PurpleDiamonds1 said:

We do not know how Prince got the fentanyl in him. The pills found were hydrocodone laced with fentanyl. The narcan shot he received had no ill effect on him because he was not on any drugs. Narcan if given to someone on drugs can make you go through withdrawals, Prince was seen up and about even riding his bike. That last day still does not add up. You had Phaedra supposedly call the Cali Drs in for help for an OD that was about to happen...how would she know? Then the dr sends his son, Andrew who is unlicensed with suboxone ...we don't know what else he brought. Andrew also showed up in Minnisota the night of the 20th to treat a gravely ill Prince but waits until it's too late to see him? If Prince was gravely ill why was he out the night of the 20th? (Not looking gravely ill at all) Then we heard he tweeted, did emails, worked on a song, and made phone calls. IMO Something happened to him and it was not his doing. His death is still a homicide.

Cosign!

if the reports are true that he was probably dead 6 to 8 hours before they found him didnt he really die on the 20th?? because when they go tto paisley and discovered him it was like 10 that morning .we will never what he was thinking that day or day before unless some kind of written note or video he recorded comes to light detailing something . all we got our wild theories

rogifan said:

cbarnes3121 said:

if the reports are true that he was probably dead 6 to 8 hours before they found him didnt he really die on the 20th?? because when they go tto paisley and discovered him it was like 10 that morning .we will never what he was thinking that day or day before unless some kind of written note or video he recorded comes to light detailing something . all we got our wild theories

that's the other thing that doesn't make sense, why isn't there video of paisley park that night, someone leaked that he had all the video cameras turned off, who knows if it's true but we know how paranoid he was and today videocameras are everywhere in society so why weren't they running? I have several different theories, none of which make sense but one of them has to be true.

1. simple overdose, he was addicted and couldn't control himself.

2. he had a disease which he was too proud to allow run it's course so he killed himself first and made it look like an accident.

3. he was in terrible excruciating pain and relief was worth the risk of dying so he took it.

4. Maybe his mental state wasn't what we think, maybe he was suicidally depressed. and maybe he was mentally ill way past the point that we know of.

none of these make sense but murder theories make even less sense to me.

PeteSilas said:

I am still trying to find out more info about how Prince doing between March 25th and April 7th. He had some time off between Piano & Mic shows here and I can't find any info on how he was doing during this period. We know the show April 7th was cancelled, but not much on what how he was doing between April 7th and April 14th.

laurarichardson said:

Didn't someone say that they would release the final results of the investigation to his death at the one year anniversary????

Angele said:

laurarichardson said:

Angele said:

Didn't someone say that they would release the final results of the investigation to his death at the one year anniversary????

--The Carver County Sheriff department will have to open the file to the public if they decide to close the case. If they are keeping the case open and continuing we the public will not access to the file. At this point I do not know what is going to happen they have kept the case open for a year without a peep. The only thing we have any idea about is the police saying the file was not going to open be sour the case was active and on going with person or persons being investigated. So they are looking at someone as a suspect but having proof is a whole another issue.

FBI will find a damn stolen jersey but not drug findings? dumb.

paisleypark4 said:

April is just around the corner, so we will find out.

It's very unlikely that we'll know all of the full story, same with George Michael. Both men were very private, and it's a testament to the regard that they were held in by colleagues and friends that more details haven't been disclosed, as they would have wished.

jjam said:

It's very unlikely that we'll know all of the full story, same with George Michael. Both men were very private, and it's a testament to the regard that they were held in by colleagues and friends that more details haven't been disclosed, as they would have wished.

George Michael's death is not a mystery. He had heart disease, exacerbated by years of hard living.

jjam said:

It's very unlikely that we'll know all of the full story, same with George Michael. Both men were very private, and it's a testament to the regard that they were held in by colleagues and friends that more details haven't been disclosed, as they would have wished.

i think it's pretty clear with GM, he had bad drug problems, we didn't hear much of alcohol but that must have been an issue too, the fatty liver in a man his age is usually caused by alcohol according to "experts". With Prince we know nothing more than the coroner said an accidental death from fentanyl, most of us think it was a bit more complicated than that.

Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

If you take a medication that you thought to be Vicodin and it's actually laced with Fentanyl( enough so that it would have killed several large men) no tolerance would have prevented this from happening.

PeteSilas said:

cbarnes3121 said:

if the reports are true that he was probably dead 6 to 8 hours before they found him didnt he really die on the 20th?? because when they go tto paisley and discovered him it was like 10 that morning .we will never what he was thinking that day or day before unless some kind of written note or video he recorded comes to light detailing something . all we got our wild theories

that's the other thing that doesn't make sense, why isn't there video of paisley park that night, someone leaked that he had all the video cameras turned off, who knows if it's true but we know how paranoid he was and today videocameras are everywhere in society so why weren't they running? I have several different theories, none of which make sense but one of them has to be true.

1. simple overdose, he was addicted and couldn't control himself.

2. he had a disease which he was too proud to allow run it's course so he killed himself first and made it look like an accident.

3. he was in terrible excruciating pain and relief was worth the risk of dying so he took it.

4. Maybe his mental state wasn't what we think, maybe he was suicidally depressed. and maybe he was mentally ill way past the point that we know of.

none of these make sense but murder theories make even less sense to me.

with all the questions i dont think we wil ever get clear answers on what happend for the life of me i will never believe the addicted to drugs theory . seems as if that was true it would of came to surface long before he passed.all i know he is mised like crazy and the greatest that ever lived

Pete ....

There is a weaponized form of Fentanyl although that's highly unlikely but still possible.

There are $200 million reasons why murder is a possible factor and the fact that he was becoming more and more militant. Several months before Prince died someone made a meme about Prince having 38 years in music and no scandals. I thought it to be odd then and even more after his death.

Let's say that Prince was taking pain meds for his pain issues and he took his meds on the plane after the concert. Let's say that he took cold meds before the concert. That will get you. Took out Gerald Levert in the same way.

Let's say that Prince and others see those changes in his appearence/ the plane incident and he's like something is wrong with me and folks start calling around for a specialist in pain meds. It looks like he's become dependent but what has happened he has been taking fake meds that are laced with other drugs.

Then he's hurting on April 21 and he takes the last one.

The problem is that he was found with clothes on backwards and in the elevator......

PeteSilas said:

SomeSoldier said:

PeteSilas said:

that's the other thing that doesn't make sense, why isn't there video of paisley park that night, someone leaked that he had all the video cameras turned off, who knows if it's true but we know how paranoid he was and today videocameras are everywhere in society so why weren't they running? I have several different theories, none of which make sense but one of them has to be true.

1. simple overdose, he was addicted and couldn't control himself.

2. he had a disease which he was too proud to allow run it's course so he killed himself first and made it look like an accident.

3. he was in terrible excruciating pain and relief was worth the risk of dying so he took it.

4. Maybe his mental state wasn't what we think, maybe he was suicidally depressed. and maybe he was mentally ill way past the point that we know of.

none of these make sense but murder theories make even less sense to me.

My guess is a mix of all four (well, at least 1, 3 and 4). We have heard from a few people that he was in pain, and Tyka said recently that he was 'tired', which to me sounds like a euphemism for depressed...

i don't necessarily believe what tyka said but I know that when i tell people I'm tired, it's not depression, it's deeper than that, it's like i run out of life force and just don't want to deal with people anymore. i don't know if he was depressed, some people have said that though.

muleFunk said:

Pete ....

There is a weaponized form of Fentanyl although that's highly unlikely but still possible.

There are $200 million reasons why murder is a possible factor and the fact that he was becoming more and more militant. Several months before Prince died someone made a meme about Prince having 38 years in music and no scandals. I thought it to be odd then and even more after his death.

Let's say that Prince was taking pain meds for his pain issues and he took his meds on the plane after the concert. Let's say that he took cold meds before the concert. That will get you. Took out Gerald Levert in the same way.

Let's say that Prince and others see those changes in his appearence/ the plane incident and he's like something is wrong with me and folks start calling around for a specialist in pain meds. It looks like he's become dependent but what has happened he has been taking fake meds that are laced with other drugs.

Then he's hurting on April 21 and he takes the last one.

The problem is that he was found with clothes on backwards and in the elevator......

anything's possible but i need proof before I'll believe that he was murdered. Most of the black leaders and thinkers who are saying this, i can't take seriously, i just think they are trying to exploit black paranoia. Dick gregory, umar johnson and others are running with this but i doubt they believe it themselves. they know what to say to people to brainwash them. If it were me and i'd almost od'd, i damn sure wouldn't take anything and i would rush myself to some kind of help, that's just me. what i wouldn't do would be to take another pill from the street and risk it happening again. After prince died i threw away my migraine medication, i've had horrendous migraines since, but i removed the temptation so i just have to tough it out. I never took that many and i never liked taking them but I'm making sure i'm not going to be dependent on them. I believe Prince was a much stronger, more disciplined man than me. He also seemed to be paranoid if what we hear is true, if someone did get something to him, it could only be a person he trusted above everyone else.

also, the backwards clothes is bizarre but people are found in all kinds of states when they die, elvis was found with his pants down. Death really doesn't give you much time to prepare sometimes and try to look cool. I don't know, i'll grant it's bizarre as fuck, but like i said when that new came out, there been times when i've been frazzled, ran out of a strip club with my shit on inside out, it happens if you're not thinking straight.

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There are two things running rampant around forums that kind of irks me... the first is going throught every song lyric of the past few years and every performance, taking an emotional lyric and interpreting everything like its "P knowing he is gonna die" or citing the Montreaux performance and using facial expressions to exclaim "P knew he had limited time" and stuff like that. Why can't an emotional line or song simply be an emotional line or song? This isn't a Blackstar thing - at least if it is there is no way any of us can know that. The second thing is talking about Prince being murdered - that is just ridiculous lol. Simply a person overdosing on some chemicals that should not have been in the drugs they were using, and obtained through shady means more likely because there was an additction. To me anything else is kind of unlikely and not nearly as realisticly based on the facts that are out there

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PeteSilas said:

muleFunk said:

Pete ....

There is a weaponized form of Fentanyl although that's highly unlikely but still possible.

There are $200 million reasons why murder is a possible factor and the fact that he was becoming more and more militant. Several months before Prince died someone made a meme about Prince having 38 years in music and no scandals. I thought it to be odd then and even more after his death.

Let's say that Prince was taking pain meds for his pain issues and he took his meds on the plane after the concert. Let's say that he took cold meds before the concert. That will get you. Took out Gerald Levert in the same way.

Let's say that Prince and others see those changes in his appearence/ the plane incident and he's like something is wrong with me and folks start calling around for a specialist in pain meds. It looks like he's become dependent but what has happened he has been taking fake meds that are laced with other drugs.

Then he's hurting on April 21 and he takes the last one.

The problem is that he was found with clothes on backwards and in the elevator......

anything's possible but i need proof before I'll believe that he was murdered. Most of the black leaders and thinkers who are saying this, i can't take seriously, i just think they are trying to exploit black paranoia. Dick gregory, umar johnson and others are running with this but i doubt they believe it themselves. they know what to say to people to brainwash them. If it were me and i'd almost od'd, i damn sure wouldn't take anything and i would rush myself to some kind of help, that's just me. what i wouldn't do would be to take another pill from the street and risk it happening again. After prince died i threw away my migraine medication, i've had horrendous migraines since, but i removed the temptation so i just have to tough it out. I never took that many and i never liked taking them but I'm making sure i'm not going to be dependent on them. I believe Prince was a much stronger, more disciplined man than me. He also seemed to be paranoid if what we hear is true, if someone did get something to him, it could only be a person he trusted above everyone else.

also, the backwards clothes is bizarre but people are found in all kinds of states when they die, elvis was found with his pants down. Death really doesn't give you much time to prepare sometimes and try to look cool. I don't know, i'll grant it's bizarre as fuck, but like i said when that new came out, there been times when i've been frazzled, ran out of a strip club with my shit on inside out, it happens if you're not thinking straight.

[Edited 3/23/17 17:03pm]

That's my point ...

It's very possible he didn't know it was from the street. It's possible thinking that he was taking prescription meds. I don't think he would have been taking street meds or counterfeit meds when he had the means to get those drugs illegally through legal sources. My law enforcement sources say it happens all the time. However I think that he was getting those meds through a mail order prescription drug company in Canada which some of those companies found medications that were counterfeit last Spring. I am still trying to find that source but I read that on several sites after April 21. The DEA said that he didn't have any prescriptions in America but it didn't say a word about Canada.

Elvis was found on the floor in his bathroom after saying that he was going to have a bowel movement. He had his PJs on and they were down around his feet. He also died of heart failure due to long term drug use.

I agree with you about Death not caring what you look like when she comes but something is still foul about that. Fentanyl in the amounts found in his system and from that one pill would have killed him within minutes. He wouldn't suddenly pop up and frantically put clothes on backwards.

BTW Pete I'm paranoid as Hell ,especially since D.C. is in the shape it's in now.

muleFunk said:

PeteSilas said:

anything's possible but i need proof before I'll believe that he was murdered. Most of the black leaders and thinkers who are saying this, i can't take seriously, i just think they are trying to exploit black paranoia. Dick gregory, umar johnson and others are running with this but i doubt they believe it themselves. they know what to say to people to brainwash them. If it were me and i'd almost od'd, i damn sure wouldn't take anything and i would rush myself to some kind of help, that's just me. what i wouldn't do would be to take another pill from the street and risk it happening again. After prince died i threw away my migraine medication, i've had horrendous migraines since, but i removed the temptation so i just have to tough it out. I never took that many and i never liked taking them but I'm making sure i'm not going to be dependent on them. I believe Prince was a much stronger, more disciplined man than me. He also seemed to be paranoid if what we hear is true, if someone did get something to him, it could only be a person he trusted above everyone else.

also, the backwards clothes is bizarre but people are found in all kinds of states when they die, elvis was found with his pants down. Death really doesn't give you much time to prepare sometimes and try to look cool. I don't know, i'll grant it's bizarre as fuck, but like i said when that new came out, there been times when i've been frazzled, ran out of a strip club with my shit on inside out, it happens if you're not thinking straight.

[Edited 3/23/17 17:03pm]

That's my point ...

It's very possible he didn't know it was from the street. It's possible thinking that he was taking prescription meds. I don't think he would have been taking street meds or counterfeit meds when he had the means to get those drugs illegally through legal sources. My law enforcement sources say it happens all the time. However I think that he was getting those meds through a mail order prescription drug company in Canada which some of those companies found medications that were counterfeit last Spring. I am still trying to find that source but I read that on several sites after April 21. The DEA said that he didn't have any prescriptions in America but it didn't say a word about Canada.

Elvis was found on the floor in his bathroom after saying that he was going to have a bowel movement. He had his PJs on and they were down around his feet. He also died of heart failure due to long term drug use.

I agree with you about Death not caring what you look like when she comes but something is still foul about that. Fentanyl in the amounts found in his system and from that one pill would have killed him within minutes. He wouldn't suddenly pop up and frantically put clothes on backwards.

from what i hear about those types of od's, it's highly unusual for him to be found in an elevator too. I guess, what Michael Baden implied was that these drugs will take away your motor abilities so fast that you won't really have time, i don't know a lot about drugs. maybe prince staged it all himself, there is also the interesting fact that the pic on his twitter was changed to remove the sunglasses and reveal a tear and closed eyes as well as his glyph being completed. something isn't as simple as any of the 'official" reasons we're getting that's for sure. some fans seem to not care about this but I'd say most of us do. something is rotten in denmark.

muleFunk said:

BTW Pete I'm paranoid as Hell ,especially since D.C. is in the shape it's in now.

i'm paranoid as hell too, probably as much or more than you, but I can't jump to conclusions, that's just the way i am. for whatever reason, i've never been able to shake a bad case of naivety completely off although the world has done a fine job of most of it.

Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

Phedra was running NPG and Tyka was working doing takedown notices.

Tyka was indeed doing takedown stuff, on behalf of NPG Publishing - at the time she was using an NPGMusicPublishing.com email address. She was in touch with us on the staff team frequently at that time as well.

Did you ever consider asking her about the circumstances surrounding Prince's death, and whether or not he left a will?

isnt the problem they r focusing on where the drugs came from more than the potential homicide

rap said:

Militant said:

Tyka was indeed doing takedown stuff, on behalf of NPG Publishing - at the time she was using an NPGMusicPublishing.com email address. She was in touch with us on the staff team frequently at that time as well.

Did you ever consider asking her about the circumstances surrounding Prince's death, and whether or not he left a will?

Well, I know that there was definitely a will made around 2003/2004.

Who knows what happened to it, but if it were to be found, my understanding is that it'd be valid.