BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

RODSERLING said:

Where ? Because on amazon it's not on it. But you can buy the album for 750 e

It is in the Tidal music store which anyone can go to

TIDAL is way too obscure than AMAZON and I Tunes.

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So according to Databank's theory : " WB doesn't want to benefit from album post 1993, because they don't like easy money.

But they prefer to cash on FOR YOU or GRAFFITI BRIDGE, just because it is harder to sell than COME or GOLD.

And WB finds entertaining the fact that GOLD experience contains the biggest hit of prince outside the USA (TMBGITW, which was #3 in airplay last year, but WB chose to not sell it on digital dl, just for the fun of not selling hundred of thousand of dl) and that the single GOLD is one of the 10 best selling single of Prince in the UK.

In fact, WB really prefers that hardcore fans spend hundred of euros / dollars on secondhand copies of GOLD instead of selling it and making money from it."

via billboard 1/9/17

long-promised expanded edition of the Purple Rain album, which the source says has been completed and is expected to be released by summer if not sooner.

getxxxx said:

via billboard 1/9/17

long-promised expanded edition of the Purple Rain album, which the source says has been completed and is expected to be released by summer if not sooner.

Source:

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http://www.billboard.com/...bruno-mars

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Information relevant to this discussion is at the end of the article:
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He signed a new catalog deal with Warner in 2014 that sources say granted him unspecified increased rights to the material; that relationship was further solidified after his death to include some of Prince’s vast vault of unreleased material. The first fruit of that relationship arrived in November with the Prince 4Ever compilation -- featuring one unreleased song, “Moonbeam Levels” -- as well as a long-promised expanded edition of the Purple Rain album, which the source says has been completed and is expected to be released by summer if not sooner.
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Billboard will have more on this news as it develops.

There you go.

getxxxx said:

laurarichardson said:

getxxxx said:

via billboard 1/9/17

long-promised expanded edition of the Purple Rain album, which the source says has been completed and is expected to be released by summer if not sooner.

--The summertime is not January, early in the year, or the first quarter

It's also not cancelled.

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

getxxxx said: --The summertime is not January, early in the year, or the first quarter

It's also not cancelled.

The orignal poster asked a question was it delayed or cancelled. Many other posters start screaming that it will out early in the year. NOT

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

It's also not cancelled.

The orignal poster asked a question was it delayed or cancelled. Many other posters start screaming that it will out early in the year. NOT

The 2nd poster (YOU) said:

"I will not be surprised if we never see it."

Still feel that way?

You then when on to argue that "they said January", but could offer no proof of that statement.
Because there isn't any. Because they didn't say January.

Now you're wanna go on about how summer isn't January or 1st quarter, neither of which was promised by WB. They did say EARLY this year. Do you really want to bicker about how "summer if not sooner" isn't "early" in the year?

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

The orignal poster asked a question was it delayed or cancelled. Many other posters start screaming that it will out early in the year. NOT

The 2nd poster (YOU) said:

"I will not be surprised if we never see it."

Still feel that way?

You then when on to argue that "they said January", but could offer no proof of that statement.
Because there isn't any. Because they didn't say January.

Now you're wanna go on about how summer isn't January or 1st quarter, neither of which was promised by WB. They did say EARLY this year. Do you really want to bicker about how "summer if not sooner" isn't "early" in the year?

It seems like her whole steeze here is to bicker. About anything.

This announce from Billboard only shows that WB hadn't received anything valuable for Prince concerning the bonus track. It was cancelled until Prince's death. Now, they still struggle to find something in the vault.

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Last october, WB said "early 2017" or "first quarter". 3 months later, Billboard (and not WB) now says "summer 2017", that is up until 20 september . And that means that they will miss the 21 april golden date, which is commercially a mistake. Maybe it will still be deleted until november for the holiday market.

laurarichardson said:

IstenSzek said:

early 2017 doesn't mean the first week of january

i figured we'd be hearing something mid february and possibly a release in or around april.

your thread title is very misleading though since there is no official cancellation at all yet.

However it was suppose to be January.

How do you know???

laurarichardson said:

getxxxx said:

via billboard 1/9/17

long-promised expanded edition of the Purple Rain album, which the source says has been completed and is expected to be released by summer if not sooner.

--The summertime is not January, early in the year, or the first quarter

read it again.

"summertime IF NOT SOONER"

smh

RODSERLING said:

This announce from Billboard only shows that WB hadn't received anything valuable for Prince concerning the bonus track. It was cancelled until Prince's death. Now, they still struggle to find something in the vault.

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Last october, WB said "early 2017" or "first quarter". 3 months later, Billboard (and not WB) now says "summer 2017", that is up until 20 september . And that means that they will miss the 21 april golden date, which is commercially a mistake. Maybe it will still be deleted until november for the holiday market.

I hate to disagree ROD, but I think your first paragraph here is all opinions and assumptions.

As for the rest, the announcement in October did say "early" this year but did not say "first quarter". While I would agree that "summer if not sooner" is not the same as "early" in the year, it is also no reason to think that it will be cancelled or delayed until the holidays. Those things could happen but as yet nothing indicates they will.

A bunch of these recent and forthcoming vinyl releases have seen delays as well. Nothing to get excited about.

djThunderfunk said:

RODSERLING said:

This announce from Billboard only shows that WB hadn't received anything valuable for Prince concerning the bonus track. It was cancelled until Prince's death. Now, they still struggle to find something in the vault.

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Last october, WB said "early 2017" or "first quarter". 3 months later, Billboard (and not WB) now says "summer 2017", that is up until 20 september . And that means that they will miss the 21 april golden date, which is commercially a mistake. Maybe it will still be deleted until november for the holiday market.

I hate to disagree ROD, but I think your first paragraph here is all opinions and assumptions.

As for the rest, the announcement in October did say "early" this year but did not say "first quarter". While I would agree that "summer if not sooner" is not the same as "early" in the year, it is also no reason to think that it will be cancelled or delayed until the holidays. Those things could happen but as yet nothing indicates they will.

A bunch of these recent and forthcoming vinyl releases have seen delays as well. Nothing to get excited about.

OH yeah ? lol so what is your theory about the fact that WB chose to sit on what Prince offers them 3 years ago instead of releasing it for the 30 th anniversary as they publicized it at the time?

Or in 2015 ?

Or just after Prince death ?

Or for christmas 2016 instead of 4EVER ?

Or for early 2017 as initially planned ?

Or just in time for the first year of Prince 's death ?

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The album was remasterised years ago, and it's not as if they had to re-record the tracks.

So why this ridiculous delay ?

laurarichardson said:

getxxxx said:

via billboard 1/9/17

long-promised expanded edition of the Purple Rain album, which the source says has been completed and is expected to be released by summer if not sooner.

--The summertime is not January, early in the year, or the first quarter

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Two of those three you made up, and the only previously communicated one -- "early" -- is so vague it could basically be anytime in the first half of the year. AS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU ON THIS THREAD REPEATEDLY.

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Stop repeating the BS you made up.

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

I hate to disagree ROD, but I think your first paragraph here is all opinions and assumptions.

As for the rest, the announcement in October did say "early" this year but did not say "first quarter". While I would agree that "summer if not sooner" is not the same as "early" in the year, it is also no reason to think that it will be cancelled or delayed until the holidays. Those things could happen but as yet nothing indicates they will.

A bunch of these recent and forthcoming vinyl releases have seen delays as well. Nothing to get excited about.

OH yeah ? lol so what is your theory about the fact that WB chose to sit on what Prince offers them 3 years ago instead of releasing it for the 30 th anniversary as they publicized it at the time?

Or in 2015 ?

Or just after Prince death ?

Or for christmas 2016 instead of 4EVER ?

Or for early 2017 as initially planned ?

Or just in time for the first year of Prince 's death ?

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The album was remasterised years ago, and it's not as if they had to re-record the tracks.

So why this ridiculous delay ?

With all due respect, like you, I don't KNOW. Neither of us are privy to behind the scenes dealings and those that are have not provided any details.

I could, however, speculate:

My best guess is that in the 2 years between the original 30th Ann. announcement and Prince's death the release was delayed due to Prince and WB being unable to agree on the contents. I would presume that he wanted to include as little as possible and that they wanted to make it much more of a deluxe release to maximize sales.

As for the current delays, we can assume that the Estate & WB have to work out all the details and that WB's promotion department will need to maximize their efforts to make this particular release a big deal as Purple Rain is the lynch-pin of their Prince catalog.

Of course, like your own proclamations, this is all merely speculation and my guesses do not hold any more weight than your own.

Regardless, as Purple Rain is the most valuable piece of the catalog, it is a certainty that the album will be re-issued, and soon. In fact, I am certain that this particular album will see several subsequent re-issues in the years to come, featuring different extras and different mastering, different packaging, etc...

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

I hate to disagree ROD, but I think your first paragraph here is all opinions and assumptions.

As for the rest, the announcement in October did say "early" this year but did not say "first quarter". While I would agree that "summer if not sooner" is not the same as "early" in the year, it is also no reason to think that it will be cancelled or delayed until the holidays. Those things could happen but as yet nothing indicates they will.

A bunch of these recent and forthcoming vinyl releases have seen delays as well. Nothing to get excited about.

OH yeah ? lol so what is your theory about the fact that WB chose to sit on what Prince offers them 3 years ago instead of releasing it for the 30 th anniversary as they publicized it at the time?

Or in 2015 ?

Or just after Prince death ?

Or for christmas 2016 instead of 4EVER ?

Or for early 2017 as initially planned ?

Or just in time for the first year of Prince 's death ?

.

The album was remasterised years ago, and it's not as if they had to re-record the tracks.

So why this ridiculous delay ?

Rod, again, you have to consider what was possibly Prince’s last statement (tweet) about this remaster package. He tweeted that WB would not pay “proper” licensing fees to NPG so he would not green light its release. P obviously was not satisfied with the piece of the pie he was offered. I don’t believe that it’s reasonable to place the blame for this long delay squarely on the shoulders of WB or Prince. The two parties could not come to an agreement.

Iamtheorg said:

djThunderfunk said:

The 2nd poster (YOU) said:

"I will not be surprised if we never see it."

Still feel that way?

You then when on to argue that "they said January", but could offer no proof of that statement.
Because there isn't any. Because they didn't say January.

Now you're wanna go on about how summer isn't January or 1st quarter, neither of which was promised by WB. They did say EARLY this year. Do you really want to bicker about how "summer if not sooner" isn't "early" in the year?

It seems like her whole steeze here is to bicker. About anything.

Now, you're getting it.

djThunderfunk said:

RODSERLING said:

OH yeah ? lol so what is your theory about the fact that WB chose to sit on what Prince offers them 3 years ago instead of releasing it for the 30 th anniversary as they publicized it at the time?

Or in 2015 ?

Or just after Prince death ?

Or for christmas 2016 instead of 4EVER ?

Or for early 2017 as initially planned ?

Or just in time for the first year of Prince 's death ?

.

The album was remasterised years ago, and it's not as if they had to re-record the tracks.

So why this ridiculous delay ?

With all due respect, like you, I don't KNOW. Neither of us are privy to behind the scenes dealings and those that are have not provided any details.

I could, however, speculate:

My best guess is that in the 2 years between the original 30th Ann. announcement and Prince's death the release was delayed due to Prince and WB being unable to agree on the contents. I would presume that he wanted to include as little as possible and that they wanted to make it much more of a deluxe release to maximize sales.

As for the current delays, we can assume that the Estate & WB have to work out all the details and that WB's promotion department will need to maximize their efforts to make this particular release a big deal as Purple Rain is the lynch-pin of their Prince catalog.

Of course, like your own proclamations, this is all merely speculation and my guesses do not hold any more weight than your own.

Regardless, as Purple Rain is the most valuable piece of the catalog, it is a certainty that the album will be re-issued, and soon. In fact, I am certain that this particular album will see several subsequent re-issues in the years to come, featuring different extras and different mastering, different packaging, etc...

OMG. A cogent and rational answer?! On this site?!

dsimp8 said:

Man I hope The album drops on January 31,2017 at 11:59 pm .then I guess people would be bitching about time zones then

If they don't release or release it and it has very little beyond the original album - Warners name will be dragged through the mud and I don't think the Prince army will ever trust them again.

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They will be less popular than the "Estate" is with Michael Jackson fans.

djThunderfunk said:

RODSERLING said:

OH yeah ? lol so what is your theory about the fact that WB chose to sit on what Prince offers them 3 years ago instead of releasing it for the 30 th anniversary as they publicized it at the time?

Or in 2015 ?

Or just after Prince death ?

Or for christmas 2016 instead of 4EVER ?

Or for early 2017 as initially planned ?

Or just in time for the first year of Prince 's death ?

.

The album was remasterised years ago, and it's not as if they had to re-record the tracks.

So why this ridiculous delay ?

With all due respect, like you, I don't KNOW. Neither of us are privy to behind the scenes dealings and those that are have not provided any details.

I could, however, speculate:

My best guess is that in the 2 years between the original 30th Ann. announcement and Prince's death the release was delayed due to Prince and WB being unable to agree on the contents. I would presume that he wanted to include as little as possible and that they wanted to make it much more of a deluxe release to maximize sales.

As for the current delays, we can assume that the Estate & WB have to work out all the details and that WB's promotion department will need to maximize their efforts to make this particular release a big deal as Purple Rain is the lynch-pin of their Prince catalog.

Of course, like your own proclamations, this is all merely speculation and my guesses do not hold any more weight than your own.

Regardless, as Purple Rain is the most valuable piece of the catalog, it is a certainty that the album will be re-issued, and soon. In fact, I am certain that this particular album will see several subsequent re-issues in the years to come, featuring different extras and different mastering, different packaging, etc...

blacknote said:

RODSERLING said:

OH yeah ? lol so what is your theory about the fact that WB chose to sit on what Prince offers them 3 years ago instead of releasing it for the 30 th anniversary as they publicized it at the time?

Or in 2015 ?

Or just after Prince death ?

Or for christmas 2016 instead of 4EVER ?

Or for early 2017 as initially planned ?

Or just in time for the first year of Prince 's death ?

.

The album was remasterised years ago, and it's not as if they had to re-record the tracks.

So why this ridiculous delay ?

Rod, again, you have to consider what was possibly Prince’s last statement (tweet) about this remaster package. He tweeted that WB would not pay “proper” licensing fees to NPG so he would not green light its release. P obviously was not satisfied with the piece of the pie he was offered. I don’t believe that it’s reasonable to place the blame for this long delay squarely on the shoulders of WB or Prince. The two parties could not come to an agreement.

Prince and WB publicly came to an agreement. And then some months later, Prince discovers he is not payed enough ? . And what is odd is that nothing ever filtrated from the bonus track he was supposed to gave them. Even after his death...If prince gave them something, many people would have bragged about it.

RODSERLING said:

blacknote said:

Rod, again, you have to consider what was possibly Prince’s last statement (tweet) about this remaster package. He tweeted that WB would not pay “proper” licensing fees to NPG so he would not green light its release. P obviously was not satisfied with the piece of the pie he was offered. I don’t believe that it’s reasonable to place the blame for this long delay squarely on the shoulders of WB or Prince. The two parties could not come to an agreement.

Prince and WB publicly came to an agreement. And then some months later, Prince discovers he is not payed enough ? . And what is odd is that nothing ever filtrated from the bonus track he was supposed to gave them. Even after his death...If prince gave them something, many people would have bragged about it.

Prince was well known for signing deal and mùaking fusses afterwards about the deal being bad, you know how he could be. He didn't want to be obligated in any way to WB, he signed to get his masters back because that was his priority, then gave them hell for 2 years about everything else. At least that would be typical Prince.

I agree with Thunder though, as with the post-93 WB releases you tend to assume too much IMHO. Your theories are plausible, but not verified. I see where you're coming from, but the flaw in your reasoning is that you usually turn the non-existence of something into the existence of something else (I'm not sure I'm being clear ), which makes the affirmation impossible to verify in any case.

No one knows anything for sure. Let's wait: people will talk eventually.

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I do not understand why above you say WB can't use the videos? Hopefully the rerelease will be associated with the videos being uploaded on WB's YT channel or an official Prince estate account, I don't see why this couldn't happen. As for the Double Live concert I'm not sure who has the rights, but given that WB had a licencing deal with Polygram up until they created their own music home videos label, I would assume the Polygram shows reverted to either WB or Prince at some point (in 2014 or possibly earlier).

dsimp8 said:

Man I hope The album drops on January 31,2017 at 11:59 pm .then I guess people would be bitching about time zones then

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

With all due respect, like you, I don't KNOW. Neither of us are privy to behind the scenes dealings and those that are have not provided any details.

I could, however, speculate:

My best guess is that in the 2 years between the original 30th Ann. announcement and Prince's death the release was delayed due to Prince and WB being unable to agree on the contents. I would presume that he wanted to include as little as possible and that they wanted to make it much more of a deluxe release to maximize sales.

As for the current delays, we can assume that the Estate & WB have to work out all the details and that WB's promotion department will need to maximize their efforts to make this particular release a big deal as Purple Rain is the lynch-pin of their Prince catalog.

Of course, like your own proclamations, this is all merely speculation and my guesses do not hold any more weight than your own.

Regardless, as Purple Rain is the most valuable piece of the catalog, it is a certainty that the album will be re-issued, and soon. In fact, I am certain that this particular album will see several subsequent re-issues in the years to come, featuring different extras and different mastering, different packaging, etc...

So we both agree that WB wasn't satisfied enough with the content Prince gave to them. I'm not saying at all this is WB's fault. They tried hard since 2004 to re-release Prince's catalogue. . As for the promotion, packaging, tv specials and other things, I think in 3 years, even with the uncertainty of the bonus tracks, they had time to prepare it. Note that no material video was planned for the initial 30th in 2014, which I think is a commercial mistake. I doubt the PR re-release will benefit from huge promotion, without being able to use the video material. But I must confess that on this one I could be wrong. . The more they wait for the release, the less they will sell. In 2014 the market was bigger than in 2016, and we are in 2017. . I highly doubt there will be a re-re-release of PR, as the physical market in five years will be a kind of a niche.

I agree that the market continues to shrink, in fact, it's already kind of niche. But, that is exactly who these deluxe editions are marketed to: the niche audience. So, I would predict that this is exactly why we WILL see more than one re-release of PR. As the market becomes more and more niche, the labels will make more & more niche products. I expect we'll get a 2CD Purple Rain this year, then a deluxe box set a few years down the road.

So basically still...no one has any idea when or even if this thing is gonna happen. A shame. It's not the fans fault. It was how business was conducted by the artist and management.

Scarfo said:

So basically still...no one has any idea when or even if this thing is gonna happen. A shame. It's not the fans fault. It was how business was conducted by the artist and management.

Umm, as getxxxx posted above:

via billboard 1/9/17

"long-promised expanded edition of the Purple Rain album, which the source says has been completed and is expected to be released by summer if not sooner."

[Edited 1/13/17 6:57am]