laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

See the bolded part ^ ....................HUH? Of course people take these drugs (painkillers) to get high. Over here in the states, it's so bad that it has become a nationwide epedimic. They are highly abused drugs here. It's so bad that the people who do need these painkillers can barely obtain them. The abusers of these drugs make these fake pills cut with whatever and in Prince's case, they were cut with a lethal dose of fentanyl. You never know what you are going to get when you buy off the streets.

-/Do you not believe he had any pain? Damm!!

WHAT? See there you go again, with your twist and turns and putting YOUR words in other peoples mouths. And I'm getting pretty damn sick and tired of it. I'm also getting damn sick and tired of the way you treat people here and think everyone is so damn dumb, and you are so fucking smart & the way you think you know everything when you don't know shit. YOU are the one who needs things explained to you, over & over & over.

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The man had pain, there is no denying that. It all started with the Purple Rain tour, when he was jumping from the risers multiple times while wearing his heels. The tour lasted almost a year and that's when he started needing the painkillers....and that was when he was YOUNG, can you imagine the pain when he was at the age when he died?

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What don't you understand, you've been told time after time. These drugs are barely obtainable for the people who try to get them legally? Most drs. won't even prescribe them anymore, you have almost got to be in pain management, in order to get them legally. As you well know, Prince didn't really have a dr. There was 1 script written in Kirk's name, he didn't die using that script. They were so hard to obtain, that these painkillers were obtained on the street. THAT IS WHAT KILLED HIM. Had he have gone to a damn pain management dr. he wouldn't have to had resorted to street drugs.

And another thing...that is what Yoda was telling everyone it's been since the 80's but some are blind and can't see what Yoda was saying. Sheesh.

[Edited 4/29/17 8:30am]

The one thing that I think provides another coincidence is the fact that he did not have any traces of Fentanyl in his system prior to his death.

This makes the plane incident a different situation altogether. I am of the opinion that he had a bad interaction with cold medication on that plane.

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

Thank you Benni, for the life of me, I don't know why people can't understand this.

Um your previous post said of course people take painkillers to get high.

but what if they r trying to replace a more dangerous drug ?

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

Thank you Benni, for the life of me, I don't know why people can't understand this.

Um your previous post said of course people take painkillers to get high.

The abusers do...you know the ones who takes them for shits and giggles.........

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

Thank you Benni, for the life of me, I don't know why people can't understand this.

Um your previous post said of course people take painkillers to get high.

Maybe you need to read further into the paragraph.

Here's what my quote said:

PennyPurple said:

See the bolded part ^ ....................HUH? Of course people take these drugs (painkillers) to get high. Over here in the states, it's so bad that it has become a nationwide epedimic. They are highly abused drugs here. It's so bad that the people who do need these painkillers can barely obtain them. The abusers of these drugs make these fake pills cut with whatever and in Prince's case, they were cut with a lethal dose of fentanyl. You never know what you are going to get when you buy off the streets.

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

WHAT? See there you go again, with your twist and turns and putting YOUR words in other peoples mouths. And I'm getting pretty damn sick and tired of it. I'm also getting damn sick and tired of the way you treat people here and think everyone is so damn dumb, and you are so fucking smart & the way you think you know everything when you don't know shit. YOU are the one who needs things explained to you, over & over & over.

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The man had pain, there is no denying that. It all started with the Purple Rain tour, when he was jumping from the risers multiple times while wearing his heels. The tour lasted almost a year and that's when he started needing the painkillers....and that was when he was YOUNG, can you imagine the pain when he was at the age when he died?

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What don't you understand, you've been told time after time. These drugs are barely obtainable for the people who try to get them legally? Most drs. won't even prescribe them anymore, you have almost got to be in pain management, in order to get them legally. As you well know, Prince didn't really have a dr. There was 1 script written in Kirk's name, he didn't die using that script. They were so hard to obtain, that these painkillers were obtained on the street. THAT IS WHAT KILLED HIM. Had he have gone to a damn pain management dr. he wouldn't have to had resorted to street drugs.

And another thing...that is what Yoda was telling everyone it's been since the 80's but some are blind and can't see what Yoda was saying. Sheesh.

[Edited 4/29/17 8:30am]

I think the point was you said people are obtaining these pills to get high. I read a story about a small town in West Virginia that has been plagued by this crisis. The issue wasn't that people who needed them couldn't get them but that they were too easily being prescribed by doctors. NBC had a story about high school kids who got injured playing sports, were given prescriptions by their family doctor and ended up getting hooked on them. The whole point of the story was to be wary when a doctor starts prescribing a lot of medication. Obviously street drugs are a huge deal too but I think it needs to start with the medical community and scientific researchers coming up with a better way to manage pain. There are commercials on TV now advertising medication for people who become constipated because they're taking opioids. These are not people getting stuff off the street, these are legal prescriptions coming from doctors. It's nuts.

Oxycontin used to be handed out like candy by the Drs. it was the 'miracle' drug. Big Pharma was pushing it big time. While it was a 'miracle' for people with severe pain, what they didn't tell you was, the more tolerant you become, the more you need, the more you take, the less it works and can actually cause pain. They also didn't tell you that it was addicting and would be hell to get off of it. NOW days it's not so easy to obtain. The epidemic of OD's and deaths have drs scared to write the scripts, they mostly send you to pain management.

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Again, there is a huge difference between the ones who are on these drugs for pain, and the ones who are on them for shits and giggles. The ones who have abused them for shits and giggles are actually harming the people that really need them.

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Prince didn't use these drugs for shits & giggles. He used them for his pain. He rarely seen a dr. so where did he have to turn to get the pills? The streets.

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Who is to blame? Big Pharma & Drs. Big Pharma rewarded the drs who handed them out like candy.

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I know this because I have personal experience with it, due to my husband having a spinal cord disease and spinal cord damage. It took him 4 years to wean off this crap under a drs care. And his prescriptions were legal, took them just as prescribed.

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Yes, the abusers take 'pain pills' for shits and giggles, they are abusers.

He did, sadly. Ted Nugent really went after rock star druggies the other day.

PennyPurple said:

2freaky4church1 said:

rogifan said:

leadline said:

You have to know that is slang and/or simply just improper use of the english language right? George was a master of funk, not the english language. Sure we all know a double negative is a positive, but it is clear that is not what he meant, and even clearer in his book.

[Edited 4/26/17 9:33am]

I read the whole OP and thought English certainly isn't his first language.

I understood him perfectly. My ability to comprehend what GC was saying, and my ability to not throw shade at how he expresses himself, can be attributed to being raised by a mother who had to interupt her education to work the farm in the deep south every planting and harvesting season. Maybe I'm just extra sensitive today, but your comment to me, harkens to a time when educators in the U.S. deemed African American students inferior simply because they did not speak standard English "correctly". I do however agree with you, English probably isn't his first language; I would venture to bet that his first language is funk.

Not true Laura, he had to have been popping pills all week, hence the overdose the week before. The difference was, he was popping the legal pills that were obtained in Kirks name, when he popped the street drugs, is when he died.

Giovanni777 said:

...not to mention that it appears that his episelpy came back (or came back years ago, or never left), and he was managing that, and possibly other things as well. I've wondered about carpal tunnel syndrome for years now.

When I saw videos of him with the arm cuff, I wondered if it was a fashion statement or carpal tunnel. I also wondered if that was also one of the reasons for the P&M tour.

databank said:

Something else to keep in mind with pain medication (or any medicines for that matter) is that doctors don't always know all there is to know about these medications, except for what they are told by the sales reps.

Case in point: Tramadol is a synthetic opioid. Up until a few years ago, it was considered to be non-addictive and doctors could prescribe it however they wanted. Doc had prescribed it to me. It was considered a non-narcotic and was treated that way. Now, they have decided that it is addictive and they treat it as a narcotic.

Stadol is another narcotic that is abused by the medical profession at an alarming high rate. It is a nasal spray pain medication. Back in the 90s, I went to the ER with a new blood clot. The doctor prescribed stadol and told me to take two sprays up each nostril. I was in college, midterms, and told him I wanted something that would not mess with my head because I had to study for classes and he assured me that this was not a narcotic and would not mess with my head. I was leery about taking it, as I'd never taken a nasal spray pain medication before. I went home and started doing some serious research on it. Found out, it was highly addictive and it was a narcotic. The recommended manufacturer dosage was one spray up one nostril. Period. If I had taken it the way the doctor prescribed, I would have ended up in the hospital from an overdose, or ended up dead. I never did take the medication, because it scared me.

Doctors only know about medication by what they are told from the sales reps. They do not have time to research all this medication and they just don't.

benni said:

Something else to keep in mind with pain medication (or any medicines for that matter) is that doctors don't always know all there is to know about these medications, except for what they are told by the sales reps.

Case in point: Tramadol is a synthetic opioid. Up until a few years ago, it was considered to be non-addictive and doctors could prescribe it however they wanted. Doc had prescribed it to me. It was considered a non-narcotic and was treated that way. Now, they have decided that it is addictive and they treat it as a narcotic.

Stadol is another narcotic that is abused by the medical profession at an alarming high rate. It is a nasal spray pain medication. Back in the 90s, I went to the ER with a new blood clot. The doctor prescribed stadol and told me to take two sprays up each nostril. I was in college, midterms, and told him I wanted something that would not mess with my head because I had to study for classes and he assured me that this was not a narcotic and would not mess with my head. I was leery about taking it, as I'd never taken a nasal spray pain medication before. I went home and started doing some serious research on it. Found out, it was highly addictive and it was a narcotic. The recommended manufacturer dosage was one spray up one nostril. Period. If I had taken it the way the doctor prescribed, I would have ended up in the hospital from an overdose, or ended up dead. I never did take the medication, because it scared me.

Doctors only know about medication by what they are told from the sales reps. They do not have time to research all this medication and they just don't.

Totally agree.

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My dr. once told me that he gives people with back pain, tramadol because it wasn't a narcotic and they wouldn't become addicted & that way the drug seekers wouldn't get what they came for.....often the drug seekers claim to have lower back pain.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

benni said:

Something else to keep in mind with pain medication (or any medicines for that matter) is that doctors don't always know all there is to know about these medications, except for what they are told by the sales reps.

Case in point: Tramadol is a synthetic opioid. Up until a few years ago, it was considered to be non-addictive and doctors could prescribe it however they wanted. Doc had prescribed it to me. It was considered a non-narcotic and was treated that way. Now, they have decided that it is addictive and they treat it as a narcotic.

Stadol is another narcotic that is abused by the medical profession at an alarming high rate. It is a nasal spray pain medication. Back in the 90s, I went to the ER with a new blood clot. The doctor prescribed stadol and told me to take two sprays up each nostril. I was in college, midterms, and told him I wanted something that would not mess with my head because I had to study for classes and he assured me that this was not a narcotic and would not mess with my head. I was leery about taking it, as I'd never taken a nasal spray pain medication before. I went home and started doing some serious research on it. Found out, it was highly addictive and it was a narcotic. The recommended manufacturer dosage was one spray up one nostril. Period. If I had taken it the way the doctor prescribed, I would have ended up in the hospital from an overdose, or ended up dead. I never did take the medication, because it scared me.

Doctors only know about medication by what they are told from the sales reps. They do not have time to research all this medication and they just don't.

Totally agree.

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My dr. once told me that he gives people with back pain, tramadol because it wasn't a narcotic and they wouldn't become addicted & that way the drug seekers wouldn't get what they came for.....often the drug seekers claim to have lower back pain.

He prescribes mine for the damage left behind from all the blood clots I've had. Valves don't work in my leg, they don't close, so leg gets very painful at times. He also prescribes 240 pills per month. I don't use that amount, and may go 3 months inbetween getting the refills, but he wants me to have them in case I get a new clot or my leg gets really bad.

He's talked about moving me to a different pain medication, like percocets or vicodin, but I keep putting him off.

1contessa said:

. I've also read about him losing so much weight that his skin was hanging loosely around his neck, which brings to mind all the questions from some that I've read as to why he used to wear gloves and turtlenecks, even when the weather wasn't cold?

i wonder if the weight loss was from fasting. fasting is done for many different reasons, including to break addictions, but also fasting for other peoples healing, etc.

margi said:

(which prince earlier blood tests showed he had no signs of Fentanyl use previously and is a very important point)

thanks for mentioning that, cool.

TwiliteKid said:

databank said:

Clinton implies Prince contributed to TCT and HMSMF more than we believe he did. I wonder what it means.

Prior to Smell My Finger's release George was interviewed by Billboard and said the Prince was "all over the record", specifically mentioning Big Pump, Way Up and Get Satisfied if I remember correctly.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

WHAT? See there you go again, with your twist and turns and putting YOUR words in other peoples mouths. And I'm getting pretty damn sick and tired of it. I'm also getting damn sick and tired of the way you treat people here and think everyone is so damn dumb, and you are so fucking smart & the way you think you know everything when you don't know shit. YOU are the one who needs things explained to you, over & over & over.

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The man had pain, there is no denying that. It all started with the Purple Rain tour, when he was jumping from the risers multiple times while wearing his heels. The tour lasted almost a year and that's when he started needing the painkillers....and that was when he was YOUNG, can you imagine the pain when he was at the age when he died?

.

What don't you understand, you've been told time after time. These drugs are barely obtainable for the people who try to get them legally? Most drs. won't even prescribe them anymore, you have almost got to be in pain management, in order to get them legally. As you well know, Prince didn't really have a dr. There was 1 script written in Kirk's name, he didn't die using that script. They were so hard to obtain, that these painkillers were obtained on the street. THAT IS WHAT KILLED HIM. Had he have gone to a damn pain management dr. he wouldn't have to had resorted to street drugs.

And another thing...that is what Yoda was telling everyone it's been since the 80's but some are blind and can't see what Yoda was saying. Sheesh.

[Edited 4/29/17 8:30am]

I am sorry you do not know what a question mark means. Know one is twisting or turning anything. It is called asking a question. If you do not know how to answer a question you make people question your intelligence. As far as how he got injured just about everything you stay came from the tabloids with no one verifiable backing any of that up. We have numerous people who actually allow their names to be used who are saying repeatly that he used these drugs for pain and was not a recreational drug user. You also do not know if he had a physician if Kirk had Rxs put in his name which is legal to do I am sure it was done many times before and I am sure he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 with a physician handling his care probaly under another name. We also know he had 65k in medical expenses on his inventory report we know that expense was not for illegal drugs. When he had surgery in 2010 obviously a doctor performed the surgery probaly went in under an assumed name. Why don't you have the Purple Yoda tell you about these hospital visits and medical expenses instead of telling us things that cannot be substantiated by anyone else. Oh and if he was taking pain meds back in the 80s in defiantly could not have have been abusing them to many people around him and too much productivity and with the amount of wine Jerome Benton said he liked to drink he would have been as dead as a door nail. [Edited 4/29/17 20:13pm] [Edited 4/29/17 20:17pm]

Please see post 180, paragraph 2. I did answer your question you posted in #178........

The Media’s Irresponsible Coverage of Prince’s So-Called Addiction

By Toshia Humphries May 13 2016

As the harsh reality of Prince’s untimely exit fully sinks in and our grieving continues, the world is now clouded with a media frenzy. The latter results from a combination of things: Prince’s private mystique, the questionable way in which he died and the lack of known facts surrounding his death. The absence of information and length of time required to produce autopsy results leaves fans both curious and concerned. As such, the media stands to make a profit from any seemingly substantial theories they can provide.

One proposed theory is particularly concerning and directly impacts the addiction recovery community. The sudden claim that Prince was addicted to narcotic pain pills surfaced shortly after his demise and it didn’t take too much time for the media to produce so-called witnesses to also support this suggestion. Recently, statements have been made declaring Prince had an appointment to see an addiction specialist which was reportedly scheduled just days after his death.

However, what the public fails to remember is that we still don't know the cause of his death and therefore have no proof that he was indeed an addict. Additionally, few of us have actually had the privilege of personally knowing him, and so we can only base our individual conclusions on what we do know: that Prince was private, professional, constantly producing music, still performing and seemingly one of the most humble, spiritual and holistically healthy artistic geniuses our world has ever known.

Rarely is that description ever used to describe an active addict. Moreover, the holistic health and spirituality components were often self-professed by Prince in various interviews throughout his career. He was a vegan, devout Jehovah’s Witness, claimed to abstain from drugs and alcohol and, according to those who toured with him, required all those around him to be abstinent as well. Additionally, in 2000, according to his sister, Tyka Nelson, Prince assisted her in receiving help for her drug addiction.

Again, none of the aforementioned information points toward active addiction as a cause of death for Prince. What the media is portraying begs for a better public understanding of the signs and symptoms that are typically present in drug abuse and addiction.

Below is a list of common characteristics of drug abuse, addiction and prescription opiate intoxication.

Signs and Symptoms of Drug Abuse

• Neglecting professional and personal responsibilities because of drug use
• Using drugs in risky situations or dangerous circumstances and practicing high-risk behavior under the influence of drugs
• Drug use resulting in legal consequences
• Drug use negatively affecting interpersonal relationships and resulting in loss of romantic relationships, employment, family connections and/or friends

Signs and symptoms of Drug Addiction

• Presence of drug tolerance and more drugs that are needed to acquire the same desired effect
• Drug use is necessary to prevent withdrawal symptoms
• Loss of self-control over the use of drugs, typically noted with several promises or attempts to quit
• Obsessive and compulsive thoughts about attempts to score or recovering from the effects of drugs
• Complete loss of interest in hobbies, socializing, or activities once considered priorities
• The continued use of drugs, regardless of negative consequences or destructive effects to self, family, friends or career

Signs and Symptoms of Prescription Opiate Intoxication

• Decreased social interaction
• Sleepiness or drowsiness
• Declining cognitive function (i.e., poor memory, lack of focus, etc.)
• Decreased bowel movements or constipation
• Decreased motor skills (i.e., slowed movements, reactions, etc.)
• Slowed breathing
• Unstable mood
• Nervousness or anxiety
• Depression or complete apathy

The Verdict: Royal Addict or Not?

So, the question for those in the recovery community remains: was Prince really an addict or not?

Unfortunately, without full, personal knowledge of his life, no ethical helping professional can safely, publicly make that call. However, given the public way in which celebrity lives are typically exposed, it does seem appropriate to assume that the general population would have caught onto some signs of a growing, self-destructive issue. Whether a functioning or non-functioning addict, Prince would have shown obvious behavioral symptoms at award ceremonies, during interviews or on stage, especially if his reported addiction had spanned the two decades claimed by a few media outlets. However, none of these aforementioned signs or symptoms was ever witnessed by the public, which make these recent claims in the media even more concerning.

If the media is merely using the deadly disease of addiction to influence the public, regardless of the underlying motive without considering the ramifications of a public diagnosis or potential misdiagnosis based on hearsay, they are not merely disrespecting the late Prince, but they are also recklessly misleading and misinforming the general population about the disease of addiction, its chronic and progressive nature, and the holistic—physical, behavioral and spiritual—signs and symptoms that ultimately accompany it. The inherent danger that this possibility poses to the public, the field of addiction and the recovering community is insurmountable and equal only to the deliberate destruction of The Purple One’s once gleaming reputation and resulting devastation felt by his still-devoted fans.

[Edited 5/1/17 16:25pm]

muleFunk said:

The Media’s Irresponsible Coverage of Prince’s So-Called Addiction

By Toshia Humphries May 13 2016

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As the harsh reality of Prince’s untimely exit fully sinks in and our grieving continues, the world is now clouded with a media frenzy. The latter results from a combination of things: Prince’s private mystique, the questionable way in which he died and the lack of known facts surrounding his death. The absence of information and length of time required to produce autopsy results leaves fans both curious and concerned. As such, the media stands to make a profit from any seemingly substantial theories they can provide.

One proposed theory is particularly concerning and directly impacts the addiction recovery community. The sudden claim that Prince was addicted to narcotic pain pills surfaced shortly after his demise and it didn’t take too much time for the media to produce so-called witnesses to also support this suggestion. Recently, statements have been made declaring Prince had an appointment to see an addiction specialist which was reportedly scheduled just days after his death.

However, what the public fails to remember is that we still don't know the cause of his death and therefore have no proof that he was indeed an addict. Additionally, few of us have actually had the privilege of personally knowing him, and so we can only base our individual conclusions on what we do know: that Prince was private, professional, constantly producing music, still performing and seemingly one of the most humble, spiritual and holistically healthy artistic geniuses our world has ever known.

Rarely is that description ever used to describe an active addict. Moreover, the holistic health and spirituality components were often self-professed by Prince in various interviews throughout his career. He was a vegan, devout Jehovah’s Witness, claimed to abstain from drugs and alcohol and, according to those who toured with him, required all those around him to be abstinent as well. Additionally, in 2000, according to his sister, Tyka Nelson, Prince assisted her in receiving help for her drug addiction.

Again, none of the aforementioned information points toward active addiction as a cause of death for Prince. What the media is portraying begs for a better public understanding of the signs and symptoms that are typically present in drug abuse and addiction.

Below is a list of common characteristics of drug abuse, addiction and prescription opiate intoxication.

Signs and Symptoms of Drug Abuse

• Neglecting professional and personal responsibilities because of drug use
• Using drugs in risky situations or dangerous circumstances and practicing high-risk behavior under the influence of drugs
• Drug use resulting in legal consequences
• Drug use negatively affecting interpersonal relationships and resulting in loss of romantic relationships, employment, family connections and/or friends

Signs and symptoms of Drug Addiction

• Presence of drug tolerance and more drugs that are needed to acquire the same desired effect
• Drug use is necessary to prevent withdrawal symptoms
• Loss of self-control over the use of drugs, typically noted with several promises or attempts to quit
• Obsessive and compulsive thoughts about attempts to score or recovering from the effects of drugs
• Complete loss of interest in hobbies, socializing, or activities once considered priorities
• The continued use of drugs, regardless of negative consequences or destructive effects to self, family, friends or career

Signs and Symptoms of Prescription Opiate Intoxication

• Decreased social interaction
• Sleepiness or drowsiness
• Declining cognitive function (i.e., poor memory, lack of focus, etc.)
• Decreased bowel movements or constipation
• Decreased motor skills (i.e., slowed movements, reactions, etc.)
• Slowed breathing
• Unstable mood
• Nervousness or anxiety
• Depression or complete apathy

The Verdict: Royal Addict or Not?

So, the question for those in the recovery community remains: was Prince really an addict or not?

Unfortunately, without full, personal knowledge of his life, no ethical helping professional can safely, publicly make that call. However, given the public way in which celebrity lives are typically exposed, it does seem appropriate to assume that the general population would have caught onto some signs of a growing, self-destructive issue. Whether a functioning or non-functioning addict, Prince would have shown obvious behavioral symptoms at award ceremonies, during interviews or on stage, especially if his reported addiction had spanned the two decades claimed by a few media outlets. However, none of these aforementioned signs or symptoms was ever witnessed by the public, which make these recent claims in the media even more concerning.

If the media is merely using the deadly disease of addiction to influence the public, regardless of the underlying motive without considering the ramifications of a public diagnosis or potential misdiagnosis based on hearsay, they are not merely disrespecting the late Prince, but they are also recklessly misleading and misinforming the general population about the disease of addiction, its chronic and progressive nature, and the holistic—physical, behavioral and spiritual—signs and symptoms that ultimately accompany it. The inherent danger that this possibility poses to the public, the field of addiction and the recovering community is insurmountable and equal only to the deliberate destruction of The Purple One’s once gleaming reputation and resulting devastation felt by his still-devoted fans.

Thanks for posting this.

djThunderfunk said:

rogifan said:

I have said since August that there is a concerted effort to smear and discredit Prince and his legacy.

This article is almost a YEAR old and today was the first time I saw it and it appeared in a Facebook

group. No mainstream media outlet carried this .