honer said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Before adding yet more noise to this thread, READ THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/...lar_music)

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And also https://tuneteams.com/blo...planation/

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And also http://www.digitalmusicne...ublishing/

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And also http://www.soundonsound.c...publishing

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7 replys/moans are you sure you've gone over this closely enough? Surely you can squeeze in an 8th.

[Edited 11/3/16 6:37am]

Bart is legitimate in his rant. If all the people who have no clue about what they're saying would either stop talking nonsense altogether, or make the effort of getting some valid info about a topic before addressing it, we'd have a lot of nonsense removed from this board. I for one find it irritating to have to go through mountains of absurdities in order to be able to access interesting info/opinions by those among us who have a clue.

Noodled24 said:

margi said:

1Sasha said:

CAL3 said:

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We may never know what is really going on...

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THIS admission from a person who stated whatever is "in darkness eventually comes into the light"...

Isn't that the truth? We are browbeating each other over information none of us is privy to. I have to say I hope ... I HOPE ... Prince is not merchandised within an inch of his life over the coming years. I saw a Michael Jackson shower curtain on line this morning. Please let us not see Prince on bathroom accessories down the road.

rogifan said:

BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Couple of interesting notes:

When Time Warner was splitting itself back up from Time Warner Music, Prince was with UMG for 3121.

UMG eventually bought EMI, which Prince used to release Emancipation in 1996.

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You are confusing publishing companies and record companies.

I know the difference Bart. I'm noting his involvement with different entities in the past. Don't split hairs with me.

databank said:

honer said:

7 replys/moans are you sure you've gone over this closely enough? Surely you can squeeze in an 8th.

[Edited 11/3/16 6:37am]

Bart is legitimate in his rant. If all the people who have no clue about what they're saying would either stop talking nonsense altogether, or make the effort of getting some valid info about a topic before addressing it, we'd have a lot of nonsense removed from this board. I for one find it irritating to have to go through mountains of absurdities in order to be able to access interesting info/opinions by those among us who have a clue.

rogifan said:

margi said: How do other artists survive then? As far as I'm aware Led Zeppelin don't tour regularly yet they finally relented and their music is available on subscription streaming sites. Beatles are too. Prince is one of the few holdouts.

Led Zepplin was around in longer then Prince back in the good old days. I am sure they invested their money well and her living off of investments. I doubt their royalties are bring in much these days. Google artist are complaining and some have had their stuff pulled off of streaming sites or complained to the record company about the lousy deals they set up with the streaming companies.

It is really the fault of the music industry.

BanishedBrian said:

databank said:

Bart is legitimate in his rant. If all the people who have no clue about what they're saying would either stop talking nonsense altogether, or make the effort of getting some valid info about a topic before addressing it, we'd have a lot of nonsense removed from this board. I for one find it irritating to have to go through mountains of absurdities in order to be able to access interesting info/opinions by those among us who have a clue.

Everybody is not well versed in entertainment law and it is does not help that Universal made the comment about bring his music to the world. Whatever that is suppose to mean.

laurarichardson said:

BanishedBrian said:

Everybody is not well versed in entertainment law and it is does not help that Universal made the comment about bring his music to the world. Whatever that is suppose to mean.

In the age of Google and Wikipedia, this is no excuse for talking utter nonsense. I myself am not that well versed into those things, it is not 100% clear to me what the difference is between what Controversy Music/NPG Publishing, Warner Chappel Music/Universal Music Publishing Group and ASCAP/BMI do exactly for example, but I understand the basic difference between publishing and what a label does, it's really part of the basics if you're even remotely interested in music. It's like those people creating IDK, threads to ask what album was Lady Cab Driver on, they can just google the song title and find the answer in 2 clicks.

Now like I said on another thread earlier today, I believe there is something about this board that can get on people's nerves: only here am I facing utter ignorance and/or people with major psychological issues on a daily basis: IRL and on social networks I manage to stay away from those people most of the time. So my bad for snapping sometimes, but hell I wish there was some selection regarding who can and can't post on this board.

Polo1026 said:

Noodled24 said:

So does this mean NPGPublishing no longer exists?

no

OK...well can you (or anyone else) elaborate on this?

The LLC thread mentions two entities Prince set up. NPG-Music & NPG-Music Publishing.

From what I understand NPG-Music owns the copyright to Prince's songs. Nothing seems to have changed here. So lets move on.

If Universal Music Publishing is now handling the Prince catalog then what reason is there for NPG Music Publishing to exist?... it no longer has anything to publish/administer/account?

databank said:

laurarichardson said:

Everybody is not well versed in entertainment law and it is does not help that Universal made the comment about bring his music to the world. Whatever that is suppose to mean.

In the age of Google and Wikipedia, this is no excuse for talking utter nonsense. I myself am not that well versed into those things, it is not 100% clear to me what the difference is between what Controversy Music/NPG Publishing, Warner Chappel Music/Universal Music Publishing Group and ASCAP/BMI do exactly for example, but I understand the basic difference between publishing and what a label does, it's really part of the basics if you're even remotely interested in music. It's like those people creating IDK, threads to ask what album was Lady Cab Driver on, they can just google the song title and find the answer in 2 clicks.

Now like I said on another thread earlier today, I believe there is something about this board that can get on people's nerves: only here am I facing utter ignorance and/or people with major psychological issues on a daily basis: IRL and on social networks I manage to stay away from those people most of the time. So my bad for snapping sometimes, but hell I wish there was some selection regarding who can and can't post on this board.

And there it is…more divisive nonsense from someone whom cannot cope with seeing/hearing opinions that rival your own. You’ve assisted in derailing threads, psycho-babble, and calling other members idiots all while implying that something is wrong with people that take a strong position opposite of your own.

To make it clear, YOU are a major part of the problem here. YOU are contributing to the vitriol and indifference here on the Org. And you want the mods to censor people who come here to share their opinions about Prince when many of them never attacked you personally? That’s some seriously demented, self-centered thinking.

Data, maybe the mods should temporarily de-activate your account until you seek psychiatric help. I wouldn’t be happy to see you leave; however, the Org just might be a better place for it.

Noodled24 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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No, making shit hard to get is inviting piracy. Or people just won't care.

Releasing anything is inviting piracy.

What does the estate have to gain by putting Prince's catalog on Spotify? A fan would need to listen to a song hundreds of times before the estate got $1

They'd need a MILLION streams to make about $5,000.

If they sold 5,000 albums at £10 a pop = $50,000

You are both correct.

blacknote said:

databank said:

In the age of Google and Wikipedia, this is no excuse for talking utter nonsense. I myself am not that well versed into those things, it is not 100% clear to me what the difference is between what Controversy Music/NPG Publishing, Warner Chappel Music/Universal Music Publishing Group and ASCAP/BMI do exactly for example, but I understand the basic difference between publishing and what a label does, it's really part of the basics if you're even remotely interested in music. It's like those people creating IDK, threads to ask what album was Lady Cab Driver on, they can just google the song title and find the answer in 2 clicks.

Now like I said on another thread earlier today, I believe there is something about this board that can get on people's nerves: only here am I facing utter ignorance and/or people with major psychological issues on a daily basis: IRL and on social networks I manage to stay away from those people most of the time. So my bad for snapping sometimes, but hell I wish there was some selection regarding who can and can't post on this board.

And there it is…more divisive nonsense from someone whom cannot cope with seeing/hearing opinions that rival your own. You’ve assisted in derailing threads, psycho-babble, and calling other members idiots all while implying that something is wrong with people that take a strong position opposite of your own.

To make it clear, YOU are a major part of the problem here. YOU are contributing to the vitriol and indifference here on the Org. And you want the mods to censor people who come here to share their opinions about Prince when many of them never attacked you personally? That’s some seriously demented, self-centered thinking.

Data, maybe the mods should temporarily de-activate your account until you seek psychiatric help. I wouldn’t be happy to see you leave; however, the Org just might be a better place for it.

i have never had a personal beef with 'databank', and he has provided me with invaluable information/resources...i also respect his knowledge and intellect...but i couldnt agree with you more...i think he means well, but often comes of as an elitist, and he can extrememely condescending when critiquing other peoples comments... since i respect his opinions and info regarding Prince, it causes me some cringe-worthy moments when i see him get after people, when he doesnt find their comments up to his personal intellectual standards..

just two shiny pennies... no beef intended...

BartVanHemelen said:

jaawwnn said:

I don't know if one major is much different than another at this point, although anecdotally i'd say Universal tend to do good reissues compared to, say, Sony.

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THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

what's that? Speak up sonny.

rosylo said:

http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=0

[Edited 11/2/16 23:34pm]

ah cool, that explains it. Thanks rosylo.

"The arrangement is an administration deal, meaning Prince’s estate retains ownership of the songs. It also does not cover Prince’s recorded music rights, which are the subject of aggressive bidding on their own. "

Sorry if anyone confused my rambling thinking out loud post with the idea that I think I know anything about this. I certainly do not.

[Edited 11/3/16 17:09pm]

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

blacknote said:

databank said:

In the age of Google and Wikipedia, this is no excuse for talking utter nonsense. I myself am not that well versed into those things, it is not 100% clear to me what the difference is between what Controversy Music/NPG Publishing, Warner Chappel Music/Universal Music Publishing Group and ASCAP/BMI do exactly for example, but I understand the basic difference between publishing and what a label does, it's really part of the basics if you're even remotely interested in music. It's like those people creating IDK, threads to ask what album was Lady Cab Driver on, they can just google the song title and find the answer in 2 clicks.

Now like I said on another thread earlier today, I believe there is something about this board that can get on people's nerves: only here am I facing utter ignorance and/or people with major psychological issues on a daily basis: IRL and on social networks I manage to stay away from those people most of the time. So my bad for snapping sometimes, but hell I wish there was some selection regarding who can and can't post on this board.

And there it is…more divisive nonsense from someone whom cannot cope with seeing/hearing opinions that rival your own. You’ve assisted in derailing threads, psycho-babble, and calling other members idiots all while implying that something is wrong with people that take a strong position opposite of your own.

To make it clear, YOU are a major part of the problem here. YOU are contributing to the vitriol and indifference here on the Org. And you want the mods to censor people who come here to share their opinions about Prince when many of them never attacked you personally? That’s some seriously demented, self-centered thinking.

Data, maybe the mods should temporarily de-activate your account until you seek psychiatric help. I wouldn’t be happy to see you leave; however, the Org just might be a better place for it.

I will certainly not reply to you bait and start a feud with you. I'l just state one thing: isn't it funny how everytime one invokes reason they're always being accused of not tolerating others' "opinions"?

Idiocy isn't an "opinion".

Trolling isn't an "opinion".

Insanity isn't an "opinion".

And if everything is an opinion and all opinions are equally valid, then it is MY opinion that this board should be selective when it comes to membership, and if it is my God-given right to express any opinion whatsoever, then you cannot ask for my being banned: your own logic defeats you.

However it is your prerogative to ask the mods for my account being deactivated, and I would acknowledge their decision if they felt so inclined.

In that case I was merely supporting Bart anyway, I didn't start derailing anything, other people did when they attacked him because he was replying to the thread (with his usual bad manners, OK, but nevertheless his replies were on topic).

Anyone who knows me IRL can attest that my mental health is fine, thank you.

[Edited 11/3/16 19:22pm]

RJOrion said:

blacknote said:

And there it is…more divisive nonsense from someone whom cannot cope with seeing/hearing opinions that rival your own. You’ve assisted in derailing threads, psycho-babble, and calling other members idiots all while implying that something is wrong with people that take a strong position opposite of your own.

To make it clear, YOU are a major part of the problem here. YOU are contributing to the vitriol and indifference here on the Org. And you want the mods to censor people who come here to share their opinions about Prince when many of them never attacked you personally? That’s some seriously demented, self-centered thinking.

Data, maybe the mods should temporarily de-activate your account until you seek psychiatric help. I wouldn’t be happy to see you leave; however, the Org just might be a better place for it.

i have never had a personal beef with 'databank', and he has provided me with invaluable information/resources...i also respect his knowledge and intellect...but i couldnt agree with you more...i think he means well, but often comes of as an elitist, and he can extrememely condescending when critiquing other peoples comments... since i respect his opinions and info regarding Prince, it causes me some cringe-worthy moments when i see him get after people, when he doesnt find their comments up to his personal intellectual standards..

just two shiny pennies... no beef intended...

I just apologized above for my sometimes going after people, and I explained why this happens occasionally here (and only here). I'm sorry for upsetting you when I do, I do not believe you ever upsetted me with nonsense and I do not wish to upset you. Believe me I'm trying not to be like that but one has to cope with the things going on here here. I'll try and do better. No promises.

I take full responsibility for being an elitist. An elistist I am. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I'd personally feel a bit miffed if I didnt get bart shouting all caps at me now and then. Makes me feel at home here.

jaawwnn said:

I'd personally feel a bit miffed if I didnt get bart shouting all caps at me now and then. Makes me feel at home here.

*databank says*

"An elistist I am. I don't see anything wrong with that."

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IMO nothing wrong with that, at all...thats why you're cool with me...

but i can see how others would take offense...but dont change...do you...you're input is valuable...

RJOrion said:

*databank says*

"An elistist I am. I don't see anything wrong with that."

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IMO nothing wrong with that, at all...thats why you're cool with me...

but i can see how others would take offense...but dont change...do you...you're input is valuable...

Thanks

I do not enjoy hurting people's feelings, I just try to fight for my values.

Show your love for the Airline Safety Duck

AlgeriaTouchshreek said:

Show your love for the Airline Safety Duck

AlgeriaTouchshreek said:

Show your love for the Airline Safety Duck

I've always believed the safety things in airplanes should indeed look like ducks, those people from airlines have zero sense of humor. Pity

databank said:

AlgeriaTouchshreek said:

Show your love for the Airline Safety Duck

I've always believed the safety things in airplanes should indeed look like ducks, those people from airlines have zero sense of humor. Pity

My favourite duck, or was it a mallard i can't tell, was the one that reassured me that "chemtrails" were literally a conceptual cover-up designed to gloss over the fact that upper atmosphere condensation is responsible for compressing the upper and lower limits of atmospheric pressures responsible for the blandishments of pretty much everything on Earth:

AlgeriaTouchshreek said:

databank said:

I've always believed the safety things in airplanes should indeed look like ducks, those people from airlines have zero sense of humor. Pity

My favourite duck, or was it a mallard i can't tell, was the one that reassured me that "chemtrails" were literally a conceptual cover-up designed to gloss over the fact that upper atmosphere condensation is responsible for compressing the upper and lower limits of atmospheric pressures responsible for the blandishments of pretty much everything on Earth:

cuz, like, if everybody stopped flying everywhere, not only would we have more intense summers, we'd also have more intense winters, then sea levels could go back to where they came! ("in the sea")

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And Superman could reverse time, and everybody would not die

Oh bollocks, I just forgot Moonbeam Levels was supposed to be Christmas number one,

databank said:

blacknote said:

And there it is…more divisive nonsense from someone whom cannot cope with seeing/hearing opinions that rival your own. You’ve assisted in derailing threads, psycho-babble, and calling other members idiots all while implying that something is wrong with people that take a strong position opposite of your own.

To make it clear, YOU are a major part of the problem here. YOU are contributing to the vitriol and indifference here on the Org. And you want the mods to censor people who come here to share their opinions about Prince when many of them never attacked you personally? That’s some seriously demented, self-centered thinking.

Data, maybe the mods should temporarily de-activate your account until you seek psychiatric help. I wouldn’t be happy to see you leave; however, the Org just might be a better place for it.

I will certainly not reply to you bait and start a feud with you. I'l just state one thing: isn't it funny how everytime one invokes reason they're always being accused of not tolerating others' "opinions"?

Idiocy isn't an "opinion".

Trolling isn't an "opinion".

Insanity isn't an "opinion".

And if everything is an opinion and all opinions are equally valid, then it is MY opinion that this board should be selective when it comes to membership, and if it is my God-given right to express any opinion whatsoever, then you cannot ask for my being banned: your own logic defeats you.

However it is your prerogative to ask the mods for my account being deactivated, and I would acknowledge their decision if they felt so inclined.

In that case I was merely supporting Bart anyway, I didn't start derailing anything, other people did when they attacked him because he was replying to the thread (with his usual bad manners, OK, but nevertheless his replies were on topic).

Anyone who knows me IRL can attest that my mental health is fine, thank you.

[Edited 11/3/16 19:22pm]

Get this straight Data, I don't feud with online characters that I will never meet in my lifetime. Your self-centered paranoia is forcing you to take the position of a victim. However, I will repeat..............YOU are a part of the problem here. You can make all of the empty apologies you want for your petulant elitism and emotional instability. You need to keep in mind that this is a COMMUNITY.

Done.

BartVanHemelen said:

Before adding yet more noise to this thread, READ THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/...lar_music)

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And also https://tuneteams.com/blo...planation/

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And also http://www.digitalmusicne...ublishing/

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And also http://www.soundonsound.c...publishing

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oh hey thanks for this