Author | Message |
George Clinton on His Memories of Prince: ‘He Didn’t Do No Drugs’ George Clinton on His Memories of Prince: ‘He Didn’t Do No Drugs’ .
"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0 | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Clinton implies Prince contributed to TCT and HMSMF more than we believe he did. I wonder what it means. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
He just didn't do that s*** in front of you. There's a lot of s*** I don't do in front of people. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
So are you saying, he did that sh***? | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TrivialPursuit said:
--George is saying he never saw Prince use drugs. In fact George talks about this at length in his autobiography and this was a few years before April 21 2016. In fact in his book he said in never saw Prince use drugs or be under influence and that he was amazed at his discipline. Because Orince died from a drug overdose dose not mean he was a life long dope head. When you have a hard core drug user like George around and you do not indulge that to me is saying something. Many people who knew Prince have said over and over again he was not a recreational drug user but some of you are stuck on that belief. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Prince abused narcotics, George. We just don't know when he began. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Early '80's... | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Exactly. It's amazing to me how after the Medical Examiner report was released, so many fans want to be revisionist about Prince's personal life. It's the rush to believe the worst in Prince just because the media play up the "drug addict" angle when covering Prince now. The only thing that has been proven is that Prince abused prescription pills in the last months of his life. There's a lot of unsubstaniated hearsay about Prince using recreational drugs but no one can back up these claims. I wish George Clinton would have said "Prince did not do any drugs to the best of his knowledge", but I appreciate Clinton sharing his thoughts about Prince because now that Prince is no longer here to defend himself. 3121 #1 THIS YEAR | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Only in the early 80's or since the early 80's? | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013 | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
[Edited 4/26/17 9:33am] "You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013 | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TrivialPursuit said:
-//No Prince did not hide his shit well for almost 40 maybe 50 if you go back to people who knew has teen in the music scene in Minnespolis. But keep trying you are track with following the narrative the media wants to sell. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
MiceElfAgin said:
. In the back of George's book he has the sworn deposition from one of the people involved with forging his name in royalty checks. See George was not getting any of those royalty checks either. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
leadline said:
[Edited 4/26/17 9:33am] I read the whole OP and thought English certainly isn't his first language. Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜 | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
MiceElfAgin said:
. --I will but I also watched a documentary about Bernie a few years back were he walked around begging for a job because he admitted he signed away his royalties just because he was not paying attention to his business. Those depositions in the back of George's book are real the crook is Armen Boldarian who George once belived was a friend. The same thing is happening now with Londell a so-called friend is a crook. [Edited 4/26/17 10:31am] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
laurarichardson said: TrivialPursuit said:
-//No Prince did not hide his shit well for almost 40 maybe 50 if you go back to people who knew has teen in the music scene in Minnespolis. But keep trying you are track with following the narrative the media wants to sell. I don't think it's following a media narrative. For some they believe they're dealing in reality whereas others are living in some fantasy land. But if we want to deal with facts the facts are we don't know how long he was dealing with this painkiller issue. If some want to believe he was secretly hiding a painkiller addiction for 30-40 years they can do that. But all I have to say then is he really was superman doing everything he did in his career while hiding this from everyone (and not abusing the painkillers enough for people to know he was on something or to overdose prior to April 2016). Amazing. Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜 | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
. [Edited 4/26/17 10:39am] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
rogifan said: laurarichardson said: -//No Prince did not hide his shit well for almost 40 maybe 50 if you go back to people who knew has teen in the music scene in Minnespolis. But keep trying you are track with following the narrative the media wants to sell. I don't think it's following a media narrative. For some they believe they're dealing in reality whereas others are living in some fantasy land. But if we want to deal with facts the facts are we don't know how long he was dealing with this painkiller issue. If some want to believe he was secretly hiding a painkiller addiction for 30-40 years they can do that. But all I have to say then is he really was superman doing everything he did in his career while hiding this from everyone (and not abusing the painkillers enough for people to know he was on something or to overdose prior to April 2016). Amazing. --It is an amazing feat I am sure the long list of musicians who cannot even put a sentence together (Sly Stone) who would love to know how he did it. I would suggest anyone who thinks Prince recreational drug users for 40 years needs to get off whatever they are on. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Lots of ignorance in relation to his opioid drug use here. The drugs that killed Prince would not have been taken by him for very long, your body just can't take it, it would have been a recent addiction, certainly not something from the 80's or 90's he would be long gone if it was. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
