80tomato said:

PeteSilas said:

the cook gave some of the best insight into Prince's health in the last days than anyone and it's ironic that his was one of the earliest interviews, i think it was like in the next day or two of Prince's passing.

Hey Pete ...do you mean no one had a chance to tell him to keep his mouth shut....

oh no, i don't mean anything conspiratorial, i'm just saying it's ironic that one of the most honest and eye opening insights was revealed so quickly. Prince was so guarded that the flood of stories we are getting about how he was in private are revelatory. but, i don't think the cooks have much knowledge other than what they said which equated to "something was wrong" but they didn't know much more than that. He had throat problems and couldn't handle much in the way of foods.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

Thank you I have been saying this for over a year. If he was taking these pain pills for years they could have done terrible damage to his organs. Rx or no Rx no doctor is going to prescribed you pain meds if you have organ damage but he may have still had pain or just had become to dependent on them to stop. Going cold turkey is not an option so he may have been on outpatient rehab to ween off. We know it was said he was seeing Dr. S for that reason originally and Dr S did not give him any controlled substances and they found no doctor shopping which is odd for the so-called strung out drug addict. Nothing adds up to just plain old old dope head.

Once again no one has ever used the termimology you do when referring to him. If you would let whatever bias you have towards those who struggle with addiction you might actually see the light. Until then it's pointless to attempt any reasonable discussion you are part of. People who use opiates without a doctor's direction at some point finds themselves in dire straights and it's logical that's the point he reached. Nothing more, nothing less. We don't know what he was seeing Dr s for but assuming Kirk suggested it is even more proof his inner circle were concerned. I work for a number of family practice physicians who manage pain medications for dozens of patients. Your use of the word "quack" is offensive, insulting and just plain ignorant. Another reason your opinions should not be taken seriously by anyone.

Who are you adressing, Sonshine?

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

Thank you I have been saying this for over a year. If he was taking these pain pills for years they could have done terrible damage to his organs. Rx or no Rx no doctor is going to prescribed you pain meds if you have organ damage but he may have still had pain or just had become to dependent on them to stop. Going cold turkey is not an option so he may have been on outpatient rehab to ween off. We know it was said he was seeing Dr. S for that reason originally and Dr S did not give him any controlled substances and they found no doctor shopping which is odd for the so-called strung out drug addict. Nothing adds up to just plain old old dope head.

Once again no one has ever used the termimology you do when referring to him. If you would let whatever bias you have towards those who struggle with addiction you might actually see the light. Until then it's pointless to attempt any reasonable discussion you are part of. People who use opiates without a doctor's direction at some point finds themselves in dire straights and it's logical that's the point he reached. Nothing more, nothing less. We don't know what he was seeing Dr s for but assuming Kirk suggested it is even more proof his inner circle were concerned. I work for a number of family practice physicians who manage pain medications for dozens of patients. Your use of the word "quack" is offensive, insulting and just plain ignorant. Another reason your opinions should not be taken seriously by anyone.

but...quacks exist, look at dr. murray. I've dealt with a couple firsthand. somehow they fool the certifiers but they do exist.

MMJas said:

The person who uses the "old dope head" and simlilar vocabulary.

PeteSilas said:

Sadly, this is true. I always say that degree on the wall doesn't always tell the whole story. "C's make degrees" lol Working in the field my entire life has given me some advantage as far as navigating the complex world of healthcare. I feel real empathy for patients doing it without "inside information".

sonshine said:

PeteSilas said:

but...quacks exist, look at dr. murray. I've dealt with a couple firsthand. somehow they fool the certifiers but they do exist.

Sadly, this is true. I always say that degree on the wall doesn't always tell the whole story. "C's make degrees" lol Working in the field my entire life has given me some advantage as far as navigating the complex world of healthcare. I feel real empathy for patients doing it without "inside information".

honestly, i don't trust doctors at all, not one bit. I've said it since Prince died, although we do not know everything, we do know that black people (I'm Indian) are like my own when it comes to trusting doctors, practically none, and Prince was black. Even MJ, as bleached and white as he tried to get, you could see he hired a black doctor and had some suspicion for white people. That doesn't just magically go away overnight. I've got stories for you.

PeteSilas said:

honestly, i don't trust doctors at all, not one bit. I've said it since Prince died, although we do not know everything, we do know that black people (I'm Indian) are like my own when it comes to trusting doctors, practically none, and Prince was black. Even MJ, as bleached and white as he tried to get, you could see he hired a black doctor and had some suspicion for white people. That doesn't just magically go away overnight. I've got stories for you.

Rightly so. The practice of medicine isn't what it used to be. It's a machine now and it needs to be fed. Healthy people don't feed the machine. I have a doctor in my family, retired now but still in the know and well-connected. He's shocked by what he sees and hears about in the world of medicine.

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rogifan said:

--Who ever was responsible for hiring them .

sonshine said:

-- 1) Never said anyone did use that terminology but what you and others are saying about him is actually what the average person would think.
2) I have no bias against drug addicts as I know a few and I am telling you have never seen no drug addict work they way he did. He must have been superhuman.
3) Do some research if you can on Dr.S no background in addition or pain mgnt but he was listed on one website as a critical care doctor.
4) Dr. K is a quack. Do some research it has been discussed
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rogifan said:

Strive said:

Sadly, I think he committed suicide.

The Carver County Sheriff said in a press conference a few days after he passed that they were not treating it as a suicide.

Just because there wasn't an explicit note saying 'i've decided to kill myself. goodbye', doesn't mean it was an accident.

Ultimately the truth died with Prince but the fact he was struggling with a drug problem for years, overdosed five days earlier and had such an large amount of drugs in his system at the time of his death (coincidentally hours before an addiction specialist his friends requested was set to arrive) along with the location where he was found makes me think it was deliberate.

Unless there's other overdoses we don't know about.

Strive said:[quote]

rogifan said:

Strive said:

Sadly, I think he committed suicide.

The Carver County Sheriff said in a press conference a few days after he passed that they were not treating it as a suicide.

Just because there wasn't an explicit note saying 'i've decided to kill myself. goodbye', doesn't mean it was an accident.

Ultimately the truth died with Prince but the fact he was struggling with a drug problem for years, overdosed five days earlier and had such an large amount of drugs in his system at the time of his death (coincidentally hours before an addiction specialist his friends requested was set to arrive) along with the location where he was found makes me think it was deliberate.

Unless there's other overdoses we don't know about.

1)-Professional people are working on this case. They have probaly interviewed hundreds of people and combed through thousands of documents. They did not rule this a suicide. 2) We still do not even know what happened on the plane because of of the Intel came from TMZ 3) Why does his location make you think it was deliberate most people who kill themselves are usually in their beds or in the bath room not in elavators. 4) If we do not know about these other overdoses hiw do you know they occurred remember he put himself out ther for drinking too much and the 96 incident involved wine. In short we know nothing.

Strive said:

Is it a fact he was struggling with drug problem for years? Who has confirmed it? I don't know how the Carver County sheriff's office came to the conclusion it wasn't suicide but if they weren't sure or couldn't rule it out why would they say it wasn't?

rogifan said:

--No one said anything about him struggling with drug use for years people are making up their own narrative.

PRINCE had no circle. I keep hearing his circle like he was in conversations with people constantly. He was on tour alone, just so happens his first tour like this ever just when he begins to "look" different, ILL in Pain whatever the cause the first thing you do when you want no QUESTIONS is dismiss everyone, which he did. From the way he toured with 3EG and the entourage of Montreux shows, he got rid of everyone around him except for an assistant and Kirk and who else Judith? that is not a circle. And those were people especially KIRK that would never "question" anything about him and never did.

Also the idea of why didnt they intervene, well who was going to do that? Kirk? Judith? From Judith's story she was talking to him on the plane after the concert that night and his eyes closed, which means he literally was peforming most likely while taking this medication. since the effects were occuring then he basically was already out of control. The FLU stories we can almost assume may have been other incidents of just not being able to get it together to go on. But again no one is ever gonna know because the only real source is gone.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

Is it a fact he was struggling with drug problem for years? Who has confirmed it? I don't know how the Carver County sheriff's office came to the conclusion it wasn't suicide but if they weren't sure or couldn't rule it out why would they say it wasn't?

--No one said anything about him struggling with drug use for years people are making up their own narrative.

Two of his siblings confided to their lawyer that he had a drug problem before they died, there were rumors that he was addicted to painkilllers in 2009 (http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...-doctors/) and his behavior (hiding drugs in vitamin bottles) suggests that it's a long term thing.

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laurarichardson said:[quote]

Strive said:

I'm still struggling to understand how an incident from 1996 relates to something that happened 20 years later. That was an incident. If someone has a little to much to drink one night does that make them an alcoholic? Sheesh.

Good point about the touring alone.

But if the 'inner circle' only consisted of Kirk and his assistant, that doesn't let them off the hook. In fact, it incriminates them more. They should have put their job aside and not let this man destroy himself. If they were the only people who knew the truth, then they should have felt even more responsibility to help him.

Also, I doubt they were the only two people he talked to regularly. It takes many people to set up a tour, monitor the internet, and schedule photo shoots etc. They were just the ones he probably talked to the mos

In Kirk's defense, perhaps he realized Prince's physical pain and just didn't have the heart to make him stop taking pills. Even if his job was his only concern, a dead Prince can't pay you and it wasn't like he was in his will.

lastdecember said:

PRINCE had no circle. I keep hearing his circle like he was in conversations with people constantly. He was on tour alone, just so happens his first tour like this ever just when he begins to "look" different, ILL in Pain whatever the cause the first thing you do when you want no QUESTIONS is dismiss everyone, which he did. From the way he toured with 3EG and the entourage of Montreux shows, he got rid of everyone around him except for an assistant and Kirk and who else Judith? that is not a circle. And those were people especially KIRK that would never "question" anything about him and never did.

Also the idea of why didnt they intervene, well who was going to do that? Kirk? Judith? From Judith's story she was talking to him on the plane after the concert that night and his eyes closed, which means he literally was peforming most likely while taking this medication. since the effects were occuring then he basically was already out of control. The FLU stories we can almost assume may have been other incidents of just not being able to get it together to go on. But again no one is ever gonna know because the only real source is gone.

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Strive said:

You news sources are gossip sites. One of which is discussing double hip surgery not drug addiction as you know people with hip problems are given pain meds👀. His Brither was not his brother was fired by Prince for beating a women outside of Paisley Park, beat his wife, shot at a process server, went into a mental health facilty and later prison. He was also suing Prince at that time probaly trying to force him to settle by going to the media. I am not saying dude never used drugs the whole of his life but it is not belivable this guy was strung out on dope the whole of his carreer. Dependent on pain meds because he needed them very belived.

Strive said:

Ok we still don't have real facts which is all I care about. I don't care about TMZ or some crazy half-sibling whose credibility is suspect. Anyway if he was a long term user of painkillers and still able to do all that he did and work as hard as he did then he really was superman.

Perhaps Kirk was wearing multiple hats, security, VP, press releases. I saw this not to imply Kirk had any involvment, I do not know.

My point being, the flu reasons were probably cover for what was going on. Perhaps Prince did have the flu and was sick, we do not know. Could be withdrawal symptons, Who knows. I think Prince just used that logic to cover what was going on. Controlling the information to the masses. Pure speculation on my end.

The holistic (spelling) appointment has never sounded right to me. Again, I think it was press release hog wash to cover what was really going on. Possibly an intervention. Again who knows.

I would say that the information that came strictly from the Prince camp, could be damage control and image control. Even privacy control. I do not think it was to derail facts for the investigation.

In time, I believe people will talk and more will come out. Particularly after the investigation is closed.

Who were 3rd Eye Girl invisable people from space some them were with him at Dakota. He was seen around town and he was planning on touring later in the year with the Black is the New Blak guys. Scott the engineer did the sound for those piano shows. Had it ever occurred to any of you he wantrd to cut expenses by not having a band? He was not hiding in the basement of Paisley poping pills. Do you realize that he travelled to Australia and stayed longer than what was planned so he could perform in New Zealand. How does one make an 18 hour flight puking, being constipated and all the other side effects of pain meds?

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rogifan said:

--Yes, he was superman let these folks tell him.

This seems likely.

nelcp777 said:

My point being, the flu reasons were probably cover for what was going on. Perhaps Prince did have the flu and was sick, we do not know. Could be withdrawal symptons, Who knows. I think Prince just used that logic to cover what was going on. Controlling the information to the masses. Pure speculation on my end.

The holistic (spelling) appointment has never sounded right to me. Again, I think it was press release hog wash to cover what was really going on. Possibly an intervention. Again who knows.

I would say that the information that came strictly from the Prince camp, could be damage control and image control. Even privacy control. I do not think it was to derail facts for the investigation.

In time, I believe people will talk and more will come out. Particularly after the investigation is closed.

Withdrawals make flu like symptoms that can go on for months and in some cases actually turn into the flu.

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laurarichardson said:

Who were 3rd Eye Girl invisable people from space some them were with him at Dakota. He was seen around town and he was planning on touring later in the year with the Black is the New Blak guys. Scott the engineer did the sound for those piano shows. Had it ever occurred to any of you he wantrd to cut expenses by not having a band? He was not hiding in the basement of Paisley poping pills. Do you realize that he travelled to Australia and stayed longer than what was planned so he could perform in New Zealand. How does one make an 18 hour flight puking, being constipated and all the other side effects of pain meds? said:

Good point about the touring alone.

But if the 'inner circle' only consisted of Kirk and his assistant, that doesn't let them off the hook. In fact, it incriminates them more. They should have put their job aside and not let this man destroy himself. If they were the only people who knew the truth, then they should have felt even more responsibility to help him.

Also, I doubt they were the only two people he talked to regularly. It takes many people to set up a tour, monitor the internet, and schedule photo shoots etc. They were just the ones he probably talked to the mos

In Kirk's defense, perhaps he realized Prince's physical pain and just didn't have the heart to make him stop taking pills. Even if his job was his only concern, a dead Prince can't pay you and it wasn't like he was in his will.

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If he was with anyone from 3EG it was IDA because Donna was not around and Hannah was pregnant at this point and not around. Shelby was with him quite a lot. But spending a few hours at a club with someone is still not telling. He could have been taking something to numb pain or whatever effects so he could be in public. People in the club "Witnesses" said he looked fine, of course this was after the his death. With the montreux shows he had tons of people bands instruments etc...and yes the piano and mic tour could have been for financial reasons artistic ones or even spiritual ones for him to perhaps go back to how it began. Lets not forget Prince alone on a stage, is how he exists when creating, it is rare for him to be jamming in the studio with band members. It happend but it was not a thing that was often happening for him.

laurarichardson said:

I agree with you Laura.
Someone deliberately did this to Prince. They went as far as having pills made up to look like hydrocodone and laced them with fentanyl.

IMO the person that had Phaedra call Dr K knows something because they guessed an OD with fentanyl was going to happen before it did and Andrew shows up with a back pack with pills. We were only made aware of the bag containing suboxone. But who knows what else??
Either Andrew was sent in to do this to P as a threat that may have turned deadly and the suboxone was there to revive him on given the fentanyl laced pills or gas

...the moline incident may have been someone giving P a warning and if he did not comply it would be the end.
As you know he brought the symbol back and was getting vocal against WB again even told us not to support them as they were refusing to hold up to their end of the agreement.
Prince seemed to have a lot of future plans and dying wasn't one of them.

lastdecember said:

Rumors were that Josh & Hannah were with him at the Dakota. I believe they were at PP handing out pizza to fans coming by to pay their respects. Donna must have been around at some point too as wasn't she part of what Prince was working on with Kirk J. Mononeon and and Adrian Crutchfield? Also her husband Trevor Guy is very much involved in the PP museum. Some fans who have attended the Saturday movie nights have seen him there.

rogifan said:

Strive said:

Just because there wasn't an explicit note saying 'i've decided to kill myself. goodbye', doesn't mean it was an accident.

Ultimately the truth died with Prince but the fact he was struggling with a drug problem for years, overdosed five days earlier and had such an large amount of drugs in his system at the time of his death (coincidentally hours before an addiction specialist his friends requested was set to arrive) along with the location where he was found makes me think it was deliberate.

Unless there's other overdoses we don't know about.

Is it a fact he was struggling with drug problem for years? Who has confirmed it? I don't know how the Carver County sheriff's office came to the conclusion it wasn't suicide but if they weren't sure or couldn't rule it out why would they say it wasn't?

they would say that, more to save face than anything. the guy who made the original frankenstein movies committed suicide and tried to make it look accidental too. morevover, if you break it down, anytime someone dies of addiction like that, it's suicide in a sense anyway. and i've been saying that police depts. and doctors aren't above playing politics especially when it comes to the famous. Bruce lee died of an allergic reaction to hashish more than likely and the coroners bald faced lied so that his family could collect life insurance. a white lie yes, but still a lie. George Michaels death was called natural but fatty liver is usually brought on by alcoholism in a man his age so it's not really natural. Same with Elvis who they tried to cover up the drugs with and just said heart attack, his fans are different, they had no patience with any bs and demanded to know what went wrong with their hero. So, i don't rule out suicide but I will say he must have had a damn good reason because quitting wasn't Prince's way, he had to know his days were numbered or that there was no way out with dignity other than that.

rdhull said:

This seems likely.

nelcp777 said:

My point being, the flu reasons were probably cover for what was going on. Perhaps Prince did have the flu and was sick, we do not know. Could be withdrawal symptons, Who knows. I think Prince just used that logic to cover what was going on. Controlling the information to the masses. Pure speculation on my end.

The holistic (spelling) appointment has never sounded right to me. Again, I think it was press release hog wash to cover what was really going on. Possibly an intervention. Again who knows.

I would say that the information that came strictly from the Prince camp, could be damage control and image control. Even privacy control. I do not think it was to derail facts for the investigation.

In time, I believe people will talk and more will come out. Particularly after the investigation is closed.

Agreed. It is wrong to keep trying to throw blame on those around Prince as not having done anything for him without knowing if there is more to this story as noted above. Yes, controlling information to the masses is the best way to keep a handle on things.

rogifan said:

--/Hannah, Josh and a few others were with him at that club. The owner said Prince usually left before the show ended but he hung around and they talked and he said he seemed fine. Was the manager of the club on Prince's payroll as well?