PaisleyPrint said:

Does anybody have a birth time for Mayte Garcia? I have her DOB as: November 12, 1973 in Fort Rucker, Alabama. Is there someone on here who can ask her what her time of birth is, and confirm the place. Thanks if you could.

Might want to ask on the associated artists & people forum. Lots of Mayte fans.

purplepoppy said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Does anybody have a birth time for Mayte Garcia? I have her DOB as: November 12, 1973 in Fort Rucker, Alabama. Is there someone on here who can ask her what her time of birth is, and confirm the place. Thanks if you could.

Might want to ask on the associated artists & people forum. Lots of Mayte fans.

Okay, thanks.

Before I get into the analysis of Mayte and Prince's synastry, I decided (as always) to look at things from all angles (the transits, progressions, her planetary configurations). In Prince's natal chart there was a progressed aspect to the ruler of his seventh House (indicating marriage) when he married Mayte. But what I found even more interesting were the square/opposition aspects Mayte has between her Venus, Saturn and Pluto. She has a T-Square between these planets (just as Prince has a T-Square between Venus, Neptune and Uranus). A T-Square is like a triangle (involving 3 planets) where the planet at the top (focal point) is squaring (90 degree angle) the planets at the bottom (of the triangle), and at the base of the triangle, those two plantets are opposing (180 degrees) one another. Let's look at these aspects in Mayte's chart and see what the authors Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker say about them: First, her Venus opposite Saturn:

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Venus opposite Saturn: The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 428

This opposition is often the cause of emotional frustrations and financial hardships. The natives experience disappointments in love and have few pleasures in life. Often they are depressed because Saturn frustrates the natural tendencies of Venus toward joy, beauty, and happiness. Their natures may be made cold because of continual deprivations and heavy responsibilities.

This opposition often indicates an unhappy marriage in which the spouse is unresponsive, unfortunate and poor, harsh and dictatorial, much older than the native-the marriage may be based on financial considerations only with a lack of any love.

Often the natives are misunderstood by their friends, or else their friends are a great deal older than they are.

This opposition can also make it difficult to relate to the public at large and does not favor popularity because the natives always appear to be so reserved.

Marriage may be delayed or prevented altogether. The parents can have an unfortunate effect on the natives by being poor, too strict, cold, or oppresive. Or they may force the natives to assume heavy responsibilities prematurely.

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My take on it: Obviously, not all of this applies to Mayte, But..."I" would say she did experience disappointments in love (with Prince as well as Tommy Lee, and subsequent relationships). She never seemed to find love again after Prince. Whether it was becasue they didn't want children (Tommy Lee) or they just didn't measure up to what she had with Prince. Also, she has not remarried either. And of course, this aspect indicating an "unhappy marriage" is self explanatory, as well as the part about the "spouse" being "harsh and dictatorial, much older than the native"... Wow! shm... and people continually say they don't believe in this stuff. Now, as for her parents being oppresive towards her, strict or whatever, idk cause we don't know her personally. But the assuming heavy responsibilities "prematurely" , I can TRULY see it.

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Venus square Pluto The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 369

This square tends to cause intense emotional and sexual involvements. Sometimes these can have a debasing influence. The natives are subject to being overwhelmed by sexual passions, too strong to be controlled or properly directed. There is often something karmic or fated about the native's romantic lives.

As is sometimes the case with Venus square Uranus or Neptune, this aspect indicates that social conditions or impersonal cosmic events can interfere with personal happiness and emotional fulfillment. For example, a girl might lose her lover because he is drafted into the army.

Because of the natural opposition between Scorpio and Taurus, this aspect can produce a desire for material wealth. Sex and romance can become tainted with financial considerations, leading in extreme cases to prostitution. Marriage too may be motivated by the desire for financial security rather than by deep, abiding love.

The aspect can give a high degree of artistic inspiration and power of expression, which can provide a means of sublimating some of the emotional forces it generates

The square may be associated with magic as a means of gaining the favor of the opposite sex, or for influencing the public to gain fame or fortune. It can also indicate secret love affairs.

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My take on it: The first paragraph may or may not be true but I can say there was/is something definitely karmic or fated about her romantic life. Also, notice the second paragraph where the author speaks of "As is sometimes the case with Venus square Uranus or Neptune..." (Prince has Venus square Uranus) and goes on to speak about impersonal cosmic events interfering with personal happiness and emotional fulfillment. Their child would have definitely brought them both emotional fulfillment AND personal happiness... but it just seems (like the author stated) as "fate" would have it, it just wasn't meant to be for some reason. I remember Mayte saying in a speach shortly after P died, something about, "I lost my children, and as a result, lost my marriage (husband)", or something like that. Even though the authors meant fate in gerneral, the "impersonal cosmic events" reminded me of the transits that occured in his natal chart that I spoke of earlier (transiting Pluto squaring P's natal Moon) and how it coincided with the death of his child. Since astrology deals with past lives, wouldn't it be something (even though we have no way of prooving it) if they, say, maybe ran an orphanage in a past life and were abusive to the children and fate brought them together in this life as husband and wife to balance their karma in that way. The possibilities are endless. Just saying, ya know... The part about the artistic inspiration and her "power of expression" is her dancing. As for the magic, Well...I (we) don't know her personally, soooo...moving right along. Now, the "secret love affair" thing. Well, Fiona3000 did say in her YouTube videos that Mayte cheated on Prince with some other guy. Idk...

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Saturn square Pluto The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 379

Person's with this square often feel that they have the weight of the world on their shoulders. Constantly changing impersonal social conditions are likely to impose disappointments and heavy responsibilities on them. Something somber and mysterious blocks their progress in the affairs represented by the signs and houses which Saturn and Pluto occupy and rule.

There is a danger of plot and intrigue with the natives either being victims or innovators. In extreme cases they can become victims or practitioners of the deliberate selfish use of occult powers. Natives may resort to extreme measures to attain their proffesional ambitions. Their personal destiny is strongly tied in with mass karma.

Occasionally someone associated with the native will take on the role of dictator or, conversely, the native may be dictatorial. The natives often have a desire to control and remake the lives of others, and their ambition for power may be extreme.

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My take on it: Here we go again with the "disappointments" and "heavy responsibilities". About something "somber and mysterious" blocking her progress. My guess is that she has planets in the fifth house (children, romance ect.) involved in this T-square or the rulers of her fifth house are involved in these squares/oppositions. I'mma be honest and say this, and this is NO LIE, as for the plot, intrigue, and being a victim or practioner of occult powers, I'd ALWAYS believed someone (maybe a jealous ex) had done something to her and P's relationship occult-wise to curse their union. I think Fiona3000 even mentions it in her videos. Now folks, y'all gotta admit: This is "SOMETHING ELSE!". Even if you don't believe in astrology. These books by Frances S. and Louis A. were written in 1973-1975, so there is no way they could have looked at Prince, Manuella, Mayte ect. birthdays and just made this stuff up based off their planetary positions (which is what it sounds like ) But we all know they weren't even famous yet, let alone even thought about. Notice too how her ruling planet Pluto (her being a Scorpio) are involved in these squares/oppositions.

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For the record, she has:

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Venus opposite Saturn (Venus 6 degrees in Capricorn; Saturn 4 degrees in Cancer)

Venus square Pluto (Venus 6 degrees in Capricorn; Pluto 5 degrees in Libra)

Saturn square Pluto (Saturn 4 degrees in Cancer; Pluto 5 degrees Libra)

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Sooooo... so far I've showed you how Prince (according to his natal chart) was not destined to be faithful to one woman, among lots of other things, of course. In addition to that, I've showed how the transits influenced those traits already in his natal chart, which sparked his relationship with Mani, and exactly what that relationship was based on. I've showed you how Mayte's planetary positions show sadness/heartache and loss when it comes to relationships.

Next up: Mayte and Prince's synastry

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Synastry between Mayte and Prince

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Her Sun is conjunct his Ascendant

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A's Sun conjunct B's Ascendant The Astrology of Human Relationships pg. 72

The Ascendant deals with a person's basic awareness of spiritual essence, and the Sun is concerned with the basic life energy and self expression, through it's exaltation in Aries in the First House. Consequently, this comparative combination can indicate a strong spiritual link between the two people.

Though on the negative side, there can be danger of competition, these individuals can effectively reinforce each other's self-image, self-awareness, will power, and self expression. If they take advantage of the positive influence of this comparative aspect, it's effect can be very powerful.

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Her Venus falls in his Second House

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A's Venus in B's Second House The Astrology of Human Relationships pg. 164

This is a common comparative placement in business partnerships dealing with financial affairs or pleasure-oriented services, or with items that represent beauty, refinement, and luxury. The natives can together acquire art and objects of material value and beauty. The Second House individual can provide the Venus individual with wealth or material possesions. By the same token, the Venus individual can help the Second House individual acquire wealth and material possessions of beauty and refinement and assist in the social aspects of these activities. In a marriage relationship, one or both parties may be motivated by consideration of money or material possessions. If Venus is afflicted in the comparison, the natives may encourage each other to make unwise expenditures on unnecessarily luxurious or expensive living habits.

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My take on it: I had to laugh at this one because that is exactly what he did when he bought her that Spanish villa and had those plates engraved with his and her initials. And remember that big picture of them on the wall inside the house? Did they really need those things? I can't say for certain, but this is interesting, and when you're rich like P, ya gotta spend that money on something.

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Her Venus is sextile his Moon in his Fourth House

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A's Venus Sextile B's Moon The Astrology of Human Relationships pg.108

This is a good comparative aspect for romantic attraction and marriage. The natives tend to be sympathetic toward and considerate of each other and to share social , musical, aritstic, and other refined cultural activities and appreciations. They will share an interest in creating a harmonious, beautiful home and domestic life, and they are likely to have many friends in common. If other factors in the horoscope are agreeable, the natives will generally have a sympathetic emotional understanding of each other's moods and feelings which can border on the intuitive level. The Venus individual can bring social and artistic activities into the home and family life of the Moon individual. The Moon individual can provide domestic security and emotional support for the social and artistic expressions of the Venus individual. This is a good combination for parent-child relationships; it increases love and sympathetic understanding. It can contribute to sexual and and romantic attractions if other factors are favorable. It is also a good combination for business partnerships pertaining to luxury items, art, fine clothing, perfumes, flowers and luxury items for the home.

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My take on it: The thing with all this is that, "if" other factors in the comparison are agreeable, and a LOT of them aren't as we shall see with her Venus square his Mars ect. and while this aspect did a lot to help their relationship, there were others that were bad. P, being the Moon individual did provide domestic security and emotional support for her social and artistic expression, because if I'm not mistaken, she went on the road with him for a while as a dancer before she moved to Minneapolis to live with him. Isn't astrology fun

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Her Venus is square his Mars in his Fifth House

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A's Venus square B's Mars The Astrology of Human Relationships

This comparative combination often produces strong sexual attractions; however, there is usually a lack of real emotional compatibility and mutual consideration. The relationship can be entered into by one or both parties merely for sexual gratification, without real concern for the other party as a person.

In romantic and marital relationships, sexual jealousy and possessiveness can be a problem. The natives tend to influence each other to be impulsive in both emotional expression and financial expenditures. This is not a good combination where prudence and thrift are important.

The Venus native is likely to see the Mars individual as impulsive, brash, ill-mannered, or inconsiderate. The Mars native may consider the Venus individual to be soft, lazy, self-indulgent, and emotionally super-sensitive. This is a very difficult aspect, especially for close personal relationships.

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My take on it: Prince was definately possessive toward her. He even said so himself. LOL @ the financial impulsiveness again with this aspect. Indeed he did see Mayte as super-sensitive. I think everybody does though.

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Her Saturn is in his Eighth House

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A's Saturn in B's Eighth House The Astrology of Human Relationships pg. 260

This placement of Saturn indicates mutual responsibilities in joint finances, corporate affairs, business dealings, and matters related to inheritances, insurance and in cases of divorce, alimony. The Saturn individual can assist the Eighth House native to effectively organize his or her corporate financial affairs and make conscientious, wise and conservative use of joint finances. The Eighth House individual can likewise encourage the use of joint financial resources to further the Saturn native's career and business ambitions. Marital relationships with this combination could falter from a lack of real love, and from emotional, mental and spiritual incompatability. Afflictions to Saturn in the comparison can bring loss through death, conflict over inheritances, disagreements over joint finances or discord over payment of alimony.

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My take on it: This placement is interesting. Did Prince encourage the use of "joint finances" to help "further her career"? Who knows, only she knows the answer to that question. Here we go again with the "lack of real love". Her Saturn in his 8th House is afflicted to his Mars in his 5th House of children, creativity ect. That loss was certainly their children.

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A's Saturn square B's Mars The Astrology of Human Relationships pg. 213

Difficulties in professional relationships of all kinds are indicated. The natives are likely to make unreasonable and inconsiderate demands on each other.The Saturn individual will try to exercise a restaraining influence on the Mars individual, which he or she will resent. The Saturn individual will, in turn, resent the Mars individual's aggressive attempts to initiate what the Saturn person considers rash and impulsive actions and will regard these actions as a threat to status and security. There can be conflict and possible lawsuits over corporate funds, insurance, inheritances and alimony.

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My take on it: Ya know, when reading the part about the inconsiderate demands, I couldn't help but think about how Mayte said she was instructed to NEVER, EVER call him for any reason, and that he would call her. And of course she resented it. Anybody would, being the spouse and all. Smh...

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Her Neptune is also square his Moon (see description in reply #1 pg. 1 of this thread) that talks about there being an element of deception in this relationship also

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In summary, I was surprised to see all the "lack of real love" descriptions in their synastry, and also with Mayte's planetary aspects (her Venus opposite her Saturn) in her own natal chart. I can definately see karma and destiny played out here between them, as far as her having in those aspects that I named earlier, the destiny of having a dictatorial, much older spouse, being unlucky in love. The "loss" that they suffered together (her Saturn in his 8th House of death) squaring his Mars in his 5th House of children. And on top of it, giving her sheer HELL about utter nonsense (not wanting her to ever call him). My Lord, My Lord...Smh

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PaisleyPrint said:

anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Sooooo... so far I've showed you how Prince (according to his natal chart) was not destined to be faithful to one woman, among lots of other things, of course. In addition to that, I've showed how the transits influenced those traits already in his natal chart, which sparked his relationship with Mani, and exactly what that relationship was based on. I've showed you how Mayte's planetary positions show sadness/heartache and loss when it comes to relationships.

Next up: Mayte and Prince's synastry

I do give astrology a little credence and thank you for this. It's interesting. This (and some other things you've said) jibe with some things I felt right after Prince's passing, including that yesterday I revisited Maya's YouTube video where she said that Prince had beautiful women coming in and out of PP on a constant basis and there was a sort of ritual he had where he'd take each one for bike rides etc..(smile...) and other things. She then said he was a REAL "G". I believe that means "gangsta" in street talk. She also mentioned in her very honest expressions of who he was that he was very difficult sometimes. She also talked about how incredibly generous he was and how encouraging. I think he knew after Purple Rain that he was going to basically have to be a certain person in order to protect everything and he able to do all he did, including his giving. Maya said he wanted to save the world - and told her once he was very busy trying to do just that. He felt he had no time to waste, including on sleep. She worked with him much later; I think somewhere in the last 3 years of his life here on earth with us in his former physical form. [Edited 2/10/17 8:57am]

Yeah, it's "something else". Here is the video on YouTube where she tells Access Hollywood how she got pregnant, lost the baby months later, and then lost her marriage https://youtu.be/N4dWR9w_HU If the link doesn't work the title is Mayte Garcia talks Marriage To Prince, Losing Their Baby & More.

PaisleyPrint said:

anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Yeah, it's "something else". Here is the video on YouTube where she tells Access Hollywood how she got pregnant, lost the baby months later, and then lost her marriage https://youtu.be/N4dWR9w_HU If the link doesn't work the title is Mayte Garcia talks Marriage To Prince, Losing Their Baby & More.

She did so well on that speech. It's really incredible. No reading from a paper, straight from her heart. She was tactful and honest. I can see why Prince liked her so much. I have also read that she is even much more physically beautiful in person. [Edited 2/11/17 6:27am]

Yeah, it was truly heartbreaking watching that. I was thinking after writing their analysis yesterday that maybe he shouldn't have become involved with her romantically and just remained friends, because her Venus sextiling his Moon in his Fourth House showed that there was some affection there, but I think when they became involved romantically (her Saturn in his Eighth squaring his Mars in his Fifth) it messed things up. Then again, he has Venus in his Sixth House, and the way the planets were aligned at his birth (see first post) he was destined to do just that (become involved romanically with those he worked with). Just as she was destined to experience the heartache and loss in her life as she did, as well as having a dictatorial spouse So it was all divine destiny and karma working itself out.

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PaisleyPrint said:

anangellooksdown said:

Here's a copy of the letter. I pray my iPhone will do this right.., http://www.lipstickalley....1464333423

Didn't see anything when I clicked on the link.

PaisleyPrint said:

These are not my words, but something I read from a medium about the purpose of Ahmir's life and death for Prince ( take from it what u will ) :

Prince always knew he was different somehow and that no one could keep up with him but it wasn't until his son was born (and then died) that he understood. He says that his son was the bridge that he walked over to become the energy required as an Ascended Master. And that was his son's purpose - to be that bridge. He said that he began to see that he didn't have to channel all his energy ONLY into music and performing but he could create other avenues and channel even more energy there. So, it was an expansion for him once he crossed that bridge. He's said several times to me and through me that he chose to leave the physical when he realized how much more he could do and help from this other space.

ChanGirl said:

anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Didn't see anything when I clicked on the link.

Hopefully one of these will work. https://s-media-cache-ak0...4dc14c.jpg http://prince.org/gallery...ml?id=4879

I read it. Touching...

anangellooksdown said:

ChanGirl said:

These are not my words, but something I read from a medium about the purpose of Ahmir's life and death for Prince ( take from it what u will ) :

Prince always knew he was different somehow and that no one could keep up with him but it wasn't until his son was born (and then died) that he understood. He says that his son was the bridge that he walked over to become the energy required as an Ascended Master. And that was his son's purpose - to be that bridge. He said that he began to see that he didn't have to channel all his energy ONLY into music and performing but he could create other avenues and channel even more energy there. So, it was an expansion for him once he crossed that bridge. He's said several times to me and through me that he chose to leave the physical when he realized how much more he could do and help from this other space.

Chan...that is absolutely beautiful. Thanks 💜

Indeed it is.

Remember that "T-square" (involving Uranus, Venus and Neptune) that Prince has in his natal chart that I mentioned before starting he and Mayte's synastry. He has:

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Uranus square Neptune (Uranus 8 degrees in Leo; Neptune 2 degrees in Scorpio)

Uranus square Venus (Uranus 8 degrees in Leo; Venus 7 degrees in Taurus)

Neptune opposite Venus (Neptune 2 degrees in Scorpio; Venus 7 degrees in Taurus)

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On the first page and section of this thread, I gave the synopsis of his Neptune opposite Venus and Uranus square Venus. I didn't bother giving the difinition of his Uranus square Neptune because I didn't think it had any bearing on his relationships. And after all, that's what this thread is about. But after reading reply #215 in the thread DENISE KATRINA MATTHEWS, I was reminded of it and have decided to post it. His Uranus is in his Ninth House (philosophy, religion) and Neputune in his Twelfth (the unconscious, psychological health, secrets, self-undoing). For a complete list of what the Houses mean, look here https://astrolibrary.org/houses/

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Uranus in Leo The Astrologer's Handbook pg 202

Uranus in the sign Leo indicates a generation of people who seek freedom in love and romance. Their ideas about courtship and sex may depart from traditional moral standards, and they are likely to believe in free love. Uranus in Leo can give strong willpower and creativity in the arts and sciences, as well as the potential for original kinds of leadership. People with this position seek to create a unique type of expression in order to be outstanding in their endeavors. They can develope new concepts in art, music, and the theater. Rather than conform to the standards of the society they live in, they prefer to create their own standards. However, there is danger of egotism with this position, as Uranus is in it's detriment in Leo; hence they should get involved in matters of social or universal-rather than personal concern.

These people can be stubborn, and they have difficulty compromising or cooperating with others. If Uranus is afflicted in this sign, they will insist on having their own way, to the extent that they will completely refuse to cooperate.

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My take on it: The first two sentences pretty much sums up who he was in the relationship department. AND it's square to his Venus (see Venus square Uranus on the first page), so yes it's afflicted.

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Uranus in the Ninth House The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 211

Uranus in the Ninth House indicates advanced ideas in regard to philosophy, religion, and higher education. People with this position often depart from orthodox religious views and become interested in astrology, telepathy, occult sciences, or the idea of reincarnation, for example. Their notions about education will be progressive, with an interest in new methods of theaching, such as the use of audio-visual and electronic techniques. Often they have utopian ideas, which can vary in practicality depending upon the aspects of Uranus.

These people are inclined to travel suddenly, in search of stimulation and adventure. The mystery of the remote past , far distances, or the utopian future fascinates them; hence their interest in such subjects as astronomy and archeology. If Uranus if afflicted in this house, it can produce fanatical adherence to esoteric cults and political or social philosophies. Or the natives can be an "armchair philosopher", whose pat answers for the world's ills are not based on any practical experience.

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Neptune in the Twelfth House The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 224

Neptune in the Twelfth House indicates an intuitive link with the unconscious mind. Strong mystical religious tendencies are manifested. Privacy and seclusion are sought, being necessary for inner spiritual search. Often there are memories of previous incarnations, and much depth of spiritual wisdom is brought over from the past.

If Neptune is well aspected, there is ability with clairvoyance, psychology, and healing. Poetic, musical, and artistic sensitivity and ability are also present. If Neptune is afflicted, there is neurotic preoccupation with the problems of the past, since the natives are open to negative misleading psychic influences. This often results in mental confusion, woolgathering, and withdrawal from the practical affairs of life. These people are prey to fears and neurotic problems arising from the unconscious.

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Uranus square Neptune The Astrologer's Hanbook pg. 380

This square is indicative of a generation (those born in the 1950's) whose karma is to live in a time of exceptional social turmoil.

The natives are prone to emotional and psychic confusion. However, these effects will not be pronounced in the average individual unless Uranus or Neptune is in an angular house or heavily aspected by squares and oppositions from other planets.

The degree to which the above is true and which houses are involved in the square will indicate to what extent and in what manner individuals are affected by the turmoil. Also to be considered are the affairs ruled by the houses and signs in which Uranus and Neptune are found and the houses they rule. These will be subject to peculiar, sudden, elusive and upsetting conditions. The natives can be somewhat high-strung, willful, and nervous. They are inclined to have set ideas and opinions.

Involvement in secret societies and intrigues is possible. There can be high idealism, but of a confused and sometimes impractical kind. This feature again depends on the rest of the map. Mediumistic and occult matters can be a source of trouble: the natives must cope with discordant and inharmonious conditions on these levels.

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My take on it: Squares to Uranus indicate instability, impulsiveness and rash action. Remember on the first page/post where I explained how Uranus square his "Venus" cause him to be unstable when it comes to relationships ect. Uranus is in his Ninth House of religion/philosophy. Causing him to be unstable in his "beliefs" also. Mind you, Uranus is the ruler of his Fourth House (home, family, the mother) and Neptune, the ruler of his Fifth House (romance, children, creativity ect.) Also, Venus is the ruler of his Seventh House (marriage, partnerships, the public) and his Twelfth House (unconscious, all that is hidden, self-undoing, secrets). All three of these planets are involved in this T-square. Therefore, all these areas of this life will be subject to peculiar, sudden, elusive and upsetting conditions. Venus opposite his Neptune spoke of, "Their unconscious desires generate wishful thinking and distorted perceptions of reality. This reminds me of when Sheila E. told the story of the time Prince asked her to marry him. I'll quote her. "There are a couple of songs that I really loved, and sometimes in the middle of playing "Purple Rain", like, my eyes are closed and I don't know where I am, and I don't know that I'm in front of 20 or 30,000 people. Prince turned around and looked at me--we knew we had connected, we had gone to that peak musically-and he proposed". Indeed, they had gone to that peak. The UNCONSCIOUS. That is what the Twelfth House is all about. The part about the " Involvement in secret societies and intrigues" (Uranus square Neptune) reminds me of Maryam40's videos on YouTube https://youtu.be/N7x7GMiDmSW titled: "George Micheal and Prince Sacrificed for the Queen's 90th Birthday Part 1 ". There is a video on YouTube titled: PRINCE, LARRY GRAHAM, GOD, MUSIC (interview 1999), at 8:43 the interviewer asked him if he still had the same firm belief in reincarnation. Prince asked him, "Do you still have the firm belief in not wearing ties"? LOL! So yeah, he was constantly changing, evolving spiritually.

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PaisleyPrint said:

Wow, this Neptune stuff just made me understand something. Thanks for that.

PaisleyPrint said:

Remember that "T-square" (involving Uranus, Venus and Neptune) that Prince has in his natal chart that I mentioned before starting he and Mayte's synastry. He has:

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Uranus square Neptune (Uranus 8 degrees in Leo; Neptune 2 degrees in Scorpio)

Uranus square Venus (Uranus 8 degrees in Leo; Venus 7 degrees in Taurus)

Neptune opposite Venus (Neptune 2 degrees in Scorpio; Venus 7 degrees in Taurus)

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On the first page and section of this thread, I gave the synopsis of his Neptune opposite Venus and Uranus square Venus. I didn't bother giving the difinition of his Uranus square Neptune because I didn't think it had any bearing on his relationships. And after all, that's what this thread is about. But after reading reply #215 in the thread DENISE KATRINA MATTHEWS, I was reminded of it and have decided to post it. His Uranus is in his Ninth House (philosophy, religion) and Neputune in his Twelfth (the unconscious, psychological health, secrets, self-undoing). For a complete list of what the Houses mean, look here https://astrolibrary.org/houses/

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Uranus in Leo The Astrologer's Handbook pg 202

Uranus in the sign Leo indicates a generation of people who seek freedom in love and romance. Their ideas about courtship and sex may depart from traditional moral standards, and they are likely to believe in free love. Uranus in Leo can give strong willpower and creativity in the arts and sciences, as well as the potential for original kinds of leadership. People with this position seek to create a unique type of expression in order to be outstanding in their endeavors. They can develope new concepts in art, music, and the theater. Rather than conform to the standards of the society they live in, they prefer to create their own standards. However, there is danger of egotism with this position, as Uranus is in it's detriment in Leo; hence they should get involved in matters of social or universal-rather than personal concern.

These people can be stubborn, and they have difficulty compromising or cooperating with others. If Uranus is afflicted in this sign, they will insist on having their own way, to the extent that they will completely refuse to cooperate.

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My take on it: The first two sentences pretty much sums up who he was in the relationship department. AND it's square to his Venus (see Venus square Uranus on the first page), so yes it's afflicted.

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Uranus in the Ninth House The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 211

Uranus in the Ninth House indicates advanced ideas in regard to philosophy, religion, and higher education. People with this position often depart from orthodox religious views and become interested in astrology, telepathy, occult sciences, or the idea of reincarnation, for example. Their notions about education will be progressive, with an interest in new methods of theaching, such as the use of audio-visual and electronic techniques. Often they have utopian ideas, which can vary in practicality depending upon the aspects of Uranus.

These people are inclined to travel suddenly, in search of stimulation and adventure. The mystery of the remote past , far distances, or the utopian future fascinates them; hence their interest in such subjects as astronomy and archeology. If Uranus if afflicted in this house, it can produce fanatical adherence to esoteric cults and political or social philosophies. Or the natives can be an "armchair philosopher", whose pat answers for the world's ills are not based on any practical experience.

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Neptune in the Twelfth House The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 224

Neptune in the Twelfth House indicates an intuitive link with the unconscious mind. Strong mystical religious tendencies are manifested. Privacy and seclusion are sought, being necessary for inner spiritual search. Often there are memories of previous incarnations, and much depth of spiritual wisdom is brought over from the past.

If Neptune is well aspected, there is ability with clairvoyance, psychology, and healing. Poetic, musical, and artistic sensitivity and ability are also present. If Neptune is afflicted, there is neurotic preoccupation with the problems of the past, since the natives are open to negative misleading psychic influences. This often results in mental confusion, woolgathering, and withdrawal from the practical affairs of life. These people are prey to fears and neurotic problems arising from the unconscious.

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Uranus square Neptune The Astrologer's Hanbook pg. 380

This square is indicative of a generation (those born in the 1950's) whose karma is to live in a time of exceptional social turmoil.

The natives are prone to emotional and psychic confusion. However, these effects will not be pronounced in the average individual unless Uranus or Neptune is in an angular house or heavily aspected by squares and oppositions from other planets.

The degree to which the above is true and which houses are involved in the square will indicate to what extent and in what manner individuals are affected by the turmoil. Also to be considered are the affairs ruled by the houses and signs in which Uranus and Neptune are found and the houses they rule. These will be subject to peculiar, sudden, elusive and upsetting conditions. The natives can be somewhat high-strung, willful, and nervous. They are inclined to have set ideas and opinions.

Involvement in secret societies and intrigues is possible. There can be high idealism, but of a confused and sometimes impractical kind. This feature again depends on the rest of the map. Mediumistic and occult matters can be a source of trouble: the natives must cope with discordant and inharmonious conditions on these levels.

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My take on it: Squares to Uranus indicate instability, impulsiveness and rash action. Remember on the first page/post where I explained how Uranus square his "Venus" cause him to be unstable when it comes to relationships ect. Uranus is in his Ninth House of religion/philosophy. Causing him to be unstable in his "beliefs" also. Mind you, Uranus is the ruler of his Fourth House (home, family, the mother) and Neptune, the ruler of his Fifth House (romance, children, creativity ect.) Also, Venus is the ruler of his Seventh House (marriage, partnerships, the public) and his Twelfth House (unconscious, all that is hidden, self-undoing, secrets). All three of these planets are involved in this T-square. Therefore, all these areas of this life will be subject to peculiar, sudden, elusive and upsetting conditions. Venus opposite his Neptune spoke of, "Their unconscious desires generate wishful thinking and distorted perceptions of reality. This reminds me of when Sheila E. told the story of the time Prince asked her to marry him. I'll quote her. "There are a couple of songs that I really loved, and sometimes in the middle of playing "Purple Rain", like, my eyes are closed and I don't know where I am, and I don't know that I'm in front of 20 or 30,000 people. Prince turned around and looked at me--we knew we had connected, we had gone to that peak musically-and he proposed". Indeed, they had gone to that peak. The UNCONSCIOUS. That is what the Twelfth House is all about. The part about the " Involvement in secret societies and intrigues" (Uranus square Neptune) reminds me of Maryam40's videos on YouTube https://youtu.be/N7x7GMiDmSW titled: "George Micheal and Prince Sacrificed for the Queen's 90th Birthday Part 1 ". There is a video on YouTube titled: PRINCE, LARRY GRAHAM, GOD, MUSIC (interview 1999), at 8:43 the interviewer asked him if he still had the same firm belief in reincarnation. Prince asked him, "Do you still have the firm belief in not wearing ties"? LOL! So yeah, he was constantly changing, evolving spiritually.

[Edited 2/18/17 12:39pm]

I updated this and added Uranus in Leo. Sorry, I should have put all this on the first page.

Thanks, this is very interesting and enlightening

anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Remember that "T-square" (involving Uranus, Venus and Neptune) that Prince has in his natal chart that I mentioned before starting he and Mayte's synastry. He has:

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Uranus square Neptune (Uranus 8 degrees in Leo; Neptune 2 degrees in Scorpio)

Uranus square Venus (Uranus 8 degrees in Leo; Venus 7 degrees in Taurus)

Neptune opposite Venus (Neptune 2 degrees in Scorpio; Venus 7 degrees in Taurus)

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On the first page and section of this thread, I gave the synopsis of his Neptune opposite Venus and Uranus square Venus. I didn't bother giving the difinition of his Uranus square Neptune because I didn't think it had any bearing on his relationships. And after all, that's what this thread is about. But after reading reply #215 in the thread DENISE KATRINA MATTHEWS, I was reminded of it and have decided to post it. His Uranus is in his Ninth House (philosophy, religion) and Neputune in his Twelfth (the unconscious, psychological health, secrets, self-undoing). For a complete list of what the Houses mean, look here https://astrolibrary.org/houses/

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Uranus in the Ninth House The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 211

Uranus in the Ninth House indicates advanced ideas in regard to philosophy, religion, and higher education. People with this position often depart from orthodox religious views and become interested in astrology, telepathy, occult sciences, or the idea of reincarnation, for example. Their notions about education will be progressive, with an interest in new methods of theaching, such as the use of audio-visual and electronic techniques. Often they have utopian ideas, which can vary in practicality depending upon the aspects of Uranus.

These people are inclined to travel suddenly, in search of stimulation and adventure. The mystery of the remote past , far distances, or the utopian future fascinates them; hence their interest in such subjects as astronomy and archeology. If Uranus if afflicted in this house, it can produce fanatical adherence to esoteric cults and political or social philosophies. Or the natives can be an "armchair philosopher", whose pat answers for the world's ills are not based on any practical experience.

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Neptune in the Twelfth House The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 224

Neptune in the Twelfth House indicates an intuitive link with the unconscious mind. Strong mystical religious tendencies are manifested. Privacy and seclusion are sought, being necessary for inner spiritual search. Often there are memories of previous incarnations, and much depth of spiritual wisdom is brought over from the past.

If Neptune is well aspected, there is ability with clairvoyance, psychology, and healing. Poetic, musical, and artistic sensitivity and ability are also present. If Neptune is afflicted, there is neurotic preoccupation with the problems of the past, since the natives are open to negative misleading psychic influences. This often results in mental confusion, woolgathering, and withdrawal from the practical affairs of life. These people are prey to fears and neurotic problems arising from the unconscious.

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Uranus square Neptune The Astrologer's Hanbook pg. 380

This square is indicative of a generation (those born in the 1950's) whose karma is to live in a time of exceptional social turmoil.

The natives are prone to emotional and psychic confusion. However, these effects will not be pronounced in the average individual unless Uranus or Neptune is in an angular house or heavily aspected by squares and oppositions from other planets.

The degree to which the above is true and which houses are involved in the square will indicate to what extent and in what manner individuals are affected by the turmoil. Also to be considered are the affairs ruled by the houses and signs in which Uranus and Neptune are found and the houses they rule. These will be subject to peculiar, sudden, elusive and upsetting conditions. The natives can be somewhat high-strung, willful, and nervous. They are inclined to have set ideas and opinions.

Involvement in secret societies and intrigues is possible. There can be high idealism, but of a confused and sometimes impractical kind. This feature again depends on the rest of the map. Mediumistic and occult matters can be a source of trouble: the natives must cope with discordant and inharmonious conditions on these levels.

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My take on it: Squares to Uranus indicate instability, impulsiveness and rash action. Remember on the first page/post where I explained how Uranus square his "Venus" cause him to be unstable when it comes to relationships ect. Uranus is in his Ninth House of religion/philosophy. Causing him to be unstable in his "beliefs" also. Mind you, Uranus is the ruler of his Fourth House (home, family, the mother) and Neptune, the ruler of his Fifth House (romance, children, creativity ect.) Also, Venus is the ruler of his Seventh House (marriage, partnerships, the public) and his Twelfth House (unconscious, all that is hidden, self-undoing, secrets). All three of these planets are involved in this T-square. Therefore, all these areas of this life will be subject to peculiar, sudden, elusive and upsetting conditions. Venus opposite his Neptune spoke of, "Their unconscious desires generate wishful thinking and distorted perceptions of reality. This reminds me of when Sheila E. told the story of the time Prince asked her to marry him. I'll quote her. "There are a couple of songs that I really loved, and sometimes in the middle of playing "Purple Rain", like, my eyes are closed and I don't know where I am, and I don't know that I'm in front of 20 or 30,000 people. Prince turned around and looked at me--we knew we had connected, we had gone to that peak musically-and he proposed". Indeed, they had gone to that peak. The UNCONSCIOUS. That is what the Twelfth House is all about. The part about the " Involvement in secret societies and intrigues" (Uranus square Neptune) reminds me of Maryam40's videos on YouTube https://youtu.be/N7x7GMiDmSW titled: "George Micheal and Prince Sacrificed for the Queen's 90th Birthday Part 1 ". There is a video on YouTube titled: PRINCE, LARRY GRAHAM, GOD, MUSIC (interview 1999), at 8:43 the interviewer asked him if he still had the same firm belief in reincarnation. Prince asked him, "Do you still have the firm belief in not wearing ties"? LOL! So yeah, he was constantly changing, evolving spiritually.

[Edited 2/15/17 5:06am]

Yes he was. I think he had grown from absolutes to understanding the necessity of having an open mind so he could be teachable and keep growing. He explored a lot of things. I believe that ultimately some worked (especially his strong ability to stay "present", in "the now"), while other parts of him might have remained untreated, as it were, which could be why he still had problems in the romance area and could also still be extremely difficult sometimes. BTW, I know that he knows all of this now, what his shortcomings were but also that he is loved. I don't think he really minds or cares about us talking about these things, as long as we can learn and grow from his life here.

Yes, this. Very deep, anangellooksdown. I love reading your words.

PaisleyPrint said:

Remember that "T-square" (involving Uranus, Venus and Neptune) that Prince has in his natal chart that I mentioned before starting he and Mayte's synastry. He has:

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Uranus square Neptune (Uranus 8 degrees in Leo; Neptune 2 degrees in Scorpio)

Uranus square Venus (Uranus 8 degrees in Leo; Venus 7 degrees in Taurus)

Neptune opposite Venus (Neptune 2 degrees in Scorpio; Venus 7 degrees in Taurus)

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On the first page and section of this thread, I gave the synopsis of his Neptune opposite Venus and Uranus square Venus. I didn't bother giving the difinition of his Uranus square Neptune because I didn't think it had any bearing on his relationships. And after all, that's what this thread is about. But after reading reply #215 in the thread DENISE KATRINA MATTHEWS, I was reminded of it and have decided to post it. His Uranus is in his Ninth House (philosophy, religion) and Neputune in his Twelfth (the unconscious, psychological health, secrets, self-undoing). For a complete list of what the Houses mean, look here https://astrolibrary.org/houses/

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Uranus in Leo The Astrologer's Handbook pg 202

Uranus in the sign Leo indicates a generation of people who seek freedom in love and romance. Their ideas about courtship and sex may depart from traditional moral standards, and they are likely to believe in free love. Uranus in Leo can give strong willpower and creativity in the arts and sciences, as well as the potential for original kinds of leadership. People with this position seek to create a unique type of expression in order to be outstanding in their endeavors. They can develope new concepts in art, music, and the theater. Rather than conform to the standards of the society they live in, they prefer to create their own standards. However, there is danger of egotism with this position, as Uranus is in it's detriment in Leo; hence they should get involved in matters of social or universal-rather than personal concern.

These people can be stubborn, and they have difficulty compromising or cooperating with others. If Uranus is afflicted in this sign, they will insist on having their own way, to the extent that they will completely refuse to cooperate.

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My take on it: The first two sentences pretty much sums up who he was in the relationship department. AND it's square to his Venus (see Venus square Uranus on the first page), so yes it's afflicted.

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Uranus in the Ninth House The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 211

Uranus in the Ninth House indicates advanced ideas in regard to philosophy, religion, and higher education. People with this position often depart from orthodox religious views and become interested in astrology, telepathy, occult sciences, or the idea of reincarnation, for example. Their notions about education will be progressive, with an interest in new methods of theaching, such as the use of audio-visual and electronic techniques. Often they have utopian ideas, which can vary in practicality depending upon the aspects of Uranus.

These people are inclined to travel suddenly, in search of stimulation and adventure. The mystery of the remote past , far distances, or the utopian future fascinates them; hence their interest in such subjects as astronomy and archeology. If Uranus if afflicted in this house, it can produce fanatical adherence to esoteric cults and political or social philosophies. Or the natives can be an "armchair philosopher", whose pat answers for the world's ills are not based on any practical experience.

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Neptune in the Twelfth House The Astrologer's Handbook pg. 224

Neptune in the Twelfth House indicates an intuitive link with the unconscious mind. Strong mystical religious tendencies are manifested. Privacy and seclusion are sought, being necessary for inner spiritual search. Often there are memories of previous incarnations, and much depth of spiritual wisdom is brought over from the past.

If Neptune is well aspected, there is ability with clairvoyance, psychology, and healing. Poetic, musical, and artistic sensitivity and ability are also present. If Neptune is afflicted, there is neurotic preoccupation with the problems of the past, since the natives are open to negative misleading psychic influences. This often results in mental confusion, woolgathering, and withdrawal from the practical affairs of life. These people are prey to fears and neurotic problems arising from the unconscious.

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Uranus square Neptune The Astrologer's Hanbook pg. 380

This square is indicative of a generation (those born in the 1950's) whose karma is to live in a time of exceptional social turmoil.

The natives are prone to emotional and psychic confusion. However, these effects will not be pronounced in the average individual unless Uranus or Neptune is in an angular house or heavily aspected by squares and oppositions from other planets.

The degree to which the above is true and which houses are involved in the square will indicate to what extent and in what manner individuals are affected by the turmoil. Also to be considered are the affairs ruled by the houses and signs in which Uranus and Neptune are found and the houses they rule. These will be subject to peculiar, sudden, elusive and upsetting conditions. The natives can be somewhat high-strung, willful, and nervous. They are inclined to have set ideas and opinions.

Involvement in secret societies and intrigues is possible. There can be high idealism, but of a confused and sometimes impractical kind. This feature again depends on the rest of the map. Mediumistic and occult matters can be a source of trouble: the natives must cope with discordant and inharmonious conditions on these levels.

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My take on it: Squares to Uranus indicate instability, impulsiveness and rash action. Remember on the first page/post where I explained how Uranus square his "Venus" cause him to be unstable when it comes to relationships ect. Uranus is in his Ninth House of religion/philosophy. Causing him to be unstable in his "beliefs" also. Mind you, Uranus is the ruler of his Fourth House (home, family, the mother) and Neptune, the ruler of his Fifth House (romance, children, creativity ect.) Also, Venus is the ruler of his Seventh House (marriage, partnerships, the public) and his Twelfth House (unconscious, all that is hidden, self-undoing, secrets). All three of these planets are involved in this T-square. Therefore, all these areas of this life will be subject to peculiar, sudden, elusive and upsetting conditions. Venus opposite his Neptune spoke of, "Their unconscious desires generate wishful thinking and distorted perceptions of reality. This reminds me of when Sheila E. told the story of the time Prince asked her to marry him. I'll quote her. "There are a couple of songs that I really loved, and sometimes in the middle of playing "Purple Rain", like, my eyes are closed and I don't know where I am, and I don't know that I'm in front of 20 or 30,000 people. Prince turned around and looked at me--we knew we had connected, we had gone to that peak musically-and he proposed". Indeed, they had gone to that peak. The UNCONSCIOUS. That is what the Twelfth House is all about. The part about the " Involvement in secret societies and intrigues" (Uranus square Neptune) reminds me of Maryam40's videos on YouTube https://youtu.be/N7x7GMiDmSW titled: "George Micheal and Prince Sacrificed for the Queen's 90th Birthday Part 1 ". There is a video on YouTube titled: PRINCE, LARRY GRAHAM, GOD, MUSIC (interview 1999), at 8:43 the interviewer asked him if he still had the same firm belief in reincarnation. Prince asked him, "Do you still have the firm belief in not wearing ties"? LOL! So yeah, he was constantly changing, evolving spiritually.

[Edited 2/18/17 12:39pm]

Dear PaisleyPrint. This is interesting. I read that their relationship was meant to be but not meant to last.

Haystack said:

It's bad enough full-grown adults genuinely believing in a giant made-up fairy in the sky that they name God, but the idea that the time of year we're born affects how we are and what controls our lives is even more ridiculous. The fact that threads like this are taken seriously by some people worries me about humankind.

Nah, don't even try it. LOL!!! The ancients have studied this science for EONS and it has proven itself time and time again. The proof is in the pudding. You should not be worried about people writing or reading threads like this, but instead, worry about people killing, raping and terrorizing this world. If they were all reading "threads like this" we would have NOTHING to worry about and the world would be at peace. Besides, if you think it's "garbage", "worthless" or whatever. Why even bother reading OR commenting. Just IGNORE it. Man, I tell ya, you naysayers kill me! I wished I could do YOUR natal chart Have a good one.

Haystack said:

It's bad enough full-grown adults genuinely believing in a giant made-up fairy in the sky that they name God, but the idea that the time of year we're born affects how we are and what controls our lives is even more ridiculous. The fact that threads like this are taken seriously by some people worries me about humankind.

1. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

2. I'm surprised you're so surprised that some of the fans of someone so evidently spiritual are also spiritual.

3. I'm really bored of superior atheist types dismissing people for believing in such a silly cartoon version of God with no understanding that many religious/spiritual people have a waaaay more sophisticated idea of what that might mean.

PaisleyPrint said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Not at the moment. I am thinking about it though.

Ooohhhh if u do plz plz let me know!!! I would love to have you put together mine. Would love to know whats been behind this roller coaster life of nine. Thank u for all your hard work and effort. Truly mind blowing! [Edited 2/23/17 18:08pm]

No problem, I will. Yes, it IS truly mind blowing isn't it. I've been studying peoples natal charts since the early 90's and have NEVER failed to see a natal chart "tell the story" of a persons life. Same with the synastry (relationship comparison charts).

Prince and Susannah Melvoin is next y'all. The back and forth debate about her on the "DENISE KATRINA MATTHEWS" thread got me to thinkin' bout them

[Edited 2/26/17 8:02am]

PaisleyPrint said:

Prince and Susannah Melvoin is next y'all. The back and forth debate about her on the "DENISE KATRINA MATTHEWS" thread got me to thinkin' bout them

[Edited 2/26/17 8:02am]

I do not know anything about the debate, but I am looking forward to reading your analysis about this relationship.