anangellooksdown said:

Wait. Are people really going to spend the day validating the legitimacy of Prince's fingers on a piece of Andy Allo's notepaper? Oh, yes. Let's inspect that freckle on the fingertip seen in Exhibit A. Susie, you google all pictures of Prince's fingertips from 1978 to 1983. Samantha, you cover PR and Lovesexy eras. Johnny, you take 1989 to pre-Manuela. Janie, you cover marriage #2 through Bria. Joe? Youve got the rest. And NO ONE is to eat, pray, move, live their lives - or gosh forbid, listen to any MUSIC until this is done. Got it?

I can't speak for the naysayers on this thread, angel, but if it's good enough for Prince Vault, it's good enough for me.

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BTW: That was smooth how you injected Mani into this discussion, basically mentioning her twice, yet making no mention of M1 or marriage #1. You're gooood, girl...and I got it. In fact, I've had you from very early on, my friend.

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Lastly, I really like your new signature line. I wonder, what made you ditch the old one??? Was it too revealing? Hmmm...

FlyOnTheWall said:

P's fingers are to me "hum hum" nicer looking than the ones on the picture. I'm thinking of Montreux 2009 where we often see his fingers which are just so well manicured and much nicer.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall, Happy Holidays. Go to town. 😀 https://s-media-cache-ak0...16535b.jpg For a better look...post #128 here: http://prince.org/msg/7/4...?&pg=5 Sorry, I'm not the best at posting pictures 🤔🤓 [Edited 12/26/16 9:58am]

Thanks for the photo. I love Prince with his afro.

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Here's an interesting older one that I found.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

Photo by Roberto Ugolini of PRN 2013. In the link to his photologue, the first four photos on the left are similar. Three of the photos do not have the mark.

http://www.robertougolini...93-2014-11

All I see are hairstyles. Afros like Andy. Little banana curls like Manuela.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Thanks for the photo. I love Prince with his afro.

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Here's an interesting older one that I found.

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You're welcome. Did you take a close look at the photo I linked?

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amimissinsumthin said:

This is a dismissive response to a serious question. What evidence or facts can you present that led you to deductively think that something from Mr/Dr PRN prompted her message back to him? We are in pursuit of the truth wrt the man here, not falsities. I appreciate this revisionist hagiographic thread dedicated to associate Ms AA though.

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co-sign. amimissinsumthin, i wish u luck on this thread. severall of us have tried to bring reason to the maddness. i still don't why this has been allowed to continue. nice to see new blood here, though. happy holidays.

Hello wavesofbliss. Thank you for the warm welcome. I wish you happy holidays too.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Thanks for the photo. I love Prince with his afro.

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You're welcome. Did you take a close look at the photo I linked?

No, initially, I did not look very closely, anangellooksdown, but upon closer inspection of the larger image, it looks like Prince has a Sharpie heart on his left ring finger? Is that what I missed earlier? Was this taken at Montreux 2013?

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FlyOnTheWall said:

purplegirl00 said:

You're too funny trying to turn this on me when I'm NOT the one creating a fairytale out of pictures and cutsie/ childish social media posts that were meant to PUNK us.

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You've been called out by a few posters already so it's evident whatever you're trying to sell, not many are buying but I'll leave you to it. BYE..

I'm not selling anything. I am merely trying to curate the major events and collaborations of Prince's final five years. As fate would have it, Andy Allo is at the center of that historic period of his life and career. That is undeniable.

Now the operative word here is 'curate'? What a deft shift in your modus since a previous poster first used this word. What I have garnered from perusing the previous pages of this thread is that there is no research - just rehash of photos ad nauseam and subjective revising of a standard collaboration. Does the state of Ms AA's post-collaboration career warrant this much cut-and-paste PR on the org? Furthermore, to say that "Andy Allo is at the center of that historic period of his life and career" is hyperbolic. I say that Mr/Dr PRN took her under his wing as any master-expert would of any neophyte. Lastly, for you to exalt Ms AA to the center of Mr/Dr PRN's creative universe not only discounts and negates God (the source of his creativity), but also the bands, artists, associates, proteges, and humanitarians whom he graciously touched and nurtured during the last four to five years of his life - on his own - as himself. There are plenty of evidence and verifiable facts to prove this. Truth is the light. Come into it.

FlyOnTheWall said:

amimissinsumthin said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I'm not selling anything. I am merely trying to curate the major events and collaborations of Prince's final five years. As fate would have it, Andy Allo is at the center of that historic period of his life and career. That is undeniable.

Now the operative word here is 'curate'? What a deft shift in your modus since a previous poster first used this word. What I have garnered from perusing the previous pages of this thread is that there is no research - just rehash of photos ad nauseam and subjective revising of a standard collaboration. Does the state of Ms AA's post-collaboration career warrant this much cut-and-paste PR on the org? Furthermore, to say that "Andy Allo is at the center of that historic period of his life and career" is hyperbolic. I say that Mr/Dr PRN took her under his wing as any master-expert would of any neophyte. Lastly, for you to exalt Ms AA to the center of Mr/Dr PRN's creative universe not only discounts and negates God (the source of his creativity), but also the bands, artists, associates, proteges, and humanitarians whom he graciously touched and nurtured during the last four to five years of his life - on his own - as himself. There are plenty of evidence and verifiable facts to prove this. Truth is the light. Come into it.

Wow, amimissinsumthin. The word "curate," operative or otherwise, simply means to collect. And, as bibrose astutely pointed out, that's exactly what I am doing. [S]he encouraged me to remain tenacious in documenting Prince's final years, and I intend to do just that, in spite of disparaging comments like yours.

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With regard to Prince's creative output during his final five years, and Andy Allo's role in it, there are FIVE albums to unpack: Superconductor (2012), Art Official Age (2014), Hitnrun Phase One (2015), and Hitnrun Phase Two (2015). There is also the very rare acoustic album, Oui Can Luv (2015). For most reasonable, objective persons, that makes AA a central figure during this era.

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And, that's not to say that he didn't work with other associates/proteges/artists during this time, most notably Judith Hill, 3rd Eye Girl, MonoNeon, Adrian Crutchfield, Nik West, Eryn Allen Kane and several others artists that he mentored during his final years, like Kandace Springs.

amimissinsumthin said:

Photo by Roberto Ugolini of PRN 2013. In the link to his photologue, the first four photos on the left are similar. Three of the photos do not have the mark.

http://www.robertougolini...93-2014-11

Okay, so three of the photos do not have the "Sharpie heart" mark. What should we make of that, amimissinsumthin? Am I missing something???

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BTW: Thanks for the photographer's link. As I suspected that photo of Prince wearing a Sharpie heart on his ring finger was taken during the 2013 Montreux Jazz Festival, when he, very emotionally, sang "Breakdown," on which Andy Allo sang background vocals for the studio version. By the end of the song, he was visibly wiping tears from his eyes.

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anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

No, initially, I did not look very closely, anangellooksdown, but upon closer inspection of the larger image, it looks like Prince has a Sharpie heart on his left ring finger? Is that what I missed earlier? Was this taken at Montreux 2013?

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FOTW, I initially thought the same thing because of his outfit - and it is a later photo, I think. But it doesn't appear he he had a heart on his finger during Montreux 2013. Unless I missed something, I suppose this could've been during a different show. I have always felt he and Andy were "back and forth". His lyrics at the Piano & A Microphone Show tell me that (and more), and I felt that during Montreux he was vulnerable and they were not together. I also see that in some lyrics he added there during Old Friends 4 Sale. Granted, he might've been talking about someone else, or just "no one"...he was a master at these things and it's hard to tell with him. Each time I think I've got a story, someone who knows him gives an interview which shoots down everything I think. That is why the best way to know anything is through spiritual inspiration, and that is a whole other thing in of itself. There's so much there about this sensitive, caring man who loved mentoring these women. [Edited 12/26/16 11:18am]

Thanks, angel. Actually, thanks to amimissinsumthin providing a link to the photographer's page, we can see that this is, indeed, at the Montreux Jazz Festival 2013. It is one of four images posted and it is the only one with the Sharpie Heart.

Here's that link.

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http://www.robertougolini.it/en/stars-in-my-eyes/prince/#393-prince/794-2014-12

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Lastly, I do believe that Andy's absence weighed heavily on Prince during his performances after she left. He was often very, very emotional...and sometimes visibly angry.

rosylo said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Here's another Sharpie Heart image from Roberto Ugolini (2011).

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anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay, so three of the photos do not have the "Sharpie heart" mark. What should we make of that, amimissinsumthin? Am I missing something???

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BTW: Thanks for the photographer's link. As I suspected that photo of Prince wearing a Sharpie heart on his ring finger was taken during the 2013 Montreux Jazz Festival, when he, very emotionally, sang "Breakdown," on which Andy All sang background vocals for the studio version. By the end of the song, he was visibly wiping tears from his eyes.

Nope. I don't think so. The Breakdown was sung on night 3 (July 15, 2013), and I just looked at footage from that show. Very close up during that song there was no mark on his finger. I also believe the emotion on that song was a bit "stages", if you will (sorry, Prince), although others disagree with me. Maybe the song meant so much to him that he felt it deserved more emotion than he could give that night; I don't know.

It might not have been during "Breakdown," but the image does appear to be on that night. Did you look at Roberto Ougolini's photologue? It is the second of four images, which I would guess are in the order taken.

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And, the heart didn't have to be there for an entire show. Perhaps he wiped it off, after having thought better of wearing his heart on his sleeve in such a way, or on his finger, as it were. That would not be unlike when he was known to tweet, only to almost immediately delete it.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Here's another Sharpie Heart image from Roberto Ugolini (2011).

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And another...

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I don't agree with you about hte "Breakdown" but I see your point here about being a mentor. I think he wanted companionship. I don't see him as as a svengali. He seemed like he was just lonely and had a tough time relating to people unless music was involved. Hell, maybe he was a bit insecure and felt he had to offer some career advancement in order to bond with women. But it is not like he screwed every protege or woman who worked for him. And even the ones he stopped having intimate relations with or were uninterested in him were still encouraged career-wise. He didn't sabotage careers of these women as far as I could tell. As for people like Andy Allo, Lala Escarzega, and Judith Hill...I can see a man falling for these women--they are beautiful and talented. Lala's facebook and twitter are funny, smart and insightful. Andy and Judith are geniunely talented. Maybe he loved them all in his own way but was unable sustain a committed relationship due to the nature of his career. Also, if he was hidding a pain pill addiction, it might be that he was keeping these relationships in check. Too long with one woman they are going to figure out what is going on. Plus,their own ambitions are inevitably going to pose a problem. They can't just follow him around everywhere. They are going to fill unsatisfied doing that. Maybe, he thought it is going to be good while it lasts. Not many people could live Prince's life. Hell, apparently, he barely could.. It is not sustainable. you have to take a break for non-music time. He apparently was still in need of studio rehab (along with regular rehab.). But I do think he liked Andy a great deal and his crush continued...thus while he was reaching out to her later. I just don't think she was his only lady for the last five years. I do think he was probably loyal to Manuela most of the time during their marriage.. In a way, Manuela's job was perfect for Prince's way of life. But I imagine she didn't see him much when he was constantly touring. Do you know what occupation would have been perfect for a prince wife--a writer. A writer can write anywhere--in a tour plane or bus, back stage. etc etc or maybe a not-so-ambitious background singer. Any musician working with him knew he shifted focus. A girlfriend would probably have to relate to P through shared musical endeavors and then be able to place their ambitions aside to be with him when he shifted his focus to other musical endeavors. These women would have to have a part-time interest in music but a full time interest in him. And he probably knew that was the case (and impossible to obtain) so stopped bothering to look for any long-term relationships. If music is what validates you as a human being, it would be remarkably hard to give it up for anyone no matter how much you loved them.

anangellooksdown said:

Now THAT is cool. I think the main thing I want to say is that there are different kinds of love - beyond what most of us can even fathom right now. Prince wanted for these women's happiness and security. Most of us can't even understand what it's like to have real protégés. All the feelings that go along with it. Even as he lived his life, he didn't forget these people. He sent Vanity flowers for up to 5 years after she left and wrote her letters basically up until her death. He offered to pay huge personal legal fees for Kim Basinger some years after they split. He continued to speak highly of these women and want for their success. He was human, but truly different in heart, mind and body. I can't even fully understand it myself yet. It's beyond the physical realm. [Edited 12/26/16 12:59pm]

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purplerabbithole said:

I don't agree with you about hte "Breakdown" but I see your point here about being a mentor. I think he wanted companionship. I don't see him as as a svengali. He seemed like he was just lonely and had a tough time relating to people unless music was involved. Hell, maybe he was a bit insecure and felt he had to offer some career advancement in order to bond with women. But it is not like he screwed every protege or woman who worked for him. And even the ones he stopped having intimate relations with or were uninterested in him were still encouraged career-wise. He didn't sabotage careers of these women as far as I could tell. As for people like Andy Allo, Lala Escarzega, and Judith Hill...I can see a man falling for these women--they are beautiful and talented. Lala's facebook and twitter are funny, smart and insightful. Andy and Judith are geniunely talented. Maybe he loved them all in his own way but was unable sustain a committed relationship due to the nature of his career. Also, if he was hidding a pain pill addiction, it might be that he was keeping these relationships in check. Too long with one woman they are going to figure out what is going on. Plus,their own ambitions are inevitably going to pose a problem. They can't just follow him around everywhere. They are going to fill unsatisfied doing that. Maybe, he thought it is going to be good while it lasts. Not many people could live Prince's life. Hell, apparently, he barely could.. It is not sustainable. you have to take a break for non-music time. He apparently was still in need of studio rehab (along with regular rehab.). But I do think he liked Andy a great deal and his crush continued...thus while he was reaching out to her later. I just don't think she was his only lady for the last five years. I do think he was probably loyal to Manuela most of the time during their marriage.. In a way, Manuela's job was perfect for Prince's way of life. But I imagine she didn't see him much when he was constantly touring. Do you know what occupation would have been perfect for a prince wife--a writer. A writer can write anywhere--in a tour plane or bus, back stage. etc etc or maybe a not-so-ambitious background singer. Any musician working with him knew he shifted focus. A girlfriend would probably have to relate to P through shared musical endeavors and then be able to place their ambitions aside to be with him when he shifted his focus to other musical endeavors. These women would have to have a part-time interest in music but a full time interest in him. And he probably knew that was the case (and impossible to obtain) so stopped bothering to look for any long-term relationships. If music is what validates you as a human being, it would be remarkably hard to give it up for anyone no matter how much you loved them.

anangellooksdown said:

Now THAT is cool. I think the main thing I want to say is that there are different kinds of love - beyond what most of us can even fathom right now. Prince wanted for these women's happiness and security. Most of us can't even understand what it's like to have real protégés. All the feelings that go along with it. Even as he lived his life, he didn't forget these people. He sent Vanity flowers for up to 5 years after she left and wrote her letters basically up until her death. He offered to pay huge personal legal fees for Kim Basinger some years after they split. He continued to speak highly of these women and want for their success. He was human, but truly different in heart, mind and body. I can't even fully understand it myself yet. It's beyond the physical realm. [Edited 12/26/16 12:59pm]

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Very interesting points, purplerabbithole!! I totally agree that a writer's ability to work anywhere and anytime would have been well-suited to mesh with Prince's career and lifestyle.

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In terms of his intimate relations, none of us can know with absolute certainty what was going on with P. All we can do is read the tea leaves and examine clues that he left behind.

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That said, based on my reading of the tea leaves and examination of numerous clues, I have concluded that he and Andy Allo shared what she, herself, called "a great love." That was a very profound statement from her. Now, did he have other lovers during their time together? Perhaps he did have what he referred to as "candy girl[s]" in his last known song, "Stay Cool." Andy, however, was the one. The last one.

2004Fan said:

P's fingers are to me "hum hum" nicer looking than the ones on the picture. I'm thinking of Montreux 2009 where we often see his fingers which are just so well manicured and much nicer.

I cannot argue with your point, 2004Fan. P's hands were among the most beautiful hands I've ever seen on a man. They were swoon-worthy!!!

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Nope. I don't think so. The Breakdown was sung on night 3 (July 15, 2013), and I just looked at footage from that show. Very close up during that song there was no mark on his finger. I also believe the emotion on that song was a bit "stages", if you will (sorry, Prince), although others disagree with me. Maybe the song meant so much to him that he felt it deserved more emotion than he could give that night; I don't know.

It might not have been during "Breakdown," but the image does appear to be on that night. Did you look at Roberto Ougolini's photologue? It is the second of four images, which I would guess are in the order taken.

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And, the heart didn't have to be there for an entire show. Perhaps he wiped it off, after having thought better of wearing his heart on his sleeve in such a way, or on his finger, as it were. That would not be unlike when he was known to tweet, only to almost immediately delete it.

the heart didn't have to be there at all but been photoshopped later by a photographer who liked things like that ... years later ppl create stories of love, engagements and heartbreak around it ...

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Been reading the posts and because of that I discovered Lala some of you r talking about.... Never heard of her before. Where does she come from?? Her posts on Instagram suggest quite a lot.... And what about Judith Hill and her posts on FB after his passing... I think he still loved quite lot of women at the same time.... Just my thoughts on the subject.

lemoncrush19 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

It might not have been during "Breakdown," but the image does appear to be on that night. Did you look at Roberto Ougolini's photologue? It is the second of four images, which I would guess are in the order taken.

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And, the heart didn't have to be there for an entire show. Perhaps he wiped it off, after having thought better of wearing his heart on his sleeve in such a way, or on his finger, as it were. That would not be unlike when he was known to tweet, only to almost immediately delete it.

the heart didn't have to be there at all but been photoshopped later by a photographer who liked things like that ... years later ppl create stories of love, engagements and heartbreak around it ...

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I guess anything is possible, lemoncrush19. I try not to think the worst about people, though. Are you suggesting that some or all of photos on this thread with the Sharpie hearts on Prince's ring finger are photoshopped?

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

Now THAT is cool. I think the main thing I want to say is that there are different kinds of love - beyond what most of us can even fathom right now. Prince wanted for these women's happiness and security. Most of us can't even understand what it's like to have real protégés. All the feelings that go along with it. Even as he lived his life, he didn't forget these people. He sent Vanity flowers for up to 5 years after she left and wrote her letters basically up until her death. He offered to pay huge personal legal fees for Kim Basinger some years after they split. He continued to speak highly of these women and want for their success. He was human, but truly different in heart, mind and body. I can't even fully understand it myself yet. It's beyond the physical realm. [Edited 12/26/16 12:59pm]

Yes, angel, from all that I have read and seen, Prince was a sweetheart of epic proportions. That probably explains how he was able to have so many women knowingly share him. Jill Jones has gone on record saying that he "spoiled her rotten" and treated her "like a Princess."

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And, watching him serenade and play with Andy on stage during the North Sea Jazz Fesitval in 2011 had me melting, so I can only imagine how she felt having this beautiful man at her feet, on the world stage, no less. You could just feel the undeniable love between them...and there was no doubt, at least not in my mind, what kind of love they shared.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

I guess anything is possible, lemoncrush19. I try not to think the worst about people, though. Are you suggesting that some or all of photos on this thread with the Sharpie hearts on Prince's ring finger are photoshopped?

oh I always expect the best of ppl and there is nothing wrong with photoshopping pictures in general. yes I think all of those hearts are photoshopped. it seems 2 be his personal style (talking about the photographer of course not prince): black n white pics with blue or red guitars, golden earcuffs, colored cuff links and ... black and red painted hearts on his finger. maybe u want 2 look at those pics in detail ... u will find those hearts not reflecting light and dephts of the pictures ...

I agree that the photographer uses color on black and white or sepia photos for effect. But he doesn't add the actual guitars, ear cuffs, or cuff links, just the color. I would tend to agree that he probably added the red to the hearts on Prince's ring finger in the two photos from 2011.

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But I want to be clear: Are you suggesting that the photographer--who, from all that we know, is a reputable artist--just flat-out photoshopped the hearts themselves onto Prince's finger? If so, do you have anything to substantiate that very serious claim?

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