The fact that it was originally included in the film script is proof enough that Electric Intercourse was in no way intended as filler.

It was replaced with a more appropriate song for the film that it's fairly safe to assume Prince thought was a better track.

Still doesn't make EI filler though.

everything else is just personal taste.

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jaawwnn said:

Knightoflight said:

Just to clarify my position: Mozart and Bach either had several tunes that were actually improvisations. They just cared enough to write it down to musical sheets. But it was never supposed to be played note for note. So it is really funny when someone claims that changing a note in certain tune is wrong. Same goes here: Prince was a genius and has been exploring own musical abilities. He did cared to record as much ideas as possible. But that does not mean all of them are genius. Example: guitar improvisation of "Strange relationship" at the very end of Billy sunglasses is amazing. Is it a new tune? - No Is it an example of Prince talent? - Yes Is there a guarantee of finding such jams in the vault (apart of competed almond) - No Prince is my favorite musician a par with Bach, Jimi Hendrix and Chris Rea. That made me myself and added flavor to my soul.

Ooh, so close!

bonatoc said:

ufoclub said:

Quite clearly just like he would later do with Days of Wild or the instrumental Xenophobia... Prince records a studio version and then opts to push a live version. This is what I suspect he did with Purple Rain, I Would Die 4 U, Baby I'm a Star as well. I'd bet you $20. I'm actually surprised that this special Purple Rain edition didn't have studio demos of those album tracks. In this case what was obviously a live rehearsal, we first heard in 1990 or so, over the years grew into what was thought of as the actual intended version by some fans. But the difference between his studio approach and live approach has always been a bit more bizarre, eclectic, skeletal, and innovative in the studio, a bit more mainstream, traditional, thicker, and emotionally energetic in the live version. Also all the Prince lore (The Vault, etc) has errors on some things. It's all mostly based on recollections, scribbled notes, and logical connections... but not fact.

Agreed!

EnDoRpHn said:

madhouseman said:

From what I've gathered, Electric Intercourse (the studio version) was recorded at his home sometime between May and July 1983.

The live version was overdubbed on September 12, 1983.

Let's Go Crazy was recorded on the weekend after the August 3, 1983 show.

Hope some of this helps.

It sure did. When I read the OP I immediatelly skimmed thru the whole thread looking for your reply, hoping there'd be one. Case closed I guess

Knightoflight said:

bonatoc said:

Ooh, so close!

Close to what?

To make a credible point.
Chris Rea is an honest musician, but come on.
You can't just drop his name next to guys that changed things for ever.

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— Self-snipped double post —

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Knightoflight said:

I downloaded Electric Intercourse and Roadhouse garden from Apple Music And listened to each 15 times at least... I just don't get it. Just a filler. And probably Prince was right to omit it. And he might have known better than most of us that there was no reason to get back to his records. Apart from few completed albums sitting in the vault I do no care re any other release.

the outtake: Electric Intercourse (Studio),

wow this ain't a filler, classic Prince, gets big love from me..

however Roadhouse Garden is a disappointment though, filler indeed....

1 great + 1 bad, thats ok..... I can't wait for june 23 to arrive... yes, buying the expanded set..

bonatoc said:

Knightoflight said:

bonatoc said: Close to what?

To make a credible point.
Chris Rea is an honest musician, but come on.
You can't just drop his name next to guys that changed things for ever.

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Why not?

What is any musician doing? Creates a vision that is either close\familiar to oneself or not.

So if Prince music helped to shape your world - fine with that.

But do not try to play game of finding "who is the best".

Neither Prince, nor any prolific musician supports that. This is not a competion

Knightoflight said:

bonatoc said:

To make a credible point.
Chris Rea is an honest musician, but come on.
You can't just drop his name next to guys that changed things for ever.

[Edited 6/4/17 16:26pm]

Why not?

What is any musician doing? Creates a vision that is either close\familiar to oneself or not.

So if Prince music helped to shape your world - fine with that.

But do not try to play game of finding "who is the best".

Neither Prince, nor any prolific musician supports that. This is not a competion

Agree. But you're the one saying the EI is a filler.
And then you name-drop Chris Rea, which is in another category of musicians, whatever his qualities. Something don't compute. There is some objectivity to be found, when comparing the works of the two, no matter how important they are to us personally.

bonatoc said:

Knightoflight said:

Why not?

What is any musician doing? Creates a vision that is either close\familiar to oneself or not.

So if Prince music helped to shape your world - fine with that.

But do not try to play game of finding "who is the best".

Neither Prince, nor any prolific musician supports that. This is not a competion

Agree. But you're the one saying the EI is a filler.
And then you name-drop Chris Rea, which is in another category of musicians, whatever his qualities. Something don't compute. There is some objectivity to be found, when comparing the works of the two, no matter how important they are to us personally.

But that is exactly my point that one could not compare the works of any musician.

One of my pals is a huge fan of Muse.

While I would not like them as Led Zeppelin - stil lI could not refuse their popularity and promotion of modern British music.

Are Muse inferior to Led Zeppelin? No. Just another piece of cake

fabriziovenerandi said:

Dilan said:

When did he say this? And there are outtakes from Purple rain i.e wednesday

Some years ago talking about a Purple Rain release with outtakes from Purple Rain. He said something similar to "there are no outtakes from Purple Rain". I do not remember where...

he was just saying ....the album was intended as such....but there r 100 songs he recorded for it

Knightoflight said:

bonatoc said:

Agree. But you're the one saying the EI is a filler.
And then you name-drop Chris Rea, which is in another category of musicians, whatever his qualities. Something don't compute. There is some objectivity to be found, when comparing the works of the two, no matter how important they are to us personally.

But that is exactly my point that one could not compare the works of any musician.

One of my pals is a huge fan of Muse.

While I would not like them as Led Zeppelin - stil lI could not refuse their popularity and promotion of modern British music.

Are Muse inferior to Led Zeppelin? No. Just another piece of cake

Ah OK then. Didn't come quite clear.

Oh noooo, you did it again!

I'm all for democracy, but it's not a fun world if you don't go deep in things.
Muse is a fine band. They found a style. They came at a time where things have already been said.
Maybe that's what put a thin leash on their creativity.

What I mean by that is that Prince is one of the very few musicians that kept the experimentation ethic above all (by the end of his career, he had done it all, so he could take a vacation, "— and ho-oow!"*), in times where it was already difficult. When Fleetwood Mac comes with "Beautiful Child", it's normal that we are going to consider every ballad that comes afterwards with a clear level of emotion. It's not the level, per se, it's how much this feeling is shared.

When a serious slice of music lovers, people who make a point to listen to everything, agrees on the same records, generation after generation, that tells you something.
I'm not saying that LesterBangs-style journalists have a say to diss Muse, but it's suspect.
And there's a little of truth, because sometimes their musical influences take over the song.

And that's precisely that: there was no Led Zep before Led Zep, and the band has an importance that is passed generation to generation. Why? Not because of a dogma. If you think that way, then you haven't listened to Led Zep properly. You need six months with the first 6 albums.
Muse, for all the aforementioned reasons, couldn't possibly take that long to absorb.
That doesn't diminish the pleasure I can have when I hear ther SOTT reprise.
They're a fine band. But Jeff Buckley sang the same way, more arty and less melodramatic, which I prefer.


*Prince & The Revolution - Girl O' My Dreams - 1986

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Knightoflight said:

While I would not like them as Led Zeppelin - stil lI could not refuse their popularity and promotion of modern British music.

Are Muse inferior to Led Zeppelin? No. Just another piece of cake

There go your true colors again.
It's fine, I have nothing against considering pop musicians from a show-business point of view.
But I like to consider them from a creativity and commonly shared aural pleasure even more.
I saw Muse arrive, right after "OK Computer" and "Grace".
No wonder I found them suspicious.

databank said:

madhouseman said:

From what I've gathered, Electric Intercourse (the studio version) was recorded at his home sometime between May and July 1983.

The live version was overdubbed on September 12, 1983.

Let's Go Crazy was recorded on the weekend after the August 3, 1983 show.

Hope some of this helps.

It sure did. When I read the OP I immediatelly skimmed thru the whole thread looking for your reply, hoping there'd be one. Case closed I guess

This was already confirmed years ago on here.

JorisE73 said:

databank said:

It sure did. When I read the OP I immediatelly skimmed thru the whole thread looking for your reply, hoping there'd be one. Case closed I guess

This was already confirmed years ago on here.

The studio version was confirmed years ago? I thought it was previously unknown?

Anyone here who thinks this is filler or was recorded in 2014-15 needs their ears cleaned!

It is an absolute classic capturing the sheer raw passion of his vocals at the time, to me this is classic Prince in line with a lot of other unreleased songs from around the time.

You can hear from the style and the quality this is from that era, if it was done later it would have sounded drastically different (remember Extravloveable Reloaded?!) plus I don't think he was

capable of singing so heartfelt or passionately in his later years (those screams?!), at least not in the studio!

I would guess it was was done in 1983, the live version was probably an improvisation of this (which is also excellent).

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TheEnglishGent said:

JorisE73 said:

This was already confirmed years ago on here.

The studio version was confirmed years ago? I thought it was previously unknown?

No I meant the overdubbed live version. I only heard rumours of a full studio version like everyone else. But the studio overdubbed First Avenue version was confirmed years ago on here.

bonatoc said:

Knightoflight said:

While I would not like them as Led Zeppelin - stil lI could not refuse their popularity and promotion of modern British music.

Are Muse inferior to Led Zeppelin? No. Just another piece of cake

There go your true colors again.
It's fine, I have nothing against considering pop musicians from a show-business point of view.
But I like to consider them from a creativity and commonly shared aural pleasure even more.
I saw Muse arrive, right after "OK Computer" and "Grace".
No wonder I found them suspicious.

It does not show my colors - just an example.

The Muse did quite good cover of "Sign if the times" and many of my colleagues (being Muse fans) discovered Prince through me )))

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

Anyone here who thinks this is filler or was recorded in 2014-15 needs their ears cleaned!

It is an absolute classic capturing the sheer raw passion of his vocals at the time, to me this is classic Prince in line with a lot of other unreleased songs from around the time.

You can hear from the style and the quality this is from that era, if it was done later it would have sounded drastically different (remember Extravloveable Reloaded?!) plus I don't think he was

capable of singing so heartfelt or passionately in his later years (those screams?!), at least not in the studio!

I would guess it was was done in 1983, the live version was probably an improvisation of this (which is also excellent).

[Edited 6/7/17 1:25am]

Where have I claimed that this is not his style?

Synth and drums are from respective era.

This is just a primitive song which

1) clear shows his craftmanship as a professional musician. S

2) ain`t nothing close to his masterpieces

It was rumored he has written ~100 songs for "Purple rain".

Do you really believe all of them where alike.

On contrary - this is ok that personal development anticipates changing quantity to quality

I`m not blind to treat each and every song of Prince as excellent and outstanding.

At the same time he did so much for the music industry that it is hard to match

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Knightoflight said:

At the same time he did so much for the music industry that it is hard to match

...and again!

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Anyone here who thinks this is filler or was recorded in 2014-15 needs their ears cleaned!

It is an absolute classic capturing the sheer raw passion of his vocals at the time, to me this is classic Prince in line with a lot of other unreleased songs from around the time.

You can hear from the style and the quality this is from that era, if it was done later it would have sounded drastically different (remember Extravloveable Reloaded?!) plus I don't think he was

capable of singing so heartfelt or passionately in his later years (those screams?!), at least not in the studio!

I would guess it was was done in 1983, the live version was probably an improvisation of this (which is also excellent).

[Edited 6/7/17 1:25am]

There are rehearsals (Purple Rush) that have the original vocal delivery intact, one in falsetto and one in his regular register, but same original melody. Somewhere between that initial rehearsal, where he was teaching the band the song after recording it, and the rehearsals for the First Ave gig (maybe one in the same but different days?), he changed the melody, which I think is drastically superior. The original vocal, and even the track itself, sounds more "International Lover"-ish and "1999" era as a whole, which would explain the overdubbed First Avenue version, which I can't wait to hear when it's released.

^ Agreed. It DOES have a 1999 era vibe (especially the screams, piano melodies and the final yeah yeah yeah yeah yeahs which was similar to those on that album), who knows it may even be from '82!?

But I think it's probably safe to say it was done before the live version we have all heard.

[Edited 6/9/17 1:46am]

Im a big fan of Miles Davis,Jimi Hendrix and Michael Jackson. Of course my absolute fav is Prince. Those I mentioned have all had released albums posthumously,most of those albums are overdubbed and remixed. These albums as far as im concerned are not true. They do not have the same feel as the previous albums cos the artists themselves did not have a part in their production. My point is WB,or The Estate can say what they want and theres no one to dispute it. Its all about money and not about Princes art anymore. I WOULDNT BELIEVE A SINGLE THING THE ESTATE HAS TO SAY ABOUT ANY SONG COS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THE FUCKING MONEY.