benni said:

And it is not unusual for a small child to think an angel talked to them, especially if they were going through some sort of trauma or difficult childhood. When I was 6, being abused and witnessing domestic violence, one night after I had said my prayers and crawled into bed, I heard a voice tell me, "Good night, b. Sleep well. You've been a good girl today. I love you." I didn't understand what was happening, ran into the living room where my mom and dad were, and asked them if they had just told me good night. Both denied it and my dad searched the house. No one was ever found. I slept that night without nightmares and without anything bad happening that night. From that moment on, I believed Jesus had spoken to me, later a preacher told me that he didn't believe Jesus would speak with people like that, and that it must have been an angel.

I totally believe u. It's biblical that angels do and will speak to us and heal us as well. But like angels, Jesus himself will speak to us, too. So I beg to differ with the pastor. Great story. I wish I could share some of mine with u.

Yeah, he said that on the Tavis Smiley show, about being cured of epilepsy.

Hell, he was five. maybe he'd gone from a lot of seizures to none for a long period of time, like a year or so -- he wanted to believe they were gone for good. But epilepsy doesn't go away -- it may lie dormant for years or whatever (if I can remember my medical training correctly, I'm a bit fuzzy on that kinda thing.), but it eventually resurfaces. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did happen every now and then over the course of Prince's life. Obviously, I have no idea if that's true, but it's far more reasonable than some of the odd theories we're getting 'round here.

Yeah, he looked thin and tired that last week -- and a lot of it was the fact that he was a 57 year old man who had to be reminded to eat, but was working like a crazy fool as usual, rather than knocking it the heck off and resting and eating. He wasn't going to look like a kid forever, and the body does change. Was he also really, really sick? Don't know, maybe. I can't say that I've spent a lot of time over the years watching him.

The drug that Dr. K's son allegedly had with him -- Suboxone -- is not an overdose treatment (you're probably thinking of Narcan, which Prince allegedly received at least one shot of after the plane incident). Suboxone is used to ease symptoms of opioid withdrawal in people being treated for opioid dependence/addiction.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Prince never got the test results, that was why Dr S said he showed up at PP on the 21st for...to give him his test results. So Dr k sent his son in with pills for an OD that no one ...not even Prince knew was going to happen. The person that called dr k knew.

disch said:

No, Suboxone doesn't "ease symptoms of fentanyl." It eases the symptoms of withdrawal from any kind of opioid in someone undergoing treatment for addiction/dependence. Withdrawal symptoms can happen over an extended period of time when someone who is addicted/dependent (i.e., has been taking opioids regularly) stops taking them. For example, if someone had stopped taking opioids a few days earlier and was having problems with withdrawal symptoms, or if they were taking opioids and were preparing to stop taking them (perhaps they had tried stopping before, but had been overwhelmed by withdrawal symptoms), suboxone might enter the picture. Suboxone wouldn't be used to treat an OD.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

The drug that Dr. K's son allegedly had with him -- Suboxone -- is not an overdose treatment (you're probably thinking of Narcan, which Prince allegedly received at least one shot of after the plane incident). Suboxone is used to ease symptoms of opioid withdrawal in people being treated for opioid dependence/addiction.

Yes that's correct, but Suboxone can also be used to ease symptoms of fentanyl. someone still knew he was going to Have a fentanyl laced pill and I don't think Prince himself even knew that. But...Seems Andrew came prepared to deal with a fentanyl OD.

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

benni said:

And it is not unusual for a small child to think an angel talked to them, especially if they were going through some sort of trauma or difficult childhood. When I was 6, being abused and witnessing domestic violence, one night after I had said my prayers and crawled into bed, I heard a voice tell me, "Good night, b. Sleep well. You've been a good girl today. I love you." I didn't understand what was happening, ran into the living room where my mom and dad were, and asked them if they had just told me good night. Both denied it and my dad searched the house. No one was ever found. I slept that night without nightmares and without anything bad happening that night. From that moment on, I believed Jesus had spoken to me, later a preacher told me that he didn't believe Jesus would speak with people like that, and that it must have been an angel.

Agree^^^^ thanks for sharing that Benni. Believe Angels do exist.

Yes, I agree. I believe they exist as well.

I agree with you laurarichardson.

What do you think would have happen if they had given him the Suboxone because Dr. S and the other physician would not have known what Prince took the night before? Or do you think it would not have mattered what he took since the Suboxone was going to ease his sympthoms? I wonder if that is the reason who took something the night before like he knew he was getting help in the morning so it would not matter what he took and of course he could have been hurting since he was also supposed to go to some hoslitic center. They would have only had the test he took earlier on the 20th. I keep wondering what kind of Dr. would give him this stuff with no up to date test. If he went into a rehab he would have received a check up when he checked into the facility. Just seems like bad medical treatment to me.

disch said:

No, Suboxone doesn't "ease symptoms of fentanyl." It eases the symptoms of withdrawal from any kind of opioid in someone undergoing treatment for addiction/dependence. Withdrawal symptoms can happen over an extended period of time when someone who is addicted/dependent (i.e., has been taking opioids regularly) stops taking them. For example, if someone had stopped taking opioids a few days earlier and was having problems with withdrawal symptoms, or if they were taking opioids and were preparing to stop taking them (perhaps they had tried stopping before, but had been overwhelmed by withdrawal symptoms), suboxone might enter the picture. Suboxone wouldn't be used to treat an OD.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said: Yes that's correct, but Suboxone can also be used to ease symptoms of fentanyl. someone still knew he was going to Have a fentanyl laced pill and I don't think Prince himself even knew that. But...Seems Andrew came prepared to deal with a fentanyl OD.

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Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

He went to Walgreen with Rxs that Dr. S wrote for him and they did not find any controlled substances were every picked up in the state of Minnesota by him or written for him. He was going to that pharmacy to get reall Rxs for something. Why can't you get that in your head? He had a 65k line item on his in ventory sheet for medical expenses not for illegal drugs.

Something was going on with his health

This is true. This is the thing that makes me question what was happening health wise. What medications were being picked up and how were there 65k of medical expenses - what does this relate to?

We've said this for a while and it keeps heading back to this question.

muleFunk said:

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

$65k equation all depends if he had insurance or not. The moline incident and the last medical stuff could have added up to that with a emergency room, hospital, ambulance etc, if there was no insurance.

Im skeptical that $65k in medical expenses would be incurred for the Moline incident without insurance. But maybe someone who works in the insurance industry could educate us.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

$65k equation all depends if he had insurance or not. The moline incident and the last medical stuff could have added up to that with a emergency room, hospital, ambulance etc, if there was no insurance.

Im skeptical that $65k in medical expenses would be incurred for the Moline incident without insurance. But maybe someone who works in the insurance industry could educate us.

ER expenses are HIGH! My son once took an overdose of baby aspirins and we didn't know how much he had taken and called the hospital. They told us to get him in there and I asked if we could just give him some Syrup of Ipecac and they said no. We got him there, they gave him two doses of Syrup of Ipecac and those 2 doses (for an over the counter $8.00 bottle) cost us $54 for one dose. It didn't include the cost for the doctor or the cost for the room or the cost for the visit. Also, the first time I went to the ER with a blood clot, it was over $54,000 for blood tests, other tests, doctor fees, room fees, and medications. I was admitted (and the whole stay for 22 days was a half a million dollars). ER costs add up quickly.

I know this sounds weird but I think I saw him have a partial seizure in an interview once. During the hour long Canadian interview in 2004 (wonderful interview that I have watched 2 or 3 times), he is holding a microphone and his hand started getting shaky. It could have been a muscle spasm but I thought it was kind of weird...

Here is the clip... (its a little bit after the 31 minute mark after he discussed studio rehab)

https://www.youtube.com/w...xoguOLft10

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

$65k equation all depends if he had insurance or not. The moline incident and the last medical stuff could have added up to that with a emergency room, hospital, ambulance etc, if there was no insurance.

Im skeptical that $65k in medical expenses would be incurred for the Moline incident without insurance. But maybe someone who works in the insurance industry could educate us.

I have spoken to a few people who work in the insurance industry and that is not reasonable for an ambulance ride and emergecy room vist to a public hospital.

I have had a family member who has asthma and who has gone to the emergency room recently and it was no where near this much. Remember when John Blackwell was in Japan his wife was trying to raise 40k to pay for a ambulance Airplane to bring him to Florida.

How can an air ambluance cost 40k going from Japan to Florida and a ride in an ambulance in the midwest cost 65k

benni said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im skeptical that $65k in medical expenses would be incurred for the Moline incident without insurance. But maybe someone who works in the insurance industry could educate us.

ER expenses are HIGH! My son once took an overdose of baby aspirins and we didn't know how much he had taken and called the hospital. They told us to get him in there and I asked if we could just give him some Syrup of Ipecac and they said no. We got him there, they gave him two doses of Syrup of Ipecac and those 2 doses (for an over the counter $8.00 bottle) cost us $54 for one dose. It didn't include the cost for the doctor or the cost for the room or the cost for the visit. Also, the first time I went to the ER with a blood clot, it was over $54,000 for blood tests, other tests, doctor fees, room fees, and medications. I was admitted (and the whole stay for 22 days was a half a million dollars). ER costs add up quickly.

You need to look hard at your bill. I have caught double and triple charges on a few hospital bills. So you may have been double charged.

purplerabbithole said:

I know this sounds weird but I think I saw him have a partial seizure in an interview once. During the hour long Canadian interview in 2004 (wonderful interview that I have watched 2 or 3 times), he is holding a microphone and his hand started getting shaky. It could have been a muscle spasm but I thought it was kind of weird...

Here is the clip... (its a little bit after the 31 minute mark after he discussed studio rehab)

https://www.youtube.com/w...xoguOLft10

[Edited 3/29/17 22:04pm]

Your're right Right after the word "aftershows". It's actually pretty obvious.

[Edited 3/30/17 7:55am]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

paulludvig said:

benni said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im skeptical that $65k in medical expenses would be incurred for the Moline incident without insurance. But maybe someone who works in the insurance industry could educate us.

ER expenses are HIGH! My son once took an overdose of baby aspirins and we didn't know how much he had taken and called the hospital. They told us to get him in there and I asked if we could just give him some Syrup of Ipecac and they said no. We got him there, they gave him two doses of Syrup of Ipecac and those 2 doses (for an over the counter $8.00 bottle) cost us $54 for one dose. It didn't include the cost for the doctor or the cost for the room or the cost for the visit. Also, the first time I went to the ER with a blood clot, it was over $54,000 for blood tests, other tests, doctor fees, room fees, and medications. I was admitted (and the whole stay for 22 days was a half a million dollars). ER costs add up quickly.

Your right Benni, ER visits can add up to serious dollar amounts. In addition, although I don’t know this to be true for a fact; I would imagine that there were substantial additional fees for the emergency landing. Air traffic controllers having to reroute planes, making sure there was a runway open, space at the airport, flight plan changed for landing and leaving the next day, screening emergency staff and letting the ambulance and medical staff on the airport grounds (don’t know what TSA rules are with regard to emergency personnel). I wonder how much the emergency landing alone cost since it was not a scheduled airport event. I wouldn't think many of us have experience with the costs involved with hiring a private jet. ~peace

DD55 said:

benni said:

ER expenses are HIGH! My son once took an overdose of baby aspirins and we didn't know how much he had taken and called the hospital. They told us to get him in there and I asked if we could just give him some Syrup of Ipecac and they said no. We got him there, they gave him two doses of Syrup of Ipecac and those 2 doses (for an over the counter $8.00 bottle) cost us $54 for one dose. It didn't include the cost for the doctor or the cost for the room or the cost for the visit. Also, the first time I went to the ER with a blood clot, it was over $54,000 for blood tests, other tests, doctor fees, room fees, and medications. I was admitted (and the whole stay for 22 days was a half a million dollars). ER costs add up quickly.

Your right Benni, ER visits can add up to serious dollar amounts. In addition, although I don’t know this to be true for a fact; I would imagine that there were substantial additional fees for the emergency landing. Air traffic controllers having to reroute planes, making sure there was a runway open, space at the airport, flight plan changed for landing and leaving the next day, screening emergency staff and letting the ambulance and medical staff on the airport grounds (don’t know what TSA rules are with regard to emergency personnel). I wonder how much the emergency landing alone cost since it was not a scheduled airport event. I wouldn't think many of us have experience with the costs involved with hiring a private jet. ~peace

i went to t he er was there less than 10 minutes all the doctor did was asked me where i was hurting told me taka advil. they gave me no meds, test or nothing bill was 1200.00 for that price i could of stayed at paisley park for two weeks

DD55 said:

DD55 said:

benni said:

ER expenses are HIGH! My son once took an overdose of baby aspirins and we didn't know how much he had taken and called the hospital. They told us to get him in there and I asked if we could just give him some Syrup of Ipecac and they said no. We got him there, they gave him two doses of Syrup of Ipecac and those 2 doses (for an over the counter $8.00 bottle) cost us $54 for one dose. It didn't include the cost for the doctor or the cost for the room or the cost for the visit. Also, the first time I went to the ER with a blood clot, it was over $54,000 for blood tests, other tests, doctor fees, room fees, and medications. I was admitted (and the whole stay for 22 days was a half a million dollars). ER costs add up quickly.

Your right Benni, ER visits can add up to serious dollar amounts. In addition, although I don’t know this to be true for a fact; I would imagine that there were substantial additional fees for the emergency landing. Air traffic controllers having to reroute planes, making sure there was a runway open, space at the airport, flight plan changed for landing and leaving the next day, screening emergency staff and letting the ambulance and medical staff on the airport grounds (don’t know what TSA rules are with regard to emergency personnel). I wonder how much the emergency landing alone cost since it was not a scheduled airport event. I wouldn't think many of us have experience with the costs involved with hiring a private jet. ~peace

The medical expense would have nothing to do with air traffic control issues. The inventory sheet is for the IRS and medical expenses are medical expenses and nothing else. Also remember we do not know how long he was seeing Dr. S as I am sure he had fees that he charged.

laurarichardson said:

paulludvig said:

Your're right Right after the word "aftershows". It's actually pretty obvious.

[Edited 3/30/17 7:55am]

Notice that he does not stop talking or even flinch. I wonder if this was a seizure or some other nerve issue as we saw the ace bandages hanging out from under his wrist bands.

If anyone has seen the rehearsal footage at First Ave in 1986, it looks like he may have had a seizure then too. He was shaking on the ground and then as he spoke to the crowd his arm was motioning back and forth

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

Your right Benni, ER visits can add up to serious dollar amounts. In addition, although I don’t know this to be true for a fact; I would imagine that there were substantial additional fees for the emergency landing. Air traffic controllers having to reroute planes, making sure there was a runway open, space at the airport, flight plan changed for landing and leaving the next day, screening emergency staff and letting the ambulance and medical staff on the airport grounds (don’t know what TSA rules are with regard to emergency personnel). I wonder how much the emergency landing alone cost since it was not a scheduled airport event. I wouldn't think many of us have experience with the costs involved with hiring a private jet. ~peace

The medical expense would have nothing to do with air traffic control issues. The inventory sheet is for the IRS and medical expenses are medical expenses and nothing else. Also remember we do not know how long he was seeing Dr. S as I am sure he had fees that he charged.

Often-overlooked medical deductions:

• Travel expenses to and from medical treatments.

As mentioned above, I was guessing and at what might contribute to the 62K in medical expenses listed. I do know mileage is deductable, (if you can deduct medical expenses), perhaps someone on the board has tax knowledge? ~peace

i read on an opiod page that opiods can cause seizures.

Ibuprofen can cause a seizure too.

muleFunk said:

PeteSilas said: