But did the strib say their goal is just to verbatim publish his divorce records? I got the impression it was so their reporters could review them for pertinent info (to prince's death, estate, etc.), and their reporters can't access them if they're sealed.

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The catch-22 is, if there some fans want to know more about his death, it's going to take investigative journalists doing investigation, which means delving into various private documents, among other things. It will kind of necessitate journalists "invading his privacy," so to speak. I mean, if we're concerned about following Prince's wishes, we should all stop speculating about his death entirely, because he clearly didn't want us to know ANYTHING about whatever issues led to that.

laurarichardson said:

luxegolightly said:

We all know that the Star Tribune is looking for drug allegations, nothing more and nothing less. Some in the media seem hell bent on proving that Prince was an addict for years. No one can possibly care how much money Mani got in the divorce. I hope that this record is so dull that the paper looks stupid for spending time and money on the effort.

I think someone people are getting two issues confused. It is fine to make the docs public but another thing for a major american newspaper to want to publish the information.

Would the Star Tribune have published this back when he got a divorce 10 years ago? I doubt it this is just a means to run with some gossip they believed they would get from the file and nothing more. That is the thing that should bother people.

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Do you really think anyone at the Star gives a crap about Prince's death investigation outside of digging up dirt for a good story to get a few clicks? His death has all kinds of holes in it even the investigation taking as long as it has. No one in the media has questioned anything . I have not seen one article from anyone in the media that is in the least intersted in how he got those pills and who is responsible. The Star went and got a lawyer to partician the court to open the file and even thought in a few vile comments about "his dead and he does not have any privacy anymore " which was not even the reason M2 did not want it opened.

Just mean and asshole like behavior. Now of course according to the judge the file contains nothing so they look like idiots.

disch said:

But did the strib say their goal is just to verbatim publish his divorce records? I got the impression it was so their reporters could review them for pertinent info (to prince's death, estate, etc.), and their reporters can't access them if they're sealed.

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The catch-22 is, if there some fans want to know more about his death, it's going to take investigative journalists doing investigation, which means delving into various private documents, among other things. It will kind of necessitate journalists "invading his privacy," so to speak. I mean, if we're concerned about following Prince's wishes, we should all stop speculating about his death entirely, because he clearly didn't want us to know ANYTHING about whatever issues led to that.

laurarichardson said:

I think someone people are getting two issues confused. It is fine to make the docs public but another thing for a major american newspaper to want to publish the information.

Would the Star Tribune have published this back when he got a divorce 10 years ago? I doubt it this is just a means to run with some gossip they believed they would get from the file and nothing more. That is the thing that should bother people.

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Well we already know that Prince got stuck paying her $600,000 lawyers fee. I would guess she walked away with a big settlement from Prince. This was right after his Musicology "come back" tour which made over $50,000 million dollars.

She may feel the public will harass her because she drained Prince financially. I guess we shall see.

What are the main reasons for divorce? Adultry, Financial problems or Drugs, along with Irreconciable Differences. It's one of the above and most likely "Irreconciable Differences"

We shall see.

Minnesota is a no fault divorce state they do not have to list the reason they wanted a divorce and some portion of the divorce was handled by an arbitrator so that info will not be in the file at all.

I know Dr. Funk said that Prince stopped speaking to M2 and left her. He said he delivered messages to Prince from M2 because he would not speak to her anymore. If this is true something pissed him off enough for him to leave her flat and I think that is what she is afraid of coming out.

musicfan77 said:

Well we already know that Prince got stuck paying her $600,000 lawyers fee. I would guess she walked away with a big settlement from Prince. This was right after his Musicology "come back" tour which made over $50,000 million dollars.

She may feel the public will harass her because she drained Prince financially. I guess we shall see.

What are the main reasons for divorce? Adultry, Financial problems or Drugs, along with Irreconciable Differences. It's one of the above and most likely "Irreconciable Differences"

We shall see.

luxegolightly said:

We all know that the Star Tribune is looking for drug allegations, nothing more and nothing less. Some in the media seem hell bent on proving that Prince was an addict for years. No one can possibly care how much money Mani got in the divorce. I hope that this record is so dull that the paper looks stupid for spending time and money on the effort.

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Mani already told the Judge that the divorce papers have nothing to do with Prince's death. So, I take that as saying it wasn't about drugs or drug abuse.

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I don't see the ST doing this for any other reasons than financial. But, my main question is this "What is their motive"? Who is behind this??

babynoz said:

disch said:

It's possible Manuela was using the safety argument when her concern was really that the financial details in there would embarrass her in some way.

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Generally, I agree that any legal records that are public for "regular" people should also be public for celebrities. At the time of the divorce, the court allowed an exception to the law here (by allowing the documents to stay private) but that doesn't mean that the reasons for that exception should go on indefinitely.

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And it is a little funny to see some folks so upset by a 10-year-old divorce file being made public when I've read months of posts by some orgers who are incredulous that the full autopsy report -- a document that is both typically legally private as well as full of extremely intimate details -- isn't being revealed to all of us. C'est la vie...

Good points. The picking and choosing is what seemed funny to me as well.

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A divorce vs. death are two completely different things. Prince's death is still an active homicide investigation. It's very common for wealthy people to have their divorce records sealed for financial reasons.

disch said:

But did the strib say their goal is just to verbatim publish his divorce records? I got the impression it was so their reporters could review them for pertinent info (to prince's death, estate, etc.), and their reporters can't access them if they're sealed.

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The catch-22 is, if there some fans want to know more about his death, it's going to take investigative journalists doing investigation, which means delving into various private documents, among other things. It will kind of necessitate journalists "invading his privacy," so to speak. I mean, if we're concerned about following Prince's wishes, we should all stop speculating about his death entirely, because he clearly didn't want us to know ANYTHING about whatever issues led to that.

laurarichardson said:

I think someone people are getting two issues confused. It is fine to make the docs public but another thing for a major american newspaper to want to publish the information.

Would the Star Tribune have published this back when he got a divorce 10 years ago? I doubt it this is just a means to run with some gossip they believed they would get from the file and nothing more. That is the thing that should bother people.

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Seems like you are trying to stir-up an argument about Prince's death, am I right?

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A divorce and a death are two completely different things. When there is a suspicious death, such as Prince's, and this is still an ongoing investigation, the public has every right to know what happened.

laurarichardson said:

Do you really think anyone at the Star gives a crap about Prince's death investigation outside of digging up dirt for a good story to get a few clicks? His death has all kinds of holes in it even the investigation taking as long as it has. No one in the media has questioned anything . I have not seen one article from anyone in the media that is in the least intersted in how he got those pills and who is responsible. The Star went and got a lawyer to partician the court to open the file and even thought in a few vile comments about "his dead and he does not have any privacy anymore " which was not even the reason M2 did not want it opened.

Just mean and asshole like behavior. Now of course according to the judge the file contains nothing so they look like idiots.

disch said:

But did the strib say their goal is just to verbatim publish his divorce records? I got the impression it was so their reporters could review them for pertinent info (to prince's death, estate, etc.), and their reporters can't access them if they're sealed.

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The catch-22 is, if there some fans want to know more about his death, it's going to take investigative journalists doing investigation, which means delving into various private documents, among other things. It will kind of necessitate journalists "invading his privacy," so to speak. I mean, if we're concerned about following Prince's wishes, we should all stop speculating about his death entirely, because he clearly didn't want us to know ANYTHING about whatever issues led to that.

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The ST are a bunch of A-holes for doing this. They are just as bad as TMZ, imo.

musicfan77 said:

Well we already know that Prince got stuck paying her $600,000 lawyers fee. I would guess she walked away with a big settlement from Prince. This was right after his Musicology "come back" tour which made over $50,000 million dollars.

She may feel the public will harass her because she drained Prince financially. I guess we shall see.

What are the main reasons for divorce? Adultry, Financial problems or Drugs, along with Irreconciable Differences. It's one of the above and most likely "Irreconciable Differences"

We shall see.

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Bingo!! Prince paid her lawyer's fee, indeed!!

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I am certain that this is all about the financials/settlement she got. Personally, I know if I was married to Prince and we got divorced, I certainly would not want my divorce papers being known to the world....it's embarassing!! Also, keep in mind that Mayte didn't get what Mani got. As far as I know, Mayte did not get any type of settlement; they just made a clean break.

1Sasha said:

sonshine said:

1Sasha said:

If she got only $276K after five years, she either signed one of the worst pre-nups ever or had poor representation. She should have walked away with at least $10 or $20 million. Does anyone have an idea of what Mayte got, if anything?

http://pa.courts.state.mn...spx?ID=200 This is where I got the settlement info I mentioned in an earlier post. I've read that Mayte didn't get anything besides some personal belongings, and perhaps their home in Spain. But I have no idea if that info was from a reliable source at all.

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True, but I'm pretty sure that Prince sold the house in Spain. Mayte was staying there during the divorce, I think.

1Sasha said:

Ha i have no need to stir up an argument about Prince's death -- plenty of folks have been arguing that every which way on plenty of threads with no help from me.

No, I mention Prince's death because that's what prompted the Strib to request the docs be unsealed. They (and no on else) cared all that much when he was alive. They're seeking them to be unsealed because I imagine they think they might find info relevant to his death or to his estate.

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And I stand by my assessment that it's a little disingenuous to slam the Strib reporters for wanting to see documents that normally are public, while (some posters) have been chomping at the bit to see his full autopsy, a very intimate document that is normally sealed under Minn. law. Just an observation about some folks' ideas about what info should be should be private vs. what info should should be public, and when we should strive to "follow prince's wishes" and when we should not.

disch said:

But did the strib say their goal is just to verbatim publish his divorce records? I got the impression it was so their reporters could review them for pertinent info (to prince's death, estate, etc.), and their reporters can't access them if they're sealed.

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The catch-22 is, if there some fans want to know more about his death, it's going to take investigative journalists doing investigation, which means delving into various private documents, among other things. It will kind of necessitate journalists "invading his privacy," so to speak. I mean, if we're concerned about following Prince's wishes, we should all stop speculating about his death entirely, because he clearly didn't want us to know ANYTHING about whatever issues led to that.

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Seems like you are trying to stir-up an argument about Prince's death, am I right?

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A divorce and a death are two completely different things. When there is a suspicious death, such as Prince's, and this is still an ongoing investigation, the public has every right to know what happened.

I actually do think Strib reporters would love to break a blockbuster story on Prince's death, and if they had a story like that ready to go, would publish it in a hot minute. Because it would get clicks, sure (in fact, far more clicks than some 10-year-old legal file ever will) but also because they are journalists and reporting is what journalists do.

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I don't really share the contempt that some on here have for the reporting that the Strib has done so far around Prince's death. They've been the original reporters of some of the few pieces of info we have (such as on the allegations of counterfeit pills at Paisley), and are one of the few outlets regularly sending reporters to the estate court hearings, for example. To me, them asking the court to allow their reporters access to 10-year-old legal papers from Prince's divorce is not really some big gross invasion.

laurarichardson said:

Do you really think anyone at the Star gives a crap about Prince's death investigation outside of digging up dirt for a good story to get a few clicks? His death has all kinds of holes in it even the investigation taking as long as it has. No one in the media has questioned anything . I have not seen one article from anyone in the media that is in the least intersted in how he got those pills and who is responsible. The Star went and got a lawyer to partician the court to open the file and even thought in a few vile comments about "his dead and he does not have any privacy anymore " which was not even the reason M2 did not want it opened.

Just mean and asshole like behavior. Now of course according to the judge the file contains nothing so they look like idiots.

disch said:

But did the strib say their goal is just to verbatim publish his divorce records? I got the impression it was so their reporters could review them for pertinent info (to prince's death, estate, etc.), and their reporters can't access them if they're sealed.

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The catch-22 is, if there some fans want to know more about his death, it's going to take investigative journalists doing investigation, which means delving into various private documents, among other things. It will kind of necessitate journalists "invading his privacy," so to speak. I mean, if we're concerned about following Prince's wishes, we should all stop speculating about his death entirely, because he clearly didn't want us to know ANYTHING about whatever issues led to that.

