To be honest, I don't really think whether she was an attorney or not makes a difference in the question of why Prince's associates contacted her about his health issues on April 20. (I had thought she was one too, based on what I remember reading, so clearly there is some misinformation out there.)

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And I agree that the AP is a reliable news source and their stories about Prince have been cited often here.

precioux said:

Mumio said:

Precioux. No, an AP story is not reliable if they are using incorrect info and media sources do it all the time. Phaedra is not a lawyer and there is ample information available out there showing she is not. The links I gave you above also prove it. I'm going to give you a google search link too: https://www.google.com/se...p;oe=utf-8

I'm also going to suggest that you refrain from telling others they are "Wrong!" unless you are willing to prove you are right with valid sources. It's antagonistic and provocative usage of language and it's not necessary to offend if you have a legitimate answer.

AP is not a reliable source? Funny, that's where the original info about and in regards to all pills found at PP were divulged in detail, before the warrants were unsealed. Also, in reading the thread I posted, not only did Prince acknowledge Phaedra as his attorney, and someone he obviously trusted implicitly (maybe the reason she was called by the associates?) But throughout the entire thread it stated she was his attorney and pics were posted of her. Your question originally was why call her(?) apparently she was someone he trusted and possibly had POA. I will research the links you've added. Curious as to why not only Prince but others as well referred to Phaedra as his attorney if this was incorrect? Makes no sense

TopazGirl said:

zenarose said:

zenarose said:

But wait....IF P's inner circle thought the situation was that bad why not contact TYKA?? She knew exactly what to do and where. I mean it seems everyone is so sure how close Tyka and P had become, why was she overlooked??? Just asking. She was in MN. Phaedra was in CA. That makes zero sense.

Zena, you get my point. It makes no sense that anyone contacted Phaedra. I'm not really buying this part of the story, it just doesn't fit.

We can second-guess to death why Prince's associates didn't contact some other person or do something else differently. But who knows if they had contacted someone else if anything would have turned out differently. And conversely, if they had done exactly what they did but Prince hadn't swallowed that fentanyl laced pill, and he then he completed a successful treatment with Dr K and was alive today, no one would question why they contact Ellis-Lamkins and not Tyka or whomever. (We wouldn't even know about it.)

NotACleverName said:

precioux said:

Mumio said:

Precioux. No, an AP story is not reliable if they are using incorrect info and media sources do it all the time. Phaedra is not a lawyer and there is ample information available out there showing she is not. The links I gave you above also prove it. I'm going to give you a google search link too: https://www.google.com/se...p;oe=utf-8

I'm also going to suggest that you refrain from telling others they are "Wrong!" unless you are willing to prove you are right with valid sources. It's antagonistic and provocative usage of language and it's not necessary to offend if you have a legitimate answer.

AP is not a reliable source? Funny, that's where the original info about and in regards to all pills found at PP were divulged in detail, before the warrants were unsealed. Also, in reading the thread I posted, not only did Prince acknowledge Phaedra as his attorney, and someone he obviously trusted implicitly (maybe the reason she was called by the associates?) But throughout the entire thread it stated she was his attorney and pics were posted of her. Your question originally was why call her(?) apparently she was someone he trusted and possibly had POA. I will research the links you've added. Curious as to why not only Prince but others as well referred to Phaedra as his attorney if this was incorrect? Makes no sense

No, I don't consider any news source infallible, just consider how this whole last year has gone and the media coverage with it and it's clear that correct information and reliability has been sorely lacking.

Someone else looked at that story you linked to and said they found it had been corrected at some point, so AP definitely wasn't reliable in this instance, but at least did correct their error. Again, Phaedra was not his attorney, she does not identify as an attorney, does not claim to have any law degree, and it's obviously an error that was made numerous times. That's how it happens, one person gives incorrect info and others copy and then do the same. Clearly, Prince was misquoted in his reference to who Phaedra was since she was his manager.

disch said:

We can second-guess to death why Prince's associates didn't contact some other person or do something else differently. But who knows if they had contacted someone else if anything would have turned out differently. And conversely, if they had done exactly what they did but Prince hadn't swallowed that fentanyl laced pill, and he then he completed a successful treatment with Dr K and was alive today, no one would question why they contact Ellis-Lamkins and not Tyka or whomever. (We wouldn't even know about it.)

I don't think the story would have played out any differently regardless of anything that anyone did, no heroic measures...nothing. I'm not planning to get into second-guessing anyone but I just found this part of the story to not really fit, it doesn't make sense to have taken this action, and that was what my point was from the beginning. I brought it up because I wondered who else felt that way. The info was put out there but I think it is false information.

Mumio said:

disch said:

We can second-guess to death why Prince's associates didn't contact some other person or do something else differently. But who knows if they had contacted someone else if anything would have turned out differently. And conversely, if they had done exactly what they did but Prince hadn't swallowed that fentanyl laced pill, and he then he completed a successful treatment with Dr K and was alive today, no one would question why they contact Ellis-Lamkins and not Tyka or whomever. (We wouldn't even know about it.)

I don't think the story would have played out any differently regardless of anything that anyone did, no heroic measures...nothing. I'm not planning to get into second-guessing anyone but I just found this part of the story to not really fit, it doesn't make sense to have taken this action, and that was what my point was from the beginning. I brought it up because I wondered who else felt that way. The info was put out there but I think it is false information.

who knows, maybe fate is fate and he was just meant to go then. I for one found it real interesting when not one but two different posters said they had the same premonition five years before Prince died, that "he'd be dead in five years". what to make of that? I don't know but they were right. The only thing i'm comforted by is that Prince was a courageous man, just like the man who died not long after, muhammad Ali, it wasn't either I was worried about in terms of dealing with the process, it really is the rest of us who have lost out in some fashion. I do think Prince would probably be at peace with things, as i've said several times. It's still a mysterious death, it goes against everything that I know about the man in my 30 plus years of being a fan and i still think that other factors, terminal illness could have been the reason behind it. I still can't see a guy who had the constitution to defeat the need for biological functions that limit the rest of us (sleep,work, exhaustion,food) i can't see why he couldn't handle a little pain or a little withdrawal. He wasn't like the rest of us. Little Richard Claims he quit heroin,coke and everything else, cold turkey, men like that are not like us. Hell, even Ray Charles has stated that his heroin addiction and the withdrawals in a hospital were overdramatized. those guys are strong people, they are not like the norm. Any great athlete, great scholar or great anything doesn't get there by not being able to access inhuman reserves. Don't believe me? check out franco columbo bust his knee clean out of socket on youtube and speak about it a couple minutes later as calmly as he would speak on anything. those kinds of guys are a different breed.

Mumio said:

disch said:

We can second-guess to death why Prince's associates didn't contact some other person or do something else differently. But who knows if they had contacted someone else if anything would have turned out differently. And conversely, if they had done exactly what they did but Prince hadn't swallowed that fentanyl laced pill, and he then he completed a successful treatment with Dr K and was alive today, no one would question why they contact Ellis-Lamkins and not Tyka or whomever. (We wouldn't even know about it.)

I don't think the story would have played out any differently regardless of anything that anyone did, no heroic measures...nothing. I'm not planning to get into second-guessing anyone but I just found this part of the story to not really fit, it doesn't make sense to have taken this action, and that was what my point was from the beginning. I brought it up because I wondered who else felt that way. The info was put out there but I think it is false information.

who knows, maybe fate is fate and he was just meant to go then. I for one found it real interesting when not one but two different posters said they had the same premonition five years before Prince died, that "he'd be dead in five years". what to make of that? I don't know but they were right. The only thing i'm comforted by is that Prince was a courageous man, just like the man who died not long after, muhammad Ali, it wasn't either I was worried about in terms of dealing with the process, it really is the rest of us who have lost out in some fashion. I do think Prince would probably be at peace with things, as i've said several times. It's still a mysterious death, it goes against everything that I know about the man in my 30 plus years of being a fan and i still think that other factors, terminal illness could have been the reason behind it. I still can't see a guy who had the constitution to defeat the need for biological functions that limit the rest of us (sleep,work, exhaustion,food) i can't see why he couldn't handle a little pain or a little withdrawal. He wasn't like the rest of us. Little Richard Claims he quit heroin,coke and everything else, cold turkey, men like that are not like us. Hell, even Ray Charles has stated that his heroin addiction and the withdrawals in a hospital were overdramatized. those guys are strong people, they are not like the norm. Any great athlete, great scholar or great anything doesn't get there by not being able to access inhuman reserves. Don't believe me? check out franco columbo bust his knee clean out of socket on youtube and speak about it a couple minutes later as calmly as he would speak on anything. those kinds of guys are a different breed.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

PennyPurple said:

We will be having a book club therad on The Rise of Prince by Alex Hahn and Laura Tiebert in a few days.

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As I am currently reading the book, the book states that it was Phaedra who reached out to Dr. K.

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After Prince left Walgreens he went back to PP and the chef was there because he prepared Prince's meal, the Chef was sent home.

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Only one person had a key to PP and that was Prince. The only time that someone else held a key to PP was when Prince was out of town.

He did not open the door on the 21st, so Kirk (it's always back to Kirk) also had a key.

mnfriend said:

MMJas said:

I watched that interview again. How could he say he did not know Prince was in pain? The meds were wrritten in his name!

Because he is not going to open the door to Prince's private medical business- not his place, he believes. Prince would not want him to, he believes he is honoring Price by keeping quiet publicly for the rest of his life! I am not 'on sides' I am telling you objectively what I think.

I understand. I've been very much on the fence regarding Kirk, to be honest. But now I cannot stop thinking that ultimately he should have not left him alone after Prince ODed a week before. Especially if he was aware of Prince taking illegal stuff/weening himself off alone/having physical problems like not eating properly, etc.

On the other hand, he might have thought he was doing as much as he could, by having called the doctor to be in PP the following morning, most likely a last resort thing in his mind for someone as private as Prince. So yes, conflicting feelings regarding Kirk.

I guess it's the timeline of events and how quickly things escalated that disturb me most. Prince suddenly gets sick "has the flu" on April 7, 2016, and reschedules the Atlanta shows. Sometime earlier that day, KJ got a prescription from Dr. S. either for himself or for Prince but in his name "to protect Prince's privacy."

I know this because of the search warrant that says:

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson. A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription. One of the pill bottles, a Vitamin D bottle, was found to contain the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron, was found to contain the controlled substance Acetaminophen/oxycodone hydrochloride(Percocet). The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg.

On April 14, 2016, Prince supposedly still wasn't feeling well, yet he performed two sets and five encores in Atlanta and upon leaving to return to Minneapolis, he suddenly became non-responsive on his plane and was revived by a shot of Narcan (which is used to treat opioid overdoses) just a few hours afterward, in Illlinois, where his plane had to make an emergency landing to get him some help. He supposedly may or may not have taken one or two Percocet (Acetaminophen/oxycodone hydrochloride). KJ and JH were traveling with him. Prince supposedly refused to stay at the hospital and returned to Minneapolis on the morning of April 15, 2016.

Somewhere from April 15, 2016 through April 20, 2016 not only was Prince seen by Dr. S. and had some tests done but someone became concerned about his "opioid use" that a California rehab specialist was contacted and he sent his son Dr. K to meet with Prince on the morning of April 21, 2016, but he arrived too late because Prince, who had been left alone at PP since around 8pm the night before, was already dead from an accidental overdose of Fentanyl that was in the form of a pill (mis)labeled as Hydrocodone.

Every single bit of that is quite disturbing to me and it has nothing to do with conspiracy theories or just wanting to blame someone.

[Edited 4/25/17 5:25am]

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Unfortunately, Prince had too many enablers in his circle. All he needed was one true friend to step up to the plate. Prince had too many users and abusers (hence, the song he sang about KJ using him up). Prince felt hurt and betrayed and maybe he was trying to tell us something in that song?

I think we have to remember he did go to Dr.S and get meds to help with his withdrawals so he was trying. I kind of think that it is getting lost. No one could have forced him to go to Dr.S. I believe he was trying we have no way of knowing why he took the laced Watson instead of the pain pills Dr. S ptescribed to Kirk [Edited 4/24/17 16:48pm]

Yes, I've stated before I believe he was weening himself off by himself, hence the cut in half pills, the withdrawal symptoms, etc. However, and in that context, I believe that one of two things might have happened that would explain him taking the pain pill even though he was weening himself off:

1. he knew the doctor was coming the following morning with the blood results and probably to discuss further the possibility of him going into rehab (perhaps even knew about Dr. K) and decided to take one last pill to ease his pain (little did he know it would indeed be his last, sigh) before finally giving in and the whole rehabilitation process;

2. He decided in his mind that he would go back to taking the pain medication, because the withdrawal symptoms were getting to be too much and he was starting to worry he would not be able to function if he did not continue. At that point his choice was between continuing to take the pills or going into rehab, and the latter probably scared him to death, for privacy issues, the exposure to his fans after telling them he lived a clean life and indeed advocating it, his position in the community, his religion, all the other people that looked up to him, and even himself, as a man who was always in control of his life. Plus, along with the whole weening process and its symptoms there might have been another problem: the pain was probably coming back in full force, once the medication was reduced, so not only was he dealing with the withdrawals but also with the pain again.

Please remind me: what other substances were found in his body besides the fentanyl?

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: I think we have to remember he did go to Dr.S and get meds to help with his withdrawals so he was trying. I kind of think that it is getting lost. No one could have forced him to go to Dr.S. I believe he was trying we have no way of knowing why he took the laced Watson instead of the pain pills Dr. S ptescribed to Kirk [Edited 4/24/17 16:48pm]

Yes, I've stated before I believe he was weening himself off by himself, hence the cut in half pills, the withdrawal symptoms, etc. However, and in that context, I believe that one of two things might have happened that would explain him taking the pain pill even though he was weening himself off:

1. he knew the doctor was coming the following morning with the blood results and probably to discuss further the possibility of him going into rehab (perhaps even knew about Dr. K) and decided to take one last pill to ease his pain (little did he know it would indeed be his last, sigh) before finally giving in and the whole rehabilitation process;

2. He decided in his mind that he would go back to taking the pain medication, because the withdrawal symptoms were getting to be too much and he was starting to worry he would not be able to function if he did not continue. At that point his choice was between continuing to take the pills or going into rehab, and the latter probably scared him to death, for privacy issues, the exposure to his fans after telling them he lived a clean life and indeed advocating it, his position in the community, his religion, all the other people that looked up to him, and even himself, as a man who was always in control of his life. Plus, along with the whole weening process and its symptoms there might have been another problem: the pain was probably coming back in full force, once the medication was reduced, so not only was he dealing with the withdrawals but also with the pain again.

Please remind me: what other substances were found in his body besides the fentanyl?

The Autopsy doesnt reveal or name anything other than fentanyl

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

mnfriend said: ____ I guess the laughing and smugness does not bother you. The non- cooperation with cops and lies. nterview was nd smugness was okay withyou. he fact that he lied to the cops is not a problem for you. [Edited 4/24/17 17:47pm]

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Laura: I agree. He comes across as cold-hearted. The part that got me upset is when the interviewer said that people want someone to be prosecuted for Prince's death and KJ's response was: "That is their problem".

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What a thing to say to all his grieving fans and loved ones. After he said that, I changed my opinion of him.

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I don't know if that inteview was heavily-edited or what, but he did not come across as showing any compassion. All he wanted to do was talk about the Anniversary Tribute at PP. I'm sure his attorney is telling him to keep a tight lip too! No doubt.

Now that was cold. And defensive, I guess. Because even if Kirk does not see this as his problem, even if he knows that Prince got those pills illegally without him knowing and for that reason he feels he is in no way responsible, in my opinion he should still be kicking himself for not noticing, not being there, not doing more. The person always feels they should/could have done more. That's the first thing most people say when someone dies from a tragedy like this: I wish I could have done more, I wish I had noticed something was wrong. So saying outright "that's their problem" sounds to me quite defensive. Jmo.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

benni said:

Regardless of whether he brought them or not, he didn't do anything with them. It doesn't matter that he brought them with him. Nothing was done with them. It's a detail that has no bearing on what ultimately happened with Prince.

[Edited 4/24/17 19:44pm]

He could have brought the fatal pill...we don't know and this has been discussed many times.

Not only that makes no sense whatsoever, but also, and according to datelines posted before, Prince was already dead when Andrew was still on the plane.

MMJas said:

zenarose said:

1Sasha said:

Certain audience members from the Saturday PP event said he looked very frail; there were others who said he looked fine. My feeling was that if he was fine, he would have played that custom-made purple guitar. I don't think he was.

I agree with Disch - with the exception of the Tuesday night show and I think a visit to Electric Fetus, he wasn't seen. I might be wrong here, but that is what I recall reading. He was not in good shape and some people who were trying to reach him could not connect with him. Did he not want to speak with them, or were his employees keeping him away from others because of his state?

It was also stated that "a doctor" was at PP that Saturday night and that P introduced "the doctor" and praised him and thanked him...SEVERAL TIMES. It was discussed in the last curiosities thread. We couldn't figure out why P being so private, made such a big deal of it. We have no clue who this doctor was, but speculated that it was possibly Dr. S. This information came from a person in attendance that night.

Now that is... unsual.

Lovejunky said:

MMJas said:

Yes, I've stated before I believe he was weening himself off by himself, hence the cut in half pills, the withdrawal symptoms, etc. However, and in that context, I believe that one of two things might have happened that would explain him taking the pain pill even though he was weening himself off:

1. he knew the doctor was coming the following morning with the blood results and probably to discuss further the possibility of him going into rehab (perhaps even knew about Dr. K) and decided to take one last pill to ease his pain (little did he know it would indeed be his last, sigh) before finally giving in and the whole rehabilitation process;

2. He decided in his mind that he would go back to taking the pain medication, because the withdrawal symptoms were getting to be too much and he was starting to worry he would not be able to function if he did not continue. At that point his choice was between continuing to take the pills or going into rehab, and the latter probably scared him to death, for privacy issues, the exposure to his fans after telling them he lived a clean life and indeed advocating it, his position in the community, his religion, all the other people that looked up to him, and even himself, as a man who was always in control of his life. Plus, along with the whole weening process and its symptoms there might have been another problem: the pain was probably coming back in full force, once the medication was reduced, so not only was he dealing with the withdrawals but also with the pain again.

Please remind me: what other substances were found in his body besides the fentanyl?

The Autopsy doesnt reveal or name anything other than fentanyl

So what about the withdrawal medication prescribed by Doctor S? And all those prescritions(4?) that apparently were filled in one week? There was no trace of anything else in his system?

MMJas said:

Lovejunky said:

The Autopsy doesnt reveal or name anything other than fentanyl

So what about the withdrawal medication prescribed by Doctor S? And all those prescritions(4?) that apparently were filled in one week? There was no trace of anything else in his system?

The released autopsy report was just for cause of death, so nothing else being listed doesn't mean nothing else was in his system. The full report would probably show this but we're never going to see that so will never know.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Phaedra is not very credible. Sad that Prince trusted her at all. I have noticed the story's out there on Prince all have from unnamed sources close to the investigation, but they are not always the truth. Almost like someone is talking to the media and putting false info out on purpose. [Edited 4/24/17 22:16pm]

Sorry....but with respect Im scratching my head...

No idea how you can even think such a thing..?

That woman went to WAR on his Behalf..

as a Black WOMAN against one of the Most Powerful COmpanies in this WORLD

and she WON !

She is a Warrior the likes of which we dont see very often

She,s credible alright....

Plus she LOVED him Fiercely and dare I say it Purely

because there was sure as hec no "funny stuff" going on between them

Have you seen her face, the picture of her taken on the 22nd of last year

outside Paisley ?

I cant even look at that Picture ever again because the expression on HER Face says more about OUR Feelings than any of the Trillions of words that have been ever been written about his passing.

She is entirely devastated and crushed

Have you watched this Video and noted the Love respect admiration and

she has for him..??

Motivated by HIS Faith in HER .

She took him on as a CLient when she didnt TAKE CLiENTS and

WON a Game that she was NOT an expert in.

THat there shows how MUCH LOVE she had for the guy.

SAD ? Are you kidding me..?

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said: