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"Also the constant reference to his Pain is still unproven. Injuries yes he did have them I was at one of the shows where he suffered an early injury, but this constant talk of how he was in endless pain is misleading and unfounded just like having a hip surgery is still not proven."
Not unproven just some people refuse to believe it. Prince mentioned his surgery in a 2010 Ebony Interview, and Billy Sparks said he had hip surgery not replacement. Pics of his in an old person sccoter were around back around 2004, Kevin Smith said one day while filming the Rainbow Children Doc he told him he could not get up because he knee was frozen, Alan Leeds said he saw him getting shots in his legs. Tavis Smiley has mentioned his surgery. Lastly two scars were reported to be on his leg from the autospy report. One going from his knee to his ankle and one at his hip. Just Goggle or use the search engine. Where is the proof? Doctors name? Hospital where it was performed? There is an investigation into possibly criminal activity in a case of overdose and people are citing a hip surgery and yet no one has mentioned they found the doctor who did it? Eric Leeds saying he was in pain or Morris Day saying they discussed having it because he did, there is still no confirmation. And also his drastic change in appearance does not look like an effect of a hip surgery, the gaunt look in his face and emptiness in his eyes look like someone suffering from an illness. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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he really did look different, and I never dwelled on it because I'm not one of these critical fans who complain about his latest style change. but after the fact, when you look at shows just a short time, and to me, 2011 is a short time, he looked fantastic. it should have been obvious something was up, i recall after he died, someone on here said that a friend they took to a p&m show said "he doesn't look lie he's going to live much longer" so i guess people did notice. at 57 it was too easy to put it down to aging but really, what you do and how you live shows on your face. I remember how teenage college students would look older around finals and we all know people of different ages who look all wrong for their age. And not even 2011 he looked much different than he did in 2014 when he was 3rd eye girl. I personally think the idea to go out on his own was to not have anyone around to see him, maybe wonder what was wrong, notice a change in his look. After he died and some pointed this out, many on this site said "bad lighting, or it's the fro, or my favorite, he was always thin" the more i see photos of that last year the more I think of David Bowie's death. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Some say their is no proof he had an illness either. | |
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Purplestar88 said:
Some say their is no proof he had an illness either. Fair enough and some say that he looked like he always did in the photos from the last tour, which even Stevie wonder could tell he was not looking well. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: laurarichardson said:
"Also the constant reference to his Pain is still unproven. Injuries yes he did have them I was at one of the shows where he suffered an early injury, but this constant talk of how he was in endless pain is misleading and unfounded just like having a hip surgery is still not proven."
Not unproven just some people refuse to believe it. Prince mentioned his surgery in a 2010 Ebony Interview, and Billy Sparks said he had hip surgery not replacement. Pics of his in an old person sccoter were around back around 2004, Kevin Smith said one day while filming the Rainbow Children Doc he told him he could not get up because he knee was frozen, Alan Leeds said he saw him getting shots in his legs. Tavis Smiley has mentioned his surgery. Lastly two scars were reported to be on his leg from the autospy report. One going from his knee to his ankle and one at his hip. Just Goggle or use the search engine. Where is the proof? Doctors name? Hospital where it was performed? There is an investigation into possibly criminal activity in a case of overdose and people are citing a hip surgery and yet no one has mentioned they found the doctor who did it? Eric Leeds saying he was in pain or Morris Day saying they discussed having it because he did, there is still no confirmation. And also his drastic change in appearance does not look like an effect of a hip surgery, the gaunt look in his face and emptiness in his eyes look like someone suffering from an illness. --In the American we have HIPPA laws that prevent private medical records from being given out to the public. No doctor who wants to stay a doctor is going to provide that info to the public. Someone in Prince's position is not going to have a press conference to announce it because it is no one's business and I am sure promoters would not have been given up a million a show if they thought he was to broke up to make it. You have Prince saying in a interview in 2010 that he had surgery and an autosphy report what else do you need? No one is saying that he was in horrible pain from his joints when died but we believe that it was the begining of his problem. If he had surgery he was given pain meds and if he had pain prior to surgery he was given pain meds. These meds were given out to people like candy until recently I am not sure at this point why anyone would doubt he had medical issues at this point. He had a line item of 65k for medical expenses on his inventory report. Do you think that was for illegal drugs? | |
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Then you have some people who think he took pills for the hell of it or he was despressed/or suicidal. I myself did not notice that he looked sickly. Looking back, it is clear he was not well but at the same time I don't think he looked horrible. People see things differently. Pain to me is consider an illness. There are people who are bedridden, use wheelchairs or even dead because of pain. Look at some of the professional wrestlers and then see if you would be quick to dismiss any pain Prince might have. | |
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laurarichardson said: lastdecember said: Where is the proof? Doctors name? Hospital where it was performed? There is an investigation into possibly criminal activity in a case of overdose and people are citing a hip surgery and yet no one has mentioned they found the doctor who did it? Eric Leeds saying he was in pain or Morris Day saying they discussed having it because he did, there is still no confirmation. And also his drastic change in appearance does not look like an effect of a hip surgery, the gaunt look in his face and emptiness in his eyes look like someone suffering from an illness. --In the American we have HIPPA laws that prevent private medical records from being given out to the public. No doctor who wants to stay a doctor is going to provide that info to the public. Someone in Prince's position is not going to have a press conference to announce it because it is no one's business and I am sure promoters would not have been given up a million a show if they thought he was to broke up to make it. You have Prince saying in a interview in 2010 that he had surgery and an autosphy report what else do you need? No one is saying that he was in horrible pain from his joints when died but we believe that it was the begining of his problem. If he had surgery he was given pain meds and if he had pain prior to surgery he was given pain meds. These meds were given out to people like candy until recently I am not sure at this point why anyone would doubt he had medical issues at this point. He had a line item of 65k for medical expenses on his inventory report. Do you think that was for illegal drugs? Not saying he did not have pain and also there is no proof of where that pain came from, for all we know he had something cancerous or a bone disease there are many reasons for a surgery besides jumping off pianos. His decision to all of a sudden be solo no one around him except an assistant and Kirk and Judith on occasion is very telling of someone that wants as few possible around that May question him. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Then you have some people who think he took pills for the hell of it or he was despressed/or suicidal. I myself did not notice that he looked sickly. Looking back, it is clear he was not well but at the same time I don't think he looked horrible. People see things differently. Pain to me is consider an illness. There are people who are bedridden, use wheelchairs or even dead because of pain. Look at some of the professional wrestlers and then see if you would be quick to dismiss any pain Prince might have. I am not dismissing his pain because PAIN killed him, I am saying there are many places that pain could have been coming from, other than jumping off Pianos. Also PAIN and constant pain opens up many things inside of you like depression not saying it did for him but it is not out of the realm of being possible. It's very different being in pain at 27 than being in pain at 57. And also the rot of his pain is unknown, and also fentanyl is not a pain killer, the more you take the less it works which would mean he thought it could and just kept taking it or he was taking different things and sadly did no know what he was taking because he was always alone and not in the presence of someone who could help. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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If Prince had had cancer (or some other terminal illness) he would have been under medical care, he would have had Rxs in Minnesota for pain management, people around him would have been much more likely to have known he was ill, and he would have been having treatment - the man didn't have an out and out deathwish, nothing indicates that. You don't buy illegal painkillers to deal with a condition when you can just get painkillers from the doctors managing your condition, and you don't hide painkillers in vitamin bottles etc when you are taking them for an illness there is no reason to hide. If he was suffering from a terminal illness why would everyone keep silent and risk his legacy being tarnished by the fact he died of a drug-overdose (even though I think his legacy is far far too solid to be tarnished by that). And lastly, he didn't know he was taking Fentanyl, he didn't have a dependency on Fentanyl, you cannot infer anything about anything about Fentanyl (other than, as we found out, it was in the illegal pills he had...the info leaked from the investigation, when put together, was enough to join the dots together...maybe that's not a coincidence, maybe they wanted the fans to have enough to join the dots together). The issue is Vicodin/Percocet, and as I've said, longterm use of Vicodin on it's own will likely make you very sick because the acetominophen causes internal organ damage...when Tyka suggests she knew what was coming, it was because, I suspect, he knew it was harming him, and he didn't stop, because he wanted to keep performing, he had to keep performing, both for finanacial reasons, but more importantly, because that was how he knew (how he had always known) how to survive in the world, and the choice of stopping was, for him, no choice at all. [Edited 3/27/17 0:27am] Not like I love my guitar.... | |
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The thought has been occuring to me lately that he intentionally ended things, i.e. suicide. It's not a pleasant thought, and I don't really have basis for it, just where my mind has been wandering. He does reference suicide in lyrics, so it's not like the thought has never crossed his mind. Maybe in a weakened state of addiction and dependence, the thought could have become more dominant. Many of his songs have a blue tinge of sadness, loneliness, this song in particular has been on repeat lately...
"Goodbye" Last night when I left U fast asleeping
I should have contemplated suicide 4 the smile upon your face that's well worth keeping By morning - smears 4 every tear U cry I could manage a week or 2 without those kisses It'd be hard, but something tells me I could try 4 that matter, whatever 2 make U reconsider Is there truth when U make love 2 a lie? Excuse me, but is this really goodbye? Why'd I ever let U in this morning? Why'd I let U come inside my door? I should have known without that smile adorning Your face - a kiss was not what U came 4 That's when your hand reached out 2 touch me gently At least that's how it happened in my mind 4 that matter, whatever 2 make U reconsider Is there truth when U make love 2 a lie? Excuse me, but is this really goodbye? Can't begin 2 understand how I think about U (Everything) Everything I wanna do, I cannot do without U However wrong U want - I'll be Just please (please) don't leave (Don't leave) If it means this life without U, baby I swear I'll spend it on my knees Excuse me, but is this really goodbye? Last night when I left U I was so sure We'd be 2gether 4ever and 4 days And now my shade of blue couldn't get no bluer I don't even know what I did 2 make U go away I could possibly stage a front and play the cool one (Cool one) Heart in my hand tryin' 2 hold back every cry But who would applaud me when it's U, my one and only Who ever gave me a good reason not 2 die Excuse me, but is this really: (Goodbye) Excuse me, but is this really: (Goodbye) Excuse me, but is this really goodbye? (Goodbye) Goodbye, goodbye (Goodbye) Goodbye (Goodbye) "So fierce U look 2night, the brightest star pales 2 Ur sex..." | |
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Sadly, I think he committed suicide. _ There was always an underlying melancholy about him and I think running into a number of issues that he couldn't overcome on his own (drug addiction/chronic pain/depression/possible health issues) made him take control of the situation the only way he could. _ Knowing what we know now, there were a number of red flags beginning with the 3rd Eye Girl phase which finally reached a tipping point by the time the Piano & A Microphone tour was underway. _ I think the second Atlanta show was the show where he felt like he achieved everything he set out to achieve. That it was the perfect moment to end on. _ (On a lighter note, getting a big advance for an autobiography and signing an endorsment deal with Yamaha with the knowledge that he was never going to deliver seems like the most Prince thing ever. Hit N Run until the very end
The Breakdown, STOPTHISTRAIN, Mr. Nelson, June, the weird end to Stare. There were a bunch of them near the end. [Edited 3/27/17 2:08am] | |
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) jayseajay said:
If Prince had had cancer (or some other terminal illness) he would have been under medical care, he would have had Rxs in Minnesota for pain management, people around him would have been much more likely to have known he was ill, and he would have been having treatment - the man didn't have an out and out deathwish, nothing indicates that. You don't buy illegal painkillers to deal with a condition when you can just get painkillers from the doctors managing your condition, and you don't hide painkillers in vitamin bottles etc when you are taking them for an illness there is no reason to hide. If he was suffering from a terminal illness why would everyone keep silent and risk his legacy being tarnished by the fact he died of a drug-overdose (even though I think his legacy is far far too solid to be tarnished by that). And lastly, he didn't know he was taking Fentanyl, he didn't have a dependency on Fentanyl, you cannot infer anything about anything about Fentanyl (other than, as we found out, it was in the illegal pills he had...the info leaked from the investigation, when put together, was enough to join the dots together...maybe that's not a coincidence, maybe they wanted the fans to have enough to join the dots together). The issue is Vicodin/Percocet, and as I've said, longterm use of Vicodin on it's own will likely make you very sick because the acetominophen causes internal organ damage...when Tyka suggests she knew what was coming, it was because, I suspect, he knew it was harming him, and he didn't stop, because he wanted to keep performing, he had to keep performing, both for finanacial reasons, but more importantly, because that was how he knew (how he had always known) how to survive in the world, and the choice of stopping was, for him, no choice at all. [Edited 3/27/17 0:27am] ---Here is a thought for you. If he had any organ damage from taking pain meds he would never have had any doctor give him an Rx for pain killers. You also cannot be forced to stay in a hospital and if something is terminal people are often sent home or they want to continue on with their rotuine. Numerous people have said that "we don't the whole story" and he had 65k of medical expenses on his inventory report. This a report that goes to the court and to the IRS. He did not run up that bill using illegal drugs. Now if some of you have your mind made up that he had no health issues keep living in La La land. | |
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Strive said: Sadly, I think he committed suicide. The Carver County Sheriff said in a press conference a few days after he passed that they were not treating it as a suicide. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Laura, whilst reading a totally unrelated book (about nutrition) I came across many serious ilnesses that come from taking painkillers over a long period of time. Even common stuff like paracetamol and ibuprofen, that most people resort to on a daily basis. Serious liver damage, esophagus damage, stomach cancer, the lot. | |
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To answer the original question what was he thinking? I think all he was thinking about was getting his next fix. About getting high. ABOUT FEELING BETTER. Isn't it obvious that's what was going on? If he had been using opiates on the regular (and I don't mean his entire life, but regular enough in recent times) he would not be able to just stop using them whether or not they just about killed him the week prior. If he was given Narcan he would have been in withdrawl, and he would have been miserable. He must have had something stashed at home as he was able to go out to the Dakota that week. The fact that his circle was reaching out to others to get him help can t be ignored. There were people close to him who knew he was struggling with his use of pills. I don't understand all the debate and confusion. I never have. It's quite simple. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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We most likely will never know why he was taking painkillers in the first place and/or if the use of them over time caused an illness so honestly what is the point of speculating? The only fact we have is the cause of death via the ME report. And one could add the comments from his personal chef who talked about Prince being sick a lot (towards the end) and requesting more smoothies. I'm going to assume his chef wouldn't make that up. http://www.hollywoodrepor...ght-889161 A law enforcement official has told the AP that investigators are looking into whether Prince, who was found dead at his home on April 21, died from an overdose and whether a doctor was prescribing him drugs in the weeks beforehand. The official has been briefed on the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Ray Roberts, who cooked for Prince nearly every day for almost three years, said in an interview that wasn't the man he saw nearly every night, "not even a hint. Not at all." But Roberts did start noticing changes in Prince's diet — he was eating less and drinking less water, and looked like he was losing weight. "It felt like he wasn't himself probably the last month or two," said Roberts. "I think he was just struggling with being sick a lot." Prince, who didn't eat meat, normally loved foods like roasted beets and minestrone soup with a harissa chermoula, an herb sauce from North Africa. In recent months, Roberts said, as Prince would have sore throats or seem like he wasn't feeling well for "weeks at a time," he would prefer smoothies and fresh juices to soothe his throat or stomach. Paisley Park is in your heart
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sonshine said: To answer the original question what was he thinking?
I think all he was thinking about was getting his next fix. About getting high. ABOUT FEELING BETTER. Isn't it obvious that's what was going on? If he had been using opiates on the regular (and I don't mean his entire life, but regular enough in recent times) he would not be able to just stop using them whether or not they just about killed him the week prior. If he was given Narcan he would have been in withdrawl, and he would have been miserable. He must have had something stashed at home as he was able to go out to the Dakota that week. The fact that his circle was reaching out to others to get him help can t be ignored. There were people close to him who knew he was struggling with his use of pills. I don't understand all the debate and confusion. I never have. It's quite simple. Has this been confirmed as fact? Who close to him confirmed it? Neither Kirk J., Trvor Guy or his personal assistant have talked. Nor have Josh & Hannah Welton (who allegedly were with Prince at the Dakota a few days before he passed). Neither has Van Jones or Damaris Lewis. Judith Hill did but as far as I know she never said she was trying to get him help for a painkiller addiction. [Edited 3/27/17 8:34am] Paisley Park is in your heart
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the cook gave some of the best insight into Prince's health in the last days than anyone and it's ironic that his was one of the earliest interviews, i think it was like in the next day or two of Prince's passing. | |
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rogifan said: sonshine said: To answer the original question what was he thinking?
