Abandonment issues from childhood.

Thus, he pushed others away first in his later relationships, one way or the other, so that he'd be in control of those partings in some way, as he wasn't before.

(And/or he just hooked up with others who were not at all well, such as Vanity, Mani, etc.)

CatB said:

Hi

Please dont take this the wrong way!

Who are you?

But he made huge decisions all thru his life, huge tour or no? New album? New band? Pay them more or just buy them a house? Hire this hairdresser, this lawyer this cook, this security, etc etc etc.

And he did make some mature decisions, like trying to be true to Susannah, and being good to his father even though he may have kicked him out at 12. Although I tend to think he decided to leave, I mean there were serious laws against throwing a little kid out into the street. And I really hate labeling his parents as the abusive people they are sometimes made out to be without definite proof. We all know P was a liar when it served his purpose.

He was SO talented, such a freak of nature, such a compelling and complex character- then to carry the gene that made reproduction likely impossible, just an enigma begging to be sorted out. (Sorry if the gene stuff offends, but it seems the evidence is there)

Bathing a woman makes me think he wished he WAS a woman, at least some of the time. Bathing is such a personal activity, it's like he wanted to experience the emotion of it, not just the physicality of it, especially if he just sent the poor lady home afterward. It wasn't foreplay, it was something else.

Elisa Fiorello of the NPG said right after April 21 in a TV interview that Prince was very much loved, and that he knew that. She said the band was a real family. She worked with him in 2013 - that's the most recent I know.
So even though I get the feeling sometimes that he didn't let people too close to him and he was the boss, I also feel he let some people very close. I think he observed the "circle" of relationships and knew just how far to let people in, depending on who they were.
One does have to have good intuition in that way and I think he had it.
As for his romances, Prince is still a mystery to me.
In fact, I believe we would have to actually spend time with him, even just perhaps several minutes in his presence, to really even begin to understand who he was. That's why there's so much guessing. I think he was the kind of person no one can really figure out unless they actually did that.
The best guide I can have is my own intuition away from all the controversy.

anangellooksdown said:

Elisa Fiorello of the NPG said right after April 21 in a TV interview that Prince was very much loved, and that he knew that. She said the band was a real family. She worked with him in 2013 - that's the most recent I know. So even though I get the feeling sometimes that he didn't let people too close to him and he was the boss, I also feel he let some people very close. I think he observed the "circle" of relationships and knew just how far to let people in, depending on who they were. One does have to have good intuition in that way and I think he had it. As for his romances, Prince is still a mystery to me. In fact, I believe we would have to actually spend time with him, even just perhaps several minutes in his presence, to really even begin to understand who he was. That's why there's so much guessing. I think he was the kind of person no one can really figure out unless they actually did that. The best guide I can have is my own intuition away from all the controversy.

Which is why, even after all these years spent gobbling up every bit of information about him, after 4/21 so many things have come out about him that amaze me...and I'm left with even more questions.

starkitty said:

LBrent said:

CatB was generous enough to share her experience of meeting P.

Scroll back in this thread for the link.

Cat's good people.

So hard to see user names on a phone! I think I found the story of CatB meeting him after an award show but why are people asking her (or you, cat, if you see this) such intimate questions?

I don't know, do they?

BillieBalloon said:

CatB said:

This.

Hi Please dont take this the wrong way! Who are you?

Someone who spent some time with him.

Can someone please provide a "clickable link" to the thread where CatB shared her experience with P?

I have to wonder what Princec would think about all this psychoanalysis of him. For all the perks celebrities have I still don't think I'd ever want to be one.

rogifan said:

I have to wonder what Princec would think about all this psychoanalysis of him. For all the perks celebrities have I still don't think I'd ever want to be one.

He's probably shaking his head with that smirky lil smile.

1Sasha said:

Yes. He was extraordinary. So interesting about a degree of Aspergers, and yet deeply sensitive and intuitive, genius savant, the connected spirit- his brain more tuned in.
I can't put it into words, and even sillier, I identify with him!
Being abandoned by your mother- and that can be a mother checking out/ cold emotionally/ narcissist,
one way to heal that is having your own child, and giving that child present love, affection, trust, being a good parent. (another sad)

LBrent said:

Yep.

rogifan said:

Prince has already personally stated in an interview his thoughts on our Psychoanalysis of him.....
Oh,and not to worry! I don't think they'll ever be a rogifan.org

Peace and Love

LBrent said:

precioux said:

God I hope not.

CatB said:

It looked like someone was asking you if he made you bathe before you spent time together.

StopIt said:

Abandonment issues from childhood.

Thus, he pushed others away first in his later relationships, one way or the other, so that he'd be in control of those partings in some way, as he wasn't before.

(And/or he just hooked up with others who were not at all well, such as Vanity, Mani, etc.)

I agree with your statement about P's abandonment issues.

Vanity may have been doing drugs before she met P, and continued to do so, but what information do you have about Mani not being well?

Just curious.....

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

If we start with the passive agressive slams of his ex wives we will lose focus of his relationship modus operandi. Here's a question for CatB, did you go out to dinner, watch a movie and have a glass of wine, or jump right into bed? And I'm not judging! I came of age in the seventies during the heavy disco days when 18 year olds could drink beer so I've had one or forty one night stands. (My friends all had more, the whores).
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paisleypearl said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I agree with your statement about P's abandonment issues.

Vanity may have been doing drugs before she met P, and continued to do so, but what information do you have about Mani not being well?

Just curious.....

If we start with the passive agressive slams of his ex wives we will lose focus of his relationship modus operandi. Here's a question for CatB, did you go out to dinner, watch a movie and have a glass of wine, or jump right into bed? And I'm not judging! I grew up in the seventies during the heavy disco days when 18 year olds could drink beer so I've had one or forty one night stands. (My friends all had more, the whores).

I'm passive agressive?

WTF?

You want to know if they went to dinner and a movie? before having sex?

Someone come and save me.

Something in the water doesnt compute.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

No not you, but the comment earlier stated Vanity and Mani were not at all well.
You don't like my question for Cat? What's a better one?
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paisleypearl said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I'm passive agressive?

WTF?

You want to know if they went to dinner and a movie? before having sex?

Someone come and save me.

Something in the water doesnt compute.

No not you, but the comment earlier stated Vanity and Mani were not at all well. You don't like my question for Cat? What's a better one?

CatB said:

I see
Ok
Thanks. I see theres questions for you but you must have known once you put it out there that there would be.

Carry on

rogifan said:

precioux said:

Prince has already personally stated in an interview his thoughts on our Psychoanalysis of him..... Oh,and not to worry! I don't think they'll ever be a rogifan.org Peace and Love

God I hope not.

LOL! I'm with you. I think it must be horrible being famous. Thankfully, there's zero danger of rednblue.org.

Thanks so much for everyone's thoughts. Some of the kindest, coolest, most creative, most giving people I know have psych diagnoses. I love Prince's music, and I love learning about his life...about so many things, from his how little he slept (perhaps helping him to be so prolific), to his obsession with that music we all love so much.

I know there's lots of medical folks on here, and folks know that we're not making definitive statements. That's not the point. It's just that looking at people and their tendencies more fully humanizes them. With topics like open relationships, we could just beat people up by only saying Prince/the women weren't perfect, so Prince/the women got what was coming to them. I'm so glad for all the people on here who express that with human beings, true stories are complicated, and the truth can often involve "just deserts," but it also involves many other things.

If I acknowledge that Prince had a double standard in this area, or that some pursuing celebrities have questionable motives, my personal thoughts aren't all about calling out humans for their imperfections. I've got imperfections in spades. What I mostly have on my mind is to feel for the women, and for Prince himself, who all may have suffered from the double standard, and to feel for the great musician whose celebrity complicated his ability to receive love. Love, love for one another, gives life meaning and joy.

rednblue said:

rogifan said:

precioux said: God I hope not.

LOL! I'm with you. I think it must be horrible being famous. Thankfully, there's zero danger of rednblue.org.

but it sounds great! I can see the logo

u don't even have 2 be famous 2 experience that ... as soon as u make urself visible online with any kind of business u have 2 develop a thick skin and stay pretty self-contained

that's 1 of so many of his features 2 adopt ... prince found his way 2 deal with all of that ... and I mean a good one. he hided what he knew the world wouldn't understand and told funny things 2 keep them busy ... people talking about his "mental illnesses" and such and such didn't hurt him but made him laugh.

lemoncrush19 said:

rednblue said:

LOL! I'm with you. I think it must be horrible being famous. Thankfully, there's zero danger of rednblue.org.

but it sounds great! I can see the logo

u don't even have 2 be famous 2 experience that ... as soon as u make urself visible online with any kind of business u have 2 develop a thick skin and stay pretty self-contained

that's 1 of so many of his features 2 adopt ... prince found his way 2 deal with all of that ... and I mean a good one. he hided what he knew the world wouldn't understand and told funny things 2 keep them busy ... people talking about his "mental illnesses" and such and such didn't hurt him but made him laugh.

Ah...rednblue.org. The site where red and blue have a torrid affair, and a serene purple mist rises from the scene. : )

It's a coincidence you mention thick skin and online visibility, because as much as I just now took issue with a small part of a comment re: an Instagram picture and "cute ladies" vs. "ugly girlies" "showing off their tits," (short jokes, anyone?), I did need to add that folks put the picture out there online. That's relevant, too.

I've seen interviews where Prince said he could find people's assumptions about ways in which he was crazy (and from his lyrics (Let's Go Crazy), he surely didn't see that as solely a bad word : ) ) really funny and also that he could find people's ideas about why certain songs were written/what they meant to him really funny. I'm so happy to know that Prince laughed a lot. He sure did have a great sense of humor.

Susan Rogers, who did spend a ton of (studio) time with Prince, says she thinks he was a master at dealing with fame.

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rednblue said:

lemoncrush19 said:

but it sounds great! I can see the logo

u don't even have 2 be famous 2 experience that ... as soon as u make urself visible online with any kind of business u have 2 develop a thick skin and stay pretty self-contained

that's 1 of so many of his features 2 adopt ... prince found his way 2 deal with all of that ... and I mean a good one. he hided what he knew the world wouldn't understand and told funny things 2 keep them busy ... people talking about his "mental illnesses" and such and such didn't hurt him but made him laugh.

Ah...rednblue.org. The site where red and blue have a torrid affair, and a serene purple mist rises from the scene. : )

It's a coincidence you mention thick skin and online visibility, because as much as I just now took issue with a small part of a comment re: an Instagram picture and "cute ladies" vs. "ugly girlies" "showing off their tits," (short jokes, anyone?), I did need to add that folks put the picture out there online. That's relevant, too.

I've seen interviews where Prince said he could find people's assumptions about ways in which he was crazy (and from his lyrics (Let's Go Crazy), he surely didn't see that as solely a bad word : ) ) really funny and also that he could find people's ideas about why certain songs were written/what they meant to him really funny. I'm so happy to know that Prince laughed a lot. He sure did have a great sense of humor.

Susan Rogers, who did spend a ton of (studio) time with Prince, says she thinks he was a master at dealing with fame.

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aaaahhhh ... I see ... u actually have a picture of that page and it's very impressive

now I read ur comment u mentioned ... leaving out all the other statements on that thread ... I'm not judging u know ... like u mentioned over there - there are always 2 sides of a medallion and often more than 2 ways 2 look at something ... that's why all those "what is the meaning of this song" discussions are interesting as long as ppl succeed in just sharing opinions and getting pretty weird the moment somebody firmly believes in knowing the "truth". unfortunately the latter happens very soon on most threads on this board ... prince was playing with words and meanings and I'm happy NOT 2 know what he actually may have been thinking at the moment he wrote it but left it 2 the imagination ...

yeah I think so too ... he was a master in dealing with fame and everything that comes along with it ... he got hurt in the beginning, made his decisions and adopted pretty quick. he had this inner confidence, his faith and didn't mess up his mind too much with all the weird things ppl were talking about him.

lemoncrush19 said:

rednblue said:

Ah...rednblue.org. The site where red and blue have a torrid affair, and a serene purple mist rises from the scene. : )

It's a coincidence you mention thick skin and online visibility, because as much as I just now took issue with a small part of a comment re: an Instagram picture and "cute ladies" vs. "ugly girlies" "showing off their tits," (short jokes, anyone?), I did need to add that folks put the picture out there online. That's relevant, too.

I've seen interviews where Prince said he could find people's assumptions about ways in which he was crazy (and from his lyrics (Let's Go Crazy), he surely didn't see that as solely a bad word : ) ) really funny and also that he could find people's ideas about why certain songs were written/what they meant to him really funny. I'm so happy to know that Prince laughed a lot. He sure did have a great sense of humor.

Susan Rogers, who did spend a ton of (studio) time with Prince, says she thinks he was a master at dealing with fame.

[Edited 2/4/17 7:30am]

[Edited 2/4/17 7:33am]

aaaahhhh ... I see ... u actually have a picture of that page and it's very impressive

now I read ur comment u mentioned ... leaving out all the other statements on that thread ... I'm not judging u know ... like u mentioned over there - there are always 2 sides of a medallion and often more than 2 ways 2 look at something ... that's why all those "what is the meaning of this song" discussions are interesting as long as ppl succeed in just sharing opinions and getting pretty weird the moment somebody firmly believes in knowing the "truth". unfortunately the latter happens very soon on most threads on this board ... prince was playing with words and meanings and I'm happy NOT 2 know what he actually may have been thinking at the moment he wrote it but left it 2 the imagination ...

yeah I think so too ... he was a master in dealing with fame and everything that comes along with it ... he got hurt in the beginning, made his decisions and adopted pretty quick. he had this inner confidence, his faith and didn't mess up his mind too much with all the weird things ppl were talking about him.

Thanks for all!

As for my comment over on the "what is wrong with people" thread, it's become very clear that there was an extremely disrespectful woman on a Paisley tour. You are right that in my first comment, I did a bad job summing up the overall thread, and that can be important for balance. Sometimes I go on way to long, and I still don't sum things up too well. : )

My earlier objection also remains. The best fight against disrespect is through classy comments and classy actions. I sure don't always rise to that standard, but The Purple Army is a class act, and that is part of why it's powerful.

Sorry to have diverted discussion with the reference to the other thread. Carry on with Open Relationships topic!

P.S. I think your lemoncrush19 name would make a beautiful page.

"can't resist thee, lemon crush..." : )

I'm still kind of new here so WHAT THE HECK JUST HAPPENED? Was it an attempt to change the subject of this thread? If so please stop, we have a lady here who knew Prince personally and I would like to hear her stories if she is so inclined.

rednblue said:

Thanks so much for everyone's thoughts. Some of the kindest, coolest, most creative, most giving people I know have psych diagnoses. I love Prince's music, and I love learning about his life...about so many things, from his how little he slept (perhaps helping him to be so prolific), to his obsession with that music we all love so much.

I know there's lots of medical folks on here, and folks know that we're not making definitive statements. That's not the point. It's just that looking at people and their tendencies more fully humanizes them. With topics like open relationships, we could just beat people up by only saying Prince/the women weren't perfect, so Prince/the women got what was coming to them. I'm so glad for all the people on here who express that with human beings, true stories are complicated, and the truth can often involve "just deserts," but it also involves many other things.

If I acknowledge that Prince had a double standard in this area, or that some pursuing celebrities have questionable motives, my personal thoughts aren't all about calling out humans for their imperfections. I've got imperfections in spades. What I mostly have on my mind is to feel for the women, and for Prince himself, who all may have suffered from the double standard, and to feel for the great musician whose celebrity complicated his ability to receive love. Love, love for one another, gives life meaning and joy.

Paisleypearl--I love how you want to learn about Prince's life. My point above is that I like to learn, too, and greatly appreciate the discussion.

I saw your questions for CatB. Could you repost them so that they are bumped up? I'll take the heat if anyone objects. I know you want to ask if she is inclined to answer any/all of them, and to hear what she says if she does. I don't want that to not happen for the reason that your post just gets lost in the shuffle.

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Hi Cat !!

I missed you here when you were posting. Hope you come back to this thread when I am here. Thanks for sharing here.