laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

My response was to ISLIJAG, where the fuck did that concern you?

Because this is an open message board.

Well, looks like jumping to whatever conclusion you "fathomed" in your head, turned around and bit you in the ass...stay out of my conversation, if I'm not directly speaking to you!

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is a difference between State Troopers, City Police, and Sheriff Deputies.

Usually you only need a high school diploma to apply to City Police Departments,

and the Sheriff Department.

You go through rigorous training and education at the Police Academy after being accepted.

Before you can become a Detective you usually have to have so many years under your

belt as a police officer, and then additional training to become a Detective.

We could be here all day because it varies across the country. One of the things that has been discussed about police misconduct is the lack of education and training. This issue has been discussed repeatedly.

I also think more education is needed than 60 credits. I also know people in law enforcement who have bachelor’s degrees.

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benni said:

sablepom said:

cloveringold85 said: All positive and onward and upward most of the time:) yes I do have a pom! Ha ha.

Shh, I have a red sable pom.

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Awww, CUTE!!

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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We had a big discussion about chemcial warfare here a while back. I posted links about the people who were involved with the research and production of Fentanyl. I did find one site that had a wealth of information, but I was criticized here for posting it and was told that it had no validity. People can believe it or not.

Back to the Russians a.K.a. wb killing Prince, it's a Very odd thing ,or maybe not odd at all, that today ,available for purchase in apple iTunes, is Electric Intercourse but available only in RUSSIA! [Edited 4/27/17 18:40pm]

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

- It is but not to some of these folks. La la city on this board.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any stranger.... No wonder the dates on warrants are not adding up to when things took place This is so strange and no one seems to be bringing this up? If I was Ps family member this would be priority over all else.

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Have you read the "Getting 2 the Truth" FB page? Lots of stuff on there!

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

What are you thanking her for.? You do not even know what the hell you are talking about as usual.

You know what Sheriffs do in the Washington Metropolitian area?

They evict people and pick up fugitives. Not really all that brain draining. When police are dealing with much more complex matters that often result in death and destruction. With the lawsuits following because someone has a high school diploma.

Speak on what you know.

Oh my... Detectives are trained. They just don't graduate from the academy and become detectives. They utilize training and on the job experience (years not months). Even if PP was "compromised", in my personal opinion, and I am not LE, never have been, the compromise/contamination is at most minimal.

I understand many defending Prince's honor and character. I get it. At one time, in my eyes, he could do no wrong. He is human. He had flaws/issues, whatever you want to call it. But, in my opinion, Prince can not be excused. His legacy will not be tarnished.

It doesn't matter if he was addicted or had a dependency. It doesn't matter why he took pain pills. The reality is, Prince od on illegal pills. I am supportive of the investigation on who and how the illegal pills were obtained.

I was shocked at the information that has been released. I would never have expected Prince to have addiction/dependency on pain meds. All it shows to me, no one is above this epidemic. It does not lessen his work, legacy or him as a person. It is tragic and sad.

These are my opinions. I am not forcing them on anyone. I believe the evidence is there. I use to want to believe there was some underlying medical condition, but the more that is released/leaked and the more I read, the less likely I believe it.

I am not going to criticize the LE and invesitgators. Who am I to tell them their jobs? I would not want someone without any accounting experience telling me how to balance my clients books. There is a difference in trying to determine what happened and criticizing everyone and there actions. It is almost to the point of getting old and making me want to withdraw from the negativity on here.

I respect everyone's take on what is going on and have been respectful to those who engage in discussions. As time goes on, more people will talk. The Prince image we have in our head, from him being mysterious and silent, may not be the same Prince image. I think we are beginning to see a little of that. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the ramble.

I agree with you Nelp. And I really think that people are starting to talk.

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

Oh I absolutely agree that police make mistakes. They even said on the warrant for the laptop that they neglected to seize it on April 21 with the other stuff. Did I say somewhere that the police never makes mistakes? I don't remember saying thay anywhere.

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The Carver County police are people and people make errors all the time (don't you?) but there's a difference between a small, routine error and something that's actually impacts the case. I do stand by my assessment that the info we have from the warrants and other reporting we have access to doesn't show to me a pattern of errors from the CCSO that would affect the investigation.

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But, like everyone else on this board, I'm not an professional investigator so I try to have some humility when evaluating the process of people who ARE pros. I try to actually do some research into these things rather than jump to conclusions that other people are incompetent at their jobs.

laurarichardson said:

They had an expert come in from Virgina and you can get a tech from Geek Squad or some college freshman to do forensics on a laptop but at least you admit police made a mistake. and someone on this board knows how to read and figure things out without being a reporter. Remember this entire conversation got started based on what came out of the Sheriff's own mouth.

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Dear Disch,

Thank you for continuing to be a voice of reason on this site. I appreciate a studied examination of the facts, reputable sources of information, and professionals doing their jobs.

Sincerely, bilbolives

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It was available in Russia first, before it was available for download anywhere else. I have it downloaded now. Different version from the live at First are but it's still good. So I paid wb my $40. for the deluxe Purple Rain edition . My afterthought, is this why Prince died? ( or one of the reasons they killed him). .... it's okay, they can have all the money in the world . God will bring judgement upon them

Prince went into the deal with them because he wanted to so no reason for anyone at WB to want to harm him. Remember WB is owned by a private equity group. It has nothing to do with the old company.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Prince went into the deal with them because he wanted to so no reason for anyone at WB to want to harm him. Remember WB is owned by a private equity group. It has nothing to do with the old company.

precioux said:

prettyinpink6u said:

precioux said:

Oh no...I'm not trying to imply that P was not fighting for his life by any means, nor was he "trying to OD".I will look up the warrant. It was (I believe) the medical personnel that stated P left asap, that's not JH's words from the warrant(I don't think), it just shed light that he chose to leave after he was stabilized, that's all-which contradicts JH's interview..I'm going look before I say anything else on it..

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What about HIPPA or is it HIPAA laws? Either way I don't think it would allow his medical information to be released. If they were part of a warrant I would think it would have to be detacted.

prettyinpink6u said:

precioux said:

Oh no...I'm not trying to imply that P was not fighting for his life by any means, nor was he "trying to OD".I will look up the warrant. It was (I believe) the medical personnel that stated P left asap, that's not JH's words from the warrant(I don't think), it just shed light that he chose to leave after he was stabilized, that's all-which contradicts JH's interview..I'm going look before I say anything else on it..

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P did not leave asap. He was at the hospital for 8 - 9 hours. According to the search warrant, he did refuse treatment for the OD - whatever that means.

TopazGirl said:

tmo1965 said:

prettyinpink6u said:

precioux said:

P did not leave asap. He was at the hospital for 8 - 9 hours. According to the search warrant, he did refuse treatment for the OD - whatever that means.

What I was referring to was JH's comment in her interview in which she emphatically stated that P "did all the Dr asked him to"...which, according to the warrant is untrue, since he left AMA (against medical advice). I'm assuming from the conversation that occured at the original time of my post was that P possibly only stayed until the (2?)Narcan shots wore off, refused medical treatment and left.(Someone posted the effects of a narcan shot right after my post and that you pretty much have to wait it out for the effects to subside...taking a guess here as to why P stayed, yet refused treatment) I'm not stating anything negative, only what I read in the warrant and my observation that the warrant did not back up JH's comment.

precioux said:

tmo1965 said:

P did not leave asap. He was at the hospital for 8 - 9 hours. According to the search warrant, he did refuse treatment for the OD - whatever that means.

What I was referring to was JH's comment in her interview in which she emphatically stated that P "did all the Dr asked him to"...which, according to the warrant is untrue, since he left AMA (against medical advice). I'm assuming from the conversation that occured at the original time of my post was that P possibly only stayed until the (2?)Narcan shots wore off, refused medical treatment and left.(Someone posted the effects of a narcan shot right after my post and that you pretty much have to wait it out for the effects to subside...taking a guess here as to why P stayed, yet refused treatment) I'm not stating anything negative, only what I read in the warrant and my observation that the warrant did not back up JH's comment.

I do not remember the warrent giving the time period that he stayed at the hospital. It would be easy to find out when the plane left Moline. Judith said they left at noon and since we now know he had gone to Dr. S for treatment for withdrawals on the 7th he probaly lead the doctors in Moline as well as Judith to belive he was going to go back and see Dr. S.

He had already told the promoter in Atlanta that he was going to go back and see his doctor and to hold off on annoucing additional shows. Oh that promoter also said he was complaining of stomach pain when he left the stage but Judith said they were eating pasta on the plane.

Something eles that does not make sense.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

TopazGirl said:

Right, I agree, NotACleverName. Andrew and his father had nothing to do with Prince's death. Prince was already gone before Andrew arrived. Andrew did not touch, treat, or force Prince to take pills. How Andrew got there, why, and what he brought with him is void because he did not treat Prince or even speak to the man. Any actions by Andrew Kornfeld has no bearing on why or how Prince died, so no, he did nothing wrong. Additionally, if Dr. Kornfeld doesn't have a good reputation (I did not say this, however, some are pointing this out), this is also void because neither he or Andrew gave treatment to Prince. There is no reason to call into question Dr. K's credibility as an addiction specialist and apply it to these arguments, in my opinionated.

Did Dr K son really say that the meds he brought were his? If so....like that makes no sense. The medication he came with are specifically used for withdrawals from opioid. Why would this man have a personal prescription for this medication?

It does not make any sense however, I do not think he had anything to do with P's death. I do know that he broke Federal laws bringing those drugs and since he never administered them he is no good samaritian.

We still do not know who was suppose to give P those drugs if Dr. S could not and why they could not have just had Prince go to a doctor in Minneasota to get what he needed under HIPPA the doctor would not have been talking to talk the media and he could have had everything done under an assumed name which I am sure he had done in the past.

I am still not sure he knew Andrew was coming. I think he was expecting a vist from Dr. S with those test results which would have done no good since he had taken more drugs other than what the doctor prescribed the day before. It does not make sense that he had Kirk's pain killers in his bags which were real and still took the mislabled pill after having his test the day before.

If he knew Kirk had the real stuff why keep taking the mislabled pills. In a ddition, Romero the other body guard said on CNN that up until that week when he was given the week off he packed P's bags and never saw any drugs.

Once again what was going on the weeks from th 7th to the 21st? Why are associated being uncoooporative with the police? Why were they texting and calling people while he was laying in the floor going into rigor motis? I would have been balled up in the fetal position crying if I saw that not talking on the phone. Why did Tyka say she got a call saying " He is gone"

To many things just do not make sense and I cannot understand why people who know things are not being forthcoming to the authorities.

Personally, I think people are not talking because they are concerned about the legal ramifications. Whatever those ramifications might be, they have lawyered up. You bet they knew what was going on. Even JH said that she discussed with him getting help while they were in the Moline hospital. If nothing was going on, why would he need help to address his problem? I do not believe he knew Andrew was coming. And someone from California was used to keep it out of the media; if he went into local treatment, it would have been all over the Strib.

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1Sasha said:

Personally, I think people are not talking because they are concerned about the legal ramifications. Whatever those ramifications might be, they have lawyered up. You bet they knew what was going on. Even JH said that she discussed with him getting help while they were in the Moline hospital. If nothing was going on, why would he need help to address his problem? I do not believe he knew Andrew was coming. And someone from California was used to keep it out of the media; if he went into local treatment, it would have been all over the Strib.

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I'm not sure if I agree...to me it seems as though Prince may have known he was coming, hence the "shady" and "under the table" procurement and bringing of "meds from AK's medicine cabinet". This place (recovery without walls)was an "outpatient" facility...P was not going to be an outpatient in Cali, also I think, if P had lived, this would've been a way for Prince to withdraw at home with someone there (?) without anyone else knowing. And being AK's dad was a doctor and not himself, maybe the media would have been less likely to pick up on it? Thoughts?

precioux said:

1Sasha said:

Personally, I think people are not talking because they are concerned about the legal ramifications. Whatever those ramifications might be, they have lawyered up. You bet they knew what was going on. Even JH said that she discussed with him getting help while they were in the Moline hospital. If nothing was going on, why would he need help to address his problem? I do not believe he knew Andrew was coming. And someone from California was used to keep it out of the media; if he went into local treatment, it would have been all over the Strib.

[Edited 5/1/17 12:30pm]

I'm not sure if I agree...to me it seems as though Prince may have known he was coming, hence the "shady" and "under the table" procurement and bringing of "meds from AK's medicine cabinet". This place (recovery without walls)was an "outpatient" facility...P was not going to be an outpatient in Cali, also I think, if P had lived, this would've been a way for Prince to withdraw at home with someone there (?) without anyone else knowing. And being AK's dad was a doctor and not himself, maybe the media would have been less likely to pick up on it? Thoughts?

Okay but if he had a meeting with Andrew at 9:00 way does it take 45 minutes to find him. He was in the elavator that goes to his living quarters. You would think after 15 or 20 mins to check on him being as he was ill.

The time lag just seems weird to me but after watching Kirk on CBS he seems like he is just not that bright. So maybe he just sat there with Andrew for 30 minutes or so

Remember the brochure for the Kornfeld facility? Prince ODs a week before and that brochure shows up? Anything in that paper could have been found online. I still think that was brought by Andrew since the call to Kornfeld was on the 20th. AK got there, and I'm with LR: 40+ minutes to find Prince. WTF? And the mystery MN doctor? None of it adds up. At least to me.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

I'm not sure if I agree...to me it seems as though Prince may have known he was coming, hence the "shady" and "under the table" procurement and bringing of "meds from AK's medicine cabinet". This place (recovery without walls)was an "outpatient" facility...P was not going to be an outpatient in Cali, also I think, if P had lived, this would've been a way for Prince to withdraw at home with someone there (?) without anyone else knowing. And being AK's dad was a doctor and not himself, maybe the media would have been less likely to pick up on it? Thoughts?

Okay but if he had a meeting with Andrew at 9:00 way does it take 45 minutes to find him. He was in the elavator that goes to his living quarters. You would think after 15 or 20 mins to check on him being as he was ill.

The time lag just seems weird to me but after watching Kirk on CBS he seems like he is just not that bright. So maybe he just sat there with Andrew for 30 minutes or so

Good point. Maybe AK was waiting for him?? I also agree with the other post as well...nothing adds up. My thought on the brochure was that AK brought it with him and laid it down. Don't even get me started on KJ...it really ticked me off that he was immediately on his phone texting and calling. Another thing about KJ, if my brother had gotten a script in someone else's name (KJ) and then OD'd (supposedly) on that script, then DIED a week later, no way in hell that person would still be "pucnching a time clock" (like you said,LR) and galavanting around PP! And Dr. S has not been sanctioned because no one has "reported" him (as per an online article I posted before)....you'd better bet if that was the case, and that was MY blood, I would've reported Dr.S...sorry to go off on a rant...

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

Okay but if he had a meeting with Andrew at 9:00 way does it take 45 minutes to find him. He was in the elavator that goes to his living quarters. You would think after 15 or 20 mins to check on him being as he was ill.

The time lag just seems weird to me but after watching Kirk on CBS he seems like he is just not that bright. So maybe he just sat there with Andrew for 30 minutes or so

Good point. Maybe AK was waiting for him?? I also agree with the other post as well...nothing adds up. My thought on the brochure was that AK brought it with him and laid it down. Don't even get me started on KJ...it really ticked me off that he was immediately on his phone texting and calling. Another thing about KJ, if my brother had gotten a script in someone else's name (KJ) and then OD'd (supposedly) on that script, then DIED a week later, no way in hell that person would still be "pucnching a time clock" (like you said,LR) and galavanting around PP! And Dr. S has not been sanctioned because no one has "reported" him (as per an online article I posted before)....you'd better bet if that was the case, and that was MY blood, I would've reported Dr.S...sorry to go off on a rant...

They were probably waiting for Prince to wake up, knowing he woke up later in the day, and were discussing ways of convincing Prince that he needed to do rehab.

Kirk might have called Tyka and Omar, to let them know imeediately what had just happened. Does not seem strange to me.

The family does not seem to attribute some form of blame to Kirk, (he is still around)and that's something I find odd. Even though they knew Prince called all the shots and that Kirk had to do what Prince told him to (even if that meant using his name to procure medication, perhaps), why were/are they ok with Kirk supposedly being an enabler, a yes man? Especially Tyka, who herself has overcome an addiction thanks to her brother? Unless Kirk told Prince he would not get him any more medication under his own name and that led Prince to buy it off illegally...

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precioux said:

MMJas said:

MMJas said: