If true, maybe that is why the family doesn't want to release the autopsy report. It might show an impaired liver which would in turn reveal long-term opioid use. If, as a JW, he could not seek treatment, would there be any recourse?

1Sasha said:

oliviacamron said:

NotACleverName said:

oliviacamron said:

Liver failure causes swelling . My friend just went through it. Her body and especially stomach was swollen because of it. Liver failure in Prince was just an idea someone made up out of thin air. . As far as JWs, Prince didn't appear to be with them anymore. That one song a few years ago he said fuck the congregation then he was hanging with Christians. I don't think any of JWs ever changing wacko doctrine would have kept him from getting proper medical care,jmo .

Nope....he was still an active JW follower. This photo was captured on March 23, 2016. He was, apparently, attending a "Jesus' Death" service.



Also, he was scheduled to speak at a JW gathering on April 3, 2016 but canceled due to illness. Source: http://www.eonline.com/ne...ource-says

Regarding the bolded, what song would that be and would you please provide your source? Thanks in advance!

NotACleverName said:

oliviacamron said:

Liver failure causes swelling . My friend just went through it. Her body and especially stomach was swollen because of it. Liver failure in Prince was just an idea someone made up out of thin air. . As far as JWs, Prince didn't appear to be with them anymore. That one song a few years ago he said fuck the congregation then he was hanging with Christians. I don't think any of JWs ever changing wacko doctrine would have kept him from getting proper medical care,jmo .

Nope....he was still an active JW follower. This photo was captured on March 23, 2016. He was, apparently, attending a "Jesus' Death" service. Also, he was scheduled to speak at a JW gathering on April 3, 2016 but canceled due to illness. Source: http://www.eonline.com/ne...ource-says Regarding the bolded, what song would that be and would you please provide your source? Thanks in advance!

I've often thought that the JW's stood the most to lose when their faithful congregant P died without a will. Why didn't he provide an income stream, trust, massive gift while he was alive if he so believed in what they were doing? Why no evidence of multi-million dollar gifts? I know about some 50-100K things but come on, the guy was worth hundreds of millions. Such a gift would have funded lots of soul-saving. I think of this most when people go on about how 'charitable' P was...if so, then why not MAJOR bucks to the organization/people closest to his very soul?

Leopard52 said:

NotACleverName said:

Nope....he was still an active JW follower. This photo was captured on March 23, 2016. He was, apparently, attending a "Jesus' Death" service. Also, he was scheduled to speak at a JW gathering on April 3, 2016 but canceled due to illness. Source: http://www.eonline.com/ne...ource-says Regarding the bolded, what song would that be and would you please provide your source? Thanks in advance!

If that picture was in March of 2016.... where is his FRO??? Can't be.

GREAT catch! Also, he was MUCH thinner and sick looking right before he passed.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

--' I think this private room crap was made up by TMZ.

Laura, no disrespect at all but I am gonna change your comment a bit: "I think this private room crap was made up".

Made up by anyone and everyone with an agenda to push.

moonsister said:

Mumio said:

Go right ahead and keep this stupid shit up as you continually do looking for attention. If you think for one minute anyone is paying any significant attention to this, you really are delusional.

Was kinda funny. . . .

Maybe the first time, maybe the second time. But this poster continually posts this disrespectful bullshit time after time and I'm sick of seeing it. If he/she has nothing to say than posting stupid pics, then they can spare everyone and just stop it. It's stupid and has been stupid for some time.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Leopard52 said:

If that picture was in March of 2016.... where is his FRO??? Can't be.

GREAT catch! Also, he was MUCH thinner and sick looking right before he passed.

Exactly.

NotACleverName said:

My mistake....my apologies for any confusion! This CNN article, http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-witness/, does quote James Lundstrom (religious friend and fellow parishioner of Prince since 2002) who says he did attend an event at the JW Hall on March 23, 2017. This article, http://www.dailymail.co.u...side.html, includes the photo and identifies it as Prince attending a JW event in the summer of 2015. However, that still doesn't match the hair and physique. That's probably why I rarely reference the DM site. Anyway, info indicates he was still a JW at the time of his passing.

The JWs were saying that hoping he had a will that left all his money to them.

There is no way any other JW male would get away with wearing make-up,

eyeliner, glyph's, ulilizing New Age Mysticism, The 3rd Eye, chakras, etc etc.

Both you and I know it would never be tolerated by the elders of the JW

Church if anyone else was doing this.

I believe he was moving away from the JWs the past two years and was

once again seeking answers through other means.

NotACleverName said:

oliviacamron said:

Liver failure causes swelling . My friend just went through it. Her body and especially stomach was swollen because of it. Liver failure in Prince was just an idea someone made up out of thin air. . As far as JWs, Prince didn't appear to be with them anymore. That one song a few years ago he said fuck the congregation then he was hanging with Christians. I don't think any of JWs ever changing wacko doctrine would have kept him from getting proper medical care,jmo .

Nope....he was still an active JW follower. This photo was captured on March 23, 2016. He was, apparently, attending a "Jesus' Death" service.



Also, he was scheduled to speak at a JW gathering on April 3, 2016 but canceled due to illness. Source: http://www.eonline.com/ne...ource-says

Regarding the bolded, what song would that be and would you please provide your source? Thanks in advance!

Leopard52 said:

NotACleverName said:

Nope....he was still an active JW follower. This photo was captured on March 23, 2016. He was, apparently, attending a "Jesus' Death" service. Also, he was scheduled to speak at a JW gathering on April 3, 2016 but canceled due to illness. Source: http://www.eonline.com/ne...ource-says Regarding the bolded, what song would that be and would you please provide your source? Thanks in advance!

If that picture was in March of 2016.... where is his FRO??? Can't be.

Because it was not from 2016. It was from back in the 2000's. This pic was posted on this board back then and in the media.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

oliviacamron said: Nope....he was still an active JW follower. This photo was captured on March 23, 2016. He was, apparently, attending a "Jesus' Death" service. Also, he was scheduled to speak at a JW gathering on April 3, 2016 but canceled due to illness. Source: http://www.eonline.com/ne...ource-says Regarding the bolded, what song would that be and would you please provide your source? Thanks in advance!

I've often thought that the JW's stood the most to lose when their faithful congregant P died without a will. Why didn't he provide an income stream, trust, massive gift while he was alive if he so believed in what they were doing? Why no evidence of multi-million dollar gifts? I know about some 50-100K things but come on, the guy was worth hundreds of millions. Such a gift would have funded lots of soul-saving. I think of this most when people go on about how 'charitable' P was...if so, then why not MAJOR bucks to the organization/people closest to his very soul?

If you go back to look at Love For One Another tax docs he gave a lot of money to the JWs while he was alive probably too much.

silentdaisy said:

1Sasha said:

May I please ask this of those who have medical knowledge: if he was having trouble with his liver, would that require a liver transplant, some type of dialysis or similar treatment, or prescription drugs? Keeping in mind that he was a JW, certain medical procedures most of us would undergo would not even be on his radar. Thank you.

Hi Sasha, Olivia was correct that most patients who have liver failure have a swollen abdomen. Other visible signs are jaundiced (yellow) skin and the whites of the eyes also turn yellow. Treatment in the earlier stages is dialysis, but eventually dialysis stops working and a transplant is necessary. Medication can't treat liver disease because the liver is the "filter" for the body. Once the "filter" is damaged medication can't fix it. Theoretically P could have had some liver damage, particularly if he'd been taking large doses of pain medication for many, many years. I wondered myself if he might has been suffering from some degree of liver damage. But if he was in full liver failure he'd have looked very different.

Thank you for your answer.

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

If true, maybe that is why the family doesn't want to release the autopsy report. It might show an impaired liver which would in turn reveal long-term opioid use. If, as a JW, he could not seek treatment, would there be any recourse?

Liver failure causes swelling . My friend just went through it. Her body and especially stomach was swollen because of it. Liver failure in Prince was just an idea someone made up out of thin air. . As far as JWs, Prince didn't appear to be with them anymore. That one song a few years ago he said fuck the congregation then he was hanging with Christians. I don't think any of JWs ever changing wacko doctrine would have kept him from getting proper medical care,jmo .

Long term use of pain pills can cause organ failure even for people with an Rx. If you go back to pics of Prince in the fall of 2015 he looks swollen in the face. If he had liver problems he would have to get off of these drugs ASAP and that might explain the sudden need to try and withdraw in the worst manner possible (cold turkey by weening )

Prince was last seen at the Kingdom Hall in late March and the JWs would not have had a service for him if he was not a member. I suspect he was not has hardcore as before or just to ill and trying to work (WTF) to make it to the meetings in the last weeks of his life.

We need to think that he may have has some underlying illness. 65k in medical expenses is a lot of money and the chefs have already said they were lied to about his health.

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said: Liver failure causes swelling . My friend just went through it. Her body and especially stomach was swollen because of it. Liver failure in Prince was just an idea someone made up out of thin air. . As far as JWs, Prince didn't appear to be with them anymore. That one song a few years ago he said fuck the congregation then he was hanging with Christians. I don't think any of JWs ever changing wacko doctrine would have kept him from getting proper medical care,jmo .

Long term use of pain pills can cause organ failure even for people with an Rx. If you go back to pics of Prince in the fall of 2015 he looks swollen in the face. If he had liver problems he would have to get off of these drugs ASAP and that might explain the sudden need to try and withdraw in the worst manner possible (cold turkey by weening )

Prince was last seen at the Kingdom Hall in late March and the JWs would not have had a service for him if he was not a member. I suspect he was not has hardcore as before or just to ill and trying to work (WTF) to make it to the meetings in the last weeks of his life.

We need to think that he may have has some underlying illness. 65k in medical expenses is a lot of money and the chefs have already said they were lied to about his health.

I'm with you on this.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

NotACleverName said:

My mistake....my apologies for any confusion! This CNN article, http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-witness/, does quote James Lundstrom (religious friend and fellow parishioner of Prince since 2002) who says he did attend an event at the JW Hall on March 23, 2017. This article, http://www.dailymail.co.u...side.html, includes the photo and identifies it as Prince attending a JW event in the summer of 2015. However, that still doesn't match the hair and physique. That's probably why I rarely reference the DM site. Anyway, info indicates he was still a JW at the time of his passing.

The JWs were saying that hoping he had a will that left all his money to them.

There is no way any other JW male would get away with wearing make-up,

eyeliner, glyph's, ulilizing New Age Mysticism, The 3rd Eye, chakras, etc etc.

Both you and I know it would never be tolerated by the elders of the JW

Church if anyone else was doing this.

I believe he was moving away from the JWs the past two years and was

once again seeking answers through other means.

He didnt so much MOVE away from the JW,s He Broadened his perception and became INCLUSIVE rather than exclusive

He was a seeker his whole life, The JW stint taught him that there is freedom in Disicpline,

He aligned himself with GOD to such an extent that he was able to Live the last few years of his life in a non sectarian way, that saw him becoming softer, more loving, kinder and more giving.

He found the Answer long ago

John 13:34-35

34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

NotACleverName said:

My mistake....my apologies for any confusion! This CNN article, http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-witness/, does quote James Lundstrom (religious friend and fellow parishioner of Prince since 2002) who says he did attend an event at the JW Hall on March 23, 2017. This article, http://www.dailymail.co.u...side.html, includes the photo and identifies it as Prince attending a JW event in the summer of 2015. However, that still doesn't match the hair and physique. That's probably why I rarely reference the DM site. Anyway, info indicates he was still a JW at the time of his passing.

The JWs were saying that hoping he had a will that left all his money to them.

There is no way any other JW male would get away with wearing make-up,

eyeliner, glyph's, ulilizing New Age Mysticism, The 3rd Eye, chakras, etc etc.

Both you and I know it would never be tolerated by the elders of the JW

Church if anyone else was doing this.

I believe he was moving away from the JWs the past two years and was

once again seeking answers through other means.

I do not think he went to Kingdom Hall with make up on and in his later years he was not that flamboyant. Remember everybody wears make up in Hollywood.

I know that one of the brothers said he always came to Kindgom Hall in a suit and tie and liked being called Brother Nelson or Roger so he was completly out of Prince mode on Sunday.

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:

Long term use of pain pills can cause organ failure even for people with an Rx. If you go back to pics of Prince in the fall of 2015 he looks swollen in the face. If he had liver problems he would have to get off of these drugs ASAP and that might explain the sudden need to try and withdraw in the worst manner possible (cold turkey by weening )

Prince was last seen at the Kingdom Hall in late March and the JWs would not have had a service for him if he was not a member. I suspect he was not has hardcore as before or just to ill and trying to work (WTF) to make it to the meetings in the last weeks of his life.

We need to think that he may have has some underlying illness. 65k in medical expenses is a lot of money and the chefs have already said they were lied to about his health.

Yes and yes. He actually had the "chipmunk cheeks" of his youth in 2014 as well during the U.K. Tour. He looked much different then, than he did in 2016. https://youtu.be/jhJWDtPL9Ew I believe liver issues is a very real possibility and could 'splain those medical bills. 😢 This would also explain Tyka and others who knew him well not being so surprised when getting the call that he had passed on. As an aside, it is possible that Prince carried a lot of needless shame for having these problems, and therefore didn't want many people too close to him. [Edited 5/8/17 4:59am]

I don't know if this has any relevance or not, but in 2013(?) there was a law that was passed in which all opiates containing acetaminophen had to put no more than 325 mg per pill of acetaminophen. Prior to that law being passed, there were as high as 825 mg of acetaminophen that could be manufactured(if not more) into one pill, be it Percocet, Lortab, etc.. This law was passed to lessen the damage to the liver of those needing to take these medications-hence the discontinuance of the actual pills thought to be Watson that contained the fentanyl. Those pills were discontinued for that reason, the level of acetaminophen was too high and no longer met the minimum allowance of 325 mg. My thoughts on this is if Prince was taking prescribed meds (possibly on and off during his career), that if he did suffer liver damage, it was for this reason, prior to the law being passed to reduce acetamenophen levels.

That is some good research. Incredible, isn't it? Thank you.