For right now, I'm just going to take what he's saying that Prince wasn't a recreational user, period. And call it a day. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I think it's important to make a distinction about drug abuse and prescription drug abuse. My grandmother never used street drugs but when she was diagnosed with cancer and was undergoing chemo and radiation therapy, percocet became necessary for pain management. 2.5 mg of percocet was prescribed to her for 7 days at a time and I kid you not within 10 days, just two prescriptions, my grandmother was not only hooked on the percocet she was asking for stronger dosages, eventually begging and crying to her doctor for stronger medicine. Within the 8 months of treatment for cancer my grandma moved up the pain med ladder until she had to be hospitalized and given diluaded, the most potent opiod based medication for pain. Once my grandmother was confirmed as cancer free, her doctor made her go cold turkey. She begged for the meds anyway, making up stories about pain that wasn't there and saying she slept so well with the pills. Eventually she got off them and came to realize that the meds were playing with her mind. There is a scientific reason for this, opiod based meds have proven to be massively more addictive than street drugs. They change your chemical make up and make the pain feel sharper and more powerful over time causing your body to want more and more to quell the pain. Was my grandmother an addict? Fuck you if you think that, she was in pain and wanted a solution, she didn't want the meds for fun or recreation, she didn't put herself in that position, cancer put her in that position. Prince was not an addict, if you think that having pills everywhere is addict behavior; wrong. When my grandmother was in the toughest part of her chemotherapy we had no less than 6 bottles of percocet around the house. When a doctor knows how much pain his/her patient is in, they make sure you've got a solution and enough of it readily available. My mom carried percocet, so did I, so did my Uncle, there was a bottle in the kitchen, the bathroom and my grandma's bedroom. Why? Because when and if the pain hit and say no one was home, if she was in the living room could she make it to the bedroom or collapse? Mind you, we were all in constant contact, letting each other know what she was taking and when and keeping the schedule as directed by the doctor. However, there is this thing that says 'take every 4 to 6 hours or AS OFTEN AS NEEDED FOR PAIN.' If someone in unimaginable pain tells you they need another pill after taking one 3 hours ago are you gonna say no when they are grabbing you and squeezing the breath out of you because they are hurting that bad? Of course not, you're gonna try your best to help them feel better. I say all that to say this; the idea that Prince was some drug addict is way off to me as someone who has seen firsthand what goes on for treatment of pain. I have talked to parents who have kids on these meds who have been diagnosed with horrible forms of cancer, are those kids addicts? You think they want to take these meds? You think Prince WANTED to have percocet all around Paisley Park? He NEEDED pills all around Paisley Park or else he probably wouldn't have been able to function or move when the pain kicked in. The sentiment that Prince's individual fortitude or resolve was lessened by taking these pills is arrogant judgment without knowledge of his actual real pain. Contantly taking percocet weakens your pain center and weakens your 'fight or flight' aka adrenaline, that is probably why he literally died on that plane and for there to be fentanyl around someone who needed to be resuscitated from a perc overdose is at minimum gross negligence. Don't just throw out the word 'ADDICT', the word isn't fair to people with real physical pain they can't live with without taking pills. Don't think that taking pills means the person is weak because fighting through pain is more than just the pills, it takes courage everyday to get out of bed to feel pain and take pills again. The pills are supposed to HELP you fight the pain, they should be augmenting your courage to live and fight through it. I can't tell you how many days my grandma refused them and said she gives up and just let her go. Taking the pain meds was a choice to fight back against the pain not a choice to be weak. This is just a different perspective from the notion that Prince was a weak addict that died from this dark secret. Think about all that Prince was doing in the last year of his life, is that someone who wasn't fighting? Was that someone who was weak in the face of his pain? The fact that he was looking for help to get off the pills and find alternatives to them before he died, does that say he lacked courage and was weak minded? This man went to work everyday. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I haven’t really been following any of this drug related gossip so perhaps I’m missing something, but surely there’s a huge difference between recreational drug use and becoming addicted to medication. Given constant pain and poor medical advice, I’m sure that any one of us could fall into the latter trap. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Polo1026 said: I think it's important to make a distinction about drug abuse and prescription drug abuse. My grandmother never used street drugs but when she was diagnosed with cancer and was undergoing chemo and radiation therapy, percocet became necessary for pain management. 2.5 mg of percocet was prescribed to her for 7 days at a time and I kid you not within 10 days, just two prescriptions, my grandmother was not only hooked on the percocet she was asking for stronger dosages, eventually begging and crying to her doctor for stronger medicine. Within the 8 months of treatment for cancer my grandma moved up the pain med ladder until she had to be hospitalized and given diluaded, the most potent opiod based medication for pain. Once my grandmother was confirmed as cancer free, her doctor made her go cold turkey. She begged for the meds anyway, making up stories about pain that wasn't there and saying she slept so well with the pills. Eventually she got off them and came to realize that the meds were playing with her mind. There is a scientific reason for this, opiod based meds have proven to be massively more addictive than street drugs. They change your chemical make up and make the pain feel sharper and more powerful over time causing your body to want more and more to quell the pain. Was my grandmother an addict? Fuck you if you think that, she was in pain and wanted a solution, she didn't want the meds for fun or recreation, she didn't put herself in that position, cancer put her in that position. Prince was not an addict, if you think that having pills everywhere is addict behavior; wrong. When my grandmother was in the toughest part of her chemotherapy we had no less than 6 bottles of percocet around the house. When a doctor knows how much pain his/her patient is in, they make sure you've got a solution and enough of it readily available. My mom carried percocet, so did I, so did my Uncle, there was a bottle in the kitchen, the bathroom and my grandma's bedroom. Why? Because when and if the pain hit and say no one was home, if she was in the living room could she make it to the bedroom or collapse? Mind you, we were all in constant contact, letting each other know what she was taking and when and keeping the schedule as directed by the doctor. However, there is this thing that says 'take every 4 to 6 hours or AS OFTEN AS NEEDED FOR PAIN.' If someone in unimaginable pain tells you they need another pill after taking one 3 hours ago are you gonna say no when they are grabbing you and squeezing the breath out of you because they are hurting that bad? Of course not, you're gonna try your best to help them feel better. I say all that to say this; the idea that Prince was some drug addict is way off to me as someone who has seen firsthand what goes on for treatment of pain. I have talked to parents who have kids on these meds who have been diagnosed with horrible forms of cancer, are those kids addicts? You think they want to take these meds? You think Prince WANTED to have percocet all around Paisley Park? He NEEDED pills all around Paisley Park or else he probably wouldn't have been able to function or move when the pain kicked in. The sentiment that Prince's individual fortitude or resolve was lessened by taking these pills is arrogant judgment without knowledge of his actual real pain. Contantly taking percocet weakens your pain center and weakens your 'fight or flight' aka adrenaline, that is probably why he literally died on that plane and for there to be fentanyl around someone who needed to be resuscitated from a perc overdose is at minimum gross negligence. Don't just throw out the word 'ADDICT', the word isn't fair to people with real physical pain they can't live with without taking pills. Don't think that taking pills means the person is weak because fighting through pain is more than just the pills, it takes courage everyday to get out of bed to feel pain and take pills again. The pills are supposed to HELP you fight the pain, they should be augmenting your courage to live and fight through it. I can't tell you how many days my grandma refused them and said she gives up and just let her go. Taking the pain meds was a choice to fight back against the pain not a choice to be weak. This is just a different perspective from the notion that Prince was a weak addict that died from this dark secret. Think about all that Prince was doing in the last year of his life, is that someone who wasn't fighting? Was that someone who was weak in the face of his pain? The fact that he was looking for help to get off the pills and find alternatives to them before he died, does that say he lacked courage and was weak minded? This man went to work everyday. Great point and eloquently put, it's a shame as there is so much ignorance on this subject. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Sorry Polo1026, I hadn’t read your comment when I posted mine. Exactly. Not only does the sufferer need to overcome the physical addiction to medication, but doing so also results in the return of unbearable pain. It’s disheartening how pious and judgemental some people are. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Thank you for the kindness, it really is a shame that people blindly lump people into groups instead of looking more in depth at the issue and truly trying to understand what is happening to people who take prescription drugs and why those people are taking those drugs. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |