imprimis said:

Ingela said:

imprimis said: Except she was there and has explained the story behind it's recording many times in great detail.

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I am questioning timing, and the surrounding circumstances, for accuracy. I didn't say that she wasn't present as such. For having gone into great detail, to an intended audience of mostly dedicated fans, it seems peculiar that she would omit that the song borrows, if only for one brief line, from one of his better known and most celebrated rehearsal bootlegs.

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Even though she dealt with the material from a privilged firsthand vantage-point, surely she cannot be so out-of-touch with what is out there in the world of unofficial releases, for point of comparison.

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NOw that's unfair. How could have she foreseen "Billy" would become a reknown bootleg years later? We're talking pre-internet days.

She's got a life of her own, you know. She studies and stuff.
She's just human, so she has a recollection, but you're talking about a superwoman, the girl who laid pretty much what is the Holy Grail to tape.
And By Holy Grail I mean the whole timespan when she was behind the console.
She lived all this sleeping as little as Prince.
Twenties Prince.

Being a huge fan herself, and again, having a life and a multi-million selling career of her own, pardon her if she didn't mention a detail only hardcore fans care about.

Now it's obvious from the sound of it that this is a re-recording of what should have originally been something much more emotive. Susan says that they were only him and her in the studio, and this negates the horns we're hearing.

We'll never get the original, and what's fine for Skipper is fine for me.
It's his music, and if he felt he couldn't be so naked on tape...

Maybe he felt he had to erase it it to overcome the pain? Susannah was about to leave, or maybe he knew she would inevitably leave him (every important relationship breaks little by little, tries one last time, in these situations precise dates don't apply, they don't mean as much) — or worse, he would end up letting her go, doomed as he felt compelled to perpetually evolve.

That's some freakin' personal shitty state of mind,
and if you're stuck in PublicLand® like he got because your job causes/requires it,
you make sure that it's nowhere to be found, not even in The Vault™.

Again, HIS music. His absolute right to try to turn it into a Christopher Tracy's little tune to exorcize the real drama of it all, but judging from how passionately Susan has spoken about "If I Was You Girlfriend" and "Moonbeam Levels" in interviews, I trust her when she says that it was deep.
This and my guts tell me it's not the original.

I'm with her mainly because of her views on the aforementioned songs, and her view on the Schmalzy, Oktöberfest, stuck-in-a-chord-without-an-exit, tired 3/4 waltz that is "Adonis", no matter the guitar and vocal prowesses, they're all over elsewheres in 1985/86/87.


That said, imprimis, you're a sort of semi-god to me, so I say this with all respect.
After all, this is the perfect topic for dreaming.

[Edited 2/8/17 14:58pm]

bonatoc said:

imprimis said:

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I am questioning timing, and the surrounding circumstances, for accuracy. I didn't say that she wasn't present as such. For having gone into great detail, to an intended audience of mostly dedicated fans, it seems peculiar that she would omit that the song borrows, if only for one brief line, from one of his better known and most celebrated rehearsal bootlegs.

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Even though she dealt with the material from a privilged firsthand vantage-point, surely she cannot be so out-of-touch with what is out there in the world of unofficial releases, for point of comparison.

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[Edited 2/7/17 10:55am]

NOw that's unfair. How could have she foreseen "Billy" would become a reknown bootleg years later? We're talking pre-internet days.

She's got a life of her own, you know. She studies and stuff.
She's just human, so she has a recollection, but you're talking about a superwoman, the girl who laid pretty much what is the Holy Grail to tape.
And By Holy Grail I mean the whole timespan when she was behind the console.
She lived all this sleeping as little as Prince.
Twenties Prince.

Being a huge fan herself, and again, having a life and a multi-million selling career of her own, pardon her if she didn't mention a detail only hardcore fans care about.

Now it's obvious from the sound of it that this is a re-recording of what should have originally been something much more emotive. Susan says that they were only him and her in the studio, and this negates the horns we're hearing.

We'll never get the original, and what's fine for Skipper is fine for me.
It's his music, and if he felt he couldn't be so naked on tape...

Maybe he felt he had to erase it it to overcome the pain? Susannah was about to leave, or maybe he knew she would inevitably leave him (every important relationship breaks little by little, tries one last time, in these situations precise dates don't apply, they don't mean as much) — or worse, he would end up letting her go, doomed as he felt compelled to perpetually evolve.

That's some freakin' personal shitty state of mind,
and if you're stuck in PublicLand® like he got because your job causes/requires it,
you make sure that it's nowhere to be found, not even in The Vault™.

Again, HIS music. His absolute right to try to turn it into a Christopher Tracy's little tune to exorcize the real drama of it all, but judging from how passionately Susan has spoken about "If I Was You Girlfriend" and "Moonbeam Levels" in interviews, I trust her when she says that it was deep.
This and my guts tell me it's not the original.

I'm with her mainly because of her views on the aforementioned songs, and her view on the Schmalzy, Oktöberfest, stuck-in-a-chord-without-an-exit, tired 3/4 waltz that is "Adonis", no matter the guitar and vocal prowesses, they're all over elsewheres in 1985/86/87.


That said, imprimis, you're a sort of semi-god to me, so I say this with all respect.
After all, this is the perfect topic for dreaming.

[Edited 2/8/17 14:58pm]

dude, thank you fo your energy beause I don't have the wherewithal to explain this kind of shit lol

Large Room With No Light is Vanessa Carlton material?

STOP TROLLING

For one, Large came first. And VC doesnt have a song that sounds anything like Large Room. Just because the song is sung in a fast pace doesnt come close to sounding the same.

And good on Prince and them for creating a song that, like Computer Blue, is unclassifiable as well as unfuckwithable.

Prince died and some of y'all have lost your minds.

Iamtheorg said:

Ingela said:

Iamtheorg said:

Large Room With No Light is Vanessa Carlton material?

STOP TROLLING

For one, Large came first. And VC doesnt have a song that sounds anything like Large Room. Just because the song is sung in a fast pace doesnt come close to sounding the same.

And good on Prince and them for creating a song that, like Computer Blue, is unclassifiable as well as unfuckwithable.

Prince died and some of y'all have lost your minds.

Lol, that chestnut again. " I disagree with you therefore you are a troll" Yes that's it. A dissonant fingernails on the chalkboard song about moonbeam levels is sooo much better than Vanessa Carlton. So good in fact that when it was recently released to cash in on his death, no one bought it or cared. Fact is it's NEVER been a universally liked track here on the org or anywhere else. People either hate it, or love it. Usually nothing in between. Now, it is well known that trolls LOVE to call others trolls. [Edited 2/8/17 15:32pm]

So because the song didnt move the moon upon release it isnt good?

something worse than trolling...stupidity.

Iamtheorg said:

regarding the new Mariah Carey single:

Ingela said:

Great track! This is fantastic..... going to blow up. No doubt it's going to be one her her biggest single ever..

no further questons your honor

I quite enjoy that short clip of Wally, it is very lyrical and catchy. Regardless of if it is the original or the re-recorded version, I definitely want to hear the entire thing.

Iamtheorg said:

Ingela said:

Iamtheorg said:

Large Room With No Light is Vanessa Carlton material?

STOP TROLLING

For one, Large came first. And VC doesnt have a song that sounds anything like Large Room. Just because the song is sung in a fast pace doesnt come close to sounding the same.

And good on Prince and them for creating a song that, like Computer Blue, is unclassifiable as well as unfuckwithable.

Prince died and some of y'all have lost your minds.

Lol, that chestnut again. " I disagree with you therefore you are a troll" Yes that's it. A dissonant fingernails on the chalkboard song about moonbeam levels is sooo much better than Vanessa Carlton. So good in fact that when it was recently released to cash in on his death, no one bought it or cared. Fact is it's NEVER been a universally liked track here on the org or anywhere else. People either hate it, or love it. Usually nothing in between. Now, it is well known that trolls LOVE to call others trolls. [Edited 2/8/17 15:32pm]

Definitive proof of its artistic qualities.
Like this one, Pussy.

[Snip - luv4u]

bonatoc said:

Man, you DO have no sense of humour!

Well, I've listened to this clip since it surfaced and am definitely intrigued by it....I remember Questlove saying in a video the re-recorded version was about seven minutes long, if I'm not mistaken...hope to hear the rest soon!

In a parallel world, this is all part of a teaser,
and next week both pristine versions are available for download on all audio stores, in 320k or .flac.

bonatoc said:

... next week both pristine versions are available for download on all audio stores, in 320k or .flac.

morningsong said:

Must be some freaky glasses.

Fashionable Spectacles

CandaceS said:

bonatoc said:

... next week both pristine versions are available for download on all audio stores, in 320k or .flac.

Don't pray some1 who says Stupid things & lies!

bonatoc said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Ingela said:

bonatoc said:

Definitive proof of its artistic qualities.
Like this one, Pussy. [Snip - luv4u]

Who is talking about definitive anything. You realize you just made my point.

I'm confused. Are we talking about "In a large room with no light" or "Moonbeam Levels" here? And also in which universe does "no one bought it" equal "bad song"?

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They lyrics in the snippet has been mentioned by Susan Rogers, so this could be the original version with later horn overdubs. We can't say for sure, can we? Surprised that you find Adonis schmalzy. There's nothing oktoberfest about it. To the contrary it creates a shifting and slightly dangerous landscape. Everything about it, the rhythm,the harmonies,the vocal delivery are all somewhat unhinged. [Edited 2/9/17 2:45am]

I totally could not have said it better! The whole vibe of the song is comforting yet discombobulated at the same time. I can't believe how much grief this one track gets from people! I guess it's not for everyone (As far as Wally is concerned, I believe if it's as great as those who have heard it say it is, it could be as unifying as A&B is dividing, lol)

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paulludvig said:

They lyrics in the snippet has been mentioned by Susan Rogers, so this could be the original version with later horn overdubs. We can't say for sure, can we?

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The original version had casette copy made, *after* Prince added all the extra layers of percussion, etc. Then the multitrack was wiped. I doubt that it was used as base to then add horns over.

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Regardless, most of the lyrics in the remade Old Friends For Sale are the same as the original, so I presume the same is true for the re-make of Wally.

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Whichever way, I wish I could hear either version completely, the snippet sounds interesting. And I don't see much of a link to Billy's Glasses, even though it is both times about sunglasses. I never thought Billy was an actual song though, just some guitar noodling, apart from the Strange Relationship part.

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Quick trivia question though, who recorded the Billy's Glasses rehearsal? Was that actually Susan Rogers?

Phishanga said:

love2thenines2003 said:

CandaceS said:

Don't pray some1 who says Stupid things & lies!

I'm praying for Vault material to be released, not so much for the poster, lol


Oh, looky!

http://www.prnewswire.com...04797.html

Ingela said:

Phishanga said:

I'm confused. Are we talking about "In a large room with no light" or "Moonbeam Levels" here? And also in which universe does "no one bought it" equal "bad song"?

[Edited 2/9/17 2:32am]

I'm conflating both songs are as I think they're in the same dissonant vein. I get where he was going. But I don't think they work. It could come off amazing or like Vanessa Carlton fingernails on the chalkboard. To me. I can really tell those are more Wendy and Lisa songs as I admire them as people. I've never personally thought much of their music. Just not my thing. My personal thing. And you are conflating that i said commercial success equal Good. Which I never said. Just to say it's never been a popular song in general and not purple-sacrilegious to say you don't like it. That's it! [Edited 2/9/17 8:06am]

Too much conflating going on. It's time to deflate...

Hold on!

in the 2 hours podcast on te podcast juice website...

Susan says there are no unused musical performances from purple rain...

But she mentions "Wednesday" by Jill Jones and says that Jill sings "Wednesday" in the movie!

Huh what?

Was that a slip up of maybe something that could have been done and could end up in an extended version of the movie?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Hold on!

in the 2 hours podcast on te podcast juice website...

Susan says there are no unused musical performances from purple rain...

But she mentions "Wednesday" by Jill Jones and says that Jill sings "Wednesday" in the movie!

Huh what?

Was that a slip up of maybe something that could have been done and could end up in an extended version of the movie?

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'Wednesday' is most likely a brief piano vignette, rather than a fully developed song, part of a now excised extended beginning to the 'What, a subpoena?' scene.

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[Edited 2/9/17 12:22pm]

imprimis said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Hold on!

in the 2 hours podcast on te podcast juice website...

Susan says there are no unused musical performances from purple rain...

But she mentions "Wednesday" by Jill Jones and says that Jill sings "Wednesday" in the movie!

Huh what?

Was that a slip up of maybe something that could have been done and could end up in an extended version of the movie?

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'Wednesday' is most likely a brief piano vignette, only a 10-20 seconds long, rather than a fully developed song, part of a now excised extended beginning to the 'What, a subpoena?' scene.

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Susan said "that jill sings in the movie"

OnlyNDaUsa said:

imprimis said:

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'Wednesday' is most likely a brief piano vignette, only a 10-20 seconds long, rather than a fully developed song, part of a now excised extended beginning to the 'What, a subpoena?' scene.

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Susan said "that jill sings in the movie"

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Well, even in the Dreams script, she does sing at the piano during this sequence. I didn't mean to suggest it was strictly an instrumental. Part of a cheesy unrequited love Jill - Prince subplot eliminated from the final film. It's most likely about 15 to 20 seconds of badly acted/lipsync'ed 'fake live' playback, with a prerecorded vocal and piano bit, leading into an extended dialog as Prince walks in with his famous shades. (If she sang it live, the vocal would probably have been ADR'ed, had it survived it into late post-production, so same result at the end of the day).

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The scene in the released film begins just shortly after this cut segment. I believe you can even briefy see the piano in the reflection in P's sunglasses if you pay close enough attention.

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(What I am saying is that 'Wednesday' isn't likely an outtake in the sense of being a full-length studio production that might have ended up on an album)

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An extended version of the film would be interesting; I'm quite certain that more than one transfer workprint exists in the director's and also in private hands (which may well have the missing scenes from the trailer and LGC video, among other extended takes), but some of the choicest deleted sequences and excerpts were eliminated early in editing (the barn, Brownmark's lines, the froufrou'ed dog/extras, etc), or were never used at all, and most or all of the original negatives and sound elements are believed to have been discarded during editing or destroyed in the late 1980s to clear space in the storage archives.

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[Edited 2/9/17 13:25pm]

imprimis said: