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1Sasha said: You know that every medical provider he saw has spent the last year covering their you-know-whats in order to answer any investigator's question, or any lawyer's question. Yup! And the powers that be need to really get on that - a LOT harder. In fact, it's a year later and it's RIDICULOUS that this whole thing has moved at the snail's pace it has. A YEAR??? Come on! | |
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Oh. Another thought I just had that I want to share:
I think Prince might've not sought help sooner not only because of privacy, but because he was afraid to be controlled by other people, i.e. anyone at a treatment center. He KNEW what people are like even tho he loved them, and he didn't want anyone having that much power over him. It's a very scary thing to go somewhere not knowing if the people there are even healthy enough themSELVES to have control...over your every move. And being in an inferior position while very sick and detoxing must've been a scary idea. [Edited 5/5/17 12:04pm] | |
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: moonsister said: The Percocets he had at his home were in a Rx bottle for vitamin D with Kirk's name on it. These may have been illicit drugs, not prescribed, just like the illicit Vicodins found in at least two places in his home. I still think he od'd on the 14th on the Percocet Kirk was prescribed that very day. I'm only saying this because I don't think he committed suicide. How could he have known which pill contained fentanyl if the cops couldn't even tell? And there was at least one fentanyl laced pill marked as a Vicodin in with all the other pills found, but they found it through testing, they couldn't tell just by looking at it. So he od'd on Percocet a week ago, would he have been more inclined to then take another Percocet? I don't think so, so he took a Vicodin instead and got poisoned. But, yes, I think he was trying very hard to get off the drugs, but couldn't do it by himself.
[Edited 5/4/17 22:12pm] I agree with the bolded but I think he was in control of his meds but took or was given the wrong pills both on the plane and on the 20th. Prince had no idea the pills were not legit. This is also the reasoning behind why I don't think he was choosing to end his life....he could have did that by taking a bottle full not by being what appears cautious with meds. That's a good point, PD. [Edited 5/5/17 11:05am] | |
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anangellooksdown said: PurpleDiamonds1 said: I agree with the bolded but I think he was in control of his meds but took or was given the wrong pills both on the plane and on the 20th. Prince had no idea the pills were not legit. This is also the reasoning behind why I don't think he was choosing to end his life....he could have did that by taking a bottle full not by being what appears cautious with meds. That's a good point, PD. [Edited 5/5/17 11:05am] But on the plane on the 14th Kirk had a legit bottle of Percocet that had been prescribed for him by Dr S. that very day. Kirk told the medics, after the plane made the emergency landing, that Prince had od'd "probably on Percocet". Dr S admitted that he had prescribed the Percocet in Kirk's name but knew the Percocet was really for Prince. Dr S has now changed his story on this. We need to face reality about the dangers of these opioids and stop denying that Prince was addicted and was using his friends like Kirk to get drugs. He was human just like us and got caught up in this epidemic. A comment above mentions a new form of Fentanyl so things will probably get worse and could affect our own families. My opinion on the treatment he refused in Moline was setting up a long term treatment plan in a withdrawal clinic where it would have been impossible to maintain his privacy in a "private room". Nothing else makes sense, especially when PRINCE LOOKED VERY SICK so someone copping an attitude with him about wanting a private room in a regular hospital seems far fetched. [Edited 5/5/17 12:17pm] | |
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Correct, in medical slang, I think it's called a "banna pack" (i.e.- potassium, electrolytes,etc.) | |
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anangellooksdown said: PurpleDiamonds1 said: To the bolded above, I think he was wanting to know what went wrong on the plane and died before he found out... We now know those pills from the plane were Percocet in KJs name it may have been possible Prince was not aware of what he took or was given and he was about to find out about either Kirk or someone else was up to no good. Could be, although I feel it's more likely he knew what happened in Moline given the save shot, and was in the hospital the day before his passing to receive fluids for dehydration (that's what's been reported) due to detoxing at home. Edit: Add, to receive nutrients as well because he wasn't eating. [Edited 5/5/17 10:47am] Who knows...but why go to dr S for tests if he knew exactly what happened? He would not go to be told he ODed. Wonder if he was covering for KJ in Moline and did not need to remain there for that reason. He did go in to receive fluids, I had not read on the warrant it was due to detoxing...but detoxing can also be a cleanse not just drug related. | |
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So, just a bit of clarification from an RN who's worked in hospital systems for the past 20 years ... I highly doubt that Prince would be refused a private room. Every hospital I've ever worked in has a room set aside for VIP's which is never given to another patient, just in case. For example, in Portland, Oregon, a bed is kept open in case one of the Trailblazers is injured. My understanding is that every hospital keeps at least one bed open for unforseen emergencies where a head of state may need a bed, or any other type of VIP. I think this may have been the explanation given to the public for why he left AMA, but it's highly unlikely that a private room wouldn't have been made available for him.
