I do not think the scene was contaminated. I believe the bulk of evidence (aside from the laptop) was collected and preserved. Once the ME declared fentanyl, then the DEA was contacted and they did their own "search". But by then, the pills had been secured. The DEA search could have been to get a lay out of PP.

Out of curiousiy, was the lawyer in the search warrant a Bremer Trust lawyer?

It was a Bremer Trust lawyer who turned the laptop over.

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

sablepom said:

laurarichardson said:

sablepom said:

cloveringold85 said:

Sablepom: I'm so sorry to hear about your health struggles. I hope you are on the path of recovery. One day at a time is how I deal with things lately. Best wishes!

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BTW, I could not help but notice your screen name "Sablepom". Do you have a Pomeranian? I love dogs!!

All positive and onward and upward most of the time:) yes I do have a pom! Ha ha.

Shh, I have a red sable pom.

cloveringold85 said:

mnfriend said:

oliviacamron said:

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

- It is but not to some of these folks. La la city on this board.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any stranger.... No wonder the dates on warrants are not adding up to when things took place This is so strange and no one seems to be bringing this up? If I was Ps family member this would be priority over all else.

huh?

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

sablepom said:

Here in New Hampshire we are in the top 5 states for opiod overdoses and the state recently moved to treat overdoses as CRIME SCENES. The thought being, that homicide law enforcement brings unique protocol and approaches for investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/24/nh-treats-overdoses-as-crime-scenes-targets-drug-dealers.html

As more time goes by, and less information given. I fear that any valuable lessons from Prince's passing, will never be able to help the ongoing opiod suffering.

I believe he would have wanted to help.

JANEMT0413 said:

Here in New Hampshire we are in the top 5 states for opiod overdoses and the state recently moved to treat overdoses as CRIME SCENES. The thought being, that homicide law enforcement brings unique protocol and approaches for investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/24/nh-treats-overdoses-as-crime-scenes-targets-drug-dealers.html

As more time goes by, and less information given. I fear that any valuable lessons from Prince's passing, will never be able to help the ongoing opiod suffering.

I believe he would have wanted to help.

It will blow up big time....

Dont worry Truth always rises to the top

Might take time...

at the right time...

but there is no such thing as time

so

meanwhile

Live 4 Love

The contents of his email accounts were covered in separate warrants/orders to Google (these documents: http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-22.pdf , http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-21.pdf ). I don't think investigators were relying on the physical laptop for his email records.

laurarichardson said:

sablepom said:

From a practice perspective Purple Diamonds1 no that's not odd he would be retained by Bremner for his specific expertise. Just as, if you look at all the legal fees in the court records you will see other law firms fees ( and other experts/services) for work they completed on behalf of Bremner. Bremner is a financial institution. Darn right as the administrator I'd want a criminal law specialist over at Paisley for a warrant.

--I meant it is odd that some people think that Hansen did not work for Breamer. Why else would he be the one turning over the computer to the the police. Now the computer was moved from P's living quarters and it does say in the warrant that e-mail was his primary means of communicating. The laptop should have been confiscated on the 21st.

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disch said:

They did do a forensic exam on the laptop. When the police filed the results of laptop warrant on May 6, the report notes "forensic computer examination" and the warrant specifies they planned "To have the above laptop/computers examined by a qualified forensic computer examiner for all data contained on either hard drives or removable media, including but not limited to: existing and deleted files." Unless a serious computer expert tampered with the laptop prior to its seizure, a professional forensic examination would have found pretty much anything.

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Police make mistakes all the time, and the 4-day delay in seizing the laptop was probably a mistake, but it was likely a pretty inconsequential one. The investigators in this case may have made bigger mistakes but we don't have access to any evidence those.

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

The contents of his email accounts were covered in separate warrants/orders to Google (these documents: http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-22.pdf , http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-21.pdf ). I don't think investigators were relying on the physical laptop for his email records.

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You still can do foresics on the laptop and it should have been confiscated that day. I realize that no matter what anyone has to say you are going to defend the police despite the fact that I have said I do not feel anything was done in a malicious manner. Some people really do think that cops are in capable of making errors

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They had an expert come in from Virgina and you can get a tech from Geek Squad or some college freshman to do forensics on a laptop but at least you admit police made a mistake. and someone on this board knows how to read and figure things out without being a reporter. Remember this entire conversation got started based on what came out of the Sheriff's own mouth.

disch said:

They did do a forensic exam on the laptop. When the police filed the results of laptop warrant on May 6, the report notes "forensic computer examination" and the warrant specifies they planned "To have the above laptop/computers examined by a qualified forensic computer examiner for all data contained on either hard drives or removable media, including but not limited to: existing and deleted files." Unless a serious computer expert tampered with the laptop prior to its seizure, a professional forensic examination would have found pretty much anything.

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Police make mistakes all the time, and the 4-day delay in seizing the laptop was probably a mistake, but it was likely a pretty inconsequential one. The investigators in this case may have made bigger mistakes but we don't have access to any evidence those.

laurarichardson said:

disch said: You still can do foresics on the laptop and it should have been confiscated that day. I realize that no matter what anyone has to say you are going to defend the police despite the fact that I have said I do not feel anything was done in a malicious manner. Some people really do think that cops are in capable of making errors

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Oh I absolutely agree that police make mistakes. They even said on the warrant for the laptop that they neglected to seize it on April 21 with the other stuff. Did I say somewhere that the police never makes mistakes? I don't remember saying thay anywhere.

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The Carver County police are people and people make errors all the time (don't you?) but there's a difference between a small, routine error and something that's actually impacts the case. I do stand by my assessment that the info we have from the warrants and other reporting we have access to doesn't show to me a pattern of errors from the CCSO that would affect the investigation.

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But, like everyone else on this board, I'm not an professional investigator so I try to have some humility when evaluating the process of people who ARE pros. I try to actually do some research into these things rather than jump to conclusions that other people are incompetent at their jobs.

laurarichardson said:

They had an expert come in from Virgina and you can get a tech from Geek Squad or some college freshman to do forensics on a laptop but at least you admit police made a mistake. and someone on this board knows how to read and figure things out without being a reporter. Remember this entire conversation got started based on what came out of the Sheriff's own mouth.

disch said:

They did do a forensic exam on the laptop. When the police filed the results of laptop warrant on May 6, the report notes "forensic computer examination" and the warrant specifies they planned "To have the above laptop/computers examined by a qualified forensic computer examiner for all data contained on either hard drives or removable media, including but not limited to: existing and deleted files." Unless a serious computer expert tampered with the laptop prior to its seizure, a professional forensic examination would have found pretty much anything.

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Police make mistakes all the time, and the 4-day delay in seizing the laptop was probably a mistake, but it was likely a pretty inconsequential one. The investigators in this case may have made bigger mistakes but we don't have access to any evidence those.

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Lovejunky said:

Anything that was deleted from the Lap Top before and after Princes passing will be "Mined" RE:the the court docs They are retrievable

They made a mstake not securing the laptop,

but I see that slip up, as possibly being beneficial to the case.

If emails and files were deleted after Prince passes,

then the suspects would be very few in number I imagine

I did not say you said that but you are constantly defending them or anyone with an official status as if they are incapable of being wrong. In my opinion that is how you come across. Do you realize the average cop has a high diploma? The screw up all the time and I think that they did not think this was anything more than a simple O.D (although from what I have read most people do not O.D. on pain pills unless they are mixed with other substances because of the constant vomiting) until they found out about the mislabeled pills.

I did not jump to conclusions and neither did anyone else. The actual comments of the sheriff were used as well as their own admission about leaving the laptop which was moved to the office. No one is jumping to anything and since these are public officials their actions should be scrutinized.

One of the problems in this country is the mindset that no one can be judged or held accountable for anything. It is ridiculous. Not noticing or questioning anything is how things go out of control in the first place.

disch said:

Oh I absolutely agree that police make mistakes. They even said on the warrant for the laptop that they neglected to seize it on April 21 with the other stuff. Did I say somewhere that the police never makes mistakes? I don't remember saying thay anywhere.

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The Carver County police are people and people make errors all the time (don't you?) but there's a difference between a small, routine error and something that's actually impacts the case. I do stand by my assessment that the info we have from the warrants and other reporting we have access to doesn't show to me a pattern of errors from the CCSO that would affect the investigation.

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But, like everyone else on this board, I'm not an professional investigator so I try to have some humility when evaluating the process of people who ARE pros. I try to actually do some research into these things rather than jump to conclusions that other people are incompetent at their jobs.

laurarichardson said:

They had an expert come in from Virgina and you can get a tech from Geek Squad or some college freshman to do forensics on a laptop but at least you admit police made a mistake. and someone on this board knows how to read and figure things out without being a reporter. Remember this entire conversation got started based on what came out of the Sheriff's own mouth.

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Lovejunky said:

Lovejunky said:

Anything that was deleted from the Lap Top before and after Princes passing will be "Mined" RE:the the court docs They are retrievable

They made a mstake not securing the laptop,

but I see that slip up, as possibly being beneficial to the case.

If emails and files were deleted after Prince passes,

then the suspects would be very few in number I imagine

Go points if someone screwing around with the computer they will find out and they will have some explaining to do. Let us hope a certain someone was not that stupid.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

Go points if someone screwing around with the computer they will find out and they will have some explaining to do. Let us hope a certain someone was not that stupid.

We all know a good expert computer forensic expert can get deleted files and find any other partitioned parts of the hard drive. Maybe they left it there to see if things were changed / deleted/ added? Everything is time stamped so any changes after 4/21 would be a clue.

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And Laura, I don't know what state you live in but in NY you need at least 2 years / 60 college credits to become a police officer, especially the NYS Police. (They may need more training than they currently get with dealing with people/the public, but I don't believe they are not educated.)

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DD55 said:

laurarichardson said:

Go points if someone screwing around with the computer they will find out and they will have some explaining to do. Let us hope a certain someone was not that stupid.

We all know a good expert computer forensic expert can get deleted files and find any other partitioned parts of the hard drive. Maybe they left it there to see if things were changed / deleted/ added? Everything is time stamped so any changes after 4/21 would be a clue.

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And Laura, I don't know what state you live in but in NY you need at least 2 years / 60 college credits to become a police officer, especially the NYS Police. (They may need more training than they currently get with dealing with people/the public, but I don't believe they are not educated.)

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That is good for NYS but you would be surprised at how many states, cities and municipalities only require a high school diploma. Half the time officers do not even know the laws they are enforcing.

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