Genesia said:

Polo1026 said:

I think it's important to make a distinction about drug abuse and prescription drug abuse.

Thank you. There is a big damn difference between physical dependence and popping pills for kicks.

Yes, I’m not sure why people have such a hard time differentiating the two. That said, I wouldn’t think any less of someone in either case, who am I to judge?

fen said:

Polo1026 said:

I think it's important to make a distinction about drug abuse and prescription drug abuse. My grandmother never used street drugs but when she was diagnosed with cancer and was undergoing chemo and radiation therapy, percocet became necessary for pain management. 2.5 mg of percocet was prescribed to her for 7 days at a time and I kid you not within 10 days, just two prescriptions, my grandmother was not only hooked on the percocet she was asking for stronger dosages, eventually begging and crying to her doctor for stronger medicine. Within the 8 months of treatment for cancer my grandma moved up the pain med ladder until she had to be hospitalized and given diluaded, the most potent opiod based medication for pain. Once my grandmother was confirmed as cancer free, her doctor made her go cold turkey. She begged for the meds anyway, making up stories about pain that wasn't there and saying she slept so well with the pills. Eventually she got off them and came to realize that the meds were playing with her mind. There is a scientific reason for this, opiod based meds have proven to be massively more addictive than street drugs. They change your chemical make up and make the pain feel sharper and more powerful over time causing your body to want more and more to quell the pain. Was my grandmother an addict? Fuck you if you think that, she was in pain and wanted a solution, she didn't want the meds for fun or recreation, she didn't put herself in that position, cancer put her in that position. Prince was not an addict, if you think that having pills everywhere is addict behavior; wrong. When my grandmother was in the toughest part of her chemotherapy we had no less than 6 bottles of percocet around the house. When a doctor knows how much pain his/her patient is in, they make sure you've got a solution and enough of it readily available. My mom carried percocet, so did I, so did my Uncle, there was a bottle in the kitchen, the bathroom and my grandma's bedroom. Why? Because when and if the pain hit and say no one was home, if she was in the living room could she make it to the bedroom or collapse? Mind you, we were all in constant contact, letting each other know what she was taking and when and keeping the schedule as directed by the doctor. However, there is this thing that says 'take every 4 to 6 hours or AS OFTEN AS NEEDED FOR PAIN.' If someone in unimaginable pain tells you they need another pill after taking one 3 hours ago are you gonna say no when they are grabbing you and squeezing the breath out of you because they are hurting that bad? Of course not, you're gonna try your best to help them feel better. I say all that to say this; the idea that Prince was some drug addict is way off to me as someone who has seen firsthand what goes on for treatment of pain. I have talked to parents who have kids on these meds who have been diagnosed with horrible forms of cancer, are those kids addicts? You think they want to take these meds? You think Prince WANTED to have percocet all around Paisley Park? He NEEDED pills all around Paisley Park or else he probably wouldn't have been able to function or move when the pain kicked in. The sentiment that Prince's individual fortitude or resolve was lessened by taking these pills is arrogant judgment without knowledge of his actual real pain. Contantly taking percocet weakens your pain center and weakens your 'fight or flight' aka adrenaline, that is probably why he literally died on that plane and for there to be fentanyl around someone who needed to be resuscitated from a perc overdose is at minimum gross negligence. Don't just throw out the word 'ADDICT', the word isn't fair to people with real physical pain they can't live with without taking pills. Don't think that taking pills means the person is weak because fighting through pain is more than just the pills, it takes courage everyday to get out of bed to feel pain and take pills again. The pills are supposed to HELP you fight the pain, they should be augmenting your courage to live and fight through it. I can't tell you how many days my grandma refused them and said she gives up and just let her go. Taking the pain meds was a choice to fight back against the pain not a choice to be weak. This is just a different perspective from the notion that Prince was a weak addict that died from this dark secret. Think about all that Prince was doing in the last year of his life, is that someone who wasn't fighting? Was that someone who was weak in the face of his pain? The fact that he was looking for help to get off the pills and find alternatives to them before he died, does that say he lacked courage and was weak minded? This man went to work everyday.

Sorry Polo1026, I hadn’t read your comment when I posted mine. Exactly. Not only does the sufferer need to overcome the physical addiction to medication, but doing so also results in the return of unbearable pain. It’s disheartening how pious and judgemental some people are.

No worries, I think the more people voicing a different opinion on this subject can help people see the other side instead of jumping in their judgment bag. Addiction is a choice, pain is not a choice.

Polo1026 said:

fen said:

Sorry Polo1026, I hadn’t read your comment when I posted mine. Exactly. Not only does the sufferer need to overcome the physical addiction to medication, but doing so also results in the return of unbearable pain. It’s disheartening how pious and judgemental some people are.

No worries, I think the more people voicing a different opinion on this subject can help people see the other side instead of jumping in their judgment bag. Addiction is a choice, pain is not a choice.

It was a beautifully articulated comment Polo1026. I’m sorry to hear that your grandmother suffered with this. x

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fen said:

Polo1026 said:

No worries, I think the more people voicing a different opinion on this subject can help people see the other side instead of jumping in their judgment bag. Addiction is a choice, pain is not a choice.

It was a beautifully articulated comment Polo1026. I’m sorry to hear that your grandmother suffered with this. x

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thank you, thank God she's been cancer free now for 8 years and just had her 87th birthday in December. I just hope my comments give people a different lens to look from.

Polo1026 said:

fen said:

It was a beautifully articulated comment Polo1026. I’m sorry to hear that your grandmother suffered with this. x

[Edited 4/26/17 12:47pm]

thank you, thank God she's been cancer free now for 8 years and just had her 87th birthday in December. I just hope my comments give people a different lens to look from.

That's great, good for her! I’m sure that your comment will help at least.

TrivialPursuit said:

Dag. Are you folks serious? Prince was dealing with pain management, and responsibly using pain meds. What killed him was a pill that would kill an elephant, which was stamped as a simple Hydrocodone. The inventory report shows several 1/4 and 1/2 cut other pain meds. NOT the sign of an addict. Wake the f@%k up. It appears that he was actually trying to get off his pain meds.

...not to mention that it appears that his episelpy came back (or came back years ago, or never left), and he was managing that, and possibly other things as well. I've wondered about carpal tunnel syndrome for years now.

databank said:

Clinton implies Prince contributed to TCT and HMSMF more than we believe he did. I wonder what it means.

But didn't we already know that from the soundman that came here to the org and spilled the beans on Prince being more involved than previously reported?

Giovanni777 said:

...not to mention that it appears that his episelpy came back (or came back years ago, or never left), and he was managing that, and possibly other things as well. I've wondered about carpal tunnel syndrome for years now.

He also mentioned that he had vertigo in one interview.

Giovanni777 said:

Polo1026 said:

fen said:

It was a beautifully articulated comment Polo1026. I’m sorry to hear that your grandmother suffered with this. x

[Edited 4/26/17 12:47pm]

thank you, thank God she's been cancer free now for 8 years and just had her 87th birthday in December. I just hope my comments give people a different lens to look from.

Wow, that's wonderful. Makes me feel good to hear your grandmother's story. Thanks for sharing.

Giovanni777 said:

...not to mention that it appears that his episelpy came back (or came back years ago, or never left), and he was managing that, and possibly other things as well. I've wondered about carpal tunnel syndrome for years now.

Let's try do deal with some facts. It is not a fact that his epilepsy came back & if you think so, let's see some medical records.

laurarichardson said:

Giovanni777 said:

Dag. Are you folks serious? Prince was dealing with pain management, and responsibly using pain meds. What killed him was a pill that would kill an elephant, which was stamped as a simple Hydrocodone. The inventory report shows several 1/4 and 1/2 cut other pain meds. NOT the sign of an addict. Wake the f@%k up. It appears that he was actually trying to get off his pain meds.

--From the very begining it was stated he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals and we know the meds he received are for withdrawals some people are just going to ignore this factoid.

And yet, he only saw Dr. S a total of 2 times....

Giovanni777 said:

Dag. Are you folks serious? Prince was dealing with pain management, and responsibly using pain meds. What killed him was a pill that would kill an elephant, which was stamped as a simple Hydrocodone. The inventory report shows several 1/4 and 1/2 cut other pain meds. NOT the sign of an addict. Wake the f@%k up. It appears that he was actually trying to get off his pain meds.

First off, if he was responsibly using pain meds, then how did he OD on the plane? Second off, if he was responsibly using pain meds, why did he overdose on street drugs that was cut with fentanyl?

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Yes, he may have started off using pain meds like he was supposed to, but that's not how it ended up. And if he was using pain meds like he was supposed to, how come there weren't any prescriptions written for him?

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And again, those 1/4 & 1/2 cut pills tell me that he needed more and more and was cutting them up for something like break thru pain, and NOT that he was cutting them up to decrease his dosage.

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Was he a drug addict in the form of getting high? NO

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Was he addicted to drugs due to his pain? YES

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There is a big difference between the two.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Let's try do deal with some facts. It is not a fact that his epilepsy came back & if you think so, let's see some medical records.

-/You are never going to see his medical records so that is a moot point. There are rumors that he was having seziure sand one of the meds can be prescribed for seizures in fact this was even mention by the AP services.

And that same medication also has MULTIPLE uses. as has been explained to you many, many times.

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It is only a RUMOR that he his epilepsy had come back, and I actually think it was YOU who is the one who kept mentioning it over and over, to the point that people are starting to believe it and repeat it. Again, there are NO FACTS to prove that it had returned.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

First off, if he was responsibly using pain meds, then how did he OD on the plane? Second off, if he was responsibly using pain meds, why did he overdose on street drugs that was cut with fentanyl?

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Yes, he may have started off using pain meds like he was supposed to, but that's not how it ended up. And if he was using pain meds like he was supposed to, how come there weren't any prescriptions written for him?

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And again, those 1/4 & 1/2 cut pills tell me that he needed more and more and was cutting them up for something like break thru pain, and NOT that he was cutting them up to decrease his dosage.

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Was he a drug addict in the form of getting high? NO

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Was he addicted to drugs due to his pain? YES

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There is a big difference between the two.

--You have no more insight into what was going on then of the rest of us and continue to ignore facts. If he was so irresponsible why go see a doctor to withdraw? Why was he having stomach pains and sore throat and lost of weight? Maybe he was trying to withdraw cold turkey? Why would someone cut their meds if they were not trying to reduce? Dr. S did not write any pain meds but he sure wrote some for Kirk and since meds were written for Prince under Kirk's name this time who is to say that was not going on in past years? Many things we do not and may never know.

The pills being cut in 1/4 or 1/2 doesn't mean he was cutting back...it could also mean he was needing more and more. The medicine he was prescribed for 'withdrawel' has Multiple uses and doesn't mean his epilepsy was back.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

And that same medication also has MULTIPLE uses. as has been explained to you many, many times.

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It is only a RUMOR that he his epilepsy had come back, and I actually think it was YOU who is the one who kept mentioning it over and over, to the point that people are starting to believe it and repeat it. Again, there are NO FACTS to prove that it had returned.

I know the meds have many uses you are the one that is hellbent on the fact that it was only prescribed for one reason. Not sure why since you have no way of knowing and I did not start the seizure rumor because now you have someone else bringing it up. Oh and I guess you forgot Prince mentioned it twice himself interviews so it was not meant to be a secret as they can come and go.

You did start the rumor here on the org. and like I explained some people start to believe that crap. You are right Prince said in those interviews, that the seizures stopped when he was a kid, and he hasn't suffered any since.

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PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

The pills being cut in 1/4 or 1/2 doesn't mean he was cutting back...it could also mean he was needing more and more. The medicine he was prescribed for 'withdrawel' has Multiple uses and doesn't mean his epilepsy was back.

-- Just ignore what it states in the search warrant !! This just must be killing you

I know what the search warrant states. It doesn't state that the cut pills were cut because he was cutting back....it also doesn't say where he had those meds prescribed to him for epilepsy.

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

MiceElfAgin said:

laurarichardson said:

MiceElfAgin said: In the back of George's book he has the sworn deposition from one of the people involved with forging his name in royalty checks. See George was not getting any of those royalty checks either.

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I have George's book.

If you're interested in what kind of a guy GC is, I strongly suggest to read Bernie Worrell's stories at http://wooniversaltruths....orrell.com

i witnessed Bernie doing coke ....

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

I thought people were assuming he was getting sick because he was going through withdrawal? His chef mentioned throat and stomach pains. Would withdrawal from painkillers cause sore throats?

-/Yes, it does and you would think people would be able to put it together.

And you would also think that people wouldn't live in their own fantasy world and make up alternative facts for their own purpose either.

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

He just didn't do that s*** in front of you. There's a lot of s*** I don't do in front of people.

finally someone on here who has some vision..