I think all he was thinking about was getting his next fix. About getting high. ABOUT FEELING BETTER. Isn't it obvious that's what was going on? If he had been using opiates on the regular (and I don't mean his entire life, but regular enough in recent times) he would not be able to just stop using them whether or not they just about killed him the week prior. If he was given Narcan he would have been in withdrawl, and he would have been miserable. He must have had something stashed at home as he was able to go out to the Dakota that week. The fact that his circle was reaching out to others to get him help can t be ignored. There were people close to him who knew he was struggling with his use of pills. I don't understand all the debate and confusion. I never have. It's quite simple. Has this been confirmed as fact? Who close to him confirmed it? Neither Kirk J., Trvor Guy or his personal assistant have talked. Nor have Josh & Hannah Welton (who allegedly were with Prince at the Dakota a few days before he passed). Neither has Van Jones or Damaris Lewis. Judith Hill did but as far as I know she never said she was trying to get him help for a painkiller addiction. [Edited 3/27/17 8:34am] Someone called the lady in California about getting him help who in turn called the addiction specialist doctor. Judith said she was concerned and reached out to his inner circle once she returned home. Thats enough proof right there. It's all been reported and was innthe papers at least locally. Maybe not everyone has read those articles from the first weeks idk. But they've all been posted here and I'm too tired to sort thru them all. Lenny K also mentions it on an article that he was sorry prince didn't get the help he needed after the Moline incident and he was not taken aback that it happened in the first place. He also told a story about being summoned to PP to perform and being kept up for 2 or 3 days straight by Prince before the gig actually happened. I've been around long enough to know you don't do that without some "help". Do i care? Not at all. It's none of my business what prince or lenny or anyone else does in that regard. This is probably why the people you mentioned haven't talked. They don't want to air his dirty laundry for lack of a better term. There silence to me is only more proof that is exactly what was going on with him. Why wouldn't they be talking otherwise? It's fine with me that they respect his privacy tho and have kept quiet. [Edited 3/27/17 9:11am] It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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rogifan said: sonshine said: To answer the original question what was he thinking?
I think all he was thinking about was getting his next fix. About getting high. ABOUT FEELING BETTER. Isn't it obvious that's what was going on? If he had been using opiates on the regular (and I don't mean his entire life, but regular enough in recent times) he would not be able to just stop using them whether or not they just about killed him the week prior. If he was given Narcan he would have been in withdrawl, and he would have been miserable. He must have had something stashed at home as he was able to go out to the Dakota that week. The fact that his circle was reaching out to others to get him help can t be ignored. There were people close to him who knew he was struggling with his use of pills. I don't understand all the debate and confusion. I never have. It's quite simple. Has this been confirmed as fact? Who close to him confirmed it? Neither Kirk J., Trvor Guy or his personal assistant have talked. Nor have Josh & Hannah Welton (who allegedly were with Prince at the Dakota a few days before he passed). Neither has Van Jones or Damaris Lewis. Judith Hill did but as far as I know she never said she was trying to get him help for a painkiller addiction. [Edited 3/27/17 8:34am] Nobody in his inter-circle have said anything and it could be that someone belived that an intervention would be a good idea and Prince may not have been aware of it. There is a rumor that he an appointment to go to some holistic center it does not sound like someone that was going to rehab. He also seemed to be getting around really well that day for someone that was gravely ill and strung out. If the media told some people that the moon was made of green cheese they would believe. What kind of drug addict has to go back and forth to a doctor for test? You either are on drugs or you are withdrawing from them What would you need a test for? I think what he was taking was making him ill on top of whatever other problems he had. [Edited 3/27/17 9:17am] | |
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sonshine said: rogifan said: Has this been confirmed as fact? Who close to him confirmed it? Neither Kirk J., Trvor Guy or his personal assistant have talked. Nor have Josh & Hannah Welton (who allegedly were with Prince at the Dakota a few days before he passed). Neither has Van Jones or Damaris Lewis. Judith Hill did but as far as I know she never said she was trying to get him help for a painkiller addiction. [Edited 3/27/17 8:34am] Someone called the lady in California about getting him help who in turn called the addiction specialist doctor. Judith said she was concerned and reached out to his inner circle once she returned home. Thats enough proof right there. It's all been reported and was innthe papers at least locally. Maybe not everyone has read those articles from the first weeks idk. But they've all been posted here and I'm too tired to sort thru them all. Lenny K also mentions it on an article that he was sorry prince didn't get the help he needed after the Moline incident and he was not taken aback that it happened in the first place. He also told a story about being summoned to PP to perform and being kept up for 2 or 3 days straight by Prince before the gig actually happened. I've been around long enough to know you don't do that without some "help". Do i care? Not at all. It's none of my business what prince or lenny or anyone else does in that regard. --More BS Lenney said he thougt he dodged a bullet. The keeping him up for two days was when he came to Minnin for filming Rave and he said they jammed, played pool, ping pong and bowled. Lenny is like one of dozens of people who said he could do two days without sleep. Susan Rogers said she stayed up with him for 3 days and he was not using drugs. Pain pills make you sleepy and Coke keeps you up and makes you stupid. How in Gods greens earth would he have been able to get any work done? Or even made into his 50s? My guess he had bad insommia which he ignored so he could keep working. [Edited 3/27/17 9:15am] | |
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: Has this been confirmed as fact? Who close to him confirmed it? Neither Kirk J., Trvor Guy or his personal assistant have talked. Nor have Josh & Hannah Welton (who allegedly were with Prince at the Dakota a few days before he passed). Neither has Van Jones or Damaris Lewis. Judith Hill did but as far as I know she never said she was trying to get him help for a painkiller addiction. [Edited 3/27/17 8:34am] Nobody in his inter-circle have said anything and it could be that someone belived that an intervention would be a good idea and Prince may not have been aware of it. There is a rumor that he an appointment to go to some holistic center it does not sound like someone that was going to rehab. He also seemed to be getting around really well that day for someone that was gravely ill and strung out. If the media told some people that the moon was made of green cheese they would believe. What kind of drug addict has to go back and forth to a doctor for text? You either are on drugs or you are withdrawing what the test for? I think what he was taking was making him ill on top of whatever other problems he had. How do you know how he was getting around? You don't. How do you know what he was getting tests for? You don't. It could have been anything. Perhaps it was he was being checked for vit def before his holistic appt. Who knows? Who cares? For people to arrange an intervention they have to feel pretty desperate. Hence he was struggling with an addiction or dependence or abuse of drugs. It's so simple yet you make it so complicated and convoluted. It is what it is. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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Hey Pete ...do you mean no one had a chance to tell him to keep his mouth shut.... | |
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sonshine said: laurarichardson said: Nobody in his inter-circle have said anything and it could be that someone belived that an intervention would be a good idea and Prince may not have been aware of it. There is a rumor that he an appointment to go to some holistic center it does not sound like someone that was going to rehab. He also seemed to be getting around really well that day for someone that was gravely ill and strung out. If the media told some people that the moon was made of green cheese they would believe. What kind of drug addict has to go back and forth to a doctor for text? You either are on drugs or you are withdrawing what the test for? I think what he was taking was making him ill on top of whatever other problems he had. How do you know how he was getting around? You don't. How do you know what he was getting tests for? You don't. It could have been anything. Perhaps it was he was being checked for vit def before his holistic appt. Who knows? Who cares? For people to arrange an intervention they have to feel pretty desperate. Hence he was struggling with an addiction or dependence or abuse of drugs. It's so simple yet you make it so complicated and convoluted. It is what it is. I'm not making anything complicated. I'm just trying to sort out what is FACT. So much of what's been reported and then re-reported here isn't verified FACT. Paisley Park is in your heart
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sonshine said: laurarichardson said: Nobody in his inter-circle have said anything and it could be that someone belived that an intervention would be a good idea and Prince may not have been aware of it. There is a rumor that he an appointment to go to some holistic center it does not sound like someone that was going to rehab. He also seemed to be getting around really well that day for someone that was gravely ill and strung out. If the media told some people that the moon was made of green cheese they would believe. What kind of drug addict has to go back and forth to a doctor for text? You either are on drugs or you are withdrawing what the test for? I think what he was taking was making him ill on top of whatever other problems he had. How do you know how he was getting around? You don't. How do you know what he was getting tests for? You don't. It could have been anything. Perhaps it was he was being checked for vit def before his holistic appt. Who knows? Who cares? For people to arrange an intervention they have to feel pretty desperate. Hence he was struggling with an addiction or dependence or abuse of drugs. It's so simple yet you make it so complicated and convoluted. It is what it is. --He went to his doctor per Dr. S, Dr.S wrote him an Rx for non-controlled substances Some asshole followed him and took pics of him at the pharmacy, he then left PP and came back around 8:00pm. This was all documented in the unsealed search warrant. The gravely ill comment came from that Quack Doc K who never examined Prince to know what his state of being was in the first place. We have a old block of time where we do not know what he was doing so we cannot say by calls to some quack in CA what was going with his health. The key is what test he had Dr. S run and what Dr.S was treating him for? Dr.S had no background in pain mgnt or addition treatment and was not found to not have prescribed controlled substsnces for him. No one is saying he was not it using pain pills but something else was going on. Remember he had 65k line item for medical expenses on his inventory sheet do some sort of medical was occuring. [Edited 3/27/17 9:30am] | |
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MMJas said:
Laura, whilst reading a totally unrelated book (about nutrition) I came across many serious ilnesses that come from taking painkillers over a long period of time. Even common stuff like paracetamol and ibuprofen, that most people resort to on a daily basis. Serious liver damage, esophagus damage, stomach cancer, the lot. Thank you I have been saying this for over a year. If he was taking these pain pills for years they could have done terrible damage to his organs. Rx or no Rx no doctor is going to prescribed you pain meds if you have organ damage but he may have still had pain or just had become to dependent on them to stop. Going cold turkey is not an option so he may have been on outpatient rehab to ween off. We know it was said he was seeing Dr. S for that reason originally and Dr S did not give him any controlled substances and they found no doctor shopping which is odd for the so-called strung out drug addict. Nothing adds up to just plain old old dope head. | |
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80tomato said:
Hey Pete ...do you mean no one had a chance to tell him to keep his mouth shut.... Well the chefs now work st PP and one of them did say on a Facebook page that they were lied to about his health after some nut accused them of poisoning Prince. So they did keep talking a little bit. What I find interesting is that they said his demeanor only changed in January. Up an till then they said he was fine but know one is saying he sleepily, hyper or short-tempered. | |
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laurarichardson said: 80tomato said:
Hey Pete ...do you mean no one had a chance to tell him to keep his mouth shut.... Well the chefs now work st PP and one of them did say on a Facebook page that they were lied to about his health after some nut accused them of poisoning Prince. So they did keep talking a little bit. What I find interesting is that they said his demeanor only changed in January. Up an till then they said he was fine but know one is saying he sleepily, hyper or short-tempered. Lied to by who? Paisley Park is in your heart
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laurarichardson said: MMJas said:
Laura, whilst reading a totally unrelated book (about nutrition) I came across many serious ilnesses that come from taking painkillers over a long period of time. Even common stuff like paracetamol and ibuprofen, that most people resort to on a daily basis. Serious liver damage, esophagus damage, stomach cancer, the lot. Thank you I have been saying this for over a year. If he was taking these pain pills for years they could have done terrible damage to his organs. Rx or no Rx no doctor is going to prescribed you pain meds if you have organ damage but he may have still had pain or just had become to dependent on them to stop. Going cold turkey is not an option so he may have been on outpatient rehab to ween off. We know it was said he was seeing Dr. S for that reason originally and Dr S did not give him any controlled substances and they found no doctor shopping which is odd for the so-called strung out drug addict. Nothing adds up to just plain old old dope head. Once again no one has ever used the termimology you do when referring to him. If you would let whatever bias you have towards those who struggle with addiction you might actually see the light. Until then it's pointless to attempt any reasonable discussion you are part of. People who use opiates without a doctor's direction at some point finds themselves in dire straights and it's logical that's the point he reached. Nothing more, nothing less. We don't know what he was seeing Dr s for but assuming Kirk suggested it is even more proof his inner circle were concerned. I work for a number of family practice physicians who manage pain medications for dozens of patients. Your use of the word "quack" is offensive, insulting and just plain ignorant. Another reason your opinions should not be taken seriously by anyone. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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