all speculation!!!

we dont know a damn thing!!!

fortuneandserendipity said:

muleFunk said:

It's more plausable that he would have been found nude with no clothes on vs clothing on backwards in an elevator.

No, it's actually more plausible that he put on his clothes backwards, rather than not wearing anything. That's the way he was found. What about that is so difficult to understand?

PeteSilas said:

Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

the thing about that theory is that Prince wasn't some stupid street junkie, I'm sure he knew about that little detail and I'm also sure he was warned about it if the medical people had any level of competence. If he was jonesing that hard, he could have had someone with him, none of it makes sense. I can think of several scenarios, none of which really add up but it happened so we just have to accept it. the thing that bothers me, is i've had family who've died, i'm still haunted by it but you know what? they didn't want to live, they just didn't want to live anymore anyway and had no fight left in them. With Prince, it's obvious, he still had a lot to offer, his final show was as good or better than most any show i'd ever heard and there were few cues onstage which Elvis fans saw for several years leading up to his death. Somehow, i hate to think it, but he may have had a death wish.

The thing about a deathwish or suicide theory that seems strange to me is the way he was described found. It seems like he was trying to get help or do something, if someone were really suicidal would they bother to try and get dressed and get to somewhere else if they had truly been focused and determined to break on through to the other side.

Somone mentioned that he was suppose to commence rehab the next day , who knows what he really was thinking, maybe he couldnt sleep due to pain and anxiety feelings connected to entering rehab maybe he took a handfull of pills to get through the night, maybe he'd done that same dose before and thought he'd be ok but then realised what he took was not what he he thought it was.

I cant help to think that something strange happend, like him getting the wrong pills? there is definitly something odd in all of this and it seems one way or another there is a cover up.

[Edited 3/26/17 5:34am]

PeteSilas said:

i've heard that it happens fast too, i wonder if it would happen so fast that he would not have time to get up and get his car. anyway you cut it, for a guy as smart as prince was, it's damn stupid to take something just 5 days after you almost died and it's damn stupid to not have anyone around.

Dr. Michael Baden said he would just fall alseep.

PeteSilas said:

In his state of mind which we do not know maybe he thought he took something else and sadly it was too late, a fatal mistake. Even if he would have gotten out of the elevator where could he go in that state? Drive? He probably could not even walk straight he probably would have collapsed outside and which no one on the premises the same thing would have happened

lastdecember said:

PeteSilas said:

i've heard that it happens fast too, i wonder if it would happen so fast that he would not have time to get up and get his car. anyway you cut it, for a guy as smart as prince was, it's damn stupid to take something just 5 days after you almost died and it's damn stupid to not have anyone around.

In his state of mind which we do not know maybe he thought he took something else and sadly it was too late, a fatal mistake. Even if he would have gotten out of the elevator where could he go in that state? Drive? He probably could not even walk straight he probably would have collapsed outside and which no one on the premises the same thing would have happened

I guess I will always wonder why P. didn't handle his pain issues differently.

I think the 2 links below will shed light on how quickly fentanyl works and the signs of overdose.

He wouldn't have had much time as well as probably being in a confused/panic state to try and get help, possibly get dressed thus the backward clothes, etc.

interactive.fusion.net/death-by-fentanyl/intro.html

http://www.projectknow.com/research/fentanyl-overdose/

People keep thinking that he realized he was in trouble and tried to get help but he had the same clothing he had on the day before.

AND as mentioned above this was what was leaked to the press and not an actual finding.

However if this was true to me he died between the time he talked to Will Smith and the early morning hours of April 21.

KaresB said:

lastdecember said:

It's not, it's how people shape language to hide things. They call it medicine when it helps you and a drug when it kills you that is what I am saying. When people heard Prince died of a drug overdose or any other celeb that has they have a different image, drugs are associated different then Medicine. Whoever saw a headline that read so and so dies from medicine overdose? If they phrased it that way it puts the fault on doctors, drug overdose puts the blame on the person 100%.

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You're wrong.

med·i·cine

(med'i-sin),

1. A drug.
(http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/medicine)


To call it "medicine when it helps you" and "drug when it kills you" is ridiculous. Both medicines and drugs are "chemical substances that affect the processes of the mind or body".
The SAME substance can either help or kill you, depending on the individual, the circumstances and the dose.

The headlines never say 'medicine overdose' simply because every substance that is used as medication is a drug. Painkillers are drugs too, of course.

[Edited 3/25/17 8:25am]

But again you are missing the point of language and how the general public looks and sees and hears DRUG OVERDOSE and assumes something sinister on the person's part. In many cases someone has died by taking something and then taking something else but the werent told not to do that or they have 2 different doctors etc... and then a headline reads so and so dead from a drug overdose people dont assoiciate drug overdoses with doctors fucking up the blame is always on the person. Despite opioids being an epidemic when these deaths happen discussions occur for a few days and then its back to status quo of prescribing or this stuff just being out there for anyone.

lastdecember said:

KaresB said:

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You're wrong.

med·i·cine

(med'i-sin),

1. A drug.
(http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/medicine)


To call it "medicine when it helps you" and "drug when it kills you" is ridiculous. Both medicines and drugs are "chemical substances that affect the processes of the mind or body".
The SAME substance can either help or kill you, depending on the individual, the circumstances and the dose.

The headlines never say 'medicine overdose' simply because every substance that is used as medication is a drug. Painkillers are drugs too, of course.

[Edited 3/25/17 8:25am]

But again you are missing the point of language and how the general public looks and sees and hears DRUG OVERDOSE and assumes something sinister on the person's part. In many cases someone has died by taking something and then taking something else but the werent told not to do that or they have 2 different doctors etc... and then a headline reads so and so dead from a drug overdose people dont assoiciate drug overdoses with doctors fucking up the blame is always on the person. Despite opioids being an epidemic when these deaths happen discussions occur for a few days and then its back to status quo of prescribing or this stuff just being out there for anyone.

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No, I think you are missing the point. You have said before that there should be a clear distinction between "medicine" and "drug" – I have pointed out that is nonsense as the terms mean the same. They might have different connotations to you or for a lot of people, I am not doubting that, yet that's a different thing and we can't help that. People are either interested in hearing the reasons behind certain cases of drug overdoses or not. Just becuse you are trying to call it a "medicine overdose" or "accident" or whatever, will not change the minds of those who can only think along the lines of "yet another black artist OD'd".

I understand that people are trying to sugarcoat things because it's about our hero, but the sad fact is Prince has died of a drug overdose. Of course it is perfectly OK to talk about the reasons behind his decision to take those drugs and I can also accept that most probably he was in extreme pain for many long years so he needed strong painkillers not to get high but simply to get along, but painkillers are drugs too.

People are dying of (accidental or deliberate) overdose of paracetamol or any other medicine (=drug) out there that are generally accepted as being harmless pills and yes, those are also cases of drug overdoses.

oscarchristio777 said:

PeteSilas said:

the thing about that theory is that Prince wasn't some stupid street junkie, I'm sure he knew about that little detail and I'm also sure he was warned about it if the medical people had any level of competence. If he was jonesing that hard, he could have had someone with him, none of it makes sense. I can think of several scenarios, none of which really add up but it happened so we just have to accept it. the thing that bothers me, is i've had family who've died, i'm still haunted by it but you know what? they didn't want to live, they just didn't want to live anymore anyway and had no fight left in them. With Prince, it's obvious, he still had a lot to offer, his final show was as good or better than most any show i'd ever heard and there were few cues onstage which Elvis fans saw for several years leading up to his death. Somehow, i hate to think it, but he may have had a death wish.

The thing about a deathwish or suicide theory that seems strange to me is the way he was described found. It seems like he was trying to get help or do something, if someone were really suicidal would they bother to try and get dressed and get to somewhere else if they had truly been focused and determined to break on through to the other side.

Somone mentioned that he was suppose to commence rehab the next day , who knows what he really was thinking, maybe he couldnt sleep due to pain and anxiety feelings connected to entering rehab maybe he took a handfull of pills to get through the night, maybe he'd done that same dose before and thought he'd be ok but then realised what he took was not what he he thought it was.

I cant help to think that something strange happend, like him getting the wrong pills? there is definitly something odd in all of this and it seems one way or another there is a cover up.

[Edited 3/26/17 5:34am]

According to Dr Drew, it said 'contains fentanyl' marked on the bag. At the very least he knew the risk.

oscarchristio777 said:

PeteSilas said:

the thing about that theory is that Prince wasn't some stupid street junkie, I'm sure he knew about that little detail and I'm also sure he was warned about it if the medical people had any level of competence. If he was jonesing that hard, he could have had someone with him, none of it makes sense. I can think of several scenarios, none of which really add up but it happened so we just have to accept it. the thing that bothers me, is i've had family who've died, i'm still haunted by it but you know what? they didn't want to live, they just didn't want to live anymore anyway and had no fight left in them. With Prince, it's obvious, he still had a lot to offer, his final show was as good or better than most any show i'd ever heard and there were few cues onstage which Elvis fans saw for several years leading up to his death. Somehow, i hate to think it, but he may have had a death wish.

The thing about a deathwish or suicide theory that seems strange to me is the way he was described found. It seems like he was trying to get help or do something, if someone were really suicidal would they bother to try and get dressed and get to somewhere else if they had truly been focused and determined to break on through to the other side.

Somone mentioned that he was suppose to commence rehab the next day , who knows what he really was thinking, maybe he couldnt sleep due to pain and anxiety feelings connected to entering rehab maybe he took a handfull of pills to get through the night, maybe he'd done that same dose before and thought he'd be ok but then realised what he took was not what he he thought it was.

I cant help to think that something strange happend, like him getting the wrong pills? there is definitly something odd in all of this and it seems one way or another there is a cover up.

[Edited 3/26/17 5:34am]

or he could have just left it as intended, many have said he completed his glyph on his twitter or something and he revealed the pic with the third eye glasses just before he died, that's what I heard on here. I wasn't watching his twitter close enough to know. then we had some wackjob who claimed to have tweets that she screensaved where he told her he knew how to plan his suicide to look like an accident but that lady looked totally fruitloops to me.

fortuneandserendipity said:

oscarchristio777 said:

The thing about a deathwish or suicide theory that seems strange to me is the way he was described found. It seems like he was trying to get help or do something, if someone were really suicidal would they bother to try and get dressed and get to somewhere else if they had truly been focused and determined to break on through to the other side.

Somone mentioned that he was suppose to commence rehab the next day , who knows what he really was thinking, maybe he couldnt sleep due to pain and anxiety feelings connected to entering rehab maybe he took a handfull of pills to get through the night, maybe he'd done that same dose before and thought he'd be ok but then realised what he took was not what he he thought it was.

I cant help to think that something strange happend, like him getting the wrong pills? there is definitly something odd in all of this and it seems one way or another there is a cover up.

[Edited 3/26/17 5:34am]

According to Dr Drew, it said 'contains fentanyl' marked on the bag. At the very least he knew the risk.

Dr. Drew knows less than we do about this case.

There were less than 30 Watson labeled pills that were in different bottles some were mixed with Aleve and Advil bottles. Nothing at the Park was labeled Fentanyl.

muleFunk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

According to Dr Drew, it said 'contains fentanyl' marked on the bag. At the very least he knew the risk.

Dr. Drew knows less than we do about this case.

There were less than 30 Watson labeled pills that were in different bottles some were mixed with Aleve and Advil bottles. Nothing at the Park was labeled Fentanyl.

You don't know that. He made that remark on the recent documentary 'Prince: The End'. He may know something about the investigation we don't,

but even if we acknowledge Dr Drew was talking out of his ass, P knew there was a risk bc of what happened less than a week earlier.

And to those who claim there was nothing more to the 'moline incident' than an underlying illness, the weight of evidence points towards different

illicit pills being taken, and no particular medication used for a specific illness.

KaresB said:

lastdecember said:

But again you are missing the point of language and how the general public looks and sees and hears DRUG OVERDOSE and assumes something sinister on the person's part. In many cases someone has died by taking something and then taking something else but the werent told not to do that or they have 2 different doctors etc... and then a headline reads so and so dead from a drug overdose people dont assoiciate drug overdoses with doctors fucking up the blame is always on the person. Despite opioids being an epidemic when these deaths happen discussions occur for a few days and then its back to status quo of prescribing or this stuff just being out there for anyone.

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No, I think you are missing the point. You have said before that there should be a clear distinction between "medicine" and "drug" – I have pointed out that is nonsense as the terms mean the same. They might have different connotations to you or for a lot of people, I am not doubting that, yet that's a different thing and we can't help that. People are either interested in hearing the reasons behind certain cases of drug overdoses or not. Just becuse you are trying to call it a "medicine overdose" or "accident" or whatever, will not change the minds of those who can only think along the lines of "yet another black artist OD'd".

I understand that people are trying to sugarcoat things because it's about our hero, but the sad fact is Prince has died of a drug overdose. Of course it is perfectly OK to talk about the reasons behind his decision to take those drugs and I can also accept that most probably he was in extreme pain for many long years so he needed strong painkillers not to get high but simply to get along, but painkillers are drugs too.

People are dying of (accidental or deliberate) overdose of paracetamol or any other medicine (=drug) out there that are generally accepted as being harmless pills and yes, those are also cases of drug overdoses.

In some languages we make a distinction between medicine and drugs/narcotics. To call both by the same name is actually a bit confusing to me.

fortuneandserendipity said:

muleFunk said:

Dr. Drew knows less than we do about this case.

There were less than 30 Watson labeled pills that were in different bottles some were mixed with Aleve and Advil bottles. Nothing at the Park was labeled Fentanyl.

You don't know that. He made that remark on the recent documentary 'Prince: The End'. He may know something about the investigation we don't,

but even if we acknowledge Dr Drew was talking out of his ass, P knew there was a risk bc of what happened less than a week earlier.

And to those who claim there was nothing more to the 'moline incident' than an underlying illness, the weight of evidence points towards different

illicit pills being taken, and no particular medication used for a specific illness.

I bet money he doesn't.

The Moline Incident could have been him taking any opiate with a cold medication which it was known that he was suffering from flu all winter and from the fact that the Atlanta shows were canceled because of flu. People who saw him in Atlanta said he was treating himself like he had a cold.

Remember that the FIRST leaks said that Prince had Percocets all over the house. You haven't heard jack since it was determined that Fentanyl was the drug in his system. Too many people are jumping to the conclusion that Prince was a drug user without examining the circumstances surrounding this case.

KaresB said:

The point is though that to me I can look at this case by case but I'd say 95% of the world will not or even care too. They hear drug overdose and it goes on the list of drugged up musicians etc...and that is fact. If you think the average joe is really gonna care that this may have been an accident or given to him by a doctor etc...they don't that is why prescriptions are handed out like candy for everything.

Also the constant reference to his Pain is still unproven. Injuries yes he did have them I was at one of the shows where he suffered an early injury, but this constant talk of how he was in endless pain is misleading and unfounded just like having a hip surgery is still not proven.

The reality may be that Prince was not well which is clear to anyone who sees a photo from 2016 and then Sees one of him with 3rd eye girl two years before, and the reason may not have been pain.

I'm watching this The End show that CNN made right now and it's so full of holes that they should have been ashamed to broadcast this.

paulludvig said:

KaresB said:

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No, I think you are missing the point. You have said before that there should be a clear distinction between "medicine" and "drug" – I have pointed out that is nonsense as the terms mean the same. They might have different connotations to you or for a lot of people, I am not doubting that, yet that's a different thing and we can't help that. People are either interested in hearing the reasons behind certain cases of drug overdoses or not. Just becuse you are trying to call it a "medicine overdose" or "accident" or whatever, will not change the minds of those who can only think along the lines of "yet another black artist OD'd".

I understand that people are trying to sugarcoat things because it's about our hero, but the sad fact is Prince has died of a drug overdose. Of course it is perfectly OK to talk about the reasons behind his decision to take those drugs and I can also accept that most probably he was in extreme pain for many long years so he needed strong painkillers not to get high but simply to get along, but painkillers are drugs too.

People are dying of (accidental or deliberate) overdose of paracetamol or any other medicine (=drug) out there that are generally accepted as being harmless pills and yes, those are also cases of drug overdoses.

In some languages we make a distinction between medicine and drugs/narcotics. To call both by the same name is actually a bit confusing to me.

We make a distinction too, which is why we have a word 'medicine' and a word 'drug' and also a word 'poison.' But both medicines and poisons are drugs, and some drugs are both medicine and poison, depending on dose and circumstance. A drug is anything that has a psychophysical effect on the body, whether beneficial, harmful, or both. And you cannot make a neat distinction between them with language, because there isn't a neat distinction in terms of their action, and as someone commented above, the attempt to do so in relation to P is to do with people's prejudices about what drug-taking is, as opposed to medicine-taking.

lastdecember said:

KaresB said:

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No, I think you are missing the point. You have said before that there should be a clear distinction between "medicine" and "drug" – I have pointed out that is nonsense as the terms mean the same. They might have different connotations to you or for a lot of people, I am not doubting that, yet that's a different thing and we can't help that. People are either interested in hearing the reasons behind certain cases of drug overdoses or not. Just becuse you are trying to call it a "medicine overdose" or "accident" or whatever, will not change the minds of those who can only think along the lines of "yet another black artist OD'd".

I understand that people are trying to sugarcoat things because it's about our hero, but the sad fact is Prince has died of a drug overdose. Of course it is perfectly OK to talk about the reasons behind his decision to take those drugs and I can also accept that most probably he was in extreme pain for many long years so he needed strong painkillers not to get high but simply to get along, but painkillers are drugs too.

People are dying of (accidental or deliberate) overdose of paracetamol or any other medicine (=drug) out there that are generally accepted as being harmless pills and yes, those are also cases of drug overdoses.

The point is though that to me I can look at this case by case but I'd say 95% of the world will not or even care too. They hear drug overdose and it goes on the list of drugged up musicians etc...and that is fact. If you think the average joe is really gonna care that this may have been an accident or given to him by a doctor etc...they don't that is why prescriptions are handed out like candy for everything. Also the constant reference to his Pain is still unproven. Injuries yes he did have them I was at one of the shows where he suffered an early injury, but this constant talk of how he was in endless pain is misleading and unfounded just like having a hip surgery is still not proven. The reality may be that Prince was not well which is clear to anyone who sees a photo from 2016 and then Sees one of him with 3rd eye girl two years before, and the reason may not have been pain.

Because other people have prejudices is not a reason to try and deny what happened - it is the prejudice that needs to be changed to be more compassionate to people's struggles with these things. There is more than enough different sources for us to be relatively sure the claims about his pain are not unfounded. And I agree, he was unwell, longish-term use of Vicodin will do serious damage to your body because of the amount of acetominophen in them. It breaks my fucking heart, but it is what it is.

sonshine said:

PeteSilas said:

i've heard that it happens fast too, i wonder if it would happen so fast that he would not have time to get up and get his car. anyway you cut it, for a guy as smart as prince was, it's damn stupid to take something just 5 days after you almost died and it's damn stupid to not have anyone around.

Yes, that he was left alone made me so angry for a time and then I just had to let it go knowing those in his circle probably couldn't feel any worse than they already did. I like to believe they would have done things differently if they could go back. But that's not how it works. It knocked the wind out of me learning help was on the way if only he could have hung on just a tiny bit longer. So many "if's", so many broken hearts. I would like to also clear up some misinformation here. This has not been labeled a homicide or murder investigation. It was ruled an accidental, self administered fentanyl overdose. That's never changed. There is no foul play suspected. I live in MN and the only thing that's being investigated (if anything) is how he got the drugs. But that may be impossible to figure out. Especially after this much time. He wasn't a druggie. He was just another victim of the opioid epidemic in this country albeit a high profile one. My heart breaks knowing he struggled and was too ashamed/proud or too fearful of the bad publicity to seek proper help and treatment for both his pain issues and his substance abuse issues. He didn't want to die, nor did he know he was going to that night. It was an unfortunate accident that took him way too soon. If nothing else it's very telling about the danger and the power of opiates if they got over on him.

to the sentences I bolded and underlined.

Militant said:

rap said:

Did you ever consider asking her about the circumstances surrounding Prince's death, and whether or not he left a will?

Well, I know that there was definitely a will made around 2003/2004.

Who knows what happened to it, but if it were to be found, my understanding is that it'd be valid.

Militant, I take you at your word that there was a will from 2003/2004. However, it has been 11 months (to the day) since the first filing regarding The Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson. I would think that Judge Eide and the other employees of Carver County who are working on all activities related to P's estate have exhasuted all avenues in order to find a valid will. My best guess is that as a part of the process of trying to locate a will, someone from Carver County reached out to both Mayte and Manuela to inquire about the existence of a will.

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Furthermore, if Prince had a will dated to 2003/2004, Manuela certainly would have been a/the beneficiary of that will given that she was his wife at the time. If the will was still valid, Manuela would be a beneficiary, yet none of the estate documents have ever mentioned her as a possible beneficiary/heir. If the will was still valid from 2003/2004, I think it's fair to say that Mani would have come forward and laid claim to whatever part of the estate was hers to gain. If the will that existed during his marriage to Mayte was still valid, I think it's fair to say that Mayte would have come forward and laid claim to whatever part of the estate was hers to gain.

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The wills that date from his marriages to Mayte and Mani either don't exist, or if they do exist, are not valid. No other scenario makes sense. I have every reason to believe that Carver County has exhausted all avenues to locate previous wills. It is in the County's interest to find a valid will, if one exists, because of the money it costs to pay the people, such as Judge Eide, who are handling matters related to Prince's estate, as well as the cost of paper and other materials required to print all of the documents. Furthermore, a valid will would have prevented an enormous amount of nonsense related to Prince's estate, namely, these maniacs such as Claire Elliott and Rodney Dixon making their bogus claims to be heirs to Prince's estate.

Imo Prince just looked different during the P&M shows. Still a beautiful soul but just looked tired and not well to me.

rogifan said:

Imo Prince just looked different during the P&M shows. Still a beautiful soul but just looked tired and not well to me.

he really did look different, and I never dwelled on it because I'm not one of these critical fans who complain about his latest style change. but after the fact, when you look at shows just a short time, and to me, 2011 is a short time, he looked fantastic. it should have been obvious something was up, i recall after he died, someone on here said that a friend they took to a p&m show said "he doesn't look lie he's going to live much longer" so i guess people did notice. at 57 it was too easy to put it down to aging but really, what you do and how you live shows on your face. I remember how teenage college students would look older around finals and we all know people of different ages who look all wrong for their age.

muleFunk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

According to Dr Drew, it said 'contains fentanyl' marked on the bag. At the very least he knew the risk.

Dr. Drew knows less than we do about this case.

There were less than 30 Watson labeled pills that were in different bottles some were mixed with Aleve and Advil bottles. Nothing at the Park was labeled Fentanyl.

Ithink he was ill and wished to die Tyka did say he "needed to go"...i think he tried to do it on the plane and when that failed he made sure no one was around and suceeded ,,,and being Prince he put his clothes on backward (if that really is the case ) and went in the elevator and punched a higher floor just because he is Prince RIP

80tomato said:

muleFunk said:

Dr. Drew knows less than we do about this case.

There were less than 30 Watson labeled pills that were in different bottles some were mixed with Aleve and Advil bottles. Nothing at the Park was labeled Fentanyl.

Ithink he was ill and wished to die Tyka did say he "needed to go"...i think he tried to do it on the plane and when that failed he made sure no one was around and suceeded ,,,and being Prince he put his clothes on backward (if that really is the case ) and went in the elevator and punched a higher floor just because he is Prince RIP

ya, the elevator thing did seem awful coincidental, as do the glyph and the twitter pic not to mention the songs he sang, breakdown, way back home.

PeteSilas said:

80tomato said:

Ithink he was ill and wished to die Tyka did say he "needed to go"...i think he tried to do it on the plane and when that failed he made sure no one was around and suceeded ,,,and being Prince he put his clothes on backward (if that really is the case ) and went in the elevator and punched a higher floor just because he is Prince RIP

ya, the elevator thing did seem awful coincidental, as do the glyph and the twitter pic not to mention the songs he sang, breakdown, way back home.

I remember Kurt Cobain had tried at least once in Italy but his wife saved him ,only to get alone and shoot himself a few weeks later ....so sad

rogifan said:

I'm not sure if I'd say he looked unwell. I think it's just a case of him wearing less makeup in his final months that gave the impression that he was starting to show his age. He was nearly 60, after all.

EmmaMcG said:

Yes and the big afro didn't help. But that reminds me of something Kim Berry said. I know some thought the afro was Prince making a statement but Kim Berry said it was because Prince wanted to go natural and he told her it was great because he wouldn't need to have his hair done so often. Maybe he was just going through a phase where he wanted to be more natural, wear less makeup etc. but it's also possible if he was ill and not feeling well he maybe didn't have the energy to get made up all the time anymore.

206Michelle said:

Militant said:

Well, I know that there was definitely a will made around 2003/2004.

Who knows what happened to it, but if it were to be found, my understanding is that it'd be valid.

Militant, I take you at your word that there was a will from 2003/2004. However, it has been 11 months (to the day) since the first filing regarding The Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson. I would think that Judge Eide and the other employees of Carver County who are working on all activities related to P's estate have exhasuted all avenues in order to find a valid will. My best guess is that as a part of the process of trying to locate a will, someone from Carver County reached out to both Mayte and Manuela to inquire about the existence of a will.

--

Furthermore, if Prince had a will dated to 2003/2004, Manuela certainly would have been a/the beneficiary of that will given that she was his wife at the time. If the will was still valid, Manuela would be a beneficiary, yet none of the estate documents have ever mentioned her as a possible beneficiary/heir. If the will was still valid from 2003/2004, I think it's fair to say that Mani would have come forward and laid claim to whatever part of the estate was hers to gain. If the will that existed during his marriage to Mayte was still valid, I think it's fair to say that Mayte would have come forward and laid claim to whatever part of the estate was hers to gain.

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The wills that date from his marriages to Mayte and Mani either don't exist, or if they do exist, are not valid. No other scenario makes sense. I have every reason to believe that Carver County has exhausted all avenues to locate previous wills. It is in the County's interest to find a valid will, if one exists, because of the money it costs to pay the people, such as Judge Eide, who are handling matters related to Prince's estate, as well as the cost of paper and other materials required to print all of the documents. Furthermore, a valid will would have prevented an enormous amount of nonsense related to Prince's estate, namely, these maniacs such as Claire Elliott and Rodney Dixon making their bogus claims to be heirs to Prince's estate.

The only documents the court does not have are the 65 boxes that the looney lawyer Patrick Cousins has been subpeoned for. Who knows why this fool did not just turn over the docs he had. I do not know if a will is in his docs but let us be honest he is a shady character so anything is possible he is an attorney who stole a church and pretended to be Prince's agent. So What does that tell you.

lastdecember said:

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No, I think you are missing the point. You have said before that there should be a clear distinction between "medicine" and "drug" – I have pointed out that is nonsense as the terms mean the same. They might have different connotations to you or for a lot of people, I am not doubting that, yet that's a different thing and we can't help that. People are either interested in hearing the reasons behind certain cases of drug overdoses or not. Just becuse you are trying to call it a "medicine overdose" or "accident" or whatever, will not change the minds of those who can only think along the lines of "yet another black artist OD'd".

I understand that people are trying to sugarcoat things because it's about our hero, but the sad fact is Prince has died of a drug overdose. Of course it is perfectly OK to talk about the reasons behind his decision to take those drugs and I can also accept that most probably he was in extreme pain for many long years so he needed strong painkillers not to get high but simply to get along, but painkillers are drugs too.

People are dying of (accidental or deliberate) overdose of paracetamol or any other medicine (=drug) out there that are generally accepted as being harmless pills and yes, those are also cases of drug overdoses.

The point is though that to me I can look at this case by case but I'd say 95% of the world will not or even care too. They hear drug overdose and it goes on the list of drugged up musicians etc...and that is fact. If you think the average joe is really gonna care that this may have been an accident or given to him by a doctor etc...they don't that is why prescriptions are handed out like candy for everything. Also the constant reference to his Pain is still unproven. Injuries yes he did have them I was at one of the shows where he suffered an early injury, but this constant talk of how he was in endless pain is misleading and unfounded just like having a hip surgery is still not proven. The reality may be that Prince was not well which is clear to anyone who sees a photo from 2016 and then Sees one of him with 3rd eye girl two years before, and the reason may not have been pain.

"Also the constant reference to his Pain is still unproven. Injuries yes he did have them I was at one of the shows where he suffered an early injury, but this constant talk of how he was in endless pain is misleading and unfounded just like having a hip surgery is still not proven."

Not unproven just some people refuse to believe it. Prince mentioned his surgery in a 2010 Ebony Interview, and Billy Sparks said he had hip surgery not replacement. Pics of his in an old person sccoter were around back around 2004, Kevin Smith said one day while filming the Rainbow Children Doc he told him he could not get up because he knee was frozen, Alan Leeds said he saw him getting shots in his legs. Tavis Smiley has mentioned his surgery. Lastly two scars were reported to be on his leg from the autospy report. One going from his knee to his ankle and one at his hip. Just Goggle or use the search engine.