This isn't to speculate that the real reason he left AMA is something sinister, it could be something as simple as feeling well enough, and being told by the doctor that he was medically stable enough, but that the hospital wanted to keep him overnight for observation (very common in a situation where a patient's future well-being is in question, but the immediate cause that brought them to the hospital in the first place is "under control" for now). Upon hearing that type of information from the doctor, many patients interpret that as "I'm good to go" and don't really understand why it's advisable to stay.
From everything that's been reported about Prince liking to control his environment, it makes perfect sense to me to imagine that he'd want to leave AMA to get care back in Minnesota, or arrange for treatment in a situation he could have more control over. | |
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So on the plane, Prince thought he was taking the Percocets KJ was prescribed that day, but the pills were switched and he was poisened . He was waiting for the lab results of what he had been poisened with on the plane but he was poisened again and died before he got results. Mislabeled switched pills both times, on plane then on the 20th. Prince was being careful after the plane poisening but the pills were marked Watson so Prince really thought those were the pills KJ just picked up from the pharmacy. This thoery makes sense. It makes sense because an attempt on his life just happened on the plane and his pills switched intentionally. I don't think the issue with the conflicts he was having with wb about the PR release should be down played. P agreed to the PR release thing to get his masters but something when wrong with that deal. There are signs in P lyrics and the Simpsons episode warning him. I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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Aliens have landed and they can't believe what they are reading The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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silentdaisy said:
So, just a bit of clarification from an RN who's worked in hospital systems for the past 20 years ... I highly doubt that Prince would be refused a private room. Every hospital I've ever worked in has a room set aside for VIP's which is never given to another patient, just in case. For example, in Portland, Oregon, a bed is kept open in case one of the Trailblazers is injured. My understanding is that every hospital keeps at least one bed open for unforseen emergencies where a head of state may need a bed, or any other type of VIP. I think this may have been the explanation given to the public for why he left AMA, but it's highly unlikely that a private room wouldn't have been made available for him.
This isn't to speculate that the real reason he left AMA is something sinister, it could be something as simple as feeling well enough, and being told by the doctor that he was medically stable enough, but that the hospital wanted to keep him overnight for observation (very common in a situation where a patient's future well-being is in question, but the immediate cause that brought them to the hospital in the first place is "under control" for now). Upon hearing that type of information from the doctor, many patients interpret that as "I'm good to go" and don't really understand why it's advisable to stay.
From everything that's been reported about Prince liking to control his environment, it makes perfect sense to me to imagine that he'd want to leave AMA to get care back in Minnesota, or arrange for treatment in a situation he could have more control over. I agree that PTs often leave before the time frame suggested, but many early reports said he was refused a private room. In fact that was the word during the first few weeks. I remember being surprised and very upset that this wasn't given the serious investigating it needed. | |
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anangellooksdown said: silentdaisy said:
So, just a bit of clarification from an RN who's worked in hospital systems for the past 20 years ... I highly doubt that Prince would be refused a private room. Every hospital I've ever worked in has a room set aside for VIP's which is never given to another patient, just in case. For example, in Portland, Oregon, a bed is kept open in case one of the Trailblazers is injured. My understanding is that every hospital keeps at least one bed open for unforseen emergencies where a head of state may need a bed, or any other type of VIP. I think this may have been the explanation given to the public for why he left AMA, but it's highly unlikely that a private room wouldn't have been made available for him.
This isn't to speculate that the real reason he left AMA is something sinister, it could be something as simple as feeling well enough, and being told by the doctor that he was medically stable enough, but that the hospital wanted to keep him overnight for observation (very common in a situation where a patient's future well-being is in question, but the immediate cause that brought them to the hospital in the first place is "under control" for now). Upon hearing that type of information from the doctor, many patients interpret that as "I'm good to go" and don't really understand why it's advisable to stay.
From everything that's been reported about Prince liking to control his environment, it makes perfect sense to me to imagine that he'd want to leave AMA to get care back in Minnesota, or arrange for treatment in a situation he could have more control over. I agree that PTs often leave before the time frame suggested, but many early reports said he was refused a private room. In fact that was the word during the first few weeks. I remember being surprised and very upset that this wasn't given the serious investigating it needed. If there is any truth to this private room business i hope that hospital is somehow punished for their actions. Its unconscionable that any healthcare facility would deny a patient's request for privacy in the form of a private room. Especially a patient who has very valid concerns about privacy. I also work for a smaller regional outstate hospital and i am 100% certain our organization would never deny such a request. Even if ww didn't have a designated private room available we would have found a way to accomodate the patient. There are always options if you are truly in the business of taking care of the people who come thru your door seeking medical intervention. I'm deeply ashamed of anyone associated with such a so-called institution tasked with caring for the sick and injured. I would hope his family demanded a thorough investigation into any claims he was denied private accomodations. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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This is probably the wrong place to post this, but i got so excited when i read this article today i had to share it. Finally there is a legitimate study that addresses the misuse of opiates to treat chronic pain, and perhaps pain in general. The doctor behind this study has spent her entire career researching and studying the use of opiates in medicine. We may finally be at a turning point in this country and how healthcare providers use opioid medications in their practices. It's great news really. But there is one very important aspect not addressed and that is what do we do with the thousands of patients already hooked on these drugs? Its not like they can all just be cut off easey peasey. This study may go a long way in preventing additional people addicted to and/or dependent upon these drugs, but it doesnt do anything for those who the study comes out too late for. m.startribune.com/minneapolis-va-study-challenges-wide-use-of-opioids/421327343/ It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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anangellooksdown said: silentdaisy said:
So, just a bit of clarification from an RN who's worked in hospital systems for the past 20 years ... I highly doubt that Prince would be refused a private room. Every hospital I've ever worked in has a room set aside for VIP's which is never given to another patient, just in case. For example, in Portland, Oregon, a bed is kept open in case one of the Trailblazers is injured. My understanding is that every hospital keeps at least one bed open for unforseen emergencies where a head of state may need a bed, or any other type of VIP. I think this may have been the explanation given to the public for why he left AMA, but it's highly unlikely that a private room wouldn't have been made available for him.
This isn't to speculate that the real reason he left AMA is something sinister, it could be something as simple as feeling well enough, and being told by the doctor that he was medically stable enough, but that the hospital wanted to keep him overnight for observation (very common in a situation where a patient's future well-being is in question, but the immediate cause that brought them to the hospital in the first place is "under control" for now). Upon hearing that type of information from the doctor, many patients interpret that as "I'm good to go" and don't really understand why it's advisable to stay.
From everything that's been reported about Prince liking to control his environment, it makes perfect sense to me to imagine that he'd want to leave AMA to get care back in Minnesota, or arrange for treatment in a situation he could have more control over. I agree that PTs often leave before the time frame suggested, but many early reports said he was refused a private room. In fact that was the word during the first few weeks. I remember being surprised and very upset that this wasn't given the serious investigating it needed. --' I think this private room crap was made up by TMZ. | |
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sonshine said: anangellooksdown said: I agree that PTs often leave before the time frame suggested, but many early reports said he was refused a private room. In fact that was the word during the first few weeks. I remember being surprised and very upset that this wasn't given the serious investigating it needed. If there is any truth to this private room business i hope that hospital is somehow punished for their actions. Its unconscionable that any healthcare facility would deny a patient's request for privacy in the form of a private room. Especially a patient who has very valid concerns about privacy. I also work for a smaller regional outstate hospital and i am 100% certain our organization would never deny such a request. Even if ww didn't have a designated private room available we would have found a way to accomodate the patient. There are always options if you are truly in the business of taking care of the people who come thru your door seeking medical intervention. I'm deeply ashamed of anyone associated with such a so-called institution tasked with caring for the sick and injured. I would hope his family demanded a thorough investigation into any claims he was denied private accomodations. Yes, Sonshine. I remember feeling last April like Prince wanted me to keep on this, to keep speaking about it. I don't care how that sounds to anyone either. | |
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laurarichardson said: anangellooksdown said: I agree that PTs often leave before the time frame suggested, but many early reports said he was refused a private room. In fact that was the word during the first few weeks. I remember being surprised and very upset that this wasn't given the serious investigating it needed. --' I think this private room crap was made up by TMZ. I would like to know the truth about this, because it felt right to me, as though it was the truth. And all kinds of sources were reporting it, and I know what my experiences have been with many people in the medical profession when you need something from them. No, I'm not projecting my life into Prince's; this report felt very true to me when I heard it. [Edited 5/6/17 6:17am] | |
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I can remember when my mother was rushed back to the hospital on her last day. They (the hospital staff) found a private room for our family to be in as she passed away. And the hospital was packed at that time. I don't believe the private room story for a second. I just think he wasn't going to stay and that was that. | |
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1Sasha said: This has nothing to do with the Fentanyl Prince ingested, but there is a new, designer Fentanyl version: Furanyl Fentanyl, which is deadly to the touch. I was reading about it this morning.  devilsI asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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Go right ahead and keep this stupid shit up as you continually do looking for attention. If you think for one minute anyone is paying any significant attention to this, you really are delusional.
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Mumio said:
Go right ahead and keep this stupid shit up as you continually do looking for attention. If you think for one minute anyone is paying any significant attention to this, you really are delusional.
Was kinda funny. . . . | |
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I haven't read the whole thread but someone a long time ago suggested the possibiliity that Prince was suffering from liver failure, which is a side effect of long term opioid abuse. That makes the most sense to me and would explain things like his sudden deterioration appearance wise, the "test results", the medical bills, etc. [Edited 5/7/17 6:57am] | |
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Word was that Prince never/rarely used the elevator. | |
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Thanks for bringing this up again. The liver impairment so obviously pulls many disturbing threads/questions together. Sad but true. | |
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May I please ask this of those who have medical knowledge: if he was having trouble with his liver, would that require a liver transplant, some type of dialysis or similar treatment, or prescription drugs? Keeping in mind that he was a JW, certain medical procedures most of us would undergo would not even be on his radar. Thank you. | |
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herb4 said:
Word was that Prince never/rarely used the elevator. I thought thy elavator went to the second floor where his living quarters were located. Would it not make sense to go on the direction of his living quarters to look for him? | |
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herb4 said: I haven't read the whole thread but someone a long time ago suggested the possibiliity that Prince was suffering from liver failure, which is a side effect of long term opioid abuse. That makes the most sense to me and would explain things like his sudden deterioration appearance wise, the "test results", the medical bills, etc. [Edited 5/7/17 6:57am] -/Not really because she said she was not sure. I really wish she could have said something that would help but she did not say anything helpful other then acknowledging he complained about migraine headaches. | |
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laurarichardson said: herb4 said: I haven't read the whole thread but someone a long time ago suggested the possibiliity that Prince was suffering from liver failure, which is a side effect of long term opioid abuse. That makes the most sense to me and would explain things like his sudden deterioration appearance wise, the "test results", the medical bills, etc. [Edited 5/7/17 6:57am] -/Not really because she said she was not sure. I really wish she could have said something that would help but she did not say anything helpful other then acknowledging he complained about migraine headaches. Then there's the time he od'd on wine and "aspirin", but no, she does not have a videotape shucky darn. I don't think we need the book to figure out the big picture here, it would just be nice to know more of the details, instead we get sister with the crazy stories of death predictions. | |
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A few years ago I had painful surgery and the doc only gave me a modest amount of post op opoids. He never even referenced addiction but I remember him saying he didn't want to risk 'blowing my liver out.'
Bless you for posing this question in such a comprehensive and compassionate way. I sense the picture pulling into focus and that we are closer to the answers we long for...and dread. | |
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