CatB said:

The scene in Purple Rain was written with Vanity in mind, her part even had her name in the script. And what begins as "rape" ends with her turning the tables.

So then one cannot name this scene as "rape" as no woman who has been through such a terrible traumatic experience, ever turns the tables or receives pleasure.

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Mandingo said:

I think Prince was the greatest musical star of our time.

That said as a man and if he wasn't an adored idol...he would have been considered an asshole, mysoginist and abusive. Immature and out of touch.

But we all have our faults.

I feel the whole Prince legacy is becoming life the argument that ensued on whether christ was divine or a messenger.

I like to remember the musician..the man seems like he was a dick. Sorry, but a lot of hardcore fans like myself are reading Mayte's book and its like finding out James Brown was a wife beater

r.i.p

every great man i've studied had some real faults, real faults. Elvis did an endless slew of bad things, I know about most of them but sometimes i'll stumble upon a new one. I read he dropped a couple girlfriends because he found out they dated black guys before, new one on me. but this same guy also bought motherfuckers houses, black and white, bought them cars, threw money at them. With Prince, the only thing that surprises me with the stories are how normal he sounds in some of them. Susan Rodgers makes him sound like just a regular dude who was serious about his job, no more, no less. Brenda fro V6 told a story of how she caught up to him on the musicology tour and she told him she had a son, he insisted he meet him and they talked music, finding out the kid played a saxophone, he scolded Brenda "he doesn't know who Charlie Parker is?" just so normal and so accessible. You'll never hear those kinds of stories about Elvis or Michael, at least I never have. Everything is just over the top with those guys, they never came down to earth.

lol, I'm mad at myself for not readig this thread sooner. The comments in this thread delivers!

EmmaMcG said:

ludwig said:

There was also this "funny" scene where Jerome threw a woman in a dumpster.

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I think it's important to note the context of these scenes. Firstly, the slap. Or the smack. Or the back-hander or, as my mother would call it, the "jaw warmer" he gives Appolonia. The scene is included to show that if he continues on the path he's on, he'll end up just like his father, which is something he doesn't want to be.

Can you please explain why Apollonia doesn't DO ANYTHING BACK TO HIM???!! In all this time, I've *never* understood that.... is she THAT much in love with him??? Could it even be that women LIKE their men to be violent from time to time, even if, it is in fact THEM that they're being violent towards?? (sounds unbelievable, right?) - but, I mean, it proves that they're MEN, right?? Maybe women need reassurance of that from time to time..? - that is, what they're really looking to know is, if someone tries to harm them, this guy's not gonna take any shit, and will kick the SHIT out of that motherfucker in no time... - and for this *they're* willing to get knocked around, well, just a little? Out of love or something? Wow! Gets my head spinning just thinking about it....

domainator2010 said:

EmmaMcG said:

ludwig said: I think it's important to note the context of these scenes. Firstly, the slap. Or the smack. Or the back-hander or, as my mother would call it, the "jaw warmer" he gives Appolonia. The scene is included to show that if he continues on the path he's on, he'll end up just like his father, which is something he doesn't want to be.

Can you please explain why Apollonia doesn't DO ANYTHING BACK TO HIM???!! In all this time, I've *never* understood that.... is she THAT much in love with him??? Could it even be that women LIKE their men to be violent from time to time, even if, it is in fact THEM that they're being violent towards?? (sounds unbelievable, right?) - but, I mean, it proves that they're MEN, right?? Maybe women need reassurance of that from time to time..? - that is, what they're really looking to know is, if someone tries to harm them, this guy's not gonna take any shit, and will kick the SHIT out of that motherfucker in no time... - and for this *they're* willing to get knocked around, well, just a little? Out of love or something? Wow! Gets my head spinning just thinking about it....

It's a movie. Fiction.

And you DO realize that an abused woman is not mentally healthy enough to strike back at her abuser because she's had the shit beaten out of her for quite a long time. And no, they don't like it, they're just not capable of it without serious help.Good god, you really need to go research what abused women really go through. The fuck is wrong with you.

domainator2010 said:

EmmaMcG said:

ludwig said: I think it's important to note the context of these scenes. Firstly, the slap. Or the smack. Or the back-hander or, as my mother would call it, the "jaw warmer" he gives Appolonia. The scene is included to show that if he continues on the path he's on, he'll end up just like his father, which is something he doesn't want to be.

Can you please explain why Apollonia doesn't DO ANYTHING BACK TO HIM???!! In all this time, I've *never* understood that.... is she THAT much in love with him??? Could it even be that women LIKE their men to be violent from time to time, even if, it is in fact THEM that they're being violent towards?? (sounds unbelievable, right?) - but, I mean, it proves that they're MEN, right?? Maybe women need reassurance of that from time to time..? - that is, what they're really looking to know is, if someone tries to harm them, this guy's not gonna take any shit, and will kick the SHIT out of that motherfucker in no time... - and for this *they're* willing to get knocked around, well, just a little? Out of love or something? Wow! Gets my head spinning just thinking about it....

uh oh, get ready to be attacked by the feminist brigade. but to your point, i think it was camille paglia, either her or some other feminist who did say that some women dig being smacked around. I've never understood it really either but, the nice guys i've known and the fuckups I've known seem to have different effects on women, the nice guys generally aren't respected or interesting, the fuckups bring drama and sometimes violence. But times have changed, men can't be violent to women without risking serious jail time so I'd say that it's not as common. Any man with any sense knows that all a women has to do in an arguement is pick up the phone and tell the cops the man smacked her and she fixes his ass real quick. Most times the cops will take the womans side. don't back me up all at once guys.

SpookyNopetopus said:

domainator2010 said:

Can you please explain why Apollonia doesn't DO ANYTHING BACK TO HIM???!! In all this time, I've *never* understood that.... is she THAT much in love with him??? Could it even be that women LIKE their men to be violent from time to time, even if, it is in fact THEM that they're being violent towards?? (sounds unbelievable, right?) - but, I mean, it proves that they're MEN, right?? Maybe women need reassurance of that from time to time..? - that is, what they're really looking to know is, if someone tries to harm them, this guy's not gonna take any shit, and will kick the SHIT out of that motherfucker in no time... - and for this *they're* willing to get knocked around, well, just a little? Out of love or something? Wow! Gets my head spinning just thinking about it....

It's a movie. Fiction.

And you DO realize that an abused woman is not mentally healthy enough to strike back at her abuser because she's had the shit beaten out of her for quite a long time. And no, they don't like it, they're just not capable of it without serious help.Good god, you really need to go research what abused women really go through. The fuck is wrong with you.

Its really amazing that you had to type this response.

SpookyNopetopus said:

domainator2010 said:

Can you please explain why Apollonia doesn't DO ANYTHING BACK TO HIM???!! In all this time, I've *never* understood that.... is she THAT much in love with him??? Could it even be that women LIKE their men to be violent from time to time, even if, it is in fact THEM that they're being violent towards?? (sounds unbelievable, right?) - but, I mean, it proves that they're MEN, right?? Maybe women need reassurance of that from time to time..? - that is, what they're really looking to know is, if someone tries to harm them, this guy's not gonna take any shit, and will kick the SHIT out of that motherfucker in no time... - and for this *they're* willing to get knocked around, well, just a little? Out of love or something? Wow! Gets my head spinning just thinking about it....

The fuck is wrong with you.

Yeah, jesus.

blacksignparade said:

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i've heard him mention rape in a couple of his old songs. i understand he doesn't literally mean it but it still doesn't sound right to blurt it out like that.

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xtralovable - i'm sorry but i'm just gonna have to rape you, now will you get into the car or do i have to drag you.

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lust you always - i will rape you if i must.

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yeah, they're unreleased songs but it seems a little wrong to be so blase about such a horrible act.

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Agreed.

BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

I never really heard violent stuff in his music toward women.

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Have you watched Purple Rain?

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The original Chris Brown and Rihanna. Hmm no wonder he wanted to mentor CB.

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SpookyNopetopus said:

EmmaMcG said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

It's a movie. Fiction.

And you DO realize that an abused woman is not mentally healthy enough to strike back at her abuser because she's had the shit beaten out of her for quite a long time. And no, they don't like it, they're just not capable of it without serious help.Good god, you really need to go research what abused women really go through. The fuck is wrong with you.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Although, even though your entire response is correct, you could have stopped after the first sentence and it would have been just as valid. It's a movie. She didn't hit him back because her hitting him back wasn't in the script. In order for The Kid to grow as a person, he has to come to the realisation that he's becoming like his father by himself. Otherwise, it doesn't work as drama. The Kid wants to change and become a better person. You can't have that change come from someone beating it into him. It must come from himself or it doesn't work.

The voice of reason on an insane thread.

SpookyNopetopus said:

And you DO realize that an abused woman is not mentally healthy enough to strike back at her abuser because she's had the shit beaten out of her for quite a long time.

OK, let me just understand this. Step by Step. (cuz this is alien to me, this doesn't happen here in India..) Step no 1) Guy beats shit out of girl. 2) she doesn't DO anything - no cops, no yelling for neighbours' help, not even a phone call to her Dad/brother/other family etc. etc. Step 3) Guy....does it...... AGAIN!! ...and repeat!! Until it becomes, to use your phrase - "quite a long time"!! ....are you out of your fucking MIND???!! I would love to hear an explanation of the psychology behind this, by Americans/Westerners - cause, obfuckingviously, there aren't enough crazy people in the world already..... you guys are nuts like, genetically.

NorthC said:

You're saying violence against women doesn't happen in India???

domainator2010 said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

And you DO realize that an abused woman is not mentally healthy enough to strike back at her abuser because she's had the shit beaten out of her for quite a long time.

OK, let me just understand this. Step by Step. (cuz this is alien to me, this doesn't happen here in India..) Step no 1) Guy beats shit out of girl. 2) she doesn't DO anything - no cops, no yelling for neighbours' help, not even a phone call to her Dad/brother/other family etc. etc. Step 3) Guy....does it...... AGAIN!! ...and repeat!! Until it becomes, to use your phrase - "quite a long time"!! ....are you out of your fucking MIND???!! I would love to hear an explanation of the psychology behind this, by Americans/Westerners - cause, obfuckingviously, there aren't enough crazy people in the world already..... you guys are nuts like, genetically.

Nah, brah, I'm not about to try to educate you on this -- go google and figure it out yourself. Because OBVIOUSLY you're ignoring the HELL out of what happens in your own country. ANYWAY, back to the original subject of the thread.

People these days, I don't even want to be bothered.

EmmaMcG said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

It's a movie. Fiction.

And you DO realize that an abused woman is not mentally healthy enough to strike back at her abuser because she's had the shit beaten out of her for quite a long time. And no, they don't like it, they're just not capable of it without serious help.Good god, you really need to go research what abused women really go through. The fuck is wrong with you.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Although, even though your entire response is correct, you could have stopped after the first sentence and it would have been just as valid. It's a movie. She didn't hit him back because her hitting him back wasn't in the script. In order for The Kid to grow as a person, he has to come to the realisation that he's becoming like his father by himself. Otherwise, it doesn't work as drama. The Kid wants to change and become a better person. You can't have that change come from someone beating it into him. It must come from himself or it doesn't work.

domainator2010 said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

And you DO realize that an abused woman is not mentally healthy enough to strike back at her abuser because she's had the shit beaten out of her for quite a long time.

OK, let me just understand this. Step by Step. (cuz this is alien to me, this doesn't happen here in India..) Step no 1) Guy beats shit out of girl. 2) she doesn't DO anything - no cops, no yelling for neighbours' help, not even a phone call to her Dad/brother/other family etc. etc. Step 3) Guy....does it...... AGAIN!! ...and repeat!! Until it becomes, to use your phrase - "quite a long time"!! ....are you out of your fucking MIND???!! I would love to hear an explanation of the psychology behind this, by Americans/Westerners - cause, obfuckingviously, there aren't enough crazy people in the world already..... you guys are nuts like, genetically.

I won't disagree that americans are nuts but from what we hear about india, that is a real hell on earth for a lot of people. One of my close friends just had two relatives come to america under dire circumstances, one guy had a girlfriend from the wrong religion and so the girls family killed her and tried to kill him, he escaped and ended up getting caught coming in from Mexico. Then, not even a year later another relative came over. Then, we hear about women getting raped, burned which is really sad because Indian women are just so lovely. Fact is, lots of places in the world women get treated like dirt, in china they used to kill girl babies. In america? well, I know violence against women happens but today, in my circle, it's more common to see the henpecked man getting his balls busted and getting his ass chewed by his wife than it is the other way around. Men are such pussies today.

Mandingo said:

laurarichardson said:

Mandingo said: Where is the evidence that he was abusive? Many of these women knew he was running around in fact in many cases he told them from the very beginning.

Controlling a naiive teenager you are the legal guardian of until she has to sneak food from hotel trays cos shes so hungry is abuse.

Constantly making women change their name is a common form of abusers. Think Kunta Kinte. Its not cute..its a form of abuse. Mayte refused to be renamed Arabia. Listen to Love 2 the 9's

Docking your future wife's meagre pay cos you thought she ate what you didn't permit is like some kind of Sharia law Saudi Aribia abuse.

Not supporting your wife after she suffered both a full term death and an early 2nd trimester miscarriage to the point that you won't let her get the remainder of the ded foetus removed cos it may kill her and won't go with her to the surgery and won't tel her to wake up and hold her when a son she just gave birth to is having his life support turned off is not only ONE OF THE BIGGEST DICK MOVES I HAVE EVER HEARD OF it is also abuse

Prince was abusive to fans too...went after them like a cranky old man shouting to kids to get off his lawn on fansites telling. How many ppl bought expensive subcriptions to websites that were scams..never updated..ever

The musician was great but seriously, if a man treated your sister, Mom or friend the way Prince treated Mayte after her pregnancies you would say he was an assholle

Also Mayte has confirmed he cheated on her WITHOUT HER KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT with Jack Nicholson The Joker face superfan gold digger MANuela

that last bolded part is funny!

EmmaMcG said:

NorthC said:

You're saying violence against women doesn't happen in India???

I guess all those reports of women being raped, beaten, murdered and generally just treated like dirt in India is just "fake news"?

I have physically BEEN in both places - the West and here- trust me, it's a HUNDRED TIMES WORSE for you guys. GOD you have a high opinion of yourself. Like, whatever, sister. If you think YOUR shit is better, please, go ahead and stick to that opinion. Take it as far as you WANT, why donchyou? Go ahead and DATE that guy from House of Pain who came up with the lyric "If your girl steps up, I'm smackin the ho" together with a shot of the girl actually getting smacked in the video!!! Ideal boyfriend, right?

PeteSilas said:

one guy had a girlfriend from the wrong religion and so the girls family killed her and tried to kill him,

Yes, this kind of thing, is, sadly, true. This is in the villages faaaaar inside the country, places like Punjab and Rajasthan and all - BLOODY SAVAGES, need to be SHOT.

in my circle, it's more common to see the henpecked man getting his balls busted and getting his ass chewed by his wife than it is the other way around. Men are such pussies today.

Yes, THIS is how it is around THESE parts - no men are pussies quite like US! (actually that came out sounding wrong, but whatever....)

domainator2010 said:

domainator2010 said:

PeteSilas said:

one guy had a girlfriend from the wrong religion and so the girls family killed her and tried to kill him,

Yes, this kind of thing, is, sadly, true. This is in the villages faaaaar inside the country, places like Punjab and Rajasthan and all - BLOODY SAVAGES, need to be SHOT.

in my circle, it's more common to see the henpecked man getting his balls busted and getting his ass chewed by his wife than it is the other way around. Men are such pussies today.

Yes, THIS is how it is around THESE parts - no men are pussies quite like US! (actually that came out sounding wrong, but whatever....)

ya, wouldn't know, it's a big country with many different groups and languages so that makes sense. My friend was badly beaten by police in india for being a member of a certain sect so he came to america. Hes a good guy so like anything else, there are good and bad. funny thing is, he doesn't like his own people (a quirk a lot of people have btw) and avoids Indians.

Astasheiks said:

i guess throwing them into a dumpster is acceptable on this thread...

moonsister said:

I thought her point about not getting enough to eat was her way of saying that she wasn't being treated any better than any other band member even though they were questioning why she was even there. She never said Prince knew she was hungry and did nothing about it. She kicks herself in the butt for being dumb about things, but the pay docking over the whipped cream incident is a dick move, one he was known to make WAY too much. I want someone somewhere to step up and say he told Prince to kiss his ass when he pulled shit like this.

i'm sure it happened many times, he and morris got into a fistfight, someone also insinuated on here that he and andre did too, the lawyer and him, randy phillips got into a fight when Phillips told him 'stop doing a&r with your dick". and as for women, i doubt wendy took shit from him without firing back, robin powers says she didn't take disrespect either. susan rogers also has a story of throwing her money at prince when he tried to fine her, she went off on him and he acted like it didn't even happen afterwards. at any rate, one thing I always think of is, would prince have been prince without being like that? I'm not so sure. It's not easy being a leader like that and trying to be liked at the same time anyway, bastards pretty much run things.

laurarichardson said:

Astasheiks said:

that last bolded part is funny!

Abuse is when someone is forcing it on you. As in if you leave I will kill you. I am not allowing you to go out of my line of vision. I am restraining and restricting your movements. I do not recall anyone not even Mayte saying any of this was occurring. She could have left anytime she wanted both as his employee and wife. The truth of the matter a lot of these women were sprung for him or saw dollars signs because he certainly did not hide his behavior. Was he asshole sure but they knew that going in see sometimes as women we just refused to listen to what men are telling us. They usually make themselves loud and clear we just do not want to see it or it.

who the hell knows but i'm of somewhat the same opinion, whether it's an nfl player complaining how they got cte or a soldier complaining about being exploited. If you're that fucking stupid to put yourself there then blame yourself, don't blame the nfl. but then, i always have told people to fuck off if they were trying to work me.

its what women are willing to take....

What about Purple Music where Prince is losing conscious from a drug and about to be raped by another man?

It's time 4 your morning bath, sir
What would U like 2 bathe in this morning?
With all due respect sir, I think that it ..
I think that it might ..
Oh, oh no
I don't want 2 play anymore

After the song Sister, Prince was probably pushing buttons and wanting to see how controversial he could get. He was trying to find line that he couldn't cross for himself.

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