Cue the music.

donnyenglish said:

When Prince talked to Tavis about how the rights of the creator of music will eventually devolve into a conversation about the human genome and DNA it went over my head at the time and over the head of Tavis. Upon reflection, he is talking about companies selling the DNA of individuals in the future. Things like people designing babies with someone elses DNA without permission. Interesting concept. Prince was always 50 years ahead of the rest of us. He was a genius beyond music. https://youtu.be/MiSjJZKJqx0

Im with you donnyenglish....

TrivialPursuit said:

donnyenglish said:

Just curious. What do you think he was talking about when he said this conversation about ownership of music is going to barrel into a conversation about the human genome, DNA and God Talk.

Listen, in all honesty I could usually see where ol' boy was coming from, even if he went off on a tangent about chemical trails or whatever. Doesn't mean I agreed with it, but I could at least get his concept or see how he put 2 and 2 together.

I don't remember this part of the conversation with Tavis at all.

Prince wasn't a genius on all things by default. He was able to absorb information quickly and understand it. He didn't master it, but he could understand things within his scope. That really goes for all of us. Some people totally get how mastering a record works, while others are stuck in the "just boost the EQ" range. It's all relative. But Prince wasn't always able to mirror it back to the public in a cohesive or logical way. "When we get there, we're gonna be in the deep water". WHAT?! It's nonsensical.

It seems that often he'd get a good nugget of information, and just run with it. Like stauros. We don't fully know how Christ was crucified. But because he found a new religion, and was all "follow me" with it, he was preaching stauros left and right for a few years there. Same with this chant of "theocratic order". Most people didn't even know what that was, but they sure to fuck sang it at the concerts. (For the record, it's a governmental system that is in submission to God; a mixing of church and state, opposed to them remaining as two separate arms of their respective administrative branches.) When Prince goes off on these tangents, I cringe with embarrassment. I did while rewatching the video clip you posted.

So, in short, I think he was probably trying to address how DNA is used, and that you have ownership of your own body. While I don't fully understand DNA research or use, I don't know that they are using DNA from other humans to make designer babies. Maybe they are, and to him that's playing God. God is the owner of all of us, because He made us - is probably Prince's path of theory. I think when he saw fans debating chem trails, he probably thought "I got them talking". Yeah, but we're talking about the absurdity of him saying this crap, not the validity of the claim itself.

TrivialPursuit said:

I think that what he was stating is that God owns the human DNA and the genome, that this is God's creation. He owns the masters. I think he is saying that in the future man will try to claim ownership of the human DNA and genome, will try to claim creatorship of those things. That it is better now, to discuss these things with music, before we get to the point that we are discussing who owns God's creation.

RicoN said:

We don't even know if the bloke Christ existed. Prince was really good with music, it consumed his brain.

Unfortunately that didn't leave much room for critical thinking when it came to all the crank bullshit like religions and chem trails and all the mystical rubbish he used to bang on about.

I'm not debating the existence of Christ. My statements were based on what Prince believed, and how he talked.

I totally agree with you on the other stuff.

TrivialPursuit said:

benni said:

donnyenglish said:

RicoN said:

TrivialPursuit said:

donnyenglish said:

Just curious. What do you think he was talking about when he said this conversation about ownership of music is going to barrel into a conversation about the human genome, DNA and God Talk.

Listen, in all honesty I could usually see where ol' boy was coming from, even if he went off on a tangent about chemical trails or whatever. Doesn't mean I agreed with it, but I could at least get his concept or see how he put 2 and 2 together.

I don't remember this part of the conversation with Tavis at all.

Prince wasn't a genius on all things by default. He was able to absorb information quickly and understand it. He didn't master it, but he could understand things within his scope. That really goes for all of us. Some people totally get how mastering a record works, while others are stuck in the "just boost the EQ" range. It's all relative. But Prince wasn't always able to mirror it back to the public in a cohesive or logical way. "When we get there, we're gonna be in the deep water". WHAT?! It's nonsensical.

It seems that often he'd get a good nugget of information, and just run with it. Like stauros. We don't fully know how Christ was crucified. But because he found a new religion, and was all "follow me" with it, he was preaching stauros left and right for a few years there. Same with this chant of "theocratic order". Most people didn't even know what that was, but they sure to fuck sang it at the concerts. (For the record, it's a governmental system that is in submission to God; a mixing of church and state, opposed to them remaining as two separate arms of their respective administrative branches.) When Prince goes off on these tangents, I cringe with embarrassment. I did while rewatching the video clip you posted.

So, in short, I think he was probably trying to address how DNA is used, and that you have ownership of your own body. While I don't fully understand DNA research or use, I don't know that they are using DNA from other humans to make designer babies. Maybe they are, and to him that's playing God. God is the owner of all of us, because He made us - is probably Prince's path of theory. I think when he saw fans debating chem trails, he probably thought "I got them talking". Yeah, but we're talking about the absurdity of him saying this crap, not the validity of the claim itself.

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I'm with ya on this.

He got the chemtrails garbage from Dick Gregory (who also claimed after 4/21 that P had been murdered, which makes as much sense as Aretha saying he died form Zika virus).

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I've mentioned previously that P needed a good education in skeptical thinking, to support wheat from chaff, so to speak. He'd believe anyone who he perceived as an "expert" even if their ideas clashed with reality. Poor little mixmaster of a brain, at times, it seemed.

Like chemtrails. If he'd ever have looked out the windows of one of the jets he flew in, he'd see the condensation trails (contrails) and know they weren't spraying. But Dick Gregory said it was true, Dick Gregory was an "expert" to him, so he absorbed it. Dick Gregory probably got it from Alex Jones, purveyor of "it's all a conspiracy".

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Once he said that, I'm hoping someone sat him down and explained what contrails really are (and I think they may have, or he may have figured it out, because he never mentioned it again).

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His God was a vengeful one, punishing him...and it didn't help that Uncle LG pounded more of that fear into him. I was glad to see him loosen up on it all, after the "seven year mark" that Questlove talked about.

(It WAS Q, wasn't it, who said that he was exposed to P's "teachings" when he was new to his JW faith and that it was part of a seven-year period that people go through.)

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its not so much he was ahead of everyone..he had a secret advantage

donnyenglish said:

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

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I'm with ya on this.

He got the chemtrails garbage from Dick Gregory (who also claimed after 4/21 that P had been murdered, which makes as much sense as Aretha saying he died form Zika virus).

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I've mentioned previously that P needed a good education in skeptical thinking, to support wheat from chaff, so to speak. He'd believe anyone who he perceived as an "expert" even if their ideas clashed with reality. Poor little mixmaster of a brain, at times, it seemed.

Like chemtrails. If he'd ever have looked out the windows of one of the jets he flew in, he'd see the condensation trails (contrails) and know they weren't spraying. But Dick Gregory said it was true, Dick Gregory was an "expert" to him, so he absorbed it. Dick Gregory probably got it from Alex Jones, purveyor of "it's all a conspiracy".

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Once he said that, I'm hoping someone sat him down and explained what contrails really are (and I think they may have, or he may have figured it out, because he never mentioned it again).

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His God was a vengeful one, punishing him...and it didn't help that Uncle LG pounded more of that fear into him. I was glad to see him loosen up on it all, after the "seven year mark" that Questlove talked about.

(It WAS Q, wasn't it, who said that he was exposed to P's "teachings" when he was new to his JW faith and that it was part of a seven-year period that people go through.)

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He did get all of his ideas about God being vengeful from LG. He was raised a a Seven Day Adventist JW are an offshoot of SDA so it is not weird that he went in that direction. SDA are also vegetarians. I also do not know any Christian religion that do not teach that God is vengeful.

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I was raised Presbyterian.

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We were taught that Jesus died for our sins and that we could be forgiven.

Of course, lots of people think this means you can go-sin all week and get "forgiven" later.

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'nuff religion. I don't preach.

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donnyenglish said:

RicoN said:

Just as its your right to believe what you do, it's our right to think what you believe is ludicrous. You do not deserve any special protection.

Absolutely. But you are saying Prince's beliefs are ludicrous. That is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. I happen to think many og Prince's opinions were genius and over the heads of many.

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Yes, but chemtrails are shite hoaxes.

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One really needs to use some good thinking to separate things out.

Otherwise, you end up like the old people who fall for every scam that comes down the pike.

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laytonian said:

rogifan said:

I don't get the whole chemtrails thing. My brother believes in that crap too.

TrivialPursuit said:

donnyenglish said:

Just curious. What do you think he was talking about when he said this conversation about ownership of music is going to barrel into a conversation about the human genome, DNA and God Talk.

Listen, in all honesty I could usually see where ol' boy was coming from, even if he went off on a tangent about chemical trails or whatever. Doesn't mean I agreed with it, but I could at least get his concept or see how he put 2 and 2 together.

I don't remember this part of the conversation with Tavis at all.

Prince wasn't a genius on all things by default. He was able to absorb information quickly and understand it. He didn't master it, but he could understand things within his scope. That really goes for all of us. Some people totally get how mastering a record works, while others are stuck in the "just boost the EQ" range. It's all relative. But Prince wasn't always able to mirror it back to the public in a cohesive or logical way. "When we get there, we're gonna be in the deep water". WHAT?! It's nonsensical.

It seems that often he'd get a good nugget of information, and just run with it. Like stauros. We don't fully know how Christ was crucified. But because he found a new religion, and was all "follow me" with it, he was preaching stauros left and right for a few years there. Same with this chant of "theocratic order". Most people didn't even know what that was, but they sure to fuck sang it at the concerts. (For the record, it's a governmental system that is in submission to God; a mixing of church and state, opposed to them remaining as two separate arms of their respective administrative branches.) When Prince goes off on these tangents, I cringe with embarrassment. I did while rewatching the video clip you posted.

So, in short, I think he was probably trying to address how DNA is used, and that you have ownership of your own body. While I don't fully understand DNA research or use, I don't know that they are using DNA from other humans to make designer babies. Maybe they are, and to him that's playing God. God is the owner of all of us, because He made us - is probably Prince's path of theory. I think when he saw fans debating chem trails, he probably thought "I got them talking". Yeah, but we're talking about the absurdity of him saying this crap, not the validity of the claim itself.

Recently, I was about to order one of those ancestry DNA tests, but then I read the terms of agreement and decided not to go through with it. I found that once you submit your DNA they store your sample for as long as they think that it will be usable. They will keep a record of your results in a DNA database. Upon further research, I've found that there have been cases where DNA from a person who participated in this ancestry service was used by law enforcement to tie that individual to a relative who had committed a crime. In other words, if your criminal family member commits a crime and they are able to get his DNA, but can't find the criminal relative, the police will pay you a visit to help locate this relative because they found a match in a DNA database. This is really scary. Perhaps Prince had read the fine print on an ancestry website also.

donnyenglish said:

rogifan said:

I don't get the whole chemtrails thing. My brother believes in that crap too.

I grew up in west dayton in the 70's. We saw low chemtrails all the time in our neighborhood and people were acting crazy just as Prince described. I am not saying it is a fact, but many other people that grew up in these types of neighborhood experienced similar things. Lead exposure is another instance in these neighborhoods and that is real and verified. Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater. Prince was making a bigger point about government sponsored poisoning of minorities and that is very real. People like to pick a straw because it makes them feel better about the real problem.

laytonian said:

luvsexy4all said:

its not so much he was ahead of everyone..he had a secret advantage

What " secret advantage " was that?