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There was also this "funny" scene where Jerome threw a woman in a dumpster. [Edited 4/7/17 14:56pm] |
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There was also this "funny" scene where Jerome threw a woman in a dumpster. [Edited 4/7/17 14:56pm] Purple Rain was a movie which was not written by Prince. Come back when you want to leave sterotype land. | |
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No, he did not force her to sit or do anything. She was perfectly free to get up and leave. . Yeah, sure. Prove otherwise. | |
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Oh, come on. This is laughable. Those scenes wouldn't be in the movie, if prince would've had a problem with it. And you know that. [Edited 4/7/17 15:14pm] |
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ludwig said:
Oh, come on. This is laughable. Those scenes wouldn't be in the movie, if prince would've had a problem with it. And you know that. [Edited 4/7/17 15:14pm] The director said that he told Prince he had to be the bad guy in the movie. Because everybody hates rockstars. It was a calculated move that he would not be likable. We have never had any of his ladies say he smacked them around so I would say let's stop confusing a work of fiction with real life. | |
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laurarichardson said: BartVanHemelen said:
Isn't announcing he's annulling his marriage to Mayte while he's forced her to sit next to him at the press conference not disrespecting a woman? Isn't having an affair with a fan while being married to Mayte not disrespecting a woman? Etc. No, he did not force her to sit or do anything. She was perfectly free to get up and leave. Unforunatly, he was unfaithful to her while they were dating which she was well aware of she stayed around and put up with it which put it in his mind that this behavior was cool. As long as Mrs. M1 was living a luxious lifestyle she was happy to put up with his crap as soon as the coins stopped she had an issue. People lie and cheat even in good marriages she needs to except that he was not ready to settle down in the first place. [Edited 4/7/17 7:22am] Has she done something to you? I mean....in a personal way? "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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There was also this "funny" scene where Jerome threw a woman in a dumpster. [Edited 4/7/17 14:56pm] I agree that Prince could be very disrespectful towards women (and men) in some of his song lyrics and actions throughout his life but maybe less so in his later years? Perhaps he grew up a bit. But, in terms of the two scenes from Purple Rain that were brought up here, I think it's important to note the context of these scenes. Firstly, the slap. Or the smack. Or the back-hander or, as my mother would call it, the "jaw warmer" he gives Appolonia. The scene is included to show that if he continues on the path he's on, he'll end up just like his father, which is something he doesn't want to be. It doesn't glamorise violence towards women. If anything, it condemns it because it's the moment in the movie where he realises he needs to change. Secondly, the scene where Morris has the girl thrown in the dumpster. Again, context is key. Morris Day is the villain in Purple Rain. In order to get that point across, the movie has to show him committing villainous acts. And yes, the scene is kind of amusing but it gets his character over quite efficiently. He is a bad guy but he's the kind of bad who might appeal to a certain crowd. But don't forget, he's just playing a character. It's a work of fiction. | |
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Hold up. So, when Prince sings about raping someone, it's just a lyric in a catchy tune? But when he sings an even catchier tune about incest, he's taken literally?!?!! What are the rules for deciphering Prince lyrics again? Calling Dibblekins! Dibblekins? We need your Last-Word-On-Prince-Lyrics expertise here, please?
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Yes, Purple Rain was very misogynistic. I was very disturbed by those scenes when I 1st saw the movie. | |
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NotACleverName said: laurarichardson said: No, he did not force her to sit or do anything. She was perfectly free to get up and leave. Unforunatly, he was unfaithful to her while they were dating which she was well aware of she stayed around and put up with it which put it in his mind that this behavior was cool. As long as Mrs. M1 was living a luxious lifestyle she was happy to put up with his crap as soon as the coins stopped she had an issue. People lie and cheat even in good marriages she needs to except that he was not ready to settle down in the first place. [Edited 4/7/17 7:22am] Has she done something to you? I mean....in a personal way? --- No,I have explained my issues which are clear and concise | |
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SquirrelMeat said: phatphuk said: Hold up. So, when Prince sings about raping someone, it's just a lyric in a catchy tune? But when he sings an even catchier tune about incest, he's taken literally?!?! Thats a very good point. Also, he's spent half of his career singing about a magically sky fairy that knows all, but people take it in their stride because their parents or community told them the sky fairy is real. Hey SquirrelMeat! Haven't seen any posts from you in a while. Glad to see you're still around
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1) Dana Scully is awesome | |
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, and 2) As a general note to whoever it may concern, I never said Prince didn't have a right to sing about whatever he wanted to. I'm onboard with freedom of speech and I think the whole PMRC thing was bullshit. With that said, I'm still free to criticize anything within P's lyrics that I might find tasteless in some serious way, and I'm only doing it because I actually give a shit about Prince and his music. There are thought-provoking and artistic ways to explore the dark side of humanity, I just don't think that rape references in what are otherwise throwaway (albeit great) dance-funk songs are particularly deep or worthy of defense. And quite frankly, I don't give a shit if anyone finds my opinion ridiculous, because it's not keeping you from enjoying those songs in any way.
Oh, I totally think he meant it in an S and M way, hence my remark | |
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. And we've all seen the Automatic video, he don't believe that shit either 
!EmmaMcG said: ludwig said: BartVanHemelen said: laurarichardson said: I never really heard violent stuff in his music toward women. . Have you watched Purple Rain? .
There was also this "funny" scene where Jerome threw a woman in a dumpster. I agree that Prince could be very disrespectful towards women (and men) in some of his song lyrics and actions throughout his life but maybe less so in his later years? Perhaps he grew up a bit. But, in terms of the two scenes from Purple Rain that were brought up here, I think it's important to note the context of these scenes. Firstly, the slap. Or the smack. Or the back-hander or, as my mother would call it, the "jaw warmer" he gives Appolonia. The scene is included to show that if he continues on the path he's on, he'll end up just like his father, which is something he doesn't want to be. It doesn't glamorise violence towards women. If anything, it condemns it because it's the moment in the movie where he realises he needs to change. Secondly, the scene where Morris has the girl thrown in the dumpster. Again, context is key. Morris Day is the villain in Purple Rain. In order to get that point across, the movie has to show him committing villainous acts. And yes, the scene is kind of amusing but it gets his character over quite efficiently. He is a bad guy but he's the kind of bad who might appeal to a certain crowd. But don't forget, he's just playing a character. It's a work of fiction. What about the non-consensual sodomy scene — or, as my great-great grandmother would call it, "buggery" — that was cut to make the PG rating? What would you say is the context for something like that?
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phatphuk said: EmmaMcG said: ludwig said: BartVanHemelen said: laurarichardson said: I never really heard violent stuff in his music toward women. . Have you watched Purple Rain? .
There was also this "funny" scene where Jerome threw a woman in a dumpster. I agree that Prince could be very disrespectful towards women (and men) in some of his song lyrics and actions throughout his life but maybe less so in his later years? Perhaps he grew up a bit. But, in terms of the two scenes from Purple Rain that were brought up here, I think it's important to note the context of these scenes. Firstly, the slap. Or the smack. Or the back-hander or, as my mother would call it, the "jaw warmer" he gives Appolonia. The scene is included to show that if he continues on the path he's on, he'll end up just like his father, which is something he doesn't want to be. It doesn't glamorise violence towards women. If anything, it condemns it because it's the moment in the movie where he realises he needs to change. Secondly, the scene where Morris has the girl thrown in the dumpster. Again, context is key. Morris Day is the villain in Purple Rain. In order to get that point across, the movie has to show him committing villainous acts. And yes, the scene is kind of amusing but it gets his character over quite efficiently. He is a bad guy but he's the kind of bad who might appeal to a certain crowd. But don't forget, he's just playing a character. It's a work of fiction. What about the non-consensual sodomy scene — or, as my great-great grandmother would call it, "buggery" — that was cut to make the PG rating? What would you say is the context for something like that?
That scene is irrelevant because it was cut from the movie, therefore it's not a scene which features in Purple Rain. And because it's not present in the final cut, it would be impossible for me to give my opinion on it as I've never seen it. But if such a scene was left in the movie I'd still think it ridiculous to point to that scene as evidence of Prince's disrespect of women. It's a work of FICTION. It would be like complaining about Anthony Hopkins having a disrespect for human life because he played a cannibal or complaining about Michael Douglas disrespecting women because of a similar scene in Basic Instinct. They're just movies with actors playing characters which were written by a writer. To complain about things like that is not only stupid, but unhealthy. If you're looking for examples of Prince disrespecting women, you could point to him sleeping around despite having a girlfriend. But to condemn someone for song lyrics in which it's never clear if he's speaking from the heart or merely playing a role or, worse still, to condemn him for playing a role in a movie that he didn't write nor direct, is ridiculous. | |
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phatphuk said: EmmaMcG said: ludwig said: BartVanHemelen said: laurarichardson said: I never really heard violent stuff in his music toward women. . Have you watched Purple Rain? .
There was also this "funny" scene where Jerome threw a woman in a dumpster. I agree that Prince could be very disrespectful towards women (and men) in some of his song lyrics and actions throughout his life but maybe less so in his later years? Perhaps he grew up a bit. But, in terms of the two scenes from Purple Rain that were brought up here, I think it's important to note the context of these scenes. Firstly, the slap. Or the smack. Or the back-hander or, as my mother would call it, the "jaw warmer" he gives Appolonia. The scene is included to show that if he continues on the path he's on, he'll end up just like his father, which is something he doesn't want to be. It doesn't glamorise violence towards women. If anything, it condemns it because it's the moment in the movie where he realises he needs to change. Secondly, the scene where Morris has the girl thrown in the dumpster. Again, context is key. Morris Day is the villain in Purple Rain. In order to get that point across, the movie has to show him committing villainous acts. And yes, the scene is kind of amusing but it gets his character over quite efficiently. He is a bad guy but he's the kind of bad who might appeal to a certain crowd. But don't forget, he's just playing a character. It's a work of fiction. What about the non-consensual sodomy scene — or, as my great-great grandmother would call it, "buggery" — that was cut to make the PG rating? What would you say is the context for something like that?
The scene was in a early version of the script was not filmed. | |
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Yes, essentially I agree with you in this instance, so I don’t think it’s a ridiculous opinion at all. We should remember that these are leaked tracks not intended for public consumption though, so what exactly are we criticising here? The fact that Prince had these subversive thoughts and chose to reflect them privately in his work? Perhaps it wasn’t even that deep and he simply wanted to shock (a consequence of youth and a lack of judgemnet). In either case it’s a shame, Extraloveable is a superb track otherwise. [Edited 4/8/17 13:48pm] |
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just "pushing the envelope" off the table | |
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as far as jennifer beals being the interviewee above I don't know. I heard that she wasn't cast because she was too tall for the role and also, those statements sound pretty mature and Beal seemed like a kid in the behind the scenes footage of Flashdance I've seen and I don't think she'd be capable of giving those kinds of insights. Also, as far as morality, Beal had just played an 18 year old stripper who gets wooed by a 37 year old man. 18 year olds that I have known are generally pretty naive and easy to con, hell, how do we know if she didn't go the casting couch route for Flashdance. She doesn't seem a natural for the role, and it came out later that she did very little of the dancing. | |
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I think Prince was the greatest musical star of our time.
That said as a man and if he wasn't an adored idol...he would have been considered an asshole, mysoginist and abusive. Immature and out of touch.
But we all have our faults.
I feel the whole Prince legacy is becoming life the argument that ensued on whether christ was divine or a messenger.
I like to remember the musician..the man seems like he was a dick. Sorry, but a lot of hardcore fans like myself are reading Mayte's book and its like finding out James Brown was a wife beater
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Mandingo said: I think Prince was the greatest musical star of our time.
That said as a man and if he wasn't an adored idol...he would have been considered an asshole, mysoginist and abusive. Immature and out of touch.
But we all have our faults.
I feel the whole Prince legacy is becoming life the argument that ensued on whether christ was divine or a messenger.
I like to remember the musician..the man seems like he was a dick. Sorry, but a lot of hardcore fans like myself are reading Mayte's book and its like finding out James Brown was a wife beater
r.i.p Where is the evidence that he was abusive? Many of these women knew he was running around in fact in many cases he told them from the very beginning. | |
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FFS.
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They werent even released or meant for public consumption, hence them being unreleased. On another note, when he there been a time when rape wasnt something dispicable regardless of the time? lol "Climb in my fur." | |
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Controlling a naiive teenager you are the legal guardian of until she has to sneak food from hotel trays cos shes so hungry is abuse.
Constantly making women change their name is a common form of abusers. Think Kunta Kinte. Its not cute..its a form of abuse. Mayte refused to be renamed Arabia. Listen to Love 2 the 9's
Docking your future wife's meagre pay cos you thought she ate what you didn't permit is like some kind of Sharia law Saudi Aribia abuse.
Not supporting your wife after she suffered both a full term death and an early 2nd trimester miscarriage to the point that you won't let her get the remainder of the ded foetus removed cos it may kill her and won't go with her to the surgery and won't tel her to wake up and hold her when a son she just gave birth to is having his life support turned off is not only ONE OF THE BIGGEST DICK MOVES I HAVE EVER HEARD OF it is also abuse
Prince was abusive to fans too...went after them like a cranky old man shouting to kids to get off his lawn on fansites telling. How many ppl bought expensive subcriptions to websites that were scams..never updated..ever
The musician was great but seriously, if a man treated your sister, Mom or friend the way Prince treated Mayte after her pregnancies you would say he was an assholle
Also Mayte has confirmed he cheated on her WITHOUT HER KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT with Jack Nicholson The Joker face superfan gold digger MANuela
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I was agreeing with you for the most part. I just meant even in the times of the 70's a rape line would have been frowned on but I get where you are coming from regarding the statement between two ppl in a relationship etc.
Im just smh at these folks poo pooing on him for the words rape in songs they arent even meant to have heard aka bootlegs. LOL "Climb in my fur." | |
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EmmaMcG said: phatphuk said: EmmaMcG said: ludwig said: BartVanHemelen said: laurarichardson said: I never really heard violent stuff in his music toward women. . Have you watched Purple Rain? . There was also this "funny" scene where Jerome threw a woman in a dumpster. I agree that Prince could be very disrespectful towards women (and men) in some of his song lyrics and actions throughout his life but maybe less so in his later years? Perhaps he grew up a bit.
But, in terms of the two scenes from Purple Rain that were brought up here, I think it's important to note the context of these scenes. Firstly, the slap. Or the smack. Or the back-hander or, as my mother would call it, the "jaw warmer" he gives Appolonia. The scene is included to show that if he continues on the path he's on, he'll end up just like his father, which is something he doesn't want to be. It doesn't glamorise violence towards women. If anything, it condemns it because it's the moment in the movie where he realises he needs to change.
Secondly, the scene where Morris has the girl thrown in the dumpster. Again, context is key. Morris Day is the villain in Purple Rain. In order to get that point across, the movie has to show him committing villainous acts. And yes, the scene is kind of amusing but it gets his character over quite efficiently. He is a bad guy but he's the kind of bad who might appeal to a certain crowd. But don't forget, he's just playing a character. It's a work of fiction. What about the non-consensual sodomy scene — or, as my great-great grandmother would call it, "buggery" — that was cut to make the PG rating?
What would you say is the context for something like that? That scene is irrelevant because it was cut from the movie, therefore it's not a scene which features in Purple Rain. And because it's not present in the final cut, it would be impossible for me to give my opinion on it as I've never seen it. But if such a scene was left in the movie I'd still think it ridiculous to point to that scene as evidence of Prince's disrespect of women. It's a work of FICTION. It would be like complaining about Anthony Hopkins having a disrespect for human life because he played a cannibal or complaining about Michael Douglas disrespecting women because of a similar scene in Basic Instinct. They're just movies with actors playing characters which were written by a writer. To complain about things like that is not only stupid, but unhealthy. If you're looking for examples of Prince disrespecting women, you could point to him sleeping around despite having a girlfriend. But to condemn someone for song lyrics in which it's never clear if he's speaking from the heart or merely playing a role or, worse still, to condemn him for playing a role in a movie that he didn't write nor direct, is ridiculous. Very insightful reply. Thanks EmmaMcG. But then I have always enjoyed your posts So let me ask you this then, EmmaMcG? What about Sister? Do you think Prince is singing about a literal, real-life, autobiographical incestuous encounter with his flesh-and-blood older sister? If you answer Yes. I believe the song Sister is a literal telling of an actual act of incest between Prince and his older sister, then my next question would be: Could it be that Prince's disrespect toward women in some way stems from — or might be directly caused by — that incest event in his formative adolescence?
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