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Oh my godness who the hell cares? They've been divorced for a decade now. These newspapers have got to stop

disch said:

disch said:

and will they do the same with Mayte as well? I don't understand why they needed to do this?

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

musicfan77 said:

Well we already know that Prince got stuck paying her $600,000 lawyers fee. I would guess she walked away with a big settlement from Prince. This was right after his Musicology "come back" tour which made over $50,000 million dollars.

She may feel the public will harass her because she drained Prince financially. I guess we shall see.

What are the main reasons for divorce? Adultry, Financial problems or Drugs, along with Irreconciable Differences. It's one of the above and most likely "Irreconciable Differences"

We shall see.

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Bingo!! Prince paid her lawyer's fee, indeed!!

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I am certain that this is all about the financials/settlement she got. Personally, I know if I was married to Prince and we got divorced, I certainly would not want my divorce papers being known to the world....it's embarassing!! Also, keep in mind that Mayte didn't get what Mani got. As far as I know, Mayte did not get any type of settlement; they just made a clean break.

looks like ms. testolini's friendship with CJ has backfired; now that the divorce recods are being unsealed i wonder how she feels about the Star Tribune now?

http://prince.org/msg/7/2...?&pg=2

Oh I know CJ's stuff. I also work in media (not related to Strib) and understand how newspapers work. Different sections and departments are not necessarily connected; CJ's columns don't really have anything to do with the reporters on the Prince beat. Nor does she really have anything to do with, say, the Strib staffers who won 2 pulitzer prizes in 2013. Nor does she have anything to do with, say, Jon Bream, their music reporter who has been covering Prince since the 1970s.

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If the Strib is disgusting and "doesn't care at all" about Prince's death, and if accessing his old divorce files is part of their plot to "profit off his death," what media outlets do you think have done respectable job reporting on Prince's death? Where do you turn for info on his death, estate, etc.? Most media outlets run ads against the stories they publish, so they're "profiting" off those stories (if you can consider the paltry money most journalistic outlets are now making "profit"). Sounds like you seek out media outlets not dependent on an ad-revenue model?

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laurarichardson said:

disch said:

I actually do think Strib reporters would love to break a blockbuster story on Prince's death, and if they had a story like that ready to go, would publish it in a hot minute. Because it would get clicks, sure (in fact, far more clicks than some 10-year-old legal file ever will) but also because they are journalists and reporting is what journalists do.

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I don't really share the contempt that some on here have for the reporting that the Strib has done so far around Prince's death. They've been the original reporters of some of the few pieces of info we have (such as on the allegations of counterfeit pills at Paisley), and are one of the few outlets regularly sending reporters to the estate court hearings, for example. To me, them asking the court to allow their reporters access to 10-year-old legal papers from Prince's divorce is not really some big gross invasion.

I do not want to see his full death report and the only reason the Triubine wants to see it is to make money they do not care about his death investigation at all. My guess is you have not been following CJ all these years and her bullshit and ignorant comments. After all the stuff he did for that city the idea of trying to profit off of his death in the most negative matter possible is disgusting they are no different then TMZ.

purpleemotions said:

Oh my godness who the hell cares? They've been divorced for a decade now. These newspapers have got to stop

".....Testolini asked that if the judge unsealed any documents, that he redact financial information and the names of spiritual counselors involved in the case, among other things......."

This surprises me: spiritual counselors for Prince?

XxAxX said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Bingo!! Prince paid her lawyer's fee, indeed!!

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I am certain that this is all about the financials/settlement she got. Personally, I know if I was married to Prince and we got divorced, I certainly would not want my divorce papers being known to the world....it's embarassing!! Also, keep in mind that Mayte didn't get what Mani got. As far as I know, Mayte did not get any type of settlement; they just made a clean break.

looks like ms. testolini's friendship with CJ has backfired; now that the divorce recods are being unsealed i wonder how she feels about the Star Tribune now?

http://prince.org/msg/7/2...?&pg=2

C.J.: Time to catch up with Mrs. Prince (Not sure if this belongs here or in AA so move it if needed. Thank you.) http://www.startribune.co...31156.html

Well she was stupid for talking to that cow in the first place.

I understand that all businesses have a corporate structure/chain of command. You realize that the Star obtained an attorney which means someone high up in the organization authorized payment for legal services. Someone high up in the organization spent money to obtain these docs and no one in business spends money without expecting to get a return.

No media outlets have done any in depth reporting on Prince’s death investigation. No one in the media is interested in why the case is still open after eight months. I think several have done a great job with tribute issues which are a means to generate revenue since I would bet good money he could not get his face on any of those magazines or newspapers prior to his death. The money that has been made off of those tribute issues is going in the pocket of the corporations or families that own the newspapers.

Right now I cannot seek accurate information from any news source do the proliferation of fake news stories making their way into real newspapers since greed and laziness has caused journalist not to take two minutes to fact check information before publishing. Watch what Denzel Washington said about fake news as he was a victim of it recently and his a former journalism major.

http://mashable.com/2016/...RrunLafiqK

"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read it, you're misinformed," Washington said in response to a question regarding a fake news story about the actor's political leanings before the election.

Washington then asked the reporter what the long-term affects of too much information would be before explaining that one of the problems is the "need to be first, not even to be true anymore." "So what a responsibility you all have to tell the truth—not just to be first, but to tell the truth," Washington told the reporter and other members of the press surrounding him.

"In our society, now it's just first. Who cares? Get it out there," he explained. "We don't care who it hurts. We don't care who we destroy. We don't care if it's true. Just say it and sell it," Washington lamented.

"Just say it, sell it. Anything you practice you'll get good at — including BS." You can watch Washington's full remarks below, beginning at the 17:50 mark.

disch said:

Oh I know CJ's stuff. I also work in media (not related to Strib) and understand how newspapers work. Different sections and departments are not necessarily connected; CJ's columns don't really have anything to do with the reporters on the Prince beat. Nor does she really have anything to do with, say, the Strib staffers who won 2 pulitzer prizes in 2013. Nor does she have anything to do with, say, Jon Bream, their music reporter who has been covering Prince since the 1970s.

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If the Strib is disgusting and "doesn't care at all" about Prince's death, and if accessing his old divorce files is part of their plot to "profit off his death," what media outlets do you think have done respectable job reporting on Prince's death? Where do you turn for info on his death, estate, etc.? Most media outlets run ads against the stories they publish, so they're "profiting" off those stories (if you can consider the paltry money most journalistic outlets are now making "profit"). Sounds like you seek out media outlets not dependent on an ad-revenue model?

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laurarichardson said:

disch said: I do not want to see his full death report and the only reason the Triubine wants to see it is to make money they do not care about his death investigation at all. My guess is you have not been following CJ all these years and her bullshit and ignorant comments. After all the stuff he did for that city the idea of trying to profit off of his death in the most negative matter possible is disgusting they are no different then TMZ.

Bassette said:

".....Testolini asked that if the judge unsealed any documents, that he redact financial information and the names of spiritual counselors involved in the case, among other things......."

This surprises me: spiritual counselors for Prince?

Could it be to legitimately protect the privacy of parties involved in either the mediation or the resolution of the marriage?

If it were Larry Graham, for example, it would only make his reputation more difficult among Prince fans.

luv4u said:

purpleemotions said:

Oh my godness who the hell cares? They've been divorced for a decade now. These newspapers have got to stop

They live on stories like these. No matter how much one tries to protect a favorite associated members, they will all be victim of retributions from fans and even ... get themselves caught in the mix.

disch said:

Ha i have no need to stir up an argument about Prince's death -- plenty of folks have been arguing that every which way on plenty of threads with no help from me.

No, I mention Prince's death because that's what prompted the Strib to request the docs be unsealed. They (and no on else) cared all that much when he was alive. They're seeking them to be unsealed because I imagine they think they might find info relevant to his death or to his estate.

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And I stand by my assessment that it's a little disingenuous to slam the Strib reporters for wanting to see documents that normally are public, while (some posters) have been chomping at the bit to see his full autopsy, a very intimate document that is normally sealed under Minn. law. Just an observation about some folks' ideas about what info should be should be private vs. what info should should be public, and when we should strive to "follow prince's wishes" and when we should not.

Thank you.

bigd74 said: