I too, think the additional touches make the song much more a hit to my ears! He made 12" extended remixes of much material that has gone unheard. I'd love to hear more of the mixes like "Eye no" 12" remix, etc. At the moment you can hear a short excerpt of that.

This unreleased 12'' version is a [late 1987] remix by Shep Pettibone. Although some parts of the original [1986] multitrack that went unused on the album version have been reintegrated into this version, most of the added production was done by Pettibone.

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imprimis said:

imprimis said:

This unreleased 12'' version is a [late 1987] remix by Shep Pettibone. Although some parts of the original [1986] multitrack that went unused on the album version have been reintegrated into this version, most of the added production was done by Pettibone.

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I think this about the bootleg 12" that is Prince's typical extended production including extra chorus vocals. Shep's style which I hated was put pare it down to the basics with a generic club beat and generic echo.

Here's an old thread on it: http://prince.org/msg/7/403198?pr

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imprimis said:

This unreleased 12'' version is a [late 1987] remix by Shep Pettibone. Although some parts of the original [1986] multitrack that went unused on the album version have been reintegrated into this version, most of the added production was done by Pettibone.

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And what evidence do you have of this? I'm a big fan of Pettibone and this mix sounds nothing like what he was doinf around this time.

There was a work order referencing Pettibone & Vasquez remix work on both 'Hot Thing' and ICNTTPOYM on one of the private estate auctions that popped up in the past year (and I am aware that the former in remixed form did appear as the B-Side).

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I am extrapolating that this is version is unused product from such a farming out for remixing. His interest in further promoting SOTT was on the wane by this point, and that perhaps contributed to shelving this for the album and edited album version A-side releases.

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And I am going to respectfully disagree that the characterization in the earlier responses reflects all of the type of work coming from Pettibone. The type of additional production reminded me very, very loosely of some of the changes and tweaks he made to New Order/Cyndi Lauper/Madonna-related 12" remix releases.

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If wasn't remixed by Pettibone, it certainly wasn't done directly by Prince.

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imprimis said:

There was a work order referencing Pettibone & Vasquez remix work on both 'Hot Thing' and ICNTTPOYM on one of the private estate auctions that popped up in the past year. I am extrapolating that this is unused product from such a farming out for remixing. And I am going to respectfully disagree that the characterization in the earlier responses reflects all of the type of work coming from Pettibone. The type of additional production reminded me very, very loosely of some of the changes and tweaks he made to New Order/Cyndi Lauper/Madonna-related 12" remix releases.

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If wasn't remixed by Pettibone, it certainly wasn't done directly by Prince.

Interesting. With that said, it doesn't seem to me that is direct evidence. Perhaps we shouldn't jump ahead and start crediting people.

bluegangsta said:

imprimis said:

There was a work order referencing Pettibone & Vasquez remix work on both 'Hot Thing' and ICNTTPOYM on one of the private estate auctions that popped up in the past year. I am extrapolating that this is unused product from such a farming out for remixing. And I am going to respectfully disagree that the characterization in the earlier responses reflects all of the type of work coming from Pettibone. The type of additional production reminded me very, very loosely of some of the changes and tweaks he made to New Order/Cyndi Lauper/Madonna-related 12" remix releases.

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If wasn't remixed by Pettibone, it certainly wasn't done directly by Prince.

Interesting. With that said, it doesn't seem to me that is direct evidence. Perhaps we shouldn't jump ahead and start crediting people.

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What's the likelihood he hired separate remixers (something altogether rare for him at the time), for what would ultimately end up on the same vinyl? This isn't yet the early 1990s with gratuitous amounts of Dub/House/NewJackSwing/Acapella/etc remixes on a 3" CD single.

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I'll amend it to say, possibly (with a good likelihood) Mastermix (Pettibone/Vasquez/Steve Peck/et al).

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Some of those added synth lines are closely resemble the ones they added to the 'Glam Slam' 12" and Whitney Houston 'So Emotional' remixes. (as two more or less contemporaneous examples of their work)

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imprimis said:

bluegangsta said:

Interesting. With that said, it doesn't seem to me that is direct evidence. Perhaps we shouldn't jump ahead and start crediting people.

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What's the likelihood he hired separate remixers (something altogether rare for him at the time), for what would ultimately end up on the same vinyl? This isn't yet the early 1990s with gratuitous amounts of Dub/House/NewJackSwing/Acapella/etc remixes on a 3" CD single.

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I'll amend it to say, possibly (with a good likelihood) Mastermix (Pettibone/Vasquez/Steve Peck/et al).

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Some of those added synth lines are closely resemble the ones they added to the 'Glam Slam' 12" and Whitney Houston 'So Emotional' remixes. (as two more or less contemporaneous examples of their work)

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There's added Prince vocals singing new melody lines. It sounds more like old R&B style mixing. It's labeled the Joey Coco 12" mix. It starts with the guitar solo break that normally takes place towards the end, and bongo style percussion. There is no hint of the generic club beat style that Vasquez or Pettibone got big doing. It's got added rhythm guitar thorugh the whole thing. This is not a club mix. These are musician overdubs and alternate tracks turned up and others turned down. It seems to have a rich addition of horn arrangements too. Some completely new up front guitar. There is no new synth percussion added that wasn't there in the album version.

He similarly released a longer mix of La La La He He He, and Housequake (the moQuake version) and also of course his own mix of I Wish U Heaven 123 and Alphabet St. soon to follow. The other 12" we haven't heard, but we know exists, is the Ballad of Dorothy Parker.

I think you might be listening to something else. This was held onto by collectors until about 4 years ago. Unheard until then even by hard core collectors.

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ufoclub said:

imprimis said:

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What's the likelihood he hired separate remixers (something altogether rare for him at the time), for what would ultimately end up on the same vinyl? This isn't yet the early 1990s with gratuitous amounts of Dub/House/NewJackSwing/Acapella/etc remixes on a 3" CD single.

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I'll amend it to say, possibly (with a good likelihood) Mastermix (Pettibone/Vasquez/Steve Peck/et al).

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Some of those added synth lines are closely resemble the ones they added to the 'Glam Slam' 12" and Whitney Houston 'So Emotional' remixes. (as two more or less contemporaneous examples of their work)

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It sounds more like old r&B styles mixing. It's labeled the Joey Coco 12" mix.

It was officially titled the 12" Man Mix.

bluegangsta said:

ufoclub said:

It sounds more like old r&B styles mixing. It's labeled the Joey Coco 12" mix.

It was officially titled the 12" Man Mix.

How do you know that was the offical title? Just curious.

This was arond the same time as the "101" 12" mixes right?

Let's take a look at that:

We have a remix by Prince and an outsourced much more conventional mix.

ufoclub said:

This was arond the same time as the "101" 12" mixes right?

Let's take a look at that:

A 101 (Def House Mix / Extended Club Version)

Remix, Producer [Additional Production] – David Morales

7:58 B 101 (Uptown Version)

Mixed By – Prince

We have a remix by Prince and an outsourced much more conventional mix.

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Well, these are from mid-1989 (although '101' was initially tracked in early 1987). Starting to enter the dawn of a new era at this point.

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And the Razormade 'Housequake' remix is massively anomalous.

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imprimis said:

ufoclub said:

This was arond the same time as the "101" 12" mixes right?

Let's take a look at that:

A 101 (Def House Mix / Extended Club Version)

We have a remix by Prince and an outsourced much more conventional mix.

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Well, these are from mid-1989, although '101' was initially tracked in early 1987.

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Right, but I think Prince made his own remixes and then shelved them in favor of outsourcing in the late 80's. Do you think you have the same 12" mix? These days, I bet you can find it easy if not... to check it out.

8m 04sec is the running time I see.

I bet he has his own extended Glam Slam as well. The guy was always tinkering and he always recorded longer versions that were edited down for the album accoridng to Susan Rogers, etc.

ufoclub said:

bluegangsta said:

It was officially titled the 12" Man Mix.

How do you know that was the offical title? Just curious.

A tape from 1989 which included this tracklist.

1) Batdance (John Luongo Remix feat. Big Daddy Kane) (8:40)

2) Like A Prayer (Dub Beats) - Madonna (4:40) (*unreleased mix featuring Prince's "Skinny MF with the High Voice" sample)

3) I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man (ManMix 12" Remix) (7:58)

4) The Future (William Orbit Remix) (6:58)

5) Gotta Stop (Messin' About) (2:53)

6) Trust (12") (8:15)

7) Trust (Dub) (7:13)

8) Trust (7" w/ Intro Clap) (4:22)

9) Trust (7" w/ New Vocal EQ) (4:15)

bluegangsta said:

ufoclub said:

It sounds more like old r&B styles mixing. It's labeled the Joey Coco 12" mix.

It was officially titled the 12" Man Mix.

Is the 12" man mix the one I referred to in my initial post even though the man max comes in with a slightly shorter running time?

gandorb said:

soladeo1 said:

gandorb said:

Is the 12" man mix the one I referred to in my initial post even though the man max comes in with a slightly shorter running time?

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Sorry - a mess up here.

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I don't know if 7:58 (as in the listed ManMix) and 8:08 (from BftP) are the same mix (with a slight speed difference) or different ones. I also do not know if this mix is done by Shep Pettibone, Prince or anyone else.

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However, I do know that this mix, to me, makes the song better (never cared too much for the original), which is something that quite a few Prince mixes have done and that Shep Pettibone mixes have never done. The rule of thumb is that if there is a "Prince" extended version, you want to have it, if it is a non-Prince remix, avoid it.

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Then again, I do like the razormaid Housequake version. If I'm not careful I'll start being as contradictory as Prince himself!

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All this to say that it doesn't sound like a Shep Pettibone mix, but I could see this as being a mix done by someone other than Prince, as the additional horns do not sound like something Prince would do. Also, the "added vocals" are simply lifted from the song, but done quite well. Prince would simply add and hardly ever sample from the song. See also the difference between Sheila E's remix of Pop Life and Prince's own version.

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So my vote is that this is done by a skilled remixer, a group I do not consider Shep Pettibone to be in.

ufoclub said:

I am loving it! But it sounds like a Shep remix to me.

Poplife88 said:

I am loving it! But it sounds like a Shep remix to me.

I'm finally hearing this for the first time now and it sounds like a very restrained Shep remix to me too.

Or I suppose it could be a radical (for him) Prince remix. I've certainly never heard a Prince extended version before the Lovesexy era that was this smooth.

Either way, it's a definite improvement over the studio version which is my least favorite U.S. top ten Prince single.