Mumio said:

I never felt so.... ....
It may have been put out there to derail too...hmmmm
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laurarichardson said:

It would have to have been a Physician licensed in the state of MN with a special license to administer and or prescribe. (To be legal)

Edited bc of stupid predictive text 😣
[Edited 4/24/17 22:18pm]

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

TopazGirl said:

I guess it's habit because people toss out too many baseless statements. I like to offer references with my answers if I can and I do not pull my sources from tabloids. I think the Star Tribune is a good resource and has been very informative. I would rather do that than to for example say "There was no medical emergency...it was made up" and then not say why I think this is so or offer some basis in fact. The focus is not on the "news stories", the news stories were the references for answers that I gave and that is all that I see them as.

Sorry, I was not directing that at you...before the warrants we went from those sources too and many proved to be not legit.

LOL, damn, I thought it had to be me because I use a lot of references lol! It really is a habit too because I'm currently in college and have to use references in everything (discussions too!). No worries. I just don't want to make any waves.

zenarose said:

There are plenty of docs licensed in MN. This site lists them: https://www.samhsa.gov/me...e_value=MN

Aamf, the doc below is in Hennepin county.

Dr.Gregory Amer M.D.606 24th Avenue So.
Suite 602 Minneapolis Hennepin County Minnesota

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Mumio said:

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! It's a little weird

My whole point is this really: it is completely inappropriate and very ill-advised to call an environment and labor activist about a grave medical situation. We aren't just talking about someone with a cold, it's a serious situation. And because it is a serious situation, this scenario makes no sense at all. I feel pretty strongly that it is false information. I am not saying anyone here made it up, but it's just not believable at all given the circumstances.

I never felt so.... .... It may have been put out there to derail too...hmmmm [Edited 4/24/17 20:42pm]

NotACleverName said:

Well look what you found....so why didn't anyone call this Dr if there were a real issue

Mumio said:

Hahaha.. U got me. No more unnamed sources either...

NotACleverName said:

Mumio said:

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! It's a little weird

My whole point is this really: it is completely inappropriate and very ill-advised to call an environment and labor activist about a grave medical situation. We aren't just talking about someone with a cold, it's a serious situation. And because it is a serious situation, this scenario makes no sense at all. I feel pretty strongly that it is false information. I am not saying anyone here made it up, but it's just not believable at all given the circumstances.

Ah ha! I see. I agree....it was a very serious situation. But, given what we know about Prince and his "unwillingness" to accept advice, shall I say, I feel it makes perfect sense. Add to that her response when questioned about the "call". She didn't say "no, I didn't make the call" but rather, she deflected. For me, that speaks volumes. Btw....thanks for the fun! Laughter is good for the soul!

I agree! That's what stood out to me.

Because Prince wasn't having it? Because Prince's associates didn't know anything about suboxone treatment (that was likely something Dr K introduced as an option) and wouldn't have known to seek that out, and they didn't really know what to do? And again, because Prince wasn't having it?

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

NotACleverName said:

There are plenty of docs licensed in MN. This site lists them: https://www.samhsa.gov/me...e_value=MN Aamf, the doc below is in Hennepin county. Dr.Gregory Amer M.D.606 24th Avenue So. Suite 602 Minneapolis Hennepin County Minnesota

Well look what you found....so why didn't anyone call this Dr if there were a real issue

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Well, there was a doc that had cleared his schedule that morning for that purpose. I'll just have to search for that quote. However, I think the key here, that some might not be considering, is the "Prince factor". If he wasn't having it....IT was a no go. I don't think he would even consider "rehab" unless his specific criteria was met. Is it private? Can the docs be trusted? Is treatment inpatient or out? Etc. He wasn't going to willingly go down the street and check himself in. Was not going down like that.

NotACleverName said:

I don't think Prince had any idea ...

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Wrong!

"His lawyer, Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, calls it his "fight for justice" and an enormous game-changer for the industry. (This is stated in this AP article in regards to Prince,and Phaedra being his attorney who handled getting Prince "to where he wanted to be")

Http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...n-25828394

This article says

"Kornfeld dispatched his son, Andrew Kornfeld, who worked with his father, to meet with Prince and a second Minnesota doctor — certified to prescribe an opioid addiction treatment medication that Dr. Kornfeld uses — the following day. That Minnesota doctor, who also hasn’t been publicly identified, had cleared his calendar for the morning of April 21 so that Prince could go to his office for an independent evaluation, the source said."

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http://www.startribune.co...378419741/

NotACleverName said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Well look what you found....so why didn't anyone call this Dr if there were a real issue

Well, there was a doc that had cleared his schedule that morning for that purpose. I'll just have to search for that quote. However, I think the key here, that some might not be considering, is the "Prince factor". If he wasn't having it....IT was a no go. I don't think he would even consider "rehab" unless his specific criteria was met. Is it private? Can the docs be trusted? Is treatment inpatient or out? Etc. He wasn't going to willingly go down the street and check himself in. Was not going down like that.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Found the quote I mentioned above: "Mauzy has said Howard Kornfeld gave the drug to his son to bring to another, unidentified Minnesota doctor who is specially certified to prescribe the drug and who had planned to see Prince the morning he was found dead."

and source: http://www.startribune.co...0338131/#1

I don't get why it was so hard to formulate an effective plan. They lived in the world of rock and roll, where mega stars are f*cked up all the time and go to exclusive totally private rehab. Kirk had be around 30 years, in all that time he had never been around or heard stories of other stars and musicians in similar circumstances. If any group of people would have some inroads to rehab you would think this would be them. It is really astonishing what a shit show of a plan they developed. Even the hookers at the bunny ranch new how to save Lamar Odom, once again for me it does not compute

precioux said:

Mumio said:

Lol, I don't believe Phaedra is a lawyer. She is an environmental and labor activist.

Wrong! "His lawyer, Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, calls it his "fight for justice" and an enormous game-changer for the industry. (This is stated in this AP article in regards to Prince,and Phaedra being his attorney who handled getting Prince "to where he wanted to be") Http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...n-25828394

Please find another source for your info because I as well as others here agreed that she is not a lawyer. News programs are not a good source. Here's a couple I've found: https://www.linkedin.com/...ns-9b51206 and https://en.wikipedia.org/...is-Lamkins

[Edited 4/24/17 21:21pm]

I agree and all I can chalk it up to is Prince himself -- he was refusing to go along with things and his associates weren't empowered enough to really take charge.

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Doesn't it kind of seem like other things around Prince kind of had that shit-show vibe? Like his business dealings toward the end of his life? Just a sort of chaotic or amateurish way about them (and yes, I anticipate the flaming...)?

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I don't get why it was so hard to formulate an effective plan. They lived in the world of rock and roll, where mega stars are f*cked up all the time and go to exclusive totally private rehab. Kirk had be around 30 years, in all that time he had never been around or heard stories of other stars and musicians in similar circumstances. If any group of people would have some inroads to rehab you would think this would be them. It is really astonishing what a shit show of a plan they developed. Even the hookers at the bunny ranch new how to save Lamar Odom, once again for me it does not compute

disch said:

Yes, nothing seemed tight, lots of weird loose ends all over the place. I am wondering if this group of people that were his inner circle at the time of his death were just not smart? And really thought the family practice doctor down the street who had zero experience with addiction was "the guy"

Mumio said:

I copied a link from the thread "New Prince Interview:AP Exclusive:Prince Exalts in his 'Heaven'"-I think an AP story is pretty reliable. I'm guessing Prince was lying in this interview? I did not read all 3 pages. Look this thread up, please, let me know your thoughts-the entire thread was quite interesting. Anyone know what "Occupy Paisley Park" means? It was a term Prince used in this interview

NotACleverName said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Well look what you found....so why didn't anyone call this Dr if there were a real issue

Well, there was a doc that had cleared his schedule that morning for that purpose. I'll just have to search for that quote. However, I think the key here, that some might not be considering, is the "Prince factor". If he wasn't having it....IT was a no go. I don't think he would even consider "rehab" unless his specific criteria was met. Is it private? Can the docs be trusted? Is treatment inpatient or out? Etc. He wasn't going to willingly go down the street and check himself in. Was not going down like that.

I mentioned the Prince factor a few pages back. But I agree. Prince was a stubborn man and if he wanted things a certain way, then that is how they were.

I still do not believe Prince was addicted though. Using that same Prince factor, he was someone who always had to have control. The fact that no one stated they ever saw him take anything... If Prince were addicted to pain medication, someone, somewhere, at some time would have seen him taking something or would have seen him strung out. I think he was dependent upon his pain medication, but tried to take it the way it was prescribed, and would cut up pills to take for break through pain. As I said earlier, I've never known of an addict to cut up their pills. They'd take the whole pill, not a partial pill.

And it's not being in denial. I've gone back and forth on the issue and I've weighed what we know about Prince. Prince saw what drug addictions did to members of his family, as well as, to people around him. He helped some of them out with rehab. He was a definite control freak, where he controlled every aspect of his life, even fighting record labels to get control of his masters for years, controlling what band members wore, even the fact that they had to dress the part even when they weren't performing. Relationships were always on his term. Addiction is something that is definitely "out of control" and I cannot see Prince letting anything get out of his control. It doesn't make sense given what we know about him.

Dependency, perhaps, but not addiction. And there is a difference between the two.

Addiction—or compulsive drug use despite harmful consequences—is characterized by an inability to stop using a drug; failure to meet work, social, or family obligations; and, sometimes (depending on the drug), tolerance and withdrawal. The latter reflect physical dependence in which the body adapts to the drug, requiring more of it to achieve a certain effect (tolerance) and eliciting drug-specific physical or mental symptoms if drug use is abruptly ceased (withdrawal). Physical dependence can happen with the chronic use of many drugs—including many prescription drugs, even if taken as instructed. Thus, physical dependence in and of itself does not constitute addiction, but it often accompanies addiction. This distinction can be dificult to discern, particularly with prescribed pain medications, for which the need for increasing dosages can represent tolerance or a worsening underlying problem, as opposed to the beginning of abuse or addiction.

[Edited 4/24/17 21:43pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Agree, except he was addicted. Psyically addicted.
Why Do Addicts Hide Their Drugs?
To Hide Their Addiction From Others
To Hide the Severity of the Addiction
As a Type of Self-Denial

precioux said:

Mumio said:

Please find another source for your info because I as well as others here agreed that she is not a lawyer. News programs are not a good source. Here's a couple I've found: https://www.linkedin.com/...ns-9b51206 and https://en.wikipedia.org/...is-Lamkins

[Edited 4/24/17 21:21pm]

I copied a link from the thread "New Prince Interview:AP Exclusive:Prince Exalts in his 'Heaven'"-I think an AP story is pretty reliable. I'm guessing Prince was lying in this interview? I did not read all 3 pages. Look this thread up, please, let me know your thoughts-the entire thread was quite interesting. Anyone know what "Occupy Paisley Park" means? It was a term Prince used in this interview

Precioux. No, an AP story is not reliable if they are using incorrect info and media sources do it all the time. Phaedra is not a lawyer and there is ample information available out there showing she is not. The links I gave you above also prove it. I'm going to give you a google search link too: https://www.google.com/se...p;oe=utf-8

I'm also going to suggest that you refrain from telling others they are "Wrong!" unless you are willing to prove you are right with valid sources. It's antagonistic and provocative usage of language and it's not necessary to offend if you have a legitimate answer.

Interestingly, although the version of that 2014 AP article pasted into the org thread calls Ellis-Lamkins a lawyer, the version of that article i found here doesn't describe her that way; they must have edited it later: http://minnesota.cbslocal...is-heaven/

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(side note: this whole interview was depressing. Prince sounds so fake-ly excited about the situation he was in in 2014. Claiming that he was surrounded musically by "equal talent" and it was "heaven"? I mean, come on...)

precioux said:

Mumio said:

Please find another source for your info because I as well as others here agreed that she is not a lawyer. News programs are not a good source. Here's a couple I've found: https://www.linkedin.com/...ns-9b51206 and https://en.wikipedia.org/...is-Lamkins

[Edited 4/24/17 21:21pm]

I copied a link from the thread "New Prince Interview:AP Exclusive:Prince Exalts in his 'Heaven'"-I think an AP story is pretty reliable. I'm guessing Prince was lying in this interview? I did not read all 3 pages. Look this thread up, please, let me know your thoughts-the entire thread was quite interesting. Anyone know what "Occupy Paisley Park" means? It was a term Prince used in this interview

disch said:

Interestingly, although the version of that 2014 AP article pasted into the org thread calls Ellis-Lamkins a lawyer, the version of that article i found here doesn't describe her that way; they must have edited it later: http://minnesota.cbslocal...is-heaven/

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(side note: this whole interview was depressing. Prince sounds so fake-ly excited about the situation he was in in 2014. Claiming that he was surrounded musically by "equal talent" and it was "heaven"? I mean, come on...)

precioux said:

Mumio said: I copied a link from the thread "New Prince Interview:AP Exclusive:Prince Exalts in his 'Heaven'"-I think an AP story is pretty reliable. I'm guessing Prince was lying in this interview? I did not read all 3 pages. Look this thread up, please, let me know your thoughts-the entire thread was quite interesting. Anyone know what "Occupy Paisley Park" means? It was a term Prince used in this interview

Well thanks so much Disch, appreciate that you did the work for me. I'm sure you're right that they corrected the info after discovering it was wrong. I'm gonna take your word for it about the interview and pass on reading it.

benni said:

BENNI: Phaedra isn't a lawyer.

zenarose said:

benni said:

Maybe they felt she would be discreet, since she was a lawyer, and maybe they thought she would have connections or know of a treatment place that would be just as discreet.

BENNI: Phaedra isn't a lawyer.

This was already addressed zenarose. But thank you.

[Edited 4/24/17 22:00pm]

NotACleverName said:

This was not stated in the warrant, and seems likely it would have been mentioned in Andrews Q&As...Mauzy is Dr Ks Attny. He has mis-spoke before re what happened. The warrant cleared that up.
Still, Something shady went down and Ps associates could have called the dr you mentioned but instead a Cali dr was called. Also the security camera was not on.
Believe Prince had no idea this was taking place.

Mumio said:

AP is not a reliable source? Funny, that's where the original info about and in regards to all pills found at PP were divulged in detail, before the warrants were unsealed. Also, in reading the thread I posted, not only did Prince acknowledge Phaedra as his attorney, and someone he obviously trusted implicitly (maybe the reason she was called by the associates?) But throughout the entire thread it stated she was his attorney and pics were posted of her. Your question originally was why call her(?) apparently she was someone he trusted and possibly had POA. I will research the links you've added. Curious as to why not only Prince but others as well referred to Phaedra as his attorney if this was incorrect? Makes no sense

benni said:

I don't doubt he was taking something for pain. However still wondering what he was given by Dr S...we have been told it was not pain meds