CherryMoon57 said:

Watch 'Breakdown' live (Montreux 2013).

Listen to the lyrics,

Listen to me closely as the story unfolds
This could be the saddest story even been told
[...] I don't want to go... but I got to

the intensity and his tears at the end, even Ida looked upset.

Something was clearly going on and I think they all knew.

Breakdown in the Piano and Microphone Gala Concert 1 is the best version by far..

If you can listen to that... that says alot..

IamBryan said:

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...

Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...

We know on April 20th, he outside Wallgreens waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...

I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??

I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...

Please be nice...

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I'll be more than nice because I'm with you, but about Tyka, and this is not an attack, even though Tyka, his other siblings and Prince weren't that close. Tyka was still his only full sibling where they were raised under the same household and I believe every word she says. I think we are all just upset that he left us this soon and how he left us on top of that. If you don't want to believe Tyka then believe Prince himself. It was two years ago 2014 that Art Official Age came out. Listen to The Breakdown, U Know, and especially Way Back Home. Listen to them again if you have already. That was his way of getting us prepared like he tried to get Tyka prepared. I don't think he wanted to die. I keep saying this I believe he was diagnosed with.. I don't like to say the word, just listen to that one line in "U Know. PS. I don't mean what the Enquirer was saying he died of either. Now that was some bullshit!

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laurarichardson said:

IamBryan said:

hmmm....I guess Prince was pretty forgiving...didn't she take him court in the late 80s, saying he stole one of her songs?? She is one of those relatives, that isn't seen/heard of until someone dies...then they inherit the estate! You can't honestly think that Prince would of on sound mind want her to run his estate?!

No that was his sister Lorna and he had problems with his sister Sharon who is being an asshole right now.

Lorna is no longer here and no need to call Sharon or any of his family assholes right now. If they're doing wrong that's what they'll get in return.

TurnItUp said:

I'll be more than nice because I'm with you, but about Tyka, and this is not an attack, even though Tyka, his other siblings and Prince weren't that close. Tyka was still his only full sibling where they were raised under the same household and I believe every word she says. I think we are all just upset that he left us this soon and how he left us on top of that. If you don't want to believe Tyka then believe Prince himself. It was two years ago 2014 that Art Official Age came out. Listen to The Breakdown, U Know, and especially Way Back Home. Listen to them again if you have already. That was his way of getting us prepared like he tried to get Tyka prepared. I don't think he wanted to die. I keep saying this I believe he was diagnosed with.. I don't like to say the word, just listen to that one line in "U Know. PS. I don't mean what the Enquirer was saying he died of either. Not that was some bullshit!

I agree.

I have been listening to AOA a lot in the car.

The Affirmations are killing me.

lastdecember said:

PeteSilas said:

he really did look different, and I never dwelled on it because I'm not one of these critical fans who complain about his latest style change. but after the fact, when you look at shows just a short time, and to me, 2011 is a short time, he looked fantastic. it should have been obvious something was up, i recall after he died, someone on here said that a friend they took to a p&m show said "he doesn't look lie he's going to live much longer" so i guess people did notice. at 57 it was too easy to put it down to aging but really, what you do and how you live shows on your face. I remember how teenage college students would look older around finals and we all know people of different ages who look all wrong for their age.

And not even 2011 he looked much different than he did in 2014 when he was 3rd eye girl. I personally think the idea to go out on his own was to not have anyone around to see him, maybe wonder what was wrong, notice a change in his look. After he died and some pointed this out, many on this site said "bad lighting, or it's the fro, or my favorite, he was always thin" the more i see photos of that last year the more I think of David Bowie's death.

The bottom line and I said this before. He's done countless and countless of shows and earned his title of being "one of the greatest live acts" and the G.O.A.T. But there comes a time in your life when that's not enough and you need more. It's one thing when your fans say "I love you' and you get the roar of the crowd at your shows, but what about your life offstage and what about the "I love you" from your OWN family. He needed balance in his life. As I said before he was getting older and I think he was REALLY missing his father and his son. Maybe his mother too and Vanity and Kim Upsher's deaths couldn't have helped. About his son, I'm really starting to think he regretted not having children. I think if he had them and had a close bond with them, they would've brought him through his tough times. But like that line in Way Back Home: "My bed's already made"

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Just a few thoughts on these posts.Not so much about P but my experience with drugs. Drugs effect everyone differently. Most people assume or have had the experience of an opioid or pain killer giving them a tired sleepy effect. But there are some of us Me included that can get "spun" like speed, and I'm talking on a regulated normal dose, so it is more then possible to stay "UP" for days while on in pain meds. Also I would like to add what it is like to go thru withdrawal of you never have because this too I'm am all to acquainted with. Have you ever had restless legs?? Well try restless body×100. You are so tired but your body won't let you sleep. Cold sweats that soak your clothes and sheets, your stomach is crampy either you can't shit because of drug induced constipation or diarrhea because you haven't been able to eat. You walk the floors hoping it will relieve the crawling in your legs, you sit in a warm bath hoping it will sooth your body, but it just keeps screaming at you, begging for relief and after awhile you will do almost anything to make it stop. I'm not saying these are things that P went thru but I am addressing some of the comments that have been left in this thread.

Edit

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More should come to light April 17th

TurnItUp said:

IamBryan said:

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...

Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...

We know on April 20th, he outside Wallgreens waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...

I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??

I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...

Please be nice...

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I'll be more than nice because I'm with you, but about Tyka, and this is not an attack, even though Tyka, his other siblings and Prince weren't that close. Tyka was still his only full sibling where they were raised under the same household and I believe every word she says. I think we are all just upset that he left us this soon and how he left us on top of that. If you don't want to believe Tyka then believe Prince himself. It was two years ago 2014 that Art Official Age came out. Listen to The Breakdown, U Know, and especially Way Back Home. Listen to them again if you have already. That was his way of getting us prepared like he tried to get Tyka prepared. I don't think he wanted to die. I keep saying this I believe he was diagnosed with.. I don't like to say the word, just listen to that one line in "U Know. PS. I don't mean what the Enquirer was saying he died of either. Not that was some bullshit!

ya, several people have thought of cancer, what i don't get is what's the big mystery if it was? Having terminal cancer is a more dignified way to go out than an od.

PeteSilas said:

ya, several people have thought of cancer, what i don't get is what's the big mystery if it was? Having terminal cancer is a more dignified way to go out than an od.

Exactly, why spin as an od if there was a terminal illness present?

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jayseajay said:

laurarichardson said:

jayseajay said: I guess you have never heard of these people and took s good look at the quality and productivity of their work. 1) Sly Stone 2) Rick James, 3) George Clinton. 4)Miles I use these 4 because I read their autobiographies and I just read a lot about Sly from some of these guys. Most of them told you when they started using drugs they lost interest in their music and the quality suffered. None of the were able to work at Prince's level for nearly as long. I am not an idiot I realize that a lot of people in the music industry are on drugs it show in today's music when almost every song as a drug reference. You can tell by the quality of the music how far off the rails many people are. No one can beat the side effects of these drugs for almost 20 to 30 years straigten without fucking up. Teaching a class is not anywhere near what Prince was doing and you have too many people who were looking in his face everyday and telling you he was not high. Estates cannot sue so people are free to say what they like. We are a year out so where are the stories? No drug binges. No flipping the fuck off on people. No falling down on the stage or fucking up his shows. You got one gossip column saying he needed to hips replace and was in pain meds for tat and you got others making him out to be an out of control pill head which is it? Could it be someone dependent on pain meds for real medical issues that he managed well for a while and then could not manage anymore because the stituation got worse?

Why on earth would there be drug binges? People with maintanence addictions don't necessarily go on binges...they take what they need to keep things going and then get on with it. They don't take so much that they get fucked up and fall down on stage, they take what they need to be able to do what they want to be able to do...and in all likelihood, for most of the time, Prince was taking it for exactly that purpose, to keep going, through whatever physical and possibly also emotional pain he was dealing with. It's still an addiction, in that he had to take it to be able to carry on - as I was trying to say, not all addictions conform to the stereotype of an addiction. And no one is suggesting he used Vicodin for 30 years straight, or that it's likely he had a very long term addicition (although there is some evidence that he used it in patches previously, and had likely given up until the last period began)...but how long is likely something we will never know. This idea that people think he was 'an out of control pill head'... where is it coming from? As Sonshine suggested above, in this whole horrible time, the harshest language I have heard to describe it has come from you...when you are trying to describe what he was not, or what people mistakenly think he was. But people I know who don't care that much but enough to have found out the general story seem to think 1. He took pain pills for pain caused from performance injuries 2. At some point he got addicted (possibly quite late on) and 3. At some point it got out of control (possibly really late on) insofar as by the end he was clearly making decisions which weren't safe....And that might be close to the whole story as far as we will ever understand it. I haven't heard anyone call him a 'junkie' or a 'druggie' or wotnot...and I know you want to defend his honor and his dignity, we all do...but I don't think it's in danger unless we don't allow that people can have addictions and still be good decent people.

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I agree with the bolded statement. Many people have maintenance addictions. They don't overdo it, they just take what they need to perform well in whatever job they do. And this can go on for years and years.
I have said this many months ago: the P&M was most likely to reduce expenses but also to allow him some privacy because his addiction was getting out of hand as of late, either because he became seriously ill as a result of it or because he began to need stronger medication/dosage and it was no longer as manageable as before. And in true Prince fashion he was keeping it all to himself, not asking for help, just pretending everything was good. That public appearance at the PP party right after the plane incident was his typical MO (see Oprah's show after the death of his child).
He could have had come to the conclusion that something was not right in the later months, hence the doctor appointments, the complaining about stomach pain, etc. Perhaps his tolerance to the meds was changing, therefore the need for stronger stuff. And maybe there was no way a doctor would have prescribed the quantity that he had become accostumed to and Prince resorted to illegal stuff knowing no doctor would have given him what he needed. In short, he was self medicating, perhaps even from the very start. And if you go by Mayte's words, he was taking other people's medication too, a clear sign of self medication. Being the control freak that he was, he probably feared that word would get out about his need of anxiety/insomnia/joint pain or whatever medication if he had his own prescriptions.

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MMJas said:

Then we should call it a maintenance dependency and stop carrying on as if he was on the brink of suicide. I do not agree that he was keeping it to himself because he was seeing a doctor and someone contacted Dr.K. I still do not see why people expect him to get a tower and tell the entire free world his problems. I also do not take any stock in what Mayte had to say about stuff from 20 years ago and I do believe he was managing fine until he got bad meds. I do not see why if he had to take meds that is being scrutinized by people on this board.
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TurnItUp said:

Go read the court doc and you can learn all about Sharon her behavior when their dad died was shameful. She is more concerned about money and her jazz singing career then anything else.
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laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

I agree with the bolded statement. Many people have maintenance addictions. They don't overdo it, they just take what they need to perform well in whatever job they do. And this can go on for years and years.
I have said this many months ago: the P&M was most likely to reduce expenses but also to allow him some privacy because his addiction was getting out of hand as of late, either because he became seriously ill as a result of it or because he began to need stronger medication/dosage and it was no longer as manageable as before. And in true Prince fashion he was keeping it all to himself, not asking for help, just pretending everything was good. That public appearance at the PP party right after the plane incident was his typical MO (see Oprah's show after the death of his child).
He could have had come to the conclusion that something was not right in the later months, hence the doctor appointments, the complaining about stomach pain, etc. Perhaps his tolerance to the meds was changing, therefore the need for stronger stuff. And maybe there was no way a doctor would have prescribed the quantity that he had become accostumed to and Prince resorted to illegal stuff knowing no doctor would have given him what he needed. In short, he was self medicating, perhaps even from the very start. And if you go by Mayte's words, he was taking other people's medication too, a clear sign of self medication. Being the control freak that he was, he probably feared that word would get out about his need of anxiety/insomnia/joint pain or whatever medication if he had his own prescriptions.

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Then we should call it a maintenance dependency and stop carrying on as if he was on the brink of suicide. I do not agree that he was keeping it to himself because he was seeing a doctor and someone contacted Dr.K. I still do not see why people expect him to get a tower and tell the entire free world his problems. I also do not take any stock in what Mayte had to say 20 years ago and I do believe he was managing fine until he got bad meds. [Edited 3/28/17 3:09am]

I never said he was on the brink of suicide. In fact, I find that hard to believe.

Someone contacted a Dr. because by then perhaps his addiction was getting out of hand (the whole flu rumours, shows cancelled, the lot).

MMJas said:

You did not say but others have. We do not know the reason Dr. K was called could have been an intervention or someone belived he could help since his center also does pain mgnt. If Prince had an appointment with a holistic professional I am under the impression he was trying to find a way to deal with pain without the meds and it makes me wonder if was trying to get off go them on his own maybe with Dr.S supervising and things went south.

Mumio said:

--If he had an illness like cancer he could have been fighting it for a while. Cancers can go in remission.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

As do his personal chefs.

Found this on Facebook. Photo of Prince at the Chanhassen Dinner Theatre from March 2016.

sonshine said:

I have seen it and his crazy ass ex-wife and her minion Dave is implying it all over the internet in fact he his going around saying he was a bigger drug addict them the guys in Montley Crue!

CherryMoon57 said:

Watch 'Breakdown' live (Montreux 2013).

Listen to the lyrics,

Listen to me closely as the story unfolds
This could be the saddest story even been told
[...] I don't want to go... but I got to

the intensity and his tears at the end, even Ida looked upset.

Something was clearly going on and I think they all knew.

I noticed both her and Hannah Welton looked kind of shocked and worried ..it made me watch and listen over an over..

I concluded that he was channeling his feelings about this Body Breaking down .

He knew he was not well..I mean just look how he deteriorated in even the last three Months he was here....

I believe as others have said..his body was hammered, he did that to himself..worked himself to the bone literally...I had a dream a few days after they released the Autopsy.In the dream I saw that his bones had old multiple hairline fractures, legs arms, feet...

I believe that on that day, April 21 he was Business as usual...and he was taking his pain medication to get through to the next day.

He wasnt planning to die that day...

he had been mentally preparing for his Death his whole life and I believe no matter what the circumstances..he was ready..

Love GOD

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Exactly, why spin as an od if there was a terminal illness present?

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--If he had an illness like cancer he could have been fighting it for a while. Cancers can go in remission.

He was using powerful opioids to manage his cancer? You're reaching. Why can't you admit he had an addiction problem?

Identity said:

SPECULATION....why "admit" something that we have no idea if it's true or not???
We know nothing for sure except that Prince has been gone since 4/21/2016. Everything else is speculation, lies, and BS.

https://www.theguardian.c...ip-surgery

Reading old articles now like the above certainly give credence to him as having a painkiller dependency for quite some time, when exactly it snowballed into full blown addiction is anyone's guess but it certainly does appear he was a fully addicted those final months/weeks of his life. How some fans are still choosing to live in denial about that is just mind boggling.

Identity said:

--I did not say he had cancer. I was responding to a comment about terminal illness and how if it was cancer it can go in remission. Yes, people who are terminal who have cancer do use opiads to manage their pain I have had many people I know be in Oxy so try to know what you are talking about before you spout off.

sfinky1 said:

-/No one is living in a state of denial about his final days. Lord some of you really need to work on your reading skills. Dependency on pain meds is not addiction and obviously things went bad in his final days we just do not know whatever else was going. It is obvious that many other issues were occuring and that is the part we are speculating on.
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Identity said:

Why do we have to admit to something we don't know for sure is true?

sfinky1 said:

https://www.theguardian.c...ip-surgery Reading old articles now like the above certainly give credence to him as having a painkiller dependency for quite some time, when exactly it snowballed into full blown addiction is anyone's guess but it certainly does appear he was a fully addicted those final months/weeks of his life. How some fans are still choosing to live in denial about that is just mind boggling.

reading that article Hurt...

laurarichardson said:

--I did not say he had cancer. I was responding to a comment about terminal illness and how if it was cancer it can go in remission. Yes, people who are terminal who have cancer do use opiads to manage their pain I have had many people I know be in Oxy so try to know what you are talking about before you spout off.

You're taking Prince's death too personally, thread hopping and blasting people who actually knew him, as if you had some insight into his 'situation'' or could read his thoughts.

rogifan said:

Identity said:

He was using powerful opioids to manage his cancer? You're reaching. Why can't you admit he had an addiction problem?

Why do we have to admit to something we don't know for sure is true?

WHAT isn't true? The manner in which he died? The opioids found on his body and home, or the traces of Fentanyl in his system?

dreamer5 said:

I agree. They default to no suicide only if there are not outward or obvious indication showing oherwise. Many of his actions, AOA, Plectrum Electrum, comments from family, etc. seem to indicate he may have intentially moved into another level of existence. I don't get why some people can't take a step back with an objective eye. Dying in the elevator, throwing a party to prove "all is ok" (when things are truly very not ok), year after year of indicating lonliness and depression in his music, insomnia (severe insomnia year after year), paranoia, another "unintentional" overdose on 4/21/96 (and yes it is an overdose when you need your stomach pumped), I don't get it why these are not potentially connected. Maybe there was concern that the 4/21 date was approaching. He's depressed and paranoid and there is a desperate need to get a doctor there by that time. Another thing I don't get is the ignorance displayed when discussing drug addiction and mental health issues (anxiety, depression, paranoia, ongoing severe insomnia==year after year in songs). Mental health issues and addiction issues did run in his family, so what. Why discuss these topics as if it is such a shameful subject for Prince. Maybe he would have gotten more help if there were not such stigmas. 1 in4 people stuggle with these diseases, like cancer and diabetes. I just respect anyone who has the courage to come out and tell the truth.

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I entirely agree with your comments about addiction. With regard to suicide, I don't believe for a second he deliberately killed himself in considered manner - there is no way a man who had spent his life cultivating such an immaculate image and being so in control would have chosen to have make an exit as messy as that, and I don't believe he would have chosen to do something that he would have well known would cause so much distress to both his loved ones and his fans. But as you say, all the events you mention are connected to each...he had some dark stuff to deal with, but he was also quite repressive in the way he dealt with himself - and I think his use of drugs is not unconnected to that - and in the longterm trying to repress your pain doesn't make it go away, and causes lots of unfortunate side effects, both physically and mentally. The man was as strong as an ox, but in the end, I think that it just built up to such an extent that he was overwhelmed by it...and when Tyka says he was tired, I really believe her...which is to say, I don't think he killed himself, but I think he might finally have been all out of fight....