Lovejunky said:

disch said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

well if we're going by that rationale, how many pills did Kirk J originally have with him? Or Meron? Or the chef? or the first responders?

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It's a silly and pointless argument. There's literally no evidence or reason to believe that Andrew did anything malicious whatsoever and, as I mentioned before, I think it's kind of irresponsible to continue to insinuate this.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said:

The warrant specifies what they collected from Andrew in Andrew's backpack, and it goes into details of what Andrew had.

Yes, correct the warrant was for the contents left inside the backpack but no one knows who brought in the pill that killed Prince or how many pills were originally in that backpack.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Mumio said:

But again, as I asked above: why would someone contact her of all people regarding a grave medical situation? Why would anyone think she'd be the person to call when there are oh so many qualified medical professionals that could help?

Agree, and Why would anyone call a Dr in Cali when there are local more reputable Drs in Minnesota. And he says he's to busy so sends his son instead .... Or why not just dial 911 instead of the story being told.

It has nothing to do with WHERE he should get treatment. I think you've lost track of the question you were attempting to answer.

Why would an environmental and labor activist be called for someone who needs medical advice? Phaedra is NOT a doctor. She has NO medical background.

NotACleverName said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Because Andrew wanted to go to prison for life, or in your scenario get the death penalty to

kill a man he had never met.

It's only been discussed by you, PD1. Frankly, I don't understand how you can make this connection. What was the motive? What did Andrew have to gain?

Exactly. The first thing a police officer is going to look at in a murder case is motive. Andrew had never met Prince before. They were called the day before (on the 20th) and he took the red eye flight to Minne to give Prince information about his dad's facility. Where is the motive? What would the motive be for Andrew to do something that could result in him going to prison, or possibly facing the death penalty for murder?

benni said:

Mumio said:

But again, as I asked above: why would someone contact her of all people regarding a grave medical situation? Why would anyone think she'd be the person to call when there are oh so many qualified medical professionals that could help?

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Maybe they felt she would be discreet, since she was a lawyer, and maybe they thought she would have connections or know of a treatment place that would be just as discreet.

Lol, I don't believe Phaedra is a lawyer. She is an environmental and labor activist.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

It was going good keeping with discussing the just the warrants..not all the tabloid and news sources ..you did a great job putting those on here so all could follow.

I guess it's habit because people toss out too many baseless statements. I like to offer references with my answers if I can and I do not pull my sources from tabloids. I think the Star Tribune is a good resource and has been very informative. I would rather do that than to for example say "There was no medical emergency...it was made up" and then not say why I think this is so or offer some basis in fact. The focus is not on the "news stories", the news stories were the references for answers that I gave and that is all that I see them as.

Probably because this "environmental and labor activist" was a lawyer who had a longstanding personal relationship with Prince. She was maybe someone whose general judgment Prince's associates -- and Prince himself -- trusted. Perhaps they knew she had connections with Dr K (she lives in the same area as his clinic).

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It's possible that Prince was not cooprating with whatever his associates were trying to do in his final days and they were maybe at wit's end.

Mumio said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Mumio said: Agree, and Why would anyone call a Dr in Cali when there are local more reputable Drs in Minnesota. And he says he's to busy so sends his son instead .... Or why not just dial 911 instead of the story being told.

It has nothing to do with WHERE he should get treatment. I think you've lost track of the question you were attempting to answer.

Why would an environmental and labor activist be called for someone who needs medical advice? Phaedra is NOT a doctor. She has NO medical background.

Mumio said:

benni said:

Maybe they felt she would be discreet, since she was a lawyer, and maybe they thought she would have connections or know of a treatment place that would be just as discreet.

Lol, I don't believe Phaedra is a lawyer. She is an environmental and labor activist.

I mentioned this earlier Mumio...

Maybe the personal relationship between Phaedra and P was such that THEY knew that getting HER involved would carry some punch

Might be that..seems to me P would be more likely to respond posatively to a person he loved and obviously trusted as a first point of addressing the seriousness of the situation

than some stranger with a long list of Proffessional credentials behind him

Mumio said:

disch said:

Probably because this "environmental and labor activist" was a lawyer who had a longstanding personal relationship with Prince. She was maybe someone whose general judgment Prince's associates -- and Prince himself -- trusted. Perhaps they knew she had connections with Dr K (she lives in the same area as his clinic).

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It's possible that Prince was not cooprating with whatever his associates were trying to do in his final days and they were maybe at wit's end.

Disch, I like what you say but Phaedra isnt a lawyer.

You're right, she's not. But she was Prince's manager for some period of time starting in 2014. So for whatever reason he trusted her for that role, so he must have respected her judgment.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

Probably because this "environmental and labor activist" was a lawyer who had a longstanding personal relationship with Prince. She was maybe someone whose general judgment Prince's associates -- and Prince himself -- trusted. Perhaps they knew she had connections with Dr K (she lives in the same area as his clinic).

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It's possible that Prince was not cooprating with whatever his associates were trying to do in his final days and they were maybe at wit's end.

Disch, I like what you say but Phaedra isnt a lawyer.

Mumio said:

benni said:

Maybe they felt she would be discreet, since she was a lawyer, and maybe they thought she would have connections or know of a treatment place that would be just as discreet.

Lol, I don't believe Phaedra is a lawyer. She is an environmental and labor activist.

Thank you. I thought I read somewhere that she was a lawyer. My mistake. Either way, I stand behind my statement that maybe they felt she would be discreet and looking at her Wikipedia page, she would definitely have connections.

Mumio said:

NotACleverName said:

Mumio said:

Lol, I don't believe Phaedra is a lawyer. She is an environmental and lawbor activist.

Is that the punch line? Did I miss it? Help me out here, Mumio.

Hahahaahahahaahaha! I am just trying to get an answer to my question but it's been pretty difficult.

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

I think a bunch of people have answered with the same theory -- that she was a trusted friend whose judgment Prince and his associates valued, and perhaps Prince had rejected his associates' attempts to reach out to other peopl -- but it sounds like that theory doesn't hold weight with you.

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In all honesty, we don't know why people behaved the way they did. Hell, why didn't Prince highttail it from Moline straight to som in-patient clinic somewhere? That would have "made sense" -- but he didn't do that.

Mumio said:

NotACleverName said:

Mumio said: Is that the punch line? Did I miss it? Help me out here, Mumio.

Hahahaahahahaahaha! I am just trying to get an answer to my question but it's been pretty difficult.

NotACleverName said:

Mumio said:

Hahahaahahahaahaha! I am just trying to get an answer to my question but it's been pretty difficult.

I get that....but it doesn't appear anyone has the answer you're looking for. And, why did you spell it "law"bor.....intentional? Shite. I feel like I'm on a freakin' game show.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! It's a little weird

My whole point is this really: it is completely inappropriate and very ill-advised to call an environment and labor activist about a grave medical situation. We aren't just talking about someone with a cold, it's a serious situation. And because it is a serious situation, this scenario makes no sense at all. I feel pretty strongly that it is false information. I am not saying anyone here made it up, but it's just not believable at all given the circumstances.

Mumio said:

disch said:

I think a bunch of people have answered with the same theory -- that she was a trusted friend whose judgment Prince and his associates valued, and perhaps Prince had rejected his associates' attempts to reach out to other peopl -- but it sounds like that theory doesn't hold weight with you.

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In all honesty, we don't know why people behaved the way they did. Hell, why didn't Prince highttail it from Moline straight to som in-patient clinic somewhere? That would have "made sense" -- but he didn't do that.

Actually disch, I do think his behavior was completely what I expect from him and it was no surprise to me at all. But I don't buy into a lot of what is floating around out there either so.....

Andrew's plane didn't even land until 6 am. Prince was already gone by 6 am. Andrew is out of the equation.

Mumio said:

NotACleverName said:

Mumio said: Is that the punch line? Did I miss it? Help me out here, Mumio.

Hahahaahahahaahaha! I am just trying to get an answer to my question but it's been pretty difficult.

She's the go between. She knew who to contact when they didn't. Her purpose was to connect them with someone to help Prince because they were out of options and for some reason, they we went to her. Why? Don't know without knowing who she knows and what experiences she's been in and how close she was to Prince. That's all I got.

Mumio said:

NotACleverName said:

Mumio said: I get that....but it doesn't appear anyone has the answer you're looking for. And, why did you spell it "law"bor.....intentional? Shite. I feel like I'm on a freakin' game show.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! It's a little weird

My whole point is this really: it is completely inappropriate and very ill-advised to call an environment and labor activist about a grave medical situation. We aren't just talking about someone with a cold, it's a serious situation. And because it is a serious situation, this scenario makes no sense at all. I feel pretty strongly that it is false information. I am not saying anyone here made it up, but it's just not believable at all given the circumstances.

But maybe they weren't calling her about a "grave medical situation". Maybe they were calling her to see if she knew of any facilities in her area that would be discreet and could help Prince out of whatever situation he was in. Obviously, the grave medical situation was something they felt they had more time to address and that it was fairly under control, given that no one stayed with him and that he was not immediately rushed to some local facility. I think that since this was Prince we are talking about, and since people were worried about him, they would word it as a "grave medical situation" to try to get things in place as quickly as possible

TopazGirl said:

1Sasha said:

Mumio said:

I guess to me, his inexperienced and overwhelmed associates calling various trusted people for help or advice doesn't strike me as that inexplicable. Ill-advised, perhaps (especially in retrospect) but not inexplicable. Especially not inexplicable when we remember that Prince was undoubtedly expressing his opionion to his people and maybe he flat-out refused to go along with other options they proposed.

Mumio said:

disch said:

I think a bunch of people have answered with the same theory -- that she was a trusted friend whose judgment Prince and his associates valued, and perhaps Prince had rejected his associates' attempts to reach out to other peopl -- but it sounds like that theory doesn't hold weight with you.

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In all honesty, we don't know why people behaved the way they did. Hell, why didn't Prince highttail it from Moline straight to som in-patient clinic somewhere? That would have "made sense" -- but he didn't do that.

Actually disch, I do think his behavior was completely what I expect from him and it was no surprise to me at all. But I don't buy into a lot of what is floating around out there either so.....