WB has not even the right to reprint post 1993 albums, even not in digital or vynile format !

According to some sources, Prince never sign anything since 1998, even for the Musicology tour, not even for the Tidal deal.

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If it was like I suspect it an oral agreement over the PR deluxe deal, that explains a lot about why WB never forced him to give them unreleased material.

Prince thought, as usual, that WB didn't respected their part of the "contract" with the promotion of AOA / PLEC.

So he gave them the "same album, the same content, but remastered" in Prince's own words.

RODSERLING said:

Of course it has been cancelled.

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It was announced last october that PR deluxe will be released in early 2017, then in the first quarter. FunkU magazine said that every quarter of the year, there will be a new re-release, debuting with Purple rain.

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Since nothing has transpired from the project yet (tracklist, packaging, promotion plan), we can assume this has been scrapped for copyright reasons with the estate.

....from the info i got these later days.....FUNK-U....said that these projets are at this stage always due for release by WB in the months 2 come !

laurarichardson said:

TrivialPursuit said:

That's totally untrue, though. No one ever said January 2017. "early" doesn't equate to the first month. Hell, think in terms of school semesters or fiscal quarters and find the "first part of the year" months. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until the summer to almost perfectly coincide with the original release months of the single, album, and movie.

It's also untrue that WB wasn't interested. No one ever said that. Prince put it together as part of the AOA/PE distribution deal, and the masters being returned, etc etc. (Discussed until we're all blue in the face.) Yet oddly, WB didn't put out a greatest hits in the past couple of years, they put out his two new albums, and agreed to put out the PR remaster.

If they were interested in the PR remaster it should have come out first instead of the Greatest Hits which by the way did poorly sales wise and would have done poorly if Prince was alive. You simply do not need multiple greatest hits packages.

I guess you also forgot Prince's own tweets about the disagreement over the licensing fee for the remaster. If WB really wanted to put out the remaster they would not have been a disagreement.

WB only put out AOA and did nothing to promote it. They had no involvement in the Hit n Run. At this time we do not have a PR remaster and the best time to put it out was this past Christmas season. I also know that someone in the media or on this board said it would be out in January not that could have been bullshit but that January date was out in the fan community. Screwing around and putting if off is a hugh mistake and putting out on his death anniversitiy would just be fucking tacky.

Please link to ANY report or ANY thread that announced the release in January.

April would be tacky, just like the big concert/paisley park tour celebration thing that is happening then.

Just because it's tacky doesn't mean they won't do it.

RODSERLING said:

Of course it has been cancelled.

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Originally due to 2014, according to some insider in the french Schkopi forum at the time, WB wanted it to be a huge release with a lot of promotion à la DIAMONDS AND PEARLS. They wanted Prince to do a new Purple Rain Tour (and at the time, Prince was seeing in the attendance of one of the SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE show).

But as we all know it, Prince never delivered to them the infamous "unheard material" or even if he did, it was deemed not enough worthy. Prince said himself in september 2014 that the new release will be just "the same album".

Without Prince's full involvement and promotion in the release, WB couldn't release it anyway.

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Now that Prince is dead, you'd think that if WB had unreleased tracks given by Prince, they would have already released it. They want this re-edition badly since 2004.

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It was announced last october that PR deluxe will be released in early 2017, then in the first quarter. FunkU magazine said that every quarter of the year, there will be a new re-release, debuting with Purple rain.

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Since nothing has transpired from the project yet (tracklist, packaging, promotion plan), we can assume this has been scrapped for copyright reasons with the estate.

There it is, an ASSUMPTION, not a fact...

laurarichardson said:

Thank you if WB had anything they would have put it out already and I mean anything from PR.

Right now they own nothing and if no deal on this project was sorted out when P was alive they are going to have to deal with the estate. We are not going to see anything any time soon.

The only reason we got the Prince Forever package is that Prince and WB agreeded on that one.

The deal was in place before he passed.

We already have seen artwork for Black is the new Black and we know from Andrian Prince had plans for this project. I do not think he gave one rat's ass about the PR remaster. He was moving on with his Piano and Mic show which was really his greatest hits show.

I really hope the family continues to operate separate from the industry maybe using a label for marketing and distrubution only. I do not think WB will spend the money promoting vault material.

You really believe that Prince agreed to include Sexy MF & Head on 4Ever?!?

HIGHLY unlikely.

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You're making shit up again.

I know what I read and they last time I looked January is in the first quarter. If P and WB had not come to an agreement on this project before he passed we are not going to get it.

Now go find out how U. S probate law functions before you come back here with your made up shit or nothing because whoever has been running their mouth and feeding you info for years can get you the 911 anymore.

911?!?

djThunderfunk said:

RODSERLING said:

Of course it has been cancelled.

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Originally due to 2014, according to some insider in the french Schkopi forum at the time, WB wanted it to be a huge release with a lot of promotion à la DIAMONDS AND PEARLS. They wanted Prince to do a new Purple Rain Tour (and at the time, Prince was seeing in the attendance of one of the SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE show).

But as we all know it, Prince never delivered to them the infamous "unheard material" or even if he did, it was deemed not enough worthy. Prince said himself in september 2014 that the new release will be just "the same album".

Without Prince's full involvement and promotion in the release, WB couldn't release it anyway.

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Now that Prince is dead, you'd think that if WB had unreleased tracks given by Prince, they would have already released it. They want this re-edition badly since 2004.

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It was announced last october that PR deluxe will be released in early 2017, then in the first quarter. FunkU magazine said that every quarter of the year, there will be a new re-release, debuting with Purple rain.

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Since nothing has transpired from the project yet (tracklist, packaging, promotion plan), we can assume this has been scrapped for copyright reasons with the estate.

There it is, an ASSUMPTION, not a fact...

The fact is that PR 30 th anniversary has been announced officially numerous times since april 2014, and you still not have it in your hands.

So you must be in denying or something to not see there is a huge problem with this release, that is clearly not resolved as we speak.

[Edited 1/5/17 6:13am]

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

Thank you if WB had anything they would have put it out already and I mean anything from PR.

Right now they own nothing and if no deal on this project was sorted out when P was alive they are going to have to deal with the estate. We are not going to see anything any time soon.

The only reason we got the Prince Forever package is that Prince and WB agreeded on that one.

The deal was in place before he passed.

We already have seen artwork for Black is the new Black and we know from Andrian Prince had plans for this project. I do not think he gave one rat's ass about the PR remaster. He was moving on with his Piano and Mic show which was really his greatest hits show.

I really hope the family continues to operate separate from the industry maybe using a label for marketing and distrubution only. I do not think WB will spend the money promoting vault material.

You really believe that Prince agreed to include Sexy MF & Head on 4Ever?!?

HIGHLY unlikely.

The very best of Prince released in 2001 clocks at 73 : 18. There is some unusual room left for Moonbeam Levels. Maybe that was the plan, and maybe they chose to keep it for another compilation instead.

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

There it is, an ASSUMPTION, not a fact...

The fact is that PR 30 th anniversary has been announced officially numerous times since april 2014, and you still not have it in your hands.

So you must be in denying or something to not see there is a huge problem with this release, that is clearly not resolved as we speak.

[Edited 1/5/17 6:13am]

It seems very clear to me that the reason the PR remaster was not released while P was alive was because of money….period point blank. It seems that P was still in negotiation mode when it came to this project (DESPITE THE DEAL BEING ANNOUNCED AND WB RELEASING TWO OF HIS ALBUMS AS PART OF THAT DEAL) and would not budge until WB “cut the pie fairly/equally” to his liking.

blacknote said:

RODSERLING said:

The fact is that PR 30 th anniversary has been announced officially numerous times since april 2014, and you still not have it in your hands.

So you must be in denying or something to not see there is a huge problem with this release, that is clearly not resolved as we speak.

[Edited 1/5/17 6:13am]

It seems very clear to me that the reason the PR remaster was not released while P was alive was because of money….period point blank. It seems that P was still in negotiation mode when it came to this project (DESPITE THE DEAL BEING ANNOUNCED AND WB RELEASING TWO OF HIS ALBUMS AS PART OF THAT DEAL) and would not budge until WB “cut the pie fairly/equally” to his liking.

That doesn't change the fact that WB still has trouble to find something valuable to include in the remaster. Now that he is dead, it would be a hell of a mess negociating with the estate, and then find something in the vault from this particular era.

ROD,

I agree that Prince & WB never came to an agreement about the Purple Rain release as far as what would be included and when it would be released. I agree this is why it didn't come out while he was alive. I don't agree that is stopping them now or a lack of further announcement 5 days into the year is an indication that it has been cancelled.

As for 4Ever, I wasn't talking about Moonbeams. I'm talking about Head & Sexy MF. I don't believe for a second that Prince agreed to include those 2 songs, uncensored, on a hits compilation. Before he died there was no indication that he changed his stance from the release of Ultimate at which time he blocked the inclusion of Sexy MF & Erotic City, IIRC.

As for a new reissue release every quarter, I missed that. First I heard of that was right here in this thread, so, I don't know. I do expect Purple Rain, though. Regardless of it being distasteful to release it in April, I expect they will since the family is having their Celebration at this time.

Time will tell.

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

Thank you if WB had anything they would have put it out already and I mean anything from PR.

Right now they own nothing and if no deal on this project was sorted out when P was alive they are going to have to deal with the estate. We are not going to see anything any time soon.

The only reason we got the Prince Forever package is that Prince and WB agreeded on that one.

The deal was in place before he passed.

We already have seen artwork for Black is the new Black and we know from Andrian Prince had plans for this project. I do not think he gave one rat's ass about the PR remaster. He was moving on with his Piano and Mic show which was really his greatest hits show.

I really hope the family continues to operate separate from the industry maybe using a label for marketing and distrubution only. I do not think WB will spend the money promoting vault material.

You really believe that Prince agreed to include Sexy MF & Head on 4Ever?!?

HIGHLY unlikely.

They WB said he picked the songs and quite frankly he seemed to be slipping on some of his JW ways.

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

You really believe that Prince agreed to include Sexy MF & Head on 4Ever?!?

HIGHLY unlikely.

They WB said he picked the songs and quite frankly he seemed to be slipping on some of his JW ways.

Just cause they said he approved it doesn't make it true. You say he was slipping, give an example of a "slip" that would indicate he changed his stance on this between the release of Ultimate and his death.

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

If they were interested in the PR remaster it should have come out first instead of the Greatest Hits which by the way did poorly sales wise and would have done poorly if Prince was alive. You simply do not need multiple greatest hits packages.

I guess you also forgot Prince's own tweets about the disagreement over the licensing fee for the remaster. If WB really wanted to put out the remaster they would not have been a disagreement.

WB only put out AOA and did nothing to promote it. They had no involvement in the Hit n Run. At this time we do not have a PR remaster and the best time to put it out was this past Christmas season. I also know that someone in the media or on this board said it would be out in January not that could have been bullshit but that January date was out in the fan community. Screwing around and putting if off is a hugh mistake and putting out on his death anniversitiy would just be fucking tacky.

Please link to ANY report or ANY thread that announced the release in January.

April would be tacky, just like the big concert/paisley park tour celebration thing that is happening then.

Just because it's tacky doesn't mean they won't do it.

I remember reading it and of course whoever said it could have been talking out of their ass. If they are going to put out this quarter and are going to do a pre-order we need to see something soon.

Trust me I know record companies don't give a shit about being tacky. I expect a big George Michael compliation from Sony who did not give a fuck all about him as an artist.

djThunderfunk said:

ROD,

I agree that Prince & WB never came to an agreement about the Purple Rain release as far as what would be included and when it would be released. I agree this is why it didn't come out while he was alive. I don't agree that is stopping them now or a lack of further announcement 5 days into the year is an indication that it has been cancelled.

As for 4Ever, I wasn't talking about Moonbeams. I'm talking about Head & Sexy MF. I don't believe for a second that Prince agreed to include those 2 songs, uncensored, on a hits compilation. Before he died there was no indication that he changed his stance from the release of Ultimate at which time he blocked the inclusion of Sexy MF & Erotic City, IIRC.

As for a new reissue release every quarter, I missed that. First I heard of that was right here in this thread, so, I don't know. I do expect Purple Rain, though. Regardless of it being distasteful to release it in April, I expect they will since the family is having their Celebration at this time.

Time will tell.

So, we agree about almost everything. Maybe the way of telling it differs.

In the entertainment industry, nothing is really ever cancelled, because it can still be released one day. WB will never say "this is cancelled".

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PURPLE RAIN deluxe could still be released in 2018 or 2019, under a form or another. But the hip is gone, and if they miss the first anniversary of his death, the commercial potential will be less and less appealing, so the content and the promotion will be less interesting.

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4EVER also revealed for sure that despite his death, despite promotion and ads on tv, radio, etc. It's hard to sell a prince album to a non anglo-saxon consumer.

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

They WB said he picked the songs and quite frankly he seemed to be slipping on some of his JW ways.

Just cause they said he approved it doesn't make it true. You say he was slipping, give an example of a "slip" that would indicate he changed his stance on this between the release of Ultimate and his death.

Did you see the clip of him at Madison Garden a few years back with pant half down.

Did you notice that the suppose to be celibate man was juggling a few chicks in his later years.

Did you not read in the Rolling Stone article that he himself said I slip up sometimes.( Kandance Springs said he tried to get with her) Andy Allo posted pics he took of her in Turks and Cacios

Did you read the interview with the butler at the Rio who spoke about the Patron Prince was drinking. ( JW are not suppose to drink)

I am not judging him we are all human and I do believe his intentions were good putting those songs out on the CD has nothing to do with him performing them live. In the end Prince owns the master recordings so how else do you think the songs got on the CD.

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

ROD,

I agree that Prince & WB never came to an agreement about the Purple Rain release as far as what would be included and when it would be released. I agree this is why it didn't come out while he was alive. I don't agree that is stopping them now or a lack of further announcement 5 days into the year is an indication that it has been cancelled.

As for 4Ever, I wasn't talking about Moonbeams. I'm talking about Head & Sexy MF. I don't believe for a second that Prince agreed to include those 2 songs, uncensored, on a hits compilation. Before he died there was no indication that he changed his stance from the release of Ultimate at which time he blocked the inclusion of Sexy MF & Erotic City, IIRC.

As for a new reissue release every quarter, I missed that. First I heard of that was right here in this thread, so, I don't know. I do expect Purple Rain, though. Regardless of it being distasteful to release it in April, I expect they will since the family is having their Celebration at this time.

Time will tell.

So, we agree about almost everything. Maybe the way of telling it differs.

In the entertainment industry, nothing is really ever cancelled, because it can still be released one day. WB will never say "this is cancelled".

.

PURPLE RAIN deluxe could still be released in 2018 or 2019, under a form or another. But the hip is gone, and if they miss the first anniversary of his death, the commercial potential will be less and less appealing, so the content and the promotion will be less interesting.

.

4EVER also revealed for sure that despite his death, despite promotion and ads on tv, radio, etc. It's hard to sell a prince album to a non anglo-saxon consumer.

4ever did not do well because people had already gone out and brought a whole bunch of stuff after he died. The market had dried up and WB just put it out because they could. You simply do not need 4 Greatest hits packages.

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

Just cause they said he approved it doesn't make it true. You say he was slipping, give an example of a "slip" that would indicate he changed his stance on this between the release of Ultimate and his death.

Did you see the clip of him at Madison Garden a few years back with pant half down.

Did you notice that the suppose to be celibate man was juggling a few chicks in his later years.

Did you not read in the Rolling Stone article that he himself said I slip up sometimes.( Kandance Springs said he tried to get with her) Andy Allo posted pics he took of her in Turks and Cacios

Did you read the interview with the butler at the Rio who spoke about the Patron Prince was drinking. ( JW are not suppose to drink)

I am not judging him we are all human and I do believe his intentions were good putting those songs out on the CD has nothing to do with him performing them live. In the end Prince owns the master recordings so how else do you think the songs got on the CD.

None of those instances indicates that he changed his mind about including such songs on compilations. In fact, before his death, most of us worried that any future reissues might be censored.

As for how the songs got on the CD without his approval, probably the same way Sexy MF & Erotic City were on early versions of Ultimate before he had them removed. You think WB doesn't have copies of those masters?

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

ROD,

I agree that Prince & WB never came to an agreement about the Purple Rain release as far as what would be included and when it would be released. I agree this is why it didn't come out while he was alive. I don't agree that is stopping them now or a lack of further announcement 5 days into the year is an indication that it has been cancelled.

As for 4Ever, I wasn't talking about Moonbeams. I'm talking about Head & Sexy MF. I don't believe for a second that Prince agreed to include those 2 songs, uncensored, on a hits compilation. Before he died there was no indication that he changed his stance from the release of Ultimate at which time he blocked the inclusion of Sexy MF & Erotic City, IIRC.

As for a new reissue release every quarter, I missed that. First I heard of that was right here in this thread, so, I don't know. I do expect Purple Rain, though. Regardless of it being distasteful to release it in April, I expect they will since the family is having their Celebration at this time.

Time will tell.

So, we agree about almost everything. Maybe the way of telling it differs.

In the entertainment industry, nothing is really ever cancelled, because it can still be released one day. WB will never say "this is cancelled".

.

PURPLE RAIN deluxe could still be released in 2018 or 2019, under a form or another. But the hip is gone, and if they miss the first anniversary of his death, the commercial potential will be less and less appealing, so the content and the promotion will be less interesting.

.

4EVER also revealed for sure that despite his death, despite promotion and ads on tv, radio, etc. It's hard to sell a prince album to a non anglo-saxon consumer.

We do agree on alot. That's cool...

I disagree on that last paragraph though. In my opinion, all 4EVER revealed is that it's hard to sell a Prince compilation that is inferior to what's already available (The Hits/The B-Sides) if only one new track is offered. Too many fans will opt to buy the track only or pirate the collection if they don't think it offers enough of value. (Not me. I bought it.)

laurarichardson said:

RODSERLING said:

So, we agree about almost everything. Maybe the way of telling it differs.

In the entertainment industry, nothing is really ever cancelled, because it can still be released one day. WB will never say "this is cancelled".

.

PURPLE RAIN deluxe could still be released in 2018 or 2019, under a form or another. But the hip is gone, and if they miss the first anniversary of his death, the commercial potential will be less and less appealing, so the content and the promotion will be less interesting.

.

4EVER also revealed for sure that despite his death, despite promotion and ads on tv, radio, etc. It's hard to sell a prince album to a non anglo-saxon consumer.

4ever did not do well because people had already gone out and brought a whole bunch of stuff after he died. The market had dried up and WB just put it out because they could. You simply do not need 4 Greatest hits packages.

I agree with the bolded but record companies do not. Pick almost any legacy artist and count how many compilations they have. I promise that 4Ever is not the last time we'll get a Prince compilation album.

djThunderfunk said:

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

None of those instances indicates that he changed his mind about including such songs on compilations. In fact, before his death, most of us worried that any future reissues might be censored.

As for how the songs got on the CD without his approval, probably the same way Sexy MF & Erotic City were on early versions of Ultimate before he had them removed. You think WB doesn't have copies of those masters?

--/What part Prince has the masters after he got them back form WB do you not understand. If they have copies and put them on without his permission that would be copyright infringement also JW or not Prince liked money it would have been stupid to put out another greatest hits without including something that did not appear on previous sets but I guess you think WB snuck into the vaults and put Moonbeam Levels on Forever😳. You like to argue for the sake of arguing.

You seem to think that because Prince getting ownership to his masters back means that WB does not still have access to them. Also, IIRC, that deal included WB having rights to distribution.

As for Moonbeam Levels, I'm not saying Prince didn't approve of that song, I'm saying he didn't agree to Head & Sexy MF. Furthermore, since the copy of Moonbeam Levels seems to be from the same source as the most recent bootleg copy, many fans speculate that WB didn't actually have the master to that one anyway.

As for your last sentence...

That is HILARIOUS coming from you particularly.
I disagree with your comments and I am debating them with my own, as happens in these forums.

You won't prove your opinions right or mine are wrong by claiming my motivations for arguing are because I like to argue.

laurarichardson said:

RODSERLING said:

So, we agree about almost everything. Maybe the way of telling it differs.

In the entertainment industry, nothing is really ever cancelled, because it can still be released one day. WB will never say "this is cancelled".

.

PURPLE RAIN deluxe could still be released in 2018 or 2019, under a form or another. But the hip is gone, and if they miss the first anniversary of his death, the commercial potential will be less and less appealing, so the content and the promotion will be less interesting.

.

4EVER also revealed for sure that despite his death, despite promotion and ads on tv, radio, etc. It's hard to sell a prince album to a non anglo-saxon consumer.

4ever did not do well because people had already gone out and brought a whole bunch of stuff after he died. The market had dried up and WB just put it out because they could. You simply do not need 4 Greatest hits packages.

Of course, but the non anglo saxon market doesn't care about Prince, dead or not.

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For instance, TVBO sold only 120.000 in France between 2001 and 2015 (!) while it sold 600.000 in the UK. After his death, TVBO sold only 20.000 in France, while it sold 160.000 in the UK.

Clearly, in France 4EVER could have had a shot, especially with the promotion campaign it had there.

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After his death, Prince sold 75 % of his sales in the Uk and US alone.

LauraRichardson... you seem to INSIST getting the last word even when you are wrong, making mistakes...

omg, how silly of you.... ok, I will be leaving this thread quickly..... - waiting for PR Deluxe with patience....


Its gonna be great I am sure....

thedance said:

LauraRichardson... you seem to INSIST getting the last word even when you are wrong, making mistakes...

By George, I think you've got it!!!

djThunderfunk said:

blacknote said:

thedance said: