

Precioux
[Edited 5/25/17 21:03pm]
[Edited 5/25/17 21:20pm]

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Penny-I pulled the warrant. Your article is from the ST. The warrant states "according to witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2pills". This was not from the "horses mouth"...this was from KJ, as I stated before. Also in your article it states "the affidavit said Johnson told doctors in Moline that Prince may have taken Percocet". Point being-NONE of this came from Prince...it all came from KJ. I'm not trying to be difficult, just wanting facts out there...and we're assuming the warrant is fact. As I said before- I have doubts pertaining to the pils being labeled Watson 853 on the warrant. It's inconsistencies where there should be none. They even had to scratch out his BIRTHDAY! LOL! They "transposed" those numbers. Originally they put 1978, scratched it out and hand wrote 1958, so this is not a stretch in my thinking Also,this ST article is apparently where we both read it took 2 Narcan shots to bring Prince back around. This is HIGHLY unusual, but absurd. There is no way in hell it would require 2 save shots because of anyone taking only 1-2 Percocets. Just ridiculous. No one woul OD on that amount anyway. Fentanyl only stays in the system up to 3 days max-SO,if the plane incident was Fentanyl (which yes, you can OD on 1 pill of THAT!), and he was clean until the 20th, the test that have been discussed claiming there was no Fentanyl in his system directly prior to his death would in fact be true because it leaves the system quickly. Edit to add: read ISLIJAG reply #300 in regards to the warrant....she said the same thing before even checking the warrant. Her quote was "my bad, precioux...I think it (the warrant)said a WITNESS said Prince admitted to taking 1-2 pills." She was basically spot on. Gotta love her Have a great night Precioux [Edited 5/25/17 21:03pm] [Edited 5/25/17 21:20pm]

I said before would two percocets have made him overdose? Could he have been having a seizure? I know Dr. Drew said shat Judith Hill described did not sound like an o.d he said people on pain meds usually throw them up and usually o.d because the drugs are mixed with alcohol or other meds. Remember Juditn said they were eating pasta and the promoter said he complained about stomach pains after leaving the stage.

The link is below to the warrants.

The warrant dated 6/8/16 states that the doctor who treated P. said it is opiod overdose. The specific paragraph indicating this is also listed below.

http://www.mncourts.gov/In-Re-The-Investigation-into-the-Death-of-Prince-Rogers-Nelson

“Prince boarded a flight on April 15, 2016 to return to Minneapolis. While en route to Minneapolis, Prince suffered a medical emergency and the flight had to make an emergency landing in Moline, IL. The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment at the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff Prince may have taken Percocet. Prince was released from the hospital later that morning.”

leec1 said:

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said:

The link is below to the warrants.

The warrant dated 6/8/16 states that the doctor who treated P. said it is opiod overdose. The specific paragraph indicating this is also listed below.

http://www.mncourts.gov/In-Re-The-Investigation-into-the-Death-of-Prince-Rogers-Nelson

“Prince boarded a flight on April 15, 2016 to return to Minneapolis. While en route to Minneapolis, Prince suffered a medical emergency and the flight had to make an emergency landing in Moline, IL. The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment at the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff Prince may have taken Percocet. Prince was released from the hospital later that morning.”

Could the overdose have been preceded by a seizure.

I can't comment on whether there was also a seizure because we haven't seen the medical report from the Moline incident.

laurarichardson said:

I said before would two percocets have made him overdose? Could he have been having a seizure? I know Dr. Drew said shat Judith Hill described did not sound like an o.d he said people on pain meds usually throw them up and usually o.d because the drugs are mixed with alcohol or other meds. Remember Juditn said they were eating pasta and the promoter said he complained about stomach pains after leaving the stage.

Just because KJ or Prince told the Dr that he only took 1-2 pills, doesn't mean that he really took 1-2 pills, it was probably more then that for the OD to happen.

This is what I don't get: As a result of he Moline incident Prince was given two shots of Narcan. If he was an opiod addict that would send him straight into withdrawal, right? Blood test showed that he did not take opiods between the Moline incident and his death a week later. How was he able to be out and about at all during those days? Wouldn't he be terribly sick? If he was addicted to opiods, that is.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

Hey Precioux! I'm not sure how they dose Percocet, but if Prince even took 1 more pill than he should have, he could overdose. Like what just happened with Chris Cornell of Soundgarden (he took an extra Ativan). It's sad to see this happening again to another incredible artist. Another thing I wonder about is this; wouldn't Prince have felt the effects of 1 (or 2) extra pills on the plane? JH said his eyes were "fixed" and wasn't responding, so I guess it can happen that quick, ya know?

Are you insinuating, or outright claiming, that Chris Cornell died of a drug overdose? His death has been ruled a suicide by hanging per the ME. These two events/people are not remotely the same and should not be presented as such.

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I haven't read the news today about Chris Cornell, but last I knew, they were awaiting the toxicology reports. I know Chris comitted suicide (hanging), but what I was saying to Precioux was that he was under the influence of prescription drugs (Ativan), and possibly was using narcotics again.

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I wasn't comparing Chris' death to Prince's, only using it as an example. The bottom line is they both died as a result of abuse of prescription/street pills (drugs).

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

I said before would two percocets have made him overdose? Could he have been having a seizure? I know Dr. Drew said shat Judith Hill described did not sound like an o.d he said people on pain meds usually throw them up and usually o.d because the drugs are mixed with alcohol or other meds. Remember Juditn said they were eating pasta and the promoter said he complained about stomach pains after leaving the stage.

Just because KJ or Prince told the Dr that he only took 1-2 pills, doesn't mean that he really took 1-2 pills, it was probably more then that for the OD to happen.

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Wouldn't blood tests show exactly how much Percocets was in his system? The Rx bottle would show how many mg were prescribed. If Prince only took ONE, then that would not cause overdose. There was never any mention of any other drugs being in his system at that time, so this is quite perplexing!

leec1 said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said: I said before would two percocets have made him overdose? Could he have been having a seizure? I know Dr. Drew said shat Judith Hill described did not sound like an o.d he said people on pain meds usually throw them up and usually o.d because the drugs are mixed with alcohol or other meds. Remember Juditn said they were eating pasta and the promoter said he complained about stomach pains after leaving the stage.

The link is below to the warrants.

The warrant dated 6/8/16 states that the doctor who treated P. said it is opiod overdose. The specific paragraph indicating this is also listed below.

http://www.mncourts.gov/In-Re-The-Investigation-into-the-Death-of-Prince-Rogers-Nelson

“Prince boarded a flight on April 15, 2016 to return to Minneapolis. While en route to Minneapolis, Prince suffered a medical emergency and the flight had to make an emergency landing in Moline, IL. The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment at the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff Prince may have taken Percocet. Prince was released from the hospital later that morning.”

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The incident in Moline is a total clusterf*ck!! I've read reports which state Prince was in the hospital in Moline for several hours and left the next day (early morning), then I read other reports that state he was only in the hospital for 3-hours. I dunno what to think at this stage. There are also people out there who are saying Prince was never even in that hospital in Moline and there is no record of him ever being there. That footage we all saw with the airplane on the tarmac was taken by security video, so we really have no way of knowing if that was his "actual" plane or not!

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The incident in Moline is a total clusterf*ck!! I've read reports which state Prince was in the hospital in Moline for several hours and left the next day (early morning), then I read other reports that state he was only in the hospital for 3-hours. I dunno what to think at this stage. There are also people out there who are saying Prince was never even in that hospital in Moline and there is no record of him ever being there. That footage we all saw with the airplane on the tarmac was taken by security video, so we really have no way of knowing if that was his "actual" plane or not!

--The hospital has said they had no one by that name ever at the hospital making me think he used an assumed name. We know from that he did leave at noon the next day and it was TMZ that lied and said he left in huff. The only way to really know what happened in Moline would be to see the medical file which is never going to happen.

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Okay. Thanks for clarifying that!

Jill Jones has said lately and mentioned that she spoke to Prince on the phone the night before he passed. Is there any validity in what she said?

paulludvig said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

OMG, that other new thread discussing the pills!! We don't need a half-dozen threads discussing the same topic!! That other thread has gone of the rails crazy!!

What happened? Did you and Purple Diamonds start posting in it?

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Jill Jones has said lately and mentioned that she spoke to Prince on the phone the night before he passed. Is there any validity in what she said?

I had not heard she spoke with him ...What did she say?

When did she say this? I have never read this before. Who initiated the call?

PennyPurple said:

leec1 said:

I am aware that KJ said 1-2 pills were taken and I give little to no credence to anything that is said by KJ considering what we know about how "truthful" he is.

The search warrant states that the doctor indicated it was an opiod overdose which doctors in general don't base medical opinions on hearsay.

In addition, a Narcan shot had been administered to P. which worked and Narcan's main use is to revive people from opiods.

I think it took 2 Narcan shots.

I re-read the search warrants and they don't specify the number of Narcan shots.

I then went back to the articles written by the Associated Press and New York Times and they specify one Narcan shot. The links are below.

https://apnews.com/3c35f1efbd3a4ae1add3a3d787864475/apnewsbreak-official-says-prince-died-opioid-overdose

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html?_r=0

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Penny-I pulled the warrant. Your article is from the ST. The warrant states "according to witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2pills". This was not from the "horses mouth"...this was from KJ, as I stated before. Also in your article it states "the affidavit said Johnson told doctors in Moline that Prince may have taken Percocet". Point being-NONE of this came from Prince...it all came from KJ. I'm not trying to be difficult, just wanting facts out there...and we're assuming the warrant is fact. As I said before- I have doubts pertaining to the pils being labeled Watson 853 on the warrant. It's inconsistencies where there should be none. They even had to scratch out his BIRTHDAY! LOL! They "transposed" those numbers. Originally they put 1978, scratched it out and hand wrote 1958, so this is not a stretch in my thinking

Also,this ST article is apparently where we both read it took 2 Narcan shots to bring Prince back around. This is HIGHLY unusual, but absurd. There is no way in hell it would require 2 save shots because of anyone taking only 1-2 Percocets. Just ridiculous. No one woul OD on that amount anyway. Fentanyl only stays in the system up to 3 days max-SO,if the plane incident was Fentanyl (which yes, you can OD on 1 pill of THAT!), and he was clean until the 20th, the test that have been discussed claiming there was no Fentanyl in his system directly prior to his death would in fact be true because it leaves the system quickly.



Edit to add: read ISLIJAG reply #300 in regards to the warrant....she said the same thing before even checking the warrant. Her quote was "my bad, precioux...I think it (the warrant)said a WITNESS said Prince admitted to taking 1-2 pills." She was basically spot on. Gotta love her


Have a great night

Precioux
[Edited 5/25/17 21:03pm]
[Edited 5/25/17 21:20pm]

I said before would two percocets have made him overdose? Could he have been having a seizure? I know Dr. Drew said shat Judith Hill described did not sound like an o.d he said people on pain meds usually throw them up and usually o.d because the drugs are mixed with alcohol or other meds. Remember Juditn said they were eating pasta and the promoter said he complained about stomach pains after leaving the stage.

1Sasha said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said: I had not heard she spoke with him ...What did she say?

When did she say this? I have never read this before. Who initiated the call?

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I don't know if this is true; I was just asking if anyone heard anything about this.

paulludvig said:

leec1 said:

precioux said:

precioux said:

paulludvig said:

This is what I don't get: As a result of he Moline incident Prince was given two shots of Narcan. If he was an opiod addict that would send him straight into withdrawal, right? Blood test showed that he did not take opiods between the Moline incident and his death a week later. How was he able to be out and about at all during those days? Wouldn't he be terribly sick? If he was addicted to opiods, that is.

Correct! That shot would've sent him straight into withdrawal-and no one in full on withdrawal (if an opiate addict) can function. You're not budging from your bed or bathroom for days if you're in full on withdrawals and going cold turkey. That's why I don't think P was an addict. The equation doesn't make sense. Not unless he had basically withdrawn before and these incidents were "slip ups". Still doesn't make sense because if they were slip ups, he wouldn't have told others he was going to the Dr (and follow through on 4/7, 4/14 & 4/20) to find out what was wrong.

Below is the link to the Webmd site showing Narcan side effects. In reading this article and other articles, everyone does not necessarily have the same side effects, which could explain how P. was able to ride his bike, etc. when he returned to Chanhassen.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-6920-9190/narcan-solution/details/list-sideeffectsI

I know what I indicated above is speculation. I also can speculate further that it is possible that P. was trying to withdraw on his own thus the flulike symptoms and low tolerance to the opiod. In that scenario, if he took one or two pills on the plane, it would be possible to overdose.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Correct! That shot would've sent him straight into withdrawal-and no one in full on withdrawal (if an opiate addict) can function. You're not budging from your bed or bathroom for days if you're in full on withdrawals and going cold turkey. That's why I don't think P was an addict. The equation doesn't make sense. Not unless he had basically withdrawn before and these incidents were "slip ups". Still doesn't make sense because if they were slip ups, he wouldn't have told others he was going to the Dr (and follow through on 4/7, 4/14 & 4/20) to find out what was wrong.

--None of it makes sense. I is starting to look really sinister as much as most of us do not want to think about such a thing.

It's not. It all makes perfect sense. We know 99% of what happened. Only thing left is to figure out who bough the "hot" black market pills. And I think we even know the answer to that too.

This entire scenario really isn't that complicated.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The incident in Moline is a total clusterf*ck!! I've read reports which state Prince was in the hospital in Moline for several hours and left the next day (early morning), then I read other reports that state he was only in the hospital for 3-hours. I dunno what to think at this stage. There are also people out there who are saying Prince was never even in that hospital in Moline and there is no record of him ever being there. That footage we all saw with the airplane on the tarmac was taken by security video, so we really have no way of knowing if that was his "actual" plane or not!

--The hospital has said they had no one by that name ever at the hospital making me think he used an assumed name. We know from that he did leave at noon the next day and it was TMZ that lied and said he left in huff. The only way to really know what happened in Moline would be to see the medical file which is never going to happen.

Also, Prince may have requested to take the medical records of his stay/visit at the hospital in Moline.

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said: --None of it makes sense. I is starting to look really sinister as much as most of us do not want to think about such a thing.

It's not. It all makes perfect sense. We know 99% of what happened. Only thing left is to figure out who bough the "hot" black market pills. And I think we even know the answer to that too.

This entire scenario really isn't that complicated.

Again - bloodtests showed he had not been taking opioids since the Moline incident. Why wasn't he suffering serious withdrawal symptoms?

I don't think we know much about post-Moline blood tests. It was reported that Prince tested negative for fentanyl sometime prior to his death, but nothing was reported about other opioids. And we knwo little about his health in the week prior to his death, other than he appeared OK during the times he was spotted in public.

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Something about his condition apparently drove some associates to action on April 20, which resulted in contacting Dr. K, an appointment with/prescriptions from Dr. S, and, according to some reports, a hospital visit to receive an "intravenous treatment" that day.

paulludvig said:

herb4 said:

It's not. It all makes perfect sense. We know 99% of what happened. Only thing left is to figure out who bough the "hot" black market pills. And I think we even know the answer to that too.

This entire scenario really isn't that complicated.

Again - bloodtests showed he had not been taking opioids since the Moline incident. Why wasn't he suffering serious withdrawal symptoms?

I was just looking at some of Prince's tweets, but came across this......okay, this is SO eerie!!

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cloveringold